Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy

[Steamtyme]

what was the range you put him on when you called the river?

This is tough to answer. Mostly because it was the BB, I had a hard time coming up with a range, so it was more a process of elimination.
I sort of lumped in what could they have that beat me, and bets OOP. Maybe 44, nothing else made sense to lead with imo. I say this because if I hit either broadway card I'm going to continue so it could have been their way of ensuring the pot got bigger.
Then I looked at almost all suited clubs 45+, 9J+, AJ and below - The others I think 3-bet
Briefly I did wonder if they were attempting to value or bluff a pocket pair or combos of KQ.

Overall it was a weird hand. The board has 2 straight draws that could have gotten there. I leaned heavily on the fact that this was the BB, and that them leading out for 3 streets was just off. So either they were bluffing, or they flopped the nuts - I didn't see another option, with the line they took. So in the end my Ace and my Rag in hand I chose to battle.

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[Steamtyme]

Wow didn't realize it had been this long, crazy few months. I have one of those spots with second pair and the board pairs the top pair(possible trips), I had more equity than usual but think these are fun tough spots to figure out; unlike guessing top pair against flopped set  . Second hand is a bit of a classic, strong pair flopping an overcard, facing pressure.

Hand#1 is near the bubble, Big stack is the BTN, and has nearly double anyone else at the table.

Hand#1 Level 24 (1750.00/3500.00) ante 420 9 seated Seat 3: Villain-2 BTN   (244887.00) Seat 4: Hero SB         (56784.00) Seat 5: Villain-3 BB    (48250.00) Seat 8: Villain-1 UTG+2 (82545.00) *** HOLE CARDS *** Villain-1 UTG+2 raises to 8750.00 Villain-2 BTN calls 8750.00 Hero SB calls 7000.00  - [Th 9h] Villain-3 BB calls 5250.00 *** FLOP *** [Jh 6h Tc] Main pot 38780.00               Checksthrough to BTN Villain-2 BTN raises to 19390.00

Hand#2 Level 11 (300.00/600.00) ante 72 9 seated Seat 5: Villain HJ (26013.00) Seat 9: Hero SB (19112.00) *** HOLE CARDS *** Villain raises to 1500.00 Hero SB [Qh Qc] raises to 4560.00 Villain calls 3060.00 *** FLOP *** [3s Kd 4d] Main pot 10296.00 Action checks through seems standard on my part, thoughts?? *** TURN *** [3s Kd 4d] [6s] Main pot 10296.00

Side note. I've shifted my focus more to playing on SWC for a bit, so I might start bringing in more images.
Something to potentially look forward to. I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for a few of the series tournaments on SWC this week. Last night I won a Big BTC 500chip satty for this Sunday. This was nice, as I previously bubbled like 3 of these at varying buy-ins essentially I likely could have entered twice by the time I was done losing all my attempts lol.
I do have to get better at reading the prize description though, I just saw Big BTC and assumed it would be a saved ticket, nah it was specific for this Sunday, then I remembered it's Thanksgiving lol, us damn Canadians. Either way we should be eating early and I've been home all week  so I think I'll be okay. I'm probably going to keep trying to target satellites for 5K(chips obviously lol) plus entries, that or attempt to sell some action never done that before but we'll see.

[arallmuus]

Level 11 (300.00/600.00) ante 72
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Action checks through seems standard on my part, thoughts??

*** TURN *** [3s Kd 4d] [6s] Main pot 10296.00

I would raise again before the turn card. Hero raised to 4560 kinda signals that he has a good hand so a check on the Flop would be weird and with a K on the board, it is better to raise at this point.

If Villain have a K and he would most likely call, that would be the signal to slow down on the turn. Villain could probably also have combination Ace with some low cards and aim for straight. Villain would most likely check on turn if he has the flush draw or straight draw but would be aggresive if he has K on his hand


Atleast this is what I would do

[figmentofmyass]

Hand#1

any other reads on the big stack?

sometimes i like to raise out there......good equity, enough chips behind that you can opt to fold to a 3bet. as played, i like a CRAI but hey, i've been feeling splashy lately. can't tell if the big stack is just betting into weakness or actually has a hand, so fold equity is a tossup.

