slavery always was the condition of 99%+ of the worlds society and even elites

[BADecker]

Slavery started as a voluntary thing that people did. Adam and Eve listened to the Serpent and ate the fruit, after God had told them that they would die if they ate. They volunteered themselves into slavery to the Devil and to death. We, having their genes passed down to all people, haven't figured out how to back ourselves out of the death slavery, yet.

being a slave to god is then a good thing? or for egalitarian atheists being a slave to the infrastructure or central bank (commuinism) is a good thing?
shall we return to slavery then? the problem is as soon as there is a major power using slavery that is not racially defined, everyone anytime in the world could get caught and get enslaved by criminals

Being a slave to God is good. Why? Because, Galatians 5:1:

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

In other words, God set us free in Christ and His work of salvation that He did on the cross. Become a Christian by believing this, and never stop believing it, so that you don't burden yourself by a yoke of slavery again.

Of course, if your freedom is in slavery to death and destruction...

[franky1]

badecker is at it again...
funny part is he thinks religions sets people free

he doesnt realise more deaths are attributed to religion than anything

its religious people that consider people evil if they dont go to a certain location on a sunday. or if they love someone they are not married to or if... the list goes on

just because laws means your not free to walk into a school and shoot kids, does not mean your a slave.
just because you think your faith makes it ok to massacre many does not make you free

until you can actually understand the true plain meaning of freedom and slavery. you ill be stuck digging at a hole you cant escape.

badecker, your own ignorance is your prison

[KingScorpio]

Slavery started as a voluntary thing that people did. Adam and Eve listened to the Serpent and ate the fruit, after God had told them that they would die if they ate. They volunteered themselves into slavery to the Devil and to death. We, having their genes passed down to all people, haven't figured out how to back ourselves out of the death slavery, yet.

being a slave to god is then a good thing? or for egalitarian atheists being a slave to the infrastructure or central bank (commuinism) is a good thing?
shall we return to slavery then? the problem is as soon as there is a major power using slavery that is not racially defined, everyone anytime in the world could get caught and get enslaved by criminals

Being a slave to God is good. Why? Because, Galatians 5:1:

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

In other words, God set us free in Christ and His work of salvation that He did on the cross. Become a Christian by believing this, and never stop believing it, so that you don't burden yourself by a yoke of slavery again.

Of course, if your freedom is in slavery to death and destruction...

sadly once christians conquered rome and installed the papacy they started a new imperialism, and to run that economy they then tolerated slavery.

[BADecker]

Slavery started as a voluntary thing that people did. Adam and Eve listened to the Serpent and ate the fruit, after God had told them that they would die if they ate. They volunteered themselves into slavery to the Devil and to death. We, having their genes passed down to all people, haven't figured out how to back ourselves out of the death slavery, yet.

being a slave to god is then a good thing? or for egalitarian atheists being a slave to the infrastructure or central bank (commuinism) is a good thing?
shall we return to slavery then? the problem is as soon as there is a major power using slavery that is not racially defined, everyone anytime in the world could get caught and get enslaved by criminals

Being a slave to God is good. Why? Because, Galatians 5:1:

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

In other words, God set us free in Christ and His work of salvation that He did on the cross. Become a Christian by believing this, and never stop believing it, so that you don't burden yourself by a yoke of slavery again.

Of course, if your freedom is in slavery to death and destruction...

sadly once christians conquered rome and installed the papacy they started a new imperialism, and to run that economy they then tolerated slavery.

Sadly!

Martin Luther wasn't trying to break away from the Church. He was trying to reform it. But the Church kicked him out. Why? Because He had found the thing that the Church was trying to hide... Jesus salvation, and freedom through it. He didn't even realize that the Church was a slave installation until later.

How about you? Are you going to get free? Or are you going to remain a slave?

