[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[opentoe]

SP30 Rack mount procedure - http://storage.googleapis.com/spond_public/manuals/SP30%20Rack%20mount%20procedure.pdf

I like the way the rig rests on the brackets and doesn't use the front brackets for all the weight. At my work I see these huge servers being held up by just the front brackets and I can't believe they hold up, even though some of them sag in the back.

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[repairguy]

There are alot of reasons people rent instead of buy.  They are usually not logical. I could put a valid argument for each example you gave.  I can't say that I have traveled outside the usa at all, but you can't say that people who have 6k worth of mining equipment are disadvantaged.  I bought my first house for less than that. 

By no means do I have a poor perspective on people in the usa.  In the us anyone can get a house loan, and again the loan payment and insurance will always be less than rent.  If for some reason the market crashes and they have cheaper prices, you can walk away without penalty. Situations in other 1st world countries are probably similar. For the 3rd world countries, they barely have electricity and internet, I don't think this discussion really applies to them.

You are indeed one ignorant person. You know shit about life, particularly outside the block you live in.

When you refer to a 3rd world country, take a note, that there are all beauties of modern civilization in there. Maybe even more, than in US. The key difference from developed countries is, that the middle class is almost disappeared in 3rd world countries and the rich are getting even more wealthy by abusing and enslaving of those in poverty. Believe me, you will not trust your vision, if you see those castles engraved in gold the rich people in developing countries live in. Their vehicles, also covered in gold or other precious metals. And army of slaves, behind them...

This is in Brazil, for example:


Regarding renting or buying a house, have you considered about the fact, that 30% of US population has a bad credit history or a bankruptcy, hence they can not get a mortgage loan? Educate yourself a bit, before making those hilarious statements...

https://www.nmhc.org/Content.aspx?id=4708

I stated earlier I wasn't very familiar with things outside the usa. Everyone is twisting my words. 30% of the usa has shit credit, yes, but FHA will give anyone a loan.  I also am talking about people who sit on 6k worth of mining equipment.

[opentoe]

Spondoolie-Tech didn't "have" to make the SP30 a pre-order. ... It is the manufactures decision to use your pre-order money for R&D and making the product ...

It was already discussed many times in this thread before. The pre-order money was used for ordering the batches, not for R&D
The 3 months lead time forced us to take pre-orders, because of the amount of $ involved - 10s of $M

As I wrote many times also, I much prefer selling from stock, but it's not an option for us.

Two more issues to consider:

- We know for a fact, after talking with them, that the Chinese manufacturers were dropping prices because of our pre-order price point.
- We don't self mine and we don't compete with our customers. We have 1MW DC in Israel, most of it populated by customers machines.

Guy

My major wasn't business, so I'm not real business savvy. I guess in my mind I'm thinking what does a company do to build something? They get a loan or investors. This is what I thought could be done. I admit, I'm not real keen on how companies operate but I do know a lot of them operate in the red for many years before turning a profit. I really did think you had the choice to sell from stock, I really didn't know you were forced into the pre-order game. I guess you can't just go to the bank and take a loan, right?

[opentoe]

Can someone explain how the September batch 2 SP30s (and I assume other batches) have 2x 1200 watt PSUs and draws 3000 watts at the wall?

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

$3895 plus shipping will be well over $4000 for 4.5TH/s in September, mid/late September since it is batch #2 is a pretty high price no?

By well over you mean what price? $10k? wt actual f

obviously somewhere around 4200 and 4500 depending upon shipping 'cost'.

wtf is your point/intention??

Jesus man, what's wrong with people. You guys are wrapped a little too tight.

[bitcoinbearhk]

Has anyone actually received the SP30 yet?

Just wonder how trustworthy ST is and whether their 2nd September batch can be delivered on time.

[Marvell1]

Has anyone actually received the SP30 yet?

Just wonder how trustworthy ST is and whether their 2nd September batch can be delivered on time.

collider has one
roadstress has one arriving 'today'
dogie has one (or its en route)
& 1 other brother, apologies i forget

...that i am aware of

these are the 'july' batch

i imagine dogie & perhaps roadstress didnt part with any coin, i could be mistaken

there was a spondoolie post regarding 'our 63 units' earlier

Jeez how do you afford 63 units lol, were those in the Aug group buy ?

[Guy Corem]

...2nd September batch can be delivered on time.

2nd September batch will be shipped in the 2nd half of September. We'll ship on time.

[Marvell1]

The miner turned on:
67DB

This remark gets very easily overlooked without the pictures which were earlier in the message.
I can bet it was fun measuring the DB level with the unit initially turned off

Yes, we had to be very quiet

So the sp30 is just as loud as an sp10 at 70db?