Hand #2
Action checks through seems standard on my part, thoughts??

stack size makes postflop action tough here. i prefer a cbet on the flop (tough because you're almost stuck between donk betting and shoving) but like i said, been feeling splashy.

I do have to get better at reading the prize description though, I just saw Big BTC and assumed it would be a saved ticket, nah it was specific for this Sunday, then I remembered it's Thanksgiving lol, us damn Canadians.

damn, another shitty change from SwC? satellite won tickets used to be good for like 2 years......

[Globb0]

I do have to get better at reading the prize description though, I just saw Big BTC and assumed it would be a saved ticket, nah it was specific for this Sunday, then I remembered it's Thanksgiving lol, us damn Canadians.

damn, another shitty change from SwC? satellite won tickets used to be good for like 2 years......

I just logged in and checked and mine is valid until 2022, was it a big btc ticket or a ticket to the big btc satellite?

[Steamtyme]

damn, another shitty change from SwC? satellite won tickets used to be good for like 2 years......

I just logged in and checked and mine is valid until 2022, was it a big btc ticket or a ticket to the big btc satellite?

No this was just my dumbass. I got so used to entering these satellites that I didn't bother to read the full prize description or title for that matter. Not a big deal it runs a bit latter than we were planning to eat, and it's just us at home this year no big gathering.

Funny little update busted my first bullet in the opening event tonight with my AA, against 33, they flopped a set and jammed  my raise on the turn when a K came off. No way I was folding, unfortunately. Second bullet not so hot but lots of time yet.

I would raise again before the turn card. Hero raised to 4560 kinda signals that he has a good hand so a check on the Flop would be weird and with a K on the board, it is better to raise at this point. ~snipped~
Atleast this is what I would do

Makes sense and seems like a solid gameplan so You'd go Bet,Chk,Bet, or Bet,Chk,Chk - What aggression from the Villain makes you fold this hand? Them betting the turn? or betting/raising the river??
I generally prefer to lead out in these spots as a bluff, or made hand with top pair/flopped set type hand to see where I'm at. Like you said there can be a lot of Ax, or draws that will fold out. Having been the preflop 3-better I don't think it's strange for me to lead out with a bet, but can sometimes scare people off the hands I can beat.

stack size makes postflop action tough here. i prefer a cbet on the flop (tough because you're almost stuck between donk betting and shoving) but like i said, been feeling splashy.

I definitely felt like I had to be more conscious with my chips given the size of the pot at this point. I am really concerned about this new Splashy behavior I'm hearing about, who is this guy   - If not for the K, A jam isn't bad - I know I've fallen for it with top pair if say a J was on the board.

Overall I figured this street I might lose value from a flush draw on 1 street, and could be giving them a free card to try and complete. I figured I would also get decent information from them if they just CHK back the flop - How could they not stab at that fat pot with all of their Kx. Given stack sizes there should still be plenty of time to get all the money in on favorable turns and rivers.

Hand#1

any other reads on the big stack?
sometimes i like to raise out there......good equity, enough chips behind that you can opt to fold to a 3bet. as played, i like a CRAI but hey, i've been feeling splashy lately. can't tell if the big stack is just betting into weakness or actually has a hand, so fold equity is a tossup.

It was clear they were using their stack to put pressure on people around the Bubble. So I don't really have them on a made hand. One thing was that I had seen them call down fairly light in the past, and I'm not sure if my stack falls into that category.
Lol who is this splashy dude, really gonna mix up the series when you make it back in.
I elect to flat call the raise, only because it's the bubble. Not great but I would still have an 8BB stack or so to make the money and Jam a strong hand pre. They may also feel like things are getting trappy and pump the breaks; could just be wishful thinking.

Hand#1 *** TURN *** [Jh 6h Tc] [Js]   Main pot 77560.00 Hero jams all-in 28224.00 Villain folds

Hand#2 *** TURN *** [3s Kd 4d] [6s] Main pot 10296.00 Hero bets 2574.00 Villain calls 2574.00

[figmentofmyass]

Hand#2
*** TURN *** [3s Kd 4d] [6s] Main pot 10296.00
Hero bets 2574.00
Villain calls 2574.00

the problem with that weak delayed cbet is that your only move now is to shove the river, and the villain likely feels pot committed if he has a made hand. that's why stack sizes made this one so tough.

i'm curious to see how this one turned out.

