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February 16, 2015, 10:39:15 PM
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If that is pretty normal for something that states its 1.7 thats pretty crappy, i have even upgraded to the new firmware so a little disappointing
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February 16, 2015, 10:41:20 PM
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If that is pretty normal for something that states its 1.7 thats pretty crappy, i have even upgraded to the new firmware so a little disappointing

Mines are running at 1.55 TH with like 950 watt (guess around 1050watt at wall) with fan at 30% and 40%.
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February 16, 2015, 10:42:38 PM
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If that is pretty normal for something that states its 1.7 thats pretty crappy, i have even upgraded to the new firmware so a little disappointing

Yeah I was really upset to hear that, sort of fake advertising..
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February 16, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
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If that is pretty normal for something that states its 1.7 thats pretty crappy, i have even upgraded to the new firmware so a little disappointing

Mines are running at 1.55 TH with like 950 watt (guess around 1050watt at wall) with fan at 30% and 40%.

so no hope for hitting that 1.7 TH.. what temp is your unit running at?
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February 16, 2015, 11:12:41 PM
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If that is pretty normal for something that states its 1.7
'1.7±10%' unfortunately doesn't necessarily imply that the 1.7 is typical, it may only serve as the basis for the tolerance modifier that follows it.  In theory a manufacturer could state "2.0±25%" and if every box delivered only runs at 1.55, they can just point to the fact that it falls within the specified range.

In this case I'm not sure where Spondoolies got the 1.7Th/s number anyway, unless they're overclocking the chips out of the box.  The specs state that there's 8 RockerBox ASICs in there, and the RockerBox specs state 200Gh/s.  8x0.2Th/s = 1.6Th/s.

Might be interesting for people to post their actual hash rates (without over-/underclocking) and compile a graph, but you'd need more than a handful of people to get anything of significance out of that, and a lot of people are already underclocking them anyway to get a better power to hash rate ratio Smiley

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February 16, 2015, 11:16:16 PM
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Without playing around with any settings etc the system will go between 1550 and 1650
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February 16, 2015, 11:24:07 PM
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If that is pretty normal for something that states its 1.7 thats pretty crappy, i have even upgraded to the new firmware so a little disappointing

Mines are running at 1.55 TH with like 950 watt (guess around 1050watt at wall) with fan at 30% and 40%.

so no hope for hitting that 1.7 TH.. what temp is your unit running at?

23/60 and 23/65

As I said max watt is 250. I can't set them to 288 due to power supply limitation.
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February 16, 2015, 11:24:38 PM
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My average across x6 SP20s not under/overclocked = 1620 (early January batch) before I saw the light and underclocked to get value.

This point has been raised before with previous hardware .. SP30s and SP31s ... Sponds will always exaggerate a little bit  Huh But the SP10 has and always been rock solid at 1.4Ths+.

It's a SALES thing.

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February 17, 2015, 12:08:03 AM
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If that is pretty normal for something that states its 1.7
'1.7±10%' unfortunately doesn't necessarily imply that the 1.7 is typical, it may only serve as the basis for the tolerance modifier that follows it.  In theory a manufacturer could state "2.0±25%" and if every box delivered only runs at 1.55, they can just point to the fact that it falls within the specified range.

In this case I'm not sure where Spondoolies got the 1.7Th/s number anyway, unless they're overclocking the chips out of the box.  The specs state that there's 8 RockerBox ASICs in there, and the RockerBox specs state 200Gh/s.  8x0.2Th/s = 1.6Th/s.

Might be interesting for people to post their actual hash rates (without over-/underclocking) and compile a graph, but you'd need more than a handful of people to get anything of significance out of that, and a lot of people are already underclocking them anyway to get a better power to hash rate ratio Smiley

 My Kia Forte can reach 120 MPH downhill on a straight run in the daylight with an empty road. 

The sp20e can do 1.71 with cold air (5c) directly entering the fan end if you reverse the fan and use a  second fan  to cool the pcie wires  also you must vent that hot air out of the room.

Use a beast of a psu  have good 16 gauge wires.

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February 17, 2015, 01:44:08 AM
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My Kia Forte can reach 120 MPH downhill on a straight run in the daylight with an empty road.
I think you might need tail wind for that Wink

But yeah, the point is that if a manufacturer specifies N±X, assume you'll get N-X ... then be happy if it's anything above Smiley

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February 17, 2015, 02:16:54 AM
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I once saw 1680GH on one of my four SP20s (set at 0.75v and 12c intake), but it isn't typical.  It also does 1640s at 23c.  It hardly breaks a sweat doing it (very little thermal limiting) so there is probably plenty of room to overclock that one, but I'm not interested due to the efficiency loss.  That said, that same "overachieving" SP20 doesn't underclock anywhere near as efficiently as the others. 

On two others I see closer to 1600-1620GH at 0.75v which I consider typical for a SP20.  The last one I have is an "underachiever" which struggles to get 1550GH at 0.75v (with four different ASICs hitting thermal limits in the 630-640s).  Although an underachiever at top speed, that one for some reason can underclock far better than the others (at 0.62v I see 0.48w/GH at the wall on that one-- something the others don't even come close to).