[grn]

For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

[Searing]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

You can always suggest this improvement to the landlord. And if it keeps you there safe and happy, (s)he will invest easily in any electrical modifications improving your quality of life. Then it becomes an improvement at "no cost" to you!

yeah, or you could ask the landlord. As long as it is done correctly they probably wont care.  Or you could use your stove outlet (40-50amp 240v) or if you have a gas stove tell your landlord you want an electric stove and you will pay for the outlet to be installed. Keep the gas stove and use the juice.  same could go with a dryer.

er using the stove outlet ..would this adapter work..ie...at your landlord's place (i assume you pay for electric) at least in the USA
use this with your stove or better yet in basement electric dryer outlet... heh

Well I could have gotten away with this in a couple apts I had ..in that they had 220v outlet for a window a/c unit..(just use that for the miner) and
put in a regular 120 a/c unit at another window heh

anyway for those who think this may be of use (may be other end types available)..this could work?

I make no claims it will just tossing it out here for those who MAY be at a loss on what to do..trying to provide a 'ah/ha'/ moment for your guys stuck in
some way on this issue..due to apt living etc

http://www.amazon.com/Conntek-Locking-Adapter-Straight-Connector/dp/B001H9TSEW/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1407218070&sr=8-6&keywords=220v+plug+converter+30+amp

anyway maybe I'm off the mark ..but maybe it is something useful to those in this boat

Searing
 

[Searing]

For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

that is a good point...imho it will not be long till insurance companies ban bitcoin equip due to fire hazards in that they run 24/7

actually they may already have done such due to hot/dangerous GPU milkcrate setups from say 2011 to 2012 etc

no clue I should probably ask as well

Searing

[RoadStress]

Here in NJ electricians are VERY expensive. I have a 100amp panel which is almost full and wanted to add a sub panel and a couple 240V circuits. I actually got two quotes. One was for $1200 and the other was $950. Installing new circuits you sometimes need to break down the sheet rock and do a lot of other things that just add to the cost. Once the electrician leaves then you need to do some sheet rock work, spackling, painting, etc. It adds up.

That's why we have a GB hosting offer and that's why we have a dedicated thread for colocation offers.

Not that much. Instead of well over, maybe medium rare. Specifically it would be $4195, which I'll mark up to $4200. You don't think that's a little high for 4.5TH/s delivered in mid September? And I'm not trying to argue, being serious. I guess prices and money is all ones perspective since everyone has their own value of money. I work hard long days for my money, so I value every dollar. I'm not cheap or frugal, but I do try to get the best price on something I can, if I can.

$4200 is not "well over" in my opinion.

Unrelated stuff: You managed to post 8 consecutive replies in 8 different post and you are not the only one to do that. Nice way to increase forum posts

collider has one
roadstress has one arriving 'today'
dogie has one (or its en route)
& 1 other brother, apologies i forget

...that i am aware of
these are the 'july' batch
i imagine dogie & perhaps roadstress didnt part with any coin, i could be mistaken
there was a spondoolie post regarding 'our 63 units' earlier

I wish I didn't part with any coin. My July SP30 is part of one April SP10 and one July SP30 for which I paid a premium to get it before anyone else. Unfortunately it seems that DHL didn't deliver the package on Monday even it the custom part is done. I hope there will be movement today.

[Collider]

Atleast we seem to be seeing some low difficulty jumps, so that should add nicely to the return for sp30 customers.

Sorry to hear that your unit is still not online roadstress, mine has been mining since the 30th.

Possible delays in shipping (outside the control of spondoolies) was one of the reasons why I chose to have the first unit hosted with them.

[raskul]

For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

i think you are looking for the KfC thread. those are the ones that melt. I've had my miners this summer performing up near 50 Celsius (thankfully it's getting cooler now) hashrate was at 1.3 steady on all rigs at that temp. I'd considered powering down on a couple of days, but good wiring seen it fit.

[phillipsjk]

The miner turned on:
67DB

So the sp30 is just as loud as an sp10 at 70db?

Every 3dB is a doubling in power. So it is half as loud.

For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

As far as I know, computers do not have to be CSA and UL approved: otherwise you would not be able to add on cards. I think add-on cards are supposed to be FCC approved (don't think that has insurance implications).

However, when studying electronics, we were told that if a non-CSA/UL approved device is plugged in: insurance may be denied. Even it if was not the cause of any fire. The lesson was to unplug your projects when not in use.

Computers get around that by requiring approval for the power supply. The rails are then limited to something like 200VA (less power means less heat -> less risk of fire). I have noticed sometimes cheaper electronics lack UL approval (don't think they are actually supposed to be sold to consumers without it). I suspect that may be why some stuff is labeled "industrial use only".

[Bicknellski]

The miner turned on:
67DB

So the sp30 is just as loud as an sp10 at 70db?

Every 3dB is a doubling in power. So it is half as loud.

For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

As far as I know, computers do not have to be CSA and UL approved: otherwise you would not be able to add on cards. I think add-on cards are supposed to be FCC approved (don't think that has insurance implications).

However, when studying electronics, we were told that if a non-CSA/UL approved device is plugged in: insurance may be denied. Even it if was not the cause of any fire. The lesson was to unplug your projects when not in use.

