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January 09, 2020, 05:51:04 PM
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What do you think, guys? https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-wants-to-search-iran-plane-crash-site-for-possible-russia-missile-debris/
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January 09, 2020, 06:17:58 PM
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It was probably an American anti-missile missile that went off course. Smiley

Isn't it surprising that the Iranian missiles weren't intercepted? And they gave the US a one hour warning before they launched them.

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January 09, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
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Don't get fooled. It's just a comedy from our ukrainian government. What they can do to Iran? Nothing.

But the real problem is that they don't want to do anything. Most crimes, starts from Maidan massacre to felonious imprisoning of ukrainian soldier Vitaliy Markiv by italian idiots, is still unfinished. They not even trying to do something.

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January 10, 2020, 04:54:45 AM
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Don't get fooled. It's just a comedy from our ukrainian government. What they can do to Iran? Nothing.

But the real problem is that they don't want to do anything. Most crimes, starts from Maidan massacre to felonious imprisoning of ukrainian soldier Vitaliy Markiv by italian idiots, is still unfinished. They not even trying to do something.
This is why condoms who served in Berkut were hunted down by volunteers, and the volunteers, including a young girl were imprisoned for shooting them. And Tornado commanding staff imprisoned because they did to separatists what must have been done. The revolution was not completed because the elite was not removed.

Speaking about plane - it is possible that in flight engine failure and subsequent fire caused the crash. Failure alone even on takeoff is not enough to cause crash. Fire and loss of flight controls can.

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January 10, 2020, 02:39:20 PM
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This is my theory about the whole thing about the plane being shoot down. After the Iran launched the rockets, they were very afraid about an immediate strike from USA and they panicked when they saw the Ukrainian plane and mistook it for an attack from the USA and proceeded to shot the plane down.

 
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January 10, 2020, 03:50:13 PM
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This is my theory about the whole thing about the plane being shoot down. After the Iran launched the rockets, they were very afraid about an immediate strike from USA and they panicked when they saw the Ukrainian plane and mistook it for an attack from the USA and proceeded to shot the plane down.

That's a possibility. I don't really see any reason for Russia to do this. Unless of course the Ukrainians in that flight were up to something in Iran but that would also be unlikely.
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January 10, 2020, 03:51:04 PM
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There is nothing wrong in carrying proper investigation and there have been series of reports flying around. This kind of investigation considering the party carrying it out would either give credence to the already popular notion or even disprove it. The souls of those who happen to be on the wrong flight at the right time will continue to cry for justice if its really due to any form of human sabotage. May their soul rest in peace.
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January 10, 2020, 04:13:11 PM
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Anyone find it odd there was an Iranian standing by who recorded the missile hitting the plane?  Roll Eyes

Isn't it surprising that the Iranian missiles weren't intercepted? And they gave the US a one hour warning before they launched them.

Not surprising. Warnings mean nothing until a launch happens and trajectories and other information can be calculated, and then you probably have minutes.

There is a risk of missing the targets, then what happens to the anti-ballistic missile when it misses?.. where does it then go?..   Dispersal/bunkers is likely the safer bet here since they were on alert.

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January 10, 2020, 05:04:59 PM
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"Missile ‘highly likely’ took down Ukraine flight in Tehran l ABC News" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAT8mUvyvjI
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January 10, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
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I don't see why Iran would allow the investigation to happen since it's most probably them who did it with Russian missiles.
Ukranians have every right to ask for the it to happen, it is their plane that was shot down!
But it's most certainly shot by Iranians.
Who else would shoot it down? o.o

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January 11, 2020, 04:02:46 AM
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Russians wouldn't do this, there's no any benefit in this

He is not suggesting Russians did this, only that they used Russian made weapons to do it.
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January 11, 2020, 04:35:49 AM
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Russians wouldn't do this, there's no any benefit in this

He is not suggesting Russians did this, only that they used Russian made weapons to do it.

Iran has already admitted of mistakenly shooting down the plane. This was a great blunder from the side of Iran or the stupid people that were operating the missile whose would lose a huge leverage on the conflict against US. It would be wise for them to stay down for now and promote stabilization of Iraq and Syria.





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January 11, 2020, 09:02:55 AM
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Yep, Iran admitted shooting down the plane.
Same level of incompetence as in that Malaysian airplane that got shot down over Ukraine back in 2014.

