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January 10, 2020, 02:03:06 AM
Last edit: January 10, 2020, 02:24:37 AM by BitcoinFX
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Note to bitcointalk.org forum admins, moderators and all forum users: This is an unmoderated version of the following thread topic:

[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211986.0

Forum users have become increasingly disillusioned with the continual self-moderation (having multiple on-topic posts deleted) by the topic starter 'Bitcoin SV' - this thread simply aims to maintain open and honest discussion, in regards to BitcoinSV (BSV), without censorship!

"Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they believe that the creator of the original topic displays some red flags which make them high-risk. (Login to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution."

See user: 'Bitcoin SV' - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2371095

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Also see this topic in SCAM Accusations:

Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.0

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Full disclosure:

I, BitcoinFX do NOT support BitcoinSV. 'Original' Bitcoin is BTC - see: https://bitcoin.org

BSV is NOT original Bitcoin (it is a fork of a fork of original Bitcoin BTC) , as described in the BSV license:
- https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/blob/master/LICENSE

Quote: "... The Bitcoin SV blockchains are defined,
for purposes of this license, as the Bitcoin blockchain containing block height #556767
with the hash "000000000000000001d956714215d96ffc00e0afda4cd0a96c96f8d802b1662b" ..."


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Image source: https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1201835155725455361

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Herewith, re-posting user 'Bitcoin SV' thread topic, as-is ...



“The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.”
Satoshi Nakamoto

White paper
https://bitcoinsv.io/bitcoin.pdf

Hard Fork Latest Updates
https://bitcoinsv.io/genesis-hard-fork

Bitcoin SV – Blocking potential P2SH replay attack after Genesis hard fork
https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/12/23/bitcoin-sv-blocking-potential-p2sh-replay-attack-after-genesis-hard-fork

The Bitcoin SV Node team notes the recent public disclosure on Reddit by Gregory Maxwell (a.k.a. /u/nullc) from the Bitcoin Core (BTC) of a potential replay attack vector on Bitcoin SV after the “Genesis” hard fork in February 2020 which will be deprecating the P2SH (pay-to-script-hash) feature that is not part of the Bitcoin design described by Satoshi Nakamoto.

The post describes a possible theft via replay attack of P2SH (pay-to-script-hash) transactions from the BTC chain that could be executed to steal unsplit funds of BTC users on the Bitcoin SV chain. The Bitcoin SV mission is to return Bitcoin to the vision described in Satoshi’s whitepaper which uses the word “honest” no less than 15 times and we emphatically reject the notion that obvious theft of coins by miners can fall within the definition of “honest” behaviour.

 We note that Mr. Maxwell’s public disclosure in no way fits the broadly accepted definition of “responsible disclosure” and by describing in detail the steps required to exploit and potentially cause loss of funds to BTC users, we would deem it both irresponsible to BTC users and poor security practice.  Had the disclosure been made responsibly according the guidelines set out in the Bitcoin SV Responsible Disclosure Policy, it likely would have been eligible for a substantial bug bounty.  It is particularly puzzling to the BSV Node team that the disclosure was made in this public way by a BTC core developer given the users most likely put at greater risk by the disclosure are not those actively engaged with BSV, but primarily those that are BTC users who may not even be interested in BSV.

We note for the record that the Bitcoin SV Node team has previously made responsible disclosures to the Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Cash development teams and intend to continuing to do so as part of our commitment to professionalizing Bitcoin software development.

The Bitcoin SV team had been previously aware of variations of this attack vector and did in fact have a plan in place to mitigate it, in part involving a coalition of honest miners forcibly rejecting blocks that contain obvious theft attempts in order to protect the integrity of the chain. We note that this mechanism has subtle but important differences to an explicit consensus rule although has a similar effect. However, due to this public disclosure and explicit description of the method, we believe there is now a significantly higher risk of a dishonest miner attempting to execute this theft attack with a large amount of hashpower and consequently the economic cost to honest miners of implementing the proposed mitigation method is likely to be substantially higher as well. As such the Bitcoin SV team has determined that a stronger mitigation is now required.