Lately I've been running them all at max 0.72v as the optimum profit point for my power rate.  This morning's readings (low to high) were 1461-1500-1530-1546.

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February 17, 2015, 03:09:55 AM
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I once saw 1680GH on one of my four SP20s (set at 0.75v and 12c intake), but it isn't typical.  It also does 1640s at 23c.  It hardly breaks a sweat doing it (very little thermal limiting) so there is probably plenty of room to overclock that one, but I'm not interested due to the efficiency loss.  That said, that same "overachieving" SP20 doesn't underclock anywhere near as efficiently as the others. 

On two others I see closer to 1600-1620GH at 0.75v which I consider typical for a SP20.  The last one I have is an "underachiever" which struggles to get 1550GH at 0.75v (with four different ASICs hitting thermal limits in the 630-640s).  Although an underachiever at top speed, that one for some reason can underclock far better than the others (at 0.62v I see 0.48w/GH at the wall on that one-- something the others don't even come close to).

Lately I've been running them all at max 0.72v as the optimum profit point for my power rate.  This morning's readings (low to high) were 1461-1500-1530-1546.

they are very much like gpus in that respect.  3 indentical gpu's will all have different sweet spots.

and all of they power a shit load of extra power when pushed to the max.

that said I have 9 sp20's.

 I never expected them to do 1700 or 1600 I wanted them to do exactly what they do downclock  to 1100gh and use .5 watts per gh.  I hoped to use 2 per evga 1300 g2 psu as I have quite a few of them from my s-1's then s-3's.

I am happy with them .

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February 17, 2015, 04:25:41 AM
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I once saw 1680GH on one of my four SP20s (set at 0.75v and 12c intake), but it isn't typical.  It also does 1640s at 23c.  It hardly breaks a sweat doing it (very little thermal limiting) so there is probably plenty of room to overclock that one, but I'm not interested due to the efficiency loss.  That said, that same "overachieving" SP20 doesn't underclock anywhere near as efficiently as the others. 

On two others I see closer to 1600-1620GH at 0.75v which I consider typical for a SP20.  The last one I have is an "underachiever" which struggles to get 1550GH at 0.75v (with four different ASICs hitting thermal limits in the 630-640s).  Although an underachiever at top speed, that one for some reason can underclock far better than the others (at 0.62v I see 0.48w/GH at the wall on that one-- something the others don't even come close to).

Lately I've been running them all at max 0.72v as the optimum profit point for my power rate.  This morning's readings (low to high) were 1461-1500-1530-1546.

they are very much like gpus in that respect.  3 indentical gpu's will all have different sweet spots.

and all of they power a shit load of extra power when pushed to the max.

that said I have 9 sp20's.

 I never expected them to do 1700 or 1600 I wanted them to do exactly what they do downclock  to 1100gh and use .5 watts per gh.  I hoped to use 2 per evga 1300 g2 psu as I have quite a few of them from my s-1's then s-3's.

I am happy with them .

That's exactly what I do with mine phillip, i have 8 of them running off of 4 evga 1300g2s and I get 1.2xx from each without a problem.
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February 17, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
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I once saw 1680GH on one of my four SP20s (set at 0.75v and 12c intake), but it isn't typical.  It also does 1640s at 23c.  It hardly breaks a sweat doing it (very little thermal limiting) so there is probably plenty of room to overclock that one, but I'm not interested due to the efficiency loss.  That said, that same "overachieving" SP20 doesn't underclock anywhere near as efficiently as the others. 

On two others I see closer to 1600-1620GH at 0.75v which I consider typical for a SP20.  The last one I have is an "underachiever" which struggles to get 1550GH at 0.75v (with four different ASICs hitting thermal limits in the 630-640s).  Although an underachiever at top speed, that one for some reason can underclock far better than the others (at 0.62v I see 0.48w/GH at the wall on that one-- something the others don't even come close to).

Lately I've been running them all at max 0.72v as the optimum profit point for my power rate.  This morning's readings (low to high) were 1461-1500-1530-1546.

Same here, the one running with the fan at 30% perform a bit better then the other one running at 40%. (around 20gh/s)
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February 17, 2015, 05:43:22 PM
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Any official release of firmware 2.6.14 ?
2.6.14 was available today for download for the SP35.  Just got my units and powered them on yesterday, they shipped with 2.5.something.

With the shipped FW version the units were barely doing 3TH/s.  With 2.6.14 so far they're running about 5.4 TH/s after an hour.

Without needing to flip through all 500 pages of the thread, is there any good summary on tuning the SP35 for max performance?  I'm in a datacenter setting with 240V power and am looking for best hashrate, not the best power usage.
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February 17, 2015, 06:05:11 PM
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No, not bad at all.
You guys have been responsive to the squeaky wheels, especially the ones with valid points and issues.
People sit up and pay attention when they see someone treated well by a company selling products they use.

I need a bit better BTC price, another drop in SP price, or a group buy to pickup a few more units, and I am not complaining about the price you are at, but I would order today if SP20 was at $370.00 EA or 3 for $1050.00.