[Mauser]

Hand#2
*** TURN *** [3s Kd 4d] [6s] Main pot 10296.00
Hero bets 2574.00
Villain calls 2574.00

the problem with that weak delayed cbet is that your only move now is to shove the river, and the villain likely feels pot committed if he has a made hand. that's why stack sizes made this one so tough.

i'm curious to see how this one turned out.

I agree, when betting 25% pot you kind of invite a lot of people to call. When being the pre flop raisers an continuation bet is standard these days. And bluffing on the turn or river should be much larger in my opinion. Bet sizing became such an important tool in the last years.

[arallmuus]

I would raise again before the turn card. Hero raised to 4560 kinda signals that he has a good hand so a check on the Flop would be weird and with a K on the board, it is better to raise at this point. ~snipped~
Atleast this is what I would do

Makes sense and seems like a solid gameplan so You'd go Bet,Chk,Bet, or Bet,Chk,Chk - What aggression from the Villain makes you fold this hand? Them betting the turn? or betting/raising the river??
I generally prefer to lead out in these spots as a bluff, or made hand with top pair/flopped set type hand to see where I'm at. Like you said there can be a lot of Ax, or draws that will fold out. Having been the preflop 3-better I don't think it's strange for me to lead out with a bet, but can sometimes scare people off the hands I can beat.

I will go will bet, bet , check for this if there is no Ace on the river as Villain might have combination of AK on his hands. If Villain has K on his hands , he might be trying to size up the pot on the turn so anything between 50% pot would be an alert for me but if he checks then I will be betting on turn , probably fold on the river if he try to bet.

I'd also like to take the initiative to bet/raise rather than calling those bets because sometimes it could be perceived as we are having the stronger hands

The thing is, Its kinda hard to really know whats the best gameplay in this situation because it also depends on where you play but atleast this is what I would do

This #6 BPC 50k guaranteed was probably my first if not second time playing on some tournaments on swc and as far as I can tell, its pretty much all in or fold in after we passed the late registration so yeah all that gameplay above wont matter 

[Steamtyme]

Hand#2
*** TURN *** [3s Kd 4d] [6s] Main pot 10296.00
Hero bets 2574.00
Villain calls 2574.00

the problem with that weak delayed cbet is that your only move now is to shove the river, and the villain likely feels pot committed if he has a made hand. that's why stack sizes made this one so tough.
i'm curious to see how this one turned out.

I agree, when betting 25% pot you kind of invite a lot of people to call. When being the pre flop raisers an continuation bet is standard these days. And bluffing on the turn or river should be much larger in my opinion. Bet sizing became such an important tool in the last years.

You both make a good point. In the moment it was to feel things out. I figured if they had the K, or something like AA they were going to raise it up, if they flat they might just be drawing, could have also got some A high to just fold out or even weaker draws. I hate the spot in general but decided if the River was clean I was CHK calling.

I will go will bet, bet , check for this if there is no Ace on the river as Villain might have combination of AK on his hands. If Villain has K on his hands , he might be trying to size up the pot on the turn so anything between 50% pot would be an alert for me but if he checks then I will be betting on turn , probably fold on the river if he try to bet.

Some of that doesn't work out with me being out of position. I understand keeping up the aggression from my 3-bet though.
Yeah the SWC tournaments have not been kind to me. Hoping to turn things around but I'm 0 for 5 now, even lost heads-up for a ticket into tonights 5K, had a 4-1 chiplead but had such garbage cards I couldn't flex much. Every time I had something worth it they would fold out, Lost a bunch of flips with decent suited connectors against random Ax. Disheartening to say the least. Either way see how today finishes up and gear up for the Big BTC tomorrow night; still got my golden ticket lol

*** RIVER *** [3s Kd 4d 6s] [Jh] Main pot 15444.00
Hero checks
Villain bets 15444.00
Hero calls 11906.00 and is all-in
Villain shows [Tc 7c]


I am curious about peoples thoughts on my turn shove in hand 1. These are the sorts of hands I've been trying to gather more of, when I have 2nd pair and the board pairs the top pair card. To me then I start to think they either had an overpair and focus on the pre-flop or that my 2nd pair might be good.
 

[Globb0]

Here's an interesting beat.

I see it all to often, while I wonder why are you even in with a 9 6 off suit.