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Iran has admitted that its military made an “unforgivable mistake” in unintentionally shooting down a Ukrainian jetliner, killing all 176 people onboard, after days of rejecting western intelligence reports that pointed to Tehran being responsible.

A military statement early on Saturday via state TV blamed “human error” for the downing of Ukraine International Airlines flight 752 on Wednesday in the tense aftermath of strikes on US targets. It was followed by an apology from Iran’s president.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskiy responded on Saturday morning that Iran must make an official apology and agree to a full investigation and compensation, as well as co-operating with Ukraine’s own investigators. “Our 45 professionals should have full access and co-operation to establish justice,” a statement from the presidency said.

Hassan Rouhani, the Iranian president, wrote on Saturday: “The Islamic Republic of Iran deeply regrets this disastrous mistake. My thoughts and prayers go to all the mourning families. I offer my sincerest condolences.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/iran-admits-shooting-down-ukrainian-airliner-unintentionally





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January 11, 2020, 09:10:19 AM
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Yep, Iran admitted shooting down the plane.
Same level of incompetence as in that Malaysian airplane that got shot down over Ukraine back in 2014.

Well I guess this answers Ukraine's questions. There was no Russian involvement, just another casualty of conflict.

Poor Ukraine always getting involved in passenger airline shoot-downs.
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It was tension between Iran and USA. Neither USA bear any damage nor Iran ( other then that so called general). The only victim of this so called tension were poor passengers of Ukraine flight. Flights to Iran must be banned as they cant handle there air space efficiently.
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It was tension between Iran and USA. Neither USA bear any damage nor Iran ( other then that so called general). The only victim of this so called tension were poor passengers of Ukraine flight. Flights to Iran must be banned as they cant handle there air space efficiently.

What Iran did was terrible.
Apparently, the victims on these tensions are always innocent people. 140 people lost their lives for nothing.
And now that people was against the US, will turn now their back to Iran.
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It was tension between Iran and USA. Neither USA bear any damage nor Iran ( other then that so called general). The only victim of this so called tension were poor passengers of Ukraine flight. Flights to Iran must be banned as they cant handle there air space efficiently.

Yeah that's the worst thing about these kind of things, innocent civilians always pay the price of warmongering and incompetence.

All American carriers stopped flying over Iraq and Iran, while some others stopped as well like  Quantas and Malaysia Airlines also started rerouting their planes. Most of the big ones still fly their planes over Iraq and Iran but no way in hell I would go with any flight that goes over the that area.





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January 11, 2020, 10:00:29 AM
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It was tension between Iran and USA. Neither USA bear any damage nor Iran ( other then that so called general). The only victim of this so called tension were poor passengers of Ukraine flight. Flights to Iran must be banned as they cant handle there air space efficiently.

What Iran did was terrible.
Apparently, the victims on these tensions are always innocent people. 140 people lost their lives for nothing.
And now that people was against the US, will turn now their back to Iran.

I highly doubt the Ukranians were against the US.
Russia invaded Crimea so they most probably naturally consider Americans to be their allies.

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January 11, 2020, 10:25:07 AM
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Russians wouldn't do this, there's no any benefit in this

He is not suggesting Russians did this, only that they used Russian made weapons to do it.

Iran has already admitted of mistakenly shooting down the plane. This was a great blunder from the side of Iran or the stupid people that were operating the missile whose would lose a huge leverage on the conflict against US. It would be wise for them to stay down for now and promote stabilization of Iraq and Syria.
They definitely mistook the aircraft for an attack from the USA and shoot the it down. Some blame should be on the people who allowed the plane to take off in the first place since there was a lot of tensions in the area especially when the Iranians fired some rockets a few hours earlier.

 
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January 11, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
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It was tension between Iran and USA. Neither USA bear any damage nor Iran ( other then that so called general). The only victim of this so called tension were poor passengers of Ukraine flight. Flights to Iran must be banned as they cant handle there air space efficiently.

Yeah that's the worst thing about these kind of things, innocent civilians always pay the price of warmongering and incompetence.

All American carriers stopped flying over Iraq and Iran, while some others stopped as well like  Quantas and Malaysia Airlines also started rerouting their planes. Most of the big ones still fly their planes over Iraq and Iran but no way in hell I would go with any flight that goes over the that area.

Iran officially confirmed that they mistakenly shot down the plan.

'Disastrous mistake': Iran admits it shot down Ukrainian plane

Ukraine wants punishment, compensation from Iran for downed plane

Don't know why Ukraine suspended its flights in this tense region.
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