Of course the business model changing to straight industrial co-op concerns me as a home miner. I hoped to cut my teeth through home mining and open a side business this summer strictly dealing with crypto in the community, help other home miners get started, and a few other ideas. If I have a hard time getting product from the best miner manufacturer it will be kinda hard to recommend them to others.

That is what I understood from Guy in a recent post, and I've heard about it and talked about it with other members.
Is that the true intent? In the future primarily dealing with Industrial accounts, or will you sell whatever unit you are building to anyone, but your focus is listening to the feedback from the big miners? I should probably ask Guy, hope I'm not putting you on the spot, and if you do not know the answer, what is your opinion, thoughts, how will it affect the future of Bitcoin mining, and how does it specifically effect decentralization?

I would like to know the answer to this question as well. I can be more specific though. Will i be able to purchase the next generation of units of you as a small “home miner”, and will i be able to fit them inside of my soundproof server rack at home? This information is relevant to me so that I know whether to wait for your next generation of miners or to purchase one off another company. I already have two SP31's and they are running great, had some problems in the beginning but spondoolies support sent me a new unit without delay, hands down the best mining manufacturer in the world right now IMHO. It would be a shame if I would have to take my business elsewhere.
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February 17, 2015, 06:06:44 PM
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Any official release of firmware 2.6.14 ?
2.6.14 was available today for download for the SP35.  Just got my units and powered them on yesterday, they shipped with 2.5.something.

With the shipped FW version the units were barely doing 3TH/s.  With 2.6.14 so far they're running about 5.4 TH/s after an hour.

Without needing to flip through all 500 pages of the thread, is there any good summary on tuning the SP35 for max performance?  I'm in a datacenter setting with 240V power and am looking for best hashrate, not the best power usage.

I think 5.4th is pretty close to max.

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February 18, 2015, 02:41:34 AM
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In case it's not obvious to folks, it looks to me like Spondoolies has gone ahead and made firmware version 2.6.14 the "now most current" firmware for the SP20, without choosing it as a test version via a "Manual Update".
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February 18, 2015, 02:58:45 AM
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I once saw 1680GH on one of my four SP20s (set at 0.75v and 12c intake), but it isn't typical.  It also does 1640s at 23c.  It hardly breaks a sweat doing it (very little thermal limiting) so there is probably plenty of room to overclock that one, but I'm not interested due to the efficiency loss.  That said, that same "overachieving" SP20 doesn't underclock anywhere near as efficiently as the others. 

On two others I see closer to 1600-1620GH at 0.75v which I consider typical for a SP20.  The last one I have is an "underachiever" which struggles to get 1550GH at 0.75v (with four different ASICs hitting thermal limits in the 630-640s).  Although an underachiever at top speed, that one for some reason can underclock far better than the others (at 0.62v I see 0.48w/GH at the wall on that one-- something the others don't even come close to).

Lately I've been running them all at max 0.72v as the optimum profit point for my power rate.  This morning's readings (low to high) were 1461-1500-1530-1546.

they are very much like gpus in that respect.  3 indentical gpu's will all have different sweet spots.

and all of they power a shit load of extra power when pushed to the max.

that said I have 9 sp20's.

 I never expected them to do 1700 or 1600 I wanted them to do exactly what they do downclock  to 1100gh and use .5 watts per gh.  I hoped to use 2 per evga 1300 g2 psu as I have quite a few of them from my s-1's then s-3's.

I am happy with them .

Could you please share your settings to run 2 off an EVGA 1300 G2? I'd like to do the same.
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February 18, 2015, 03:13:23 AM
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I once saw 1680GH on one of my four SP20s (set at 0.75v and 12c intake), but it isn't typical.  It also does 1640s at 23c.  It hardly breaks a sweat doing it (very little thermal limiting) so there is probably plenty of room to overclock that one, but I'm not interested due to the efficiency loss.  That said, that same "overachieving" SP20 doesn't underclock anywhere near as efficiently as the others. 

On two others I see closer to 1600-1620GH at 0.75v which I consider typical for a SP20.  The last one I have is an "underachiever" which struggles to get 1550GH at 0.75v (with four different ASICs hitting thermal limits in the 630-640s).  Although an underachiever at top speed, that one for some reason can underclock far better than the others (at 0.62v I see 0.48w/GH at the wall on that one-- something the others don't even come close to).

Lately I've been running them all at max 0.72v as the optimum profit point for my power rate.  This morning's readings (low to high) were 1461-1500-1530-1546.

they are very much like gpus in that respect.  3 indentical gpu's will all have different sweet spots.

and all of they power a shit load of extra power when pushed to the max.

that said I have 9 sp20's.

 I never expected them to do 1700 or 1600 I wanted them to do exactly what they do downclock  to 1100gh and use .5 watts per gh.  I hoped to use 2 per evga 1300 g2 psu as I have quite a few of them from my s-1's then s-3's.

I am happy with them .

Could you please share your settings to run 2 off an EVGA 1300 G2? I'd like to do the same.

you will have room to spare

these are lower then you need


you will pull 565 + 565 watts = 1130 watts . after it runs at this  for a day or 2 you can bump up just a bit


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