I definitely mark these players as goes all in with stupid hands, even if they do end up beating AA

[arallmuus]

Here's an interesting beat.

I see it all to often, while I wonder why are you even in with a 9 6 off suit.

I definitely mark these players as goes all in with stupid hands, even if they do end up beating AA

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Is this bounty tournament? People tend to be more aggresive on bounty tournament because of those bounty which is also why I hate bounty tournament especially if it is a low buy in bounty tournament. People just keep splashing those stack with silly hands when they smell blood, Its more like playing All in or Fold instead of normal poker 

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I am curious about peoples thoughts on my turn shove in hand 1. These are the sorts of hands I've been trying to gather more of, when I have 2nd pair and the board pairs the top pair card. To me then I start to think they either had an overpair and focus on the pre-flop or that my 2nd pair might be good.
 

It was a tough call on that spot but I would have probably going with the same decision because Villain might have hit the J on the river then decided to go for that high bet

[figmentofmyass]

I am curious about peoples thoughts on my turn shove in hand 1. These are the sorts of hands I've been trying to gather more of, when I have 2nd pair and the board pairs the top pair card. To me then I start to think they either had an overpair and focus on the pre-flop or that my 2nd pair might be good.

i like it. the flop bet doesn't necessarily scream top pair to me; could easily be a steal attempt. and the J turn makes it even less likely that he flopped top pair. and we're drawing to the flush---you know how i like my semi-bluffs.

[Steamtyme]

Here's an interesting beat.
I see it all to often, while I wonder why are you even in with a 9 6 off suit.
I definitely mark these players as goes all in with stupid hands, even if they do end up beating AA

Rightly so. You'll find at the microstakes there are going to be a lot more of these WTF plays. There are people there who've never played a hand of poker in their life, or who couldn't care less abou tthe game and treat it like a slot machine clicking buttons 

That being said what were the stacksizes for the players with KK, at a certain point in a bounty if your stack size is healthy enough you will call down with almost any 2 if smaller stacks shove into you. The reason being the value of the pot with the added bounty puts you into gamble territory.

So after a very disheartening Friday/Saturday grind I eeked out some sunshine on Sunday I took down the Little BTC which was a nice ego boost after all the busted bullets---- it was really starting to look like a scene out of Hotshots part deux

Then with my Big BTC ticket in hand I rallied and after about 2 hours was in the top 5, held there until about 20-30 folks left then started to slide - My stack was at it's largest 53K, and folded out almost everything from 25, down to 9 where I finished; out of the money 7 cashed. I had one chance for a possible 3-bet but they had me covered and I was going to be playing OOP as the small blind. AJ suited facing LJ I believe.

Unlike most tournaments I don't remember a lot of spots that I could have played differently, the one mentioned above is about the only one that sticks out. I folded to a flop bet, with no diamonds on the board and it being 8,9,5 2 spades.

I grabbed a ton of screencaps of me losing flips or getting sucked out on so I may group them together and share in the next couple of days. I did manage to win with AA twice I think, because everyone folded pre  , Ran my KK into AA a few times, so gross. That's the problem with taking shots though, the bad side of variance can kill your action quickly.

[figmentofmyass]

So after a very disheartening Friday/Saturday grind I eeked out some sunshine on Sunday I took down the Little BTC which was a nice ego boost after all the busted bullets---- it was really starting to look like a scene out of Hotshots part deux

boom, nice!

Then with my Big BTC ticket in hand I rallied and after about 2 hours was in the top 5, held there until about 20-30 folks left then started to slide - My stack was at it's largest 53K, and folded out almost everything from 25, down to 9 where I finished; out of the money 7 cashed. I had one chance for a possible 3-bet but they had me covered and I was going to be playing OOP as the small blind. AJ suited facing LJ I believe.

Unlike most tournaments I don't remember a lot of spots that I could have played differently, the one mentioned above is about the only one that sticks out. I folded to a flop bet, with no diamonds on the board and it being 8,9,5 2 spades.

I grabbed a ton of screencaps of me losing flips or getting sucked out on so I may group them together and share in the next couple of days. I did manage to win with AA twice I think, because everyone folded pre  , Ran my KK into AA a few times, so gross. That's the problem with taking shots though, the bad side of variance can kill your action quickly.

feel free to share---always happy to see some hands, particularly on those SwC sunday tourneys. i'm super busy these days but i wanna grind some of those when i finally get some free time again.

what hand did you go out on? standard short stack play and just couldn't hang on past the bubble?

