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December 23, 2019, 02:21:38 PM
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True. It's just frustrating to see people posting accusations from throwaway accounts. If they're certain their accusation is valid, why they need to hide behind new accounts? That's the reason I requested their participation video.
There are many reasons for which one could decide to remain anonymous in these cases, and that's not a bad thing as long as the claims are well done (with verifiable proofs, etc). In my case, I just like my anonimity, that's all. Knowing which is my video won't change anything for this accusation.

Does that mean they should award prizes to a video that is terrible in quality but had followed all the rules or a video that is of extremely high quality but has missed out on couple of points? Doesn't the final decision remain to the contest creators despite of the rules stated?
They should try to follow their own rules as much as possible, otherwise they shouldn't put so many strict rules. There may be a couple of exceptions if the entries are really well done and worth it, but 6 out of 10 entries didn't meet all the rules here, that's a bit too much (and most of the videos of the winners weren't that good anyway to "justify" breaking the rules). There were a couple of entries that were really good and followed all the rules but didn't win, sadly the creators already deleted the videos so I can't show them to you anymore.


Bitcointalk can be quite harsh when it comes to reputations, and I remember a post from theymos a long time ago, in which he says it's better to create an alt-account to speak your mind than not to speak at all if you don't dare post it from your main account.

I haven't checked all contributions, OP's claim is that there were much better entries that didn't win.
But even if that's true, they should have anticipated that by making better rules Wink But that's for next time if they learn from this.
100% agree.


It's the reason i never waste my time in such contests. You can never know how the "Judges" are going to turn out. Best thing to do to prevent such heartbreaks is to avoid contests of that nature. If you try to argue that their selections were not good or unfair, they will always point out to the Terms and Conditions one of which is the famous "Judge's decision is final"
That's true most of the times, sadly. And this one has been the worst case for me by far (and I have participated in many contests).

Although in this case they can't even point out to the Terms and Conditions, as they broke their own rules, lol.
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December 24, 2019, 01:57:32 PM
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I didn't know about this thread or I would've replied sooner. All winners did follow the rule of not abusing the promotion through multi accounting. Everything else were only guidelines as as you'll be able to see in the new Image contest at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212104.msg53425784#msg53425784, there are still no rules as it's mostly guidelines.

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I didn't know about this thread or I would've replied sooner.
I'm a newbie so I can't send PMs here, but I tried to let you know by sending the link to the Bitsler chat, but it was removed without any comment.

All winners did follow the rule of not abusing the promotion through multi accounting. Everything else were only guidelines as as you'll be able to see in the new Image contest at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212104.msg53425784#msg53425784, there are still no rules as it's mostly guidelines.
Guidelines? That sounds like a cheap excuse.

Those were rules clearly, anybody can see that.
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December 24, 2019, 02:20:31 PM
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I didn't know about this thread or I would've replied sooner.
I'm a newbie so I can't send PMs here, but I tried to let you know by sending the link to the Bitsler chat, but it was removed without any comment.

All winners did follow the rule of not abusing the promotion through multi accounting. Everything else were only guidelines as as you'll be able to see in the new Image contest at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212104.msg53425784#msg53425784, there are still no rules as it's mostly guidelines.
Guidelines? That sounds like a cheap excuse.

Those were rules clearly, anybody can see that.
Is this your main account? The account that you entered with?

It's sounds like you can't link me to where it says "rules" anywhere in the post. I'm guessing this is the meat of your message and problem with that contest and it's simply no where to be seen.

I really consider this reputation thread a slam dunk unless if someone has something good to argue like the guidelines weren't good, in which case I would agree and that's why all feedbacks have been added and will be part of any new fandom contests.

Edit: you can get a hold of me on https://twitter.com/isildur___x_x as well so next time new accounts won't be an excuse to post off topic conversation on threads.

Edit: I'm not sure why you keep editing your posts, just make new ones, it's almost like you are trying to answer my replies on previous messages. Not sure why you said you would continue talking here if you are constantly replying to old threads in games and rounds section either and then remove that you said you would reply here.

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December 24, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
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Is this your main account? The account that you entered with?

It's sounds like you can't link me to where it says "rules" anywhere in the post. I'm guessing this is the meat of your message and problem with that contest and it's simply no where to be seen.

I really consider this reputation thread a slam dunk unless if someone has something good to argue like the guidelines weren't good, in which case I would agree and that's why all feedbacks have been added and will be part of any new fandom contests.

Edit: you can get a hold of me on https://twitter.com/isildur___x_x as well so next time new accounts won't be an excuse to post off topic conversation on threads.

Please, check all the posts of this topic, all the rules broken and issues were already discussed.