[KingScorpio]

Slavery started as a voluntary thing that people did. Adam and Eve listened to the Serpent and ate the fruit, after God had told them that they would die if they ate. They volunteered themselves into slavery to the Devil and to death. We, having their genes passed down to all people, haven't figured out how to back ourselves out of the death slavery, yet.

being a slave to god is then a good thing? or for egalitarian atheists being a slave to the infrastructure or central bank (commuinism) is a good thing?
shall we return to slavery then? the problem is as soon as there is a major power using slavery that is not racially defined, everyone anytime in the world could get caught and get enslaved by criminals

Being a slave to God is good. Why? Because, Galatians 5:1:

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

In other words, God set us free in Christ and His work of salvation that He did on the cross. Become a Christian by believing this, and never stop believing it, so that you don't burden yourself by a yoke of slavery again.

Of course, if your freedom is in slavery to death and destruction...

sadly once christians conquered rome and installed the papacy they started a new imperialism, and to run that economy they then tolerated slavery.

Sadly!

Martin Luther wasn't trying to break away from the Church. He was trying to reform it. But the Church kicked him out. Why? Because He had found the thing that the Church was trying to hide... Jesus salvation, and freedom through it. He didn't even realize that the Church was a slave installation until later.

How about you? Are you going to get free? Or are you going to remain a slave?

there is no absloute freedom, in true sence, look at the islamic state in the middle east it is similar like christianity a protest movement against the established forces (chrsitians-roman state) -> (isis - us run world order)
olthough islam says serve no one but good, the muslims do solidarise with each other, in the face of nonmuslim banking cartel running a region.

once an islamist revolution stops existing it becomes a slavery style brainwashing society like what islam has always been, massively racist/xenophobic etc.

[franky1]

forget religion or governments.
even in a non-governing non religious deserted island there is not freedom

you still got to go out and find food. you gotta chop down branches to make planks to make a raft.
you still have to live by the rules of stay out of the sun to avoid heat stroke. make a fire at night to avoid the cold. eat to survive hunger and drink to survive dehydration.
you dont have the freedom to watch superbowl/sports anytime you wish. because there is no tv on a deserted island.
you cant just drive around and go to the store and buy things when you wish.. because there is no store no car.


yes some elitists think they are more freer because they dont even see the customers they are ceo of who are putting funds into the company.. they have accountants so they dont see the bank balance. they have vice presidents that oversee the main running over the company so they dont have to do anything.. and when they get home by the chauffeur driving them and then the maid cooking them food. the elitist feels they are more free because they do not feel the efforts involved in supplying them their needs.

but that does not mean they are free. and it does not mean the poor are less free.
but to even try to think that modern days working class are 'slaves' just shows how idiotic the misunderstanding the OP has about what a slave really is

[BADecker]

there is no absloute freedom, in true sence, look at the islamic state in the middle east it is similar like christianity a protest movement against the established forces (chrsitians-roman state) -> (isis - us run world order)
olthough islam says serve no one but good, the muslims do solidarise with each other, in the face of nonmuslim banking cartel running a region.

once an islamist revolution stops existing it becomes a slavery style brainwashing society like what islam has always been, massively racist/xenophobic etc.

You are missing the point. The point is beyond this life. Everybody who makes mistakes in this life, is a slave to the mistakes he makes. The culmination of these mistakes is death.

Jesus-salvation delivers from death. The deliverance will exist through the resurrection, into the new universe. Since nobody knows what the new universe will be like, we can only have faith that it will be for freedom, as Jesus and His prophets teach.

[coins4commies]

no form of race-based chattel slavery ever existed like it did in the US.  There have been many instances of slavery but none nearly as horrific and persistent as the one that took place here.  With that said, African Americans recovered from slavery and were repressed again in the early part of the 20th century.  I'd say those events alone warrant reparations. 

I'll spare you a history lesson but there was a time shortly after reconstruction where blacks had taken control of most local governments in the South and midwest via democratic demographics, skilled labor, and sheer numbers.   Many had began to amass tons of capital.  This led to the formation of Jim crow, the KKK, and events like the Tulsa riots were carried out across the country.  There were essentially  several decades of Kristallnacht.