We note for the record that Mr. Maxwell’s post did bring to our attention some aspects of this issue that the Bitcoin SV team had not yet fully considered.  So we thank him for the technical review and shedding some new light on the matter.  

In fact, this event demonstrates that the public review process implemented by the Bitcoin SV team, in advance of finalizing the code in early January, is achieving the intended goal of improving security outcomes for the ecosystem.

Mitigation
In response, the Bitcoin SV Node team will update the “Genesis” hard fork specification by upgrading the rule rejecting the P2SH script pattern from a policy rule to a consensus rule.  That is the specific script template “OP_HASH160 <hash> OP_EQUAL” will not be allowed in new outputs and this rule will be directly implemented in the Bitcoin SV Node software.  Whilst unfortunate to restrict the usage of a particular script pattern, we note that the same effect can be achieved using variations of the script pattern e.g. “OP_SHA256 OP_RIPEMD160 <hash> OP_EQUAL”.

This change closes the attack vector and mitigates the need for honest miners to forcibly reject blocks containing theft transactions.  Whilst this could have triggered a valuable demonstration of the principle of honest miners acting punitively against dishonest miners, the public disclosure by Mr. Maxwell raises the potential cost to those miners to an unacceptable level.

Segwit script pattern
To address an additional but unrelated issue related to native Segwit transaction replay an additional measure will be taken. This will be detailed in a later post.

An update to the Genesis hard fork specification will be published shortly and the code changes included in the next beta release of Bitcoin SV.  Release notification will occur through the usual channels noted here: https://bitcoinsv.io/genesis-hard-fork/

Bug Bounty
We take this opportunity to remind the security research community of the substantial bug bounty program offered by Bitcoin SV with a maximum reward of up to $100,000 USD (payable in BSV), rivalling the largest bug bounty programs in the world offered by multinational technology giants.

We offer a top-tier bug bounty program in order to encourage further scrutiny, review and responsible disclosures from all parties.  Gregory Maxwell is of course eligible to participate so long as he adheres to principles of Responsible Disclosure in the future.



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note to bitcointalk.org forum admins, moderators and all forum users: This is an unmoderated version of the following thread topic:

[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211986.0

Forum users have become increasingly disillusioned with the continual self-moderation (having multiple on-topic posts deleted) by the topic starter 'Bitcoin SV' - this thread simply aims to maintain open and honest discussion, in regards to BitcoinSV (BSV), without censorship!

"Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they believe that the creator of the original topic displays some red flags which make them high-risk. (Login to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution."

See user: 'Bitcoin SV' - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2371095

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Also see this topic in SCAM Accusations:

Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.0

...

Full disclosure:

I, BitcoinFX do NOT support BitcoinSV. 'Original' Bitcoin is BTC - see: https://bitcoin.org

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Here are a couple of my comments that were deleted from the old thread (I refuse to waste my time commenting in the new thread).

This one points out how BSV's transaction volume is being steadily manipulated in order to surpass BTC's transactions per day.

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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

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Thanks for posting this. This plot is one of my favorites to demonstrate the manipulation of statistics by BSV. Notice how all the lines are pretty wavy, indicating a rather tremendous amount of variation in the number of transactions? Then notice how the line smooths out for BSV between late May and mid July? This is because BSV was coordinating a ramp up in transactions to surpass BCH. It lost all variance because all (most) transactions are being performed by a single entity.

Here's what it looks like close-up so you can see it in better detail:



Let me guess: you are going to say this methodical, calculated ramp up in transactions is completely organic, right? The loss of variance is also organic, correct? Then why did the variance reappear after the ramp up had ended?

The one dispels the myth that BTC is "ignoring the miners":

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
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https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

It’s no secret, BSV is winning the blocksize race.

Funny how you have to invent competitions in order to have one where you are actually winning.

BTC can build a layer that ignores the miners, if BTC ever reaches 20k again it will cost 50$ just to fund a lightning node with an on chain transaction.

This statement highlights the cognitive dissonance of BSVers. How can transaction fees be so high if BTC is ignoring miners? Either transaction fees are high, or miners are being ignored. Both items cannot be present at the same time.