[arallmuus]

i'm super busy these days but i wanna grind some of those when i finally get some free time again.

You are busy lately, I hope things are great on your end !

feel free to share---
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what hand did you go out on? standard short stack play and just couldn't hang on past the bubble?

Steamtyme shared it on the bitcointalk's poker thread, he probably got confused about which thread to share it on

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271735.msg55373498#msg55373498

It was really nasty hands. Whenever he has Aces, someone hit a set . Whenever he got Kings, someone has Aces and such. Lots of brutal hands , you might just want to check it over

Getting pocket pair and shove is pretty much like coin flip, I have lose alot of hands like that as well. My aces got cracked one time against 23 suited, he nailed flush and I lose . Sometimes there is this slight itchy feelings before you click on that all in button , kinda telling you that your hands might lose but yeah cant really fold Aces or Kings especially when you need to increase your stack

[Steamtyme]

feel free to share---always happy to see some hands, particularly on those SwC sunday tourneys. i'm super busy these days but i wanna grind some of those when i finally get some free time again.

what hand did you go out on? standard short stack play and just couldn't hang on past the bubble?

Yeah, it was pretty gross just sitting there waiting. Definitely not my strong suit, but nothing to be done about it. For the longest time I had the chip leader to my left , and anything that might have come close to a Jam, was taken out of the mix by EP, or MP action.

The upside was it gave me a lot of chances to consider what the bottom of my shoving range would be from about 18BB - 4BB  . Thinking back I did try and mix into one pot. I was BB and there was an EP minraise and MP flat. I can't remember if it was 2 low suited connectors or gappers but. It was around 10 or 11 BB so not enough for me to shove but I figured was worth the1 BB price in hopes I hit the magic.

In the end I flicked it in against MP jam 7th or 8th position, I was in SB and it folded around to me. I called my 3 or 4 BB with KT of hearts. They show 77, and I'm live but can't get there and they hold.
I don't think I could have folded into the money, though at this point it was pretty much a coin toss as to whether calling down was worth it. 7 and 8 I think both had 10+ BB so even if I doubled I would be behind, and no one was really mixing it up to much.

Steamtyme shared it on the bitcointalk's poker thread, he probably got confused about which thread to share it on
Getting pocket pair and shove is pretty much like coin flip, I have lose alot of hands like that as well. My aces got cracked one time against 23 suited, he nailed flush and I lose .

Yeah it was gross. I shared it there as me and efialitis were licking our wounds from the Poker Gods. I didn't see much actual play discussion that could come from them, apart from my pity party lol
My worst AA story was an ACR 20$ tourney I got 3-bet rather big by BB early on so I 4-bet and they instajam. I call they show 24 of diamonds, I flop a set and they run out a 5 high straight. 

Good times
Onwards and upwards. I finally ticked the box to save hands from SWC so I'll do my best to keep bringing interesting spots here. I did review my pre flop RTA sheets lol, and surprisingly I'm overfolding lately in quite a few MP spots, I've still been defending my SB to much but am getting better. Going to try and put in some solid time to study and review, but I believe I plugged one of my biggest leaks.

Effective stacks of 15-22 BB, Villain opens or flats - and Raises or CHK raises pot+ or All-in - I had been getting burned here a lot with top pair holdings. Often losing to an overpair, or flopped set. Rarely has it been a drawing hand or anything I was ahead of.

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It was really nasty hands. Whenever he has Aces, someone hit a set . Whenever he got Kings, someone has Aces and such. Lots of brutal hands , you might just want to check it over

Getting pocket pair and shove is pretty much like coin flip, I have lose alot of hands like that as well. My aces got cracked one time against 23 suited, he nailed flush and I lose . Sometimes there is this slight itchy feelings before you click on that all in button , kinda telling you that your hands might lose but yeah cant really fold Aces or Kings especially when you need to increase your stack

indeed it is possible in some poker gambling places and others that use their card game the gambling owner has a bot or script system that can trigger the opponent to make big bets but cannot guarantee that he can win, there are often losses at poker gambling places like this , so I think I still have to be careful not to get carried away with emotions.