[KingScorpio]

there is no absloute freedom, in true sence, look at the islamic state in the middle east it is similar like christianity a protest movement against the established forces (chrsitians-roman state) -> (isis - us run world order)
olthough islam says serve no one but good, the muslims do solidarise with each other, in the face of nonmuslim banking cartel running a region.

once an islamist revolution stops existing it becomes a slavery style brainwashing society like what islam has always been, massively racist/xenophobic etc.

You are missing the point. The point is beyond this life. Everybody who makes mistakes in this life, is a slave to the mistakes he makes. The culmination of these mistakes is death.

Jesus-salvation delivers from death. The deliverance will exist through the resurrection, into the new universe. Since nobody knows what the new universe will be like, we can only have faith that it will be for freedom, as Jesus and His prophets teach.

beyond this life? ok then why forcing your belief system on people who don't want to have something to do with it, or want to have a differen't religion, like a communist religion etc.

why be violent and kill + enslave innocent people who don't want to be part of your religous maniacism?

zergish style islamic society doesn't look attractive for a lot of people including many muslim women living in it, that then betrays their chaliph because they knew all islam seeks is to use women like cattle,

[KingScorpio]

no form of race-based chattel slavery ever existed like it did in the US.  There have been many instances of slavery but none nearly as horrific and persistent as the one that took place here.  With that said, African Americans recovered from slavery and were repressed again in the early part of the 20th century.  I'd say those events alone warrant reparations. 

I'll spare you a history lesson but there was a time shortly after reconstruction where blacks had taken control of most local governments in the South and midwest via democratic demographics, skilled labor, and sheer numbers.   Many had began to amass tons of capital.  This led to the formation of Jim crow, the KKK, and events like the Tulsa riots were carried out across the country.  There were essentially  several decades of Kristallnacht.

us-leadership clearly states that only god can give someone human rights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4mWPwjrfo

most americans are salary slaves, slavery was historically always in some sence skincolor or nationality based.

the arabs enslaved the persians once they conquered them, people have defended themselves from foreign powers for good reasons.

slavery will always exist, same like powerful and powerless people always existed.

it never was historically about putting the good guy into power it always was about preventing the powerful to do what they can.

regards

[merchantofzeny]

Way to start the year! 

We can argue that the rat race these days is similar to slavery but I personally think it's more similar to serfdom. You have rights (albeit not much) and you can buy off your freedom OR you can flee.

A medieval serf can flee to a town and stay there for a year and a day and he's free. A modern salaryman can cut his expenses for a few years and leave the rat race to be more financially independent. The modern man have a bit more options.

[KingScorpio]

Way to start the year! 

We can argue that the rat race these days is similar to slavery but I personally think it's more similar to serfdom. You have rights (albeit not much) and you can buy off your freedom OR you can flee.

A medieval serf can flee to a town and stay there for a year and a day and he's free. A modern salaryman can cut his expenses for a few years and leave the rat race to be more financially independent. The modern man have a bit more options.

serfdoom is same like slavery, in my oppinion west should return to religion, because atheism makes people claiming something pointless you can't trust the statements of anyone anymore, and people are becoming unable to communicate.

[franky1]

serfdoom is same like slavery,

(facepalm)
seems you have no clue what either actually mean

also you re not forced to be a serf. you can quit your job and find another. you can move house. you can do as you please.

slavery is about actual harm being dealt. you know physical injury. where you are a true prisoner. not a metaphoric prisoner

by the way if you are a true religious guy. i am ashamed that you even consider the atrocities of 2000 years ago being compared to being an uber driver today..
they do not compare in the slightest

[KingScorpio]

serfdoom is same like slavery,

(facepalm)
seems you have no clue what either actually mean

also you re not forced to be a serf. you can quit your job and find another. you can move house. you can do as you please.

slavery is about actual harm being dealt. you know physical injury. where you are a true prisoner. not a metaphoric prisoner

by the way if you are a true religious guy. i am ashamed that you even consider the atrocities of 2000 years ago being compared to being an uber driver today..
they do not compare in the slightest

you can't quit a job like you want with a job you are building your life, only billionaires could do that, not those dependent to financially survive