At this rate BSV miners will claim a higher reward from transaction fees over block rewards, this is how bitcoin was meant to be.

Average BSV block reward per day minus fees: $148,950
Average BSV transaction fees per day: $125   Cheesy

The only way this could possibly happen (before the next halving) is if transaction fees increase by a factor of 1191 while the price remains the same. This will never happen.

Let's compare the same stats for BTC:

Average BTC block reward per day minus fees: $14,400,000
Average BTC transaction fees per day: $136,444

The ratio between block reward and fees for BTC is only 105.5, whereas it is 1191 for BSV! Your entire existence has just been rendered absurd.  Cheesy

Additionally your last stress test could only produce a block that was 8 MB. Why not just use Bcash? What's the difference? At least the Bcash cult leader doesn't think he's Satoshi.

What a joke.

So does this one:

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic...

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The lightning network (the only Scaling solution BTC has come up with) literally ignores miners in every way possible.

False. You literally just said this:

if BTC ever reaches 20k again it will cost 50$ just to fund a lightning node with an on chain transaction.

Where do you think that $50 is going? Besides, how can fees be so high if everybody is ignoring the miners?

Bitcoin miners are doing just fine. You're just rehashing that same tired, disproven narrative perpetuated by other BSV idiots that we've heard a thousand times before.

Ohhhh what about the poor, poor miners? Who will think of them??? Cry  Roll Eyes

Everything is driven by economic incentives. LN will be used because blocks are already quite full, which means the miners are already making maximum income from transaction fees. There's no problem here whatsoever.

This one is about how the count of active addresses is a better metric for determining the popularity of a coin than transaction volume:

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https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

Proof is here. bitcoin SV now averaging bigger blocks the BTC on a daily basis. This explains the recent price surge for BSV. If Bitcoin SV continues increasing block sizes at this growth rate, it will be a very slow death for BTC. BSV price will continue to increase simply because there will be an incentive for miners to mine the most profitable chain.

This comment will be flagged and deleted by dictator moderators on this form.

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The only reason your comments get deleted is when you post twice in a row or if you spam off-topic nonsense. In this case you only posted once, and while your comment is indeed nonsense it is still not off-topic, so it won't be deleted.

BSV muppets always fail to take into account active addresses, which is a much better metric for estimating the popularity of a coin.

Active addresses

BTC: 537k
ETH: 313k
DASH: 64.6k
LTC: 42.8k
DOGE: 34.45k
BSV: 28.4k
ETC: 18.3k
BCH: 17.2k

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/activeaddresses-bsv.html

Congrats, more people use DOGE on a daily basis than BSV, despite it only having 14.5% the total market cap of your tremendously overpriced coin.



The "payment" aspect for BSV accounts for 2.1% of all usage... just like Satoshi intended...  Roll Eyes

Finally, this is why I stopped commenting in their thread (in addition to having all of my comments deleted, lol):

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There is a lot that (the real) nutildah says with which I do not agree.

However, this nutlidah impostor should rethink their approach. It seems evident that the username was chosen to intentionally deceive. Very poor taste. I doubt you're fooling anyone. You're only making yourself look bad.

There are 2 sets of multi-accounters working this thread, if not just 1. One of the main problems with this thread is that it was started by a banned user named korner. He's opened probably 100 different accounts to troll the forum, one of which is my impostor.

Frankly I don't give a shit about SV anymore. Its a comedic spectacle. No longer worth bumping this thread over.

In any case, this thread is a good initiative, and we should encourage people who had their replies deleted to repost them here, as well as keep this thread listed above the actual ANN thread at all times.

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January 10, 2020, 10:44:01 AM
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Thanks to the OP for creating this thread, it is both important and exhausting to prevent these groups from confusing and misleading newcomers about Bitcoin.
It is a matter of time before people find out what their true intentions are and then these forks will die, in slow motion as has been happening.
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I am very happy to see this Unmoderated Thread.