These are clearly rules. And you just said that winners followed the rule of "not multiaccounting", well the "more than 30 seconds and less than 5 minutes" rule is in the same category of that one, and some winners had more than 5 minutes and less than 30 seconds (that's just one of the cases).
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Important:
- Multi-accounts will be disqualified.
- Video must be posted on Youtube and show public (not unlisted or private)
- Only original content will qualify
- Youtube video must have Bitsler in the title and Gambling + Bitsler username in the description
- Youtube video should not be less than 30 seconds but no longer than 5 minutes
- Must be posted/uploaded within the duration period
- Fan Art should contain Bitsler and Bitcoin if possible

P.S.: I saw that you locked the other topic where I commented this issue to warn others and created a new self-moderated topic. I have no issue with that and I may not comment in the new topic again if you continue the conversation here and stop ignoring the problem.
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December 24, 2019, 02:51:34 PM
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Is this your main account? The account that you entered with?

It's sounds like you can't link me to where it says "rules" anywhere in the post. I'm guessing this is the meat of your message and problem with that contest and it's simply no where to be seen.

I really consider this reputation thread a slam dunk unless if someone has something good to argue like the guidelines weren't good, in which case I would agree and that's why all feedbacks have been added and will be part of any new fandom contests.

Edit: you can get a hold of me on https://twitter.com/isildur___x_x as well so next time new accounts won't be an excuse to post off topic conversation on threads.

Please, check all the posts of this topic, all the rules broken and issues were already discussed.

These are clearly rules. And you just said that winners followed the rule of "not multiaccounting", well the "more than 30 seconds and less than 5 minutes" rule is in the same category of that one, and some winners had more than 5 minutes and less than 30 seconds (that's just one of the cases).
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Important:
- Multi-accounts will be disqualified.
- Video must be posted on Youtube and show public (not unlisted or private)
- Only original content will qualify
- Youtube video must have Bitsler in the title and Gambling + Bitsler username in the description
- Youtube video should not be less than 30 seconds but no longer than 5 minutes
- Must be posted/uploaded within the duration period
- Fan Art should contain Bitsler and Bitcoin if possible

P.S.: I saw that you locked the other topic where I commented this issue to warn others and created a new self-moderated topic. I have no issue with that and I may not comment in the new topic again if you continue the conversation here and stop ignoring the problem.
Okay, those are not rules, those are guidelines and there I marked them as Important only. Users did ask me if they could post longer videos and I said yes as those are only guidelines.

After I saw you do more off topic posts I thought it best because I see you are not keeping with what you said anyways and I don't want to report more off topic posts though I'm always open to answer here or in an on topic thread.

True. It's just frustrating to see people posting accusations from throwaway accounts. If they're certain their accusation is valid, why they need to hide behind new accounts? That's the reason I requested their participation video.
Bitcointalk can be quite harsh when it comes to reputations, and I remember a post from theymos a long time ago, in which he says it's better to create an alt-account to speak your mind than not to speak at all if you don't dare post it from your main account.

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Does that mean they should award prizes to a video that is terrible in quality but had followed all the rules or a video that is of extremely high quality but has missed out on couple of points? Doesn't the final decision remain to the contest creators despite of the rules stated?
I haven't checked all contributions, OP's claim is that there were much better entries that didn't win.
But even if that's true, they should have anticipated that by making better rules Wink But that's for next time if they learn from this.
I'll ask you the same thing I asked OP, what rules are you referring to and please don't say the contents that fell under Important or some other type of assumptions either. I was in charge of this contest, not Bitsler so all reputation or accusations are to me directly.

It's the reason i never waste my time in such contests. You can never know how the "Judges" are going to turn out. Best thing to do to prevent such heartbreaks is to avoid contests of that nature. If you try to argue that their selections were not good or unfair, they will always point out to the Terms and Conditions one of which is the famous "Judge's decision is final"
Actually the opposite, OP is the one pointing what he/she perceives to be as rules and I never did but rather I will take all feedback into account as we have on the contest that followed this one.

Looks like you're butthurt because you didn't win. What are you going on about? Did you participate in the contest? Can you show us your video?
I don't think any of this is relevant to this accusation.

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Regardless of whatever the contest rules are, it's really upto the contest owners to determine the winners. BitSler's team isn't one of those shady sites that will participate in the contest with their own accounts for a few BTC's. Maybe they didn't follow the rules, maybe they used the template but at the end of the day, if it pleases the team, it's upto them how they distribute the prizes.
I'm with OP on this one. A contest is meant to get good publicity, and especially if it's held by a reputable site, I would expect them to follow their own rules to the letter (or at least as much as possible).

At the end of the day, they are the sponsors of the contest, so they have the choice to pick whichever entry they felt pleased them... You can't do anything about that.
You can't get them to change it afterwards, but you can call them out like OP did.

Of course not everybody wins, but I don't think that's the point here.

Note: I didn't really follow the contest, I didn't join, and I'm not into making FanArt. But when I see a contest, I do like it when it follows it's own rules, and a quick check shows that winner 7 had a 14 seconds video (less than half of what's required).
* LoyceV has ran several contests in the past and likes strict rules. That makes it clear for all participants.
These contests aren't for publicity as we know they won't get much traction.

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P.S.: I saw that you locked the other topic where I commented this issue to warn others and created a new self-moderated topic. I have no issue with that and I may not comment in the new topic again if you continue the conversation here and stop ignoring the problem.
You've been editing this part of your past message over and over again. You said this and then went and posted in an old thread again long after I answered you here.

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