[franky1]

you can't quit a job like you want with a job you are building your life, only billionaires could do that, not those dependent to financially survive

im starting to get the feeling that maybe you dont even have a job and you are actually trying to find excuses of why you want to perceive jobs as being slavery as some illogical moral reason to not go find one.

you know. thinking that working in mcdonalds or shelf stacking in a grocery store or being an uber driver is beneath some ethical line you have drawn for yourself. so you have pretty much imprisoned yourself(yes you imprisoned yourself) by limiting your own options

no one is holding a gun to your head saying you should work at mcdonalds. but with the same respect no one is holding  gun to your head saying you shouldnt work at mcdonalds.

only YOU have made the opinion that a job is slavery, because YOU have become a prisoner of your own prison

[BADecker]

you can't quit a job like you want with a job you are building your life, only billionaires could do that, not those dependent to financially survive

im starting to get the feeling that maybe you dont even have a job and you are actually trying to find excuses of why you want to perceive jobs as being slavery as some illogical moral reason to not go find one.

you know. thinking that working in mcdonalds or shelf stacking in a grocery store or being an uber driver is beneath some ethical line you have drawn for yourself. so you have pretty much imprisoned yourself(yes you imprisoned yourself) by limiting your own options

no one is holding a gun to your head saying you should work at mcdonalds. but with the same respect no one is holding  gun to your head saying you shouldnt work at mcdonalds.

only YOU have made the opinion that a job is slavery, because YOU have become a prisoner of your own prison

Besides, if he falls off a ladder and breaks both legs, he just might lose his job. But he DOES lose it temporarily during the time his legs are being healed.

[KingScorpio]

you can't quit a job like you want with a job you are building your life, only billionaires could do that, not those dependent to financially survive

im starting to get the feeling that maybe you dont even have a job and you are actually trying to find excuses of why you want to perceive jobs as being slavery as some illogical moral reason to not go find one.

you know. thinking that working in mcdonalds or shelf stacking in a grocery store or being an uber driver is beneath some ethical line you have drawn for yourself. so you have pretty much imprisoned yourself(yes you imprisoned yourself) by limiting your own options

no one is holding a gun to your head saying you should work at mcdonalds. but with the same respect no one is holding  gun to your head saying you shouldnt work at mcdonalds.

only YOU have made the opinion that a job is slavery, because YOU have become a prisoner of your own prison

why is plantagion slavery then illegal and salary slavery ok?

for me they look quite similar, alternative would be communism in which everyone is a drone with a function, well capitalism might very well backfire due to the corruption in the republics financial centers

[franky1]

why is plantagion slavery then illegal and salary slavery ok?

for me they look quite similar, alternative would be communism in which everyone is a drone with a function, well capitalism might very well backfire due to the corruption in the republics financial centers

salary slavery= doing work to have money to actually do things with. to have choices of what to do with it
plantation slavery= not able to do things. all you have is food and daily punishment. and then still having to do work

.. so heres a question now that i have figured out that you are unemployed.
you are obviously receiving state social security.

have you even bothered to do the math of how much SS you get and how many hours of getting out of your house at $10 an hour that equates to.

i guarantee you it is no were near 40-80 hours
most social SS equate to about under 30 hours.

if you really think that doing something for just 8 hours a day 3-4 days a week is considered slavery. then you really have some issues you need to really sort out about your concepts of slavery

its becoming more and more apparent that you seem to be what is defined as a 'momma's boy' where you think people need to serve you and be slaves to you so that you dont have to do anything for yourself independantly.

you know. you think its your right to be paid to live and be lazy and not contribute to society
but here is the funny thing.
if everyone had your mindset. you would be living in a caveman era where all you do is hibernate in a cave starving to death where you do nothing for yourself and no one does anything for you. you end up dying alone
maybe you would actually prefer that lifestyle

[BADecker]

why is plantagion slavery then illegal and salary slavery ok?

Doesn't "plantagion" have to do with botany?     

[BADecker]

.. so heres a question now that i have figured out that you are unemployed.
you are obviously receiving state social security.

Poor little franky1. Remains a slave of his fear of reproach. Can't simply have a conversation without picking on the personal life of other people.