One interesting thing I noticed is that member 'Bicoin SV' is supporting one more suspicious project called trusd
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205460

He trusts this newbie member:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2721770

Connection should be investigated
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Last edit: January 10, 2020, 12:41:24 PM by nutildah
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I am very happy to see this Unmoderated Thread.

One interesting thing I noticed is that member 'Bicoin SV' is supporting one more suspicious project called trusd
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205460

He trusts this newbie member:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2721770

Connection should be investigated

The connection is "Bitcoin SV" (should really have quadruple-quotes around his name) decided to leave positive feedback for every single member I have ever given a negative feedback to, and several of the people I gave a neutral to...  Roll Eyes

They are obsessed with me I suppose. But they're not the first hater I've had, and they won't be the last.

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January 10, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
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Don't mind me, just cross-posting some information for the first page of this thread  Grin


Bitmex Research vs Craig Wright: 13 Part Tweet Storm

Courtesy of @BitMEXResearch, October 13th 2019. Further reading: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member.
Click on images for larger versions. Note this is a collated post with links & mark up, not original content.

(1/13) Craig Wright is speaking at @ForumChallenge this week in London, in a session entitled “What was your purpose as Satoshi writing the Whitepaper?”

Please see below some of the court rulings and fraud accusations related to Mr Wright

Source: https://cc-forum.com/agenda/



(2/13) In a 2005 case, in an Australian court ruling against Mr Wright, the judge mentioned that there were “doubts about his credibility”, due to contradictory evidence
Source: http://austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/nsw/NSWCA/2005/368.html



(3/13) Mr Wright appears to have edited his blog dated 2008, in 2015, to make it look like he was writing a cryptocurrency paper at the time, while a 2014 snapshot of the blog does not include this cryptocurrency comment
Sources: http://web.archive.org/web/20151003011022/http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com.au/2008_08_24_archive.html, http://web.archive.org/web/20140602022658/http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com.au/2008_08_24_archive.html





(4/13) According to @DrFunkenstein6, Mr Wright may have submitted an email to the court for the Kleiman case, where the date and date implied by the email signature timestamp are inconsistent

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Craig Wright just submitted a provably fake email in court for the Kleiman case. @PeterMcCormack and @adam3us, you may find this interesting!



(5/13) According to @jimmy007forsure, Mr Wright may have submitted another email to the court for the Kleiman case dated in 2008, when the domain is question was only registered in 2009

Quote from: SeekingSatoshi
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This email was blown apart ages ago. But BSV fans still seem to think its legit and was provided by Ira Kleiman and thus proves Craig is Satoshi .. Sorry its another forgery and Craig handed the doc over under discovery. Craig is a liar, fraud and a bloody idiot.


(6/13) Court transcripts from the Kleiman case appear to imply that Wright backdated messages he sent on Bitmessage, because the software was not released at the time on the screenshot Mr Wright provided
Source: https://www.scribd.com/document/421765199/gov-uscourts-flsd-521536-261-1#from_embed?campaign=SkimbitLtd&amp;ad_group=100652X1574425X601bafb21062f76b9a122e2322edb2c7&amp;keyword=660149026&amp;source=hp_affiliate&amp;medium=affiliate



(7/13) Mr Wright may have claimed to have a PhD in Computer Science from Charles Sturt University on his Linkedin profile, however a Forbes article implies this may not be the case
Sources: https://archive.is/XnLQd, https://forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/12/11/bitcoin-creator-satoshi-craig-wright-lies-hoax/#46034df67947



(8/13) A recent article by Sam Williams indicates that Mr Wright plagiarised some academic papers, copying large chunks of text from other papers
Source: https://medium.com/@samwill102244/anatomy-of-a-fraud-a-deep-dive-into-one-of-craig-wrights-plagiarized-papers-96bc8624fc12



(9/13) According to @kyletorpey, a lawsuit against Craig Wright claims Wright used a computer-generated font called Otto to forge Dave Kleiman's signature

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The $10 Billion lawsuit against Craig Wright claims Wright used a computer-generated font called Otto to forge Dave Kleiman's signature and acquire hundreds of thousands of bitcoins.