Computers get around that by requiring approval for the power supply. The rails are then limited to something like 200VA (less power means less heat -> less risk of fire). I have noticed sometimes cheaper electronics lack UL approval (don't think they are actually supposed to be sold to consumers without it). I suspect that may be why some stuff is labeled "industrial use only".

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

Emissions Compliance

FCC / CE

Safety Certification

CE

[Searing]

August Group Buy Special Hosting Plan
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Payment required - Hosting in Titan DC
Hi Everyone,

In previous emails we have asked you to indicate whether you were interested in having your August Group Buy SP30 delivered to you or whether you wanted to take advantage of the special offer we had for the Titan Data Center.

We have created a special product page for those of you who are interested in the special offer.

Please log into the following page, add your original order number, add the product to your car and go through the checkout process:

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/august_gb_titan_hosting

Due to the deviation from the original specification we have decided to subsidize the difference in power costs from the original planned power consumption.

Costs for the hosting plan will be as follows:
•   1 Month of free hosting
•   5 Months hosting for $310 each
•   $100 Setup fees
•   $150 Bulk shipping cost
The total for the above fees is $1,800 for a period of 6 months.

Note that this is a special offer only for members of the August Group Buy!

If you have would like to take advantage of the offer please do so before August 11.

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So i got this email from SP-TECH, its nice that you have decided to honor the original hosting deal, in my case though I have decided to stick to my original plan and host it myself , i plan to run it at 4TH max to keep the PSU's at 2500WAttsI might get come 240 circuits placed as well next week and since it gets cold here around sept(only one month away) i can use forced air cooling and probably pay alot less in electricity costs going forward.  I figure by spring next year the unit will already be unprofitable to run in any case unless btc prices really shoot up.

of course this being the case I would prefer my unit shipped sooner than later as well: do we have a firm ship date on these units yet ?
 Also how any new details on how I will get compensated for the reduced hash rate ?  I paid by bank wire, but I would be fine with a pay-pal re-reimbursement or something even though I would prefer a coupon for a nice discount on October gear.

thanks again.

So with my situation of 2500 watts to 3000 watts increase ...cooling issues at home....my elec use is 0.15kwh
so essentially under this August Hosting offer (I'm at the ass end of august) the hosting offer (w/o cooling
costs included no less so the deal is even more impressive to me...) is like $194 usd cheaper then me hosting
at home again without cooling issues/elec use for such either...
(just enough $$$ at $194 usd to ship my miner back more or less at end of 6 month hosting
I'm soooo sentimental)..pretty much a no brainier.....even if I had NO cooling costs ..which I would have for
2 months at least...  

So anyway looks like it is likely I will go with this plan....others on here? comments?...pitfalls?

Of course I have the usual issues much like a parent sending the kid (ie miner) off to boarding school for 6 months (miner)

1) Is it safe? Can he be kidnapped?

2) Will he get there ok?

3) Will he not be too hot nor too cold?

4) Will he get enough energy to get thru each day?

5) Will he suffer neglect?/abuse?/damage?/..get the attention he needs?

6) If sick? what kinda care would he get?

7) Do I have communication and access on a regular basis?

8] costs to get him back home?

Well I don't have a kid but if you replace MINER above for he you get the drift....

(I have problems with strangers touching my 'stuff' ...ewww hosting...(sigh gonna have to bite the bullet and to this anyway I think)

Searing

[wh00per]

For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

In UE, you'll need the CE stamp, and I've seen it on the labels. FCC deals with the radio interference and should not matter in the insurance case.

The IEC 60320 (C-15/C-13) inline connector is CSA rated for 10A-250V / 15A-125V. Then the IEC 60320 C-19 CONNECTOR, is also CSA/UL rated 20A-250V. Cables are good as long as they're #12 or bigger (i.e. #10). The power supplies are CSA/UL compliant, what's after the power supply is low voltage and does not need CSA/UL approvals.

[wh00per]

 I have noticed sometimes cheaper electronics lack UL approval (don't think they are actually supposed to be sold to consumers without it). I suspect that may be why some stuff is labeled "industrial use only".

All devices powered 48V and below do not need CSA/UL stamp They can be lot inspected by a CSA/UL representative and you'll get a certificate that they comply. however, the inspector's visit may cost up to 2k .. so do it in batches (because the certificate you get will mention the unit serial number) if you own a data-center, and you need this paperwork for insurance.

"Industrial only" is also affected by CSA/UL, maybe even more than home use, since everything should be insured there. Some devices have an "isolated ground" and maybe more characteristics which cannot comply with the residential electrical systems. Always read the manuals and speak with the seller rep when you find such labels, asking them why they're there and what special installation measures you have to comply with.

[BitCoin Operated Boy]

I'm not sure if I understand your hosting offer.

"Costs for the hosting plan will be as follows:

    1 Month of free hosting
    5 Months hosting for $310 each
    $100 Setup fees
    $150 Bulk shipping cost

The total for the above fees is $1,800 for a period of 6 months."

Does it mean that if I want 1 month free hosting I have to pay for the whole package?

If not, if I choose one month free hosting instead of free shipping, what is the shipping cost I would need to pay to have it shipped to UK?