(10/13) Mr Wright appears to have claimed to have had one of the world’s fastest supercomputers called “C01N”, however according to a @ZDNet article the supplier he mentioned denied having any relationship with Mr Wright
Source: https://zdnet.com/article/sgi-denies-links-with-alleged-bitcoin-founder-craig-wright




(11/13) Mr Wright claims to be entitled to over 1 million Bitcoin in the “Tulip Trust”, which trust documents show was created in 2011. However, as @MyLegacyKit points out, documents imply that Mr Wright may have acquired the company as late as 2014

Quote from: Arthur van Pelt - Dragon Industries
@MyLegacyKit
For those who still think this Tulip trust thing is a genuine set up in 2011/2012, please pay attention now. In the Kleiman v. Wright lawsuit we found out the following.

The Tulip Trading Limited trust was requested by Craig Wright on October 16, 2014 as a "shelf company".


(12/13) In May 2016 Mr Wright claimed he was about to release a message & signature proving he was Satoshi, however as the BBC points out, he "backed out" and all he produced was a signature “that could be found via a search engine”
Source: https://bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36213580



(13/13) And finally. The 2019 court ruling in the case between the estate of David Kleiman and Mr Craig Wright concluded that Mr Wright "willfully created fraudulent documents" and acted in "bad faith"
Source: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf

Quote from: BitMEX Research
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The court ruling in the case between the estate of David Kleiman and Mr Craig Wright has been published

The court reaches damning conclusions against Mr Wright, who "willfully created fraudulent documents" and acted in "bad faith"

https://courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf






Sourced from @BitMEXResearch tweet storm, October 13th 2019
Further reading: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper



@MyLegacyKit, October 16th 2019

Craig Wright - The TL;DR Fraud Timeline Summary

-No Blacknet whitepaper
-Handfuls of plagiarisms
-Contempt of court verdict
-Didn't write Bitcoin whitepaper
-No fibre to Bagnoo
-No Bitcoin email to Dave Kleiman
-No early paper with 90% overlap with Bitcoin whitepaper

1/10

-Didn't pay for bitcoin dot org
-Many forgeries on his blog
-Rewrites history of Hal Finney, Martti Malmi & others
-Didn't mine Bitcoin as Satoshi
-Couldn't have used Bitmessage
-Microsoft Patch Tuesday didn't ruin Genesis block
-Couldn't have used Bitcoin-Qt client in 2009

2/10

-Lies about Bitcoin reusing public keys
-Lies about USA Bitcoin mining location
-Lies about Hal Finney's first mining
-No mining son in 2010
-Only learns about Bitcoin in July 2011
-No mining to Panama trust
-No Tulip Trust in 2011
-No locked files in Tulip Trust

3/10

-No 1,100,111 BTC in Tulip Trust
-No 215,140 BTC mining contract
-No 650,000 BTC loan
-No 821,050 BTC payment to trustee
-No 300,000 BTC for W&K shares
-No 380,103 BTC payment for gold/software
-No 650,000/700,000 BTC market buy for $30 million

4/10

-Never proved large BTC transactions on the Bitcoin blockchain
-Never mentioned by investigative journalists
-Forged emails with Dave about Tulip Trust
-Backdated Directors/Shareholders in companies
-Created bogus company figures
-Only buys Bitcoin in 2013
-Can't code

5/10

-Sets up court approved W&K fraud around dead Dave Kleiman
-Tried to bring Ira Kleiman into his Bitcoin fraud
-Lied about Dave Kleiman being involved in Bitcoin
-Lied to ATO
-Lied about his role in W&K
-Lied to Bitcoin Belle
-Doxed himself to Wired/Gizmodo

6/10

-Lied to Jon Matonis, Gavin Andresen, mainstream media
-Failed multiple key signing sessions (notable: Sartre)
-Used fake & backdated Satoshi PGP keys
-Lied about running SGI supercomputers
-Lied about 2 Charles Sturt University PhD's
-ATO tax fraud verdict $1.7 million

7/10

-Makes fraudulent $54 million R&D tax concession claim
-Doesn't have Satoshi's communication style
-Truckloads of articles questioning or calling out his Satoshi claim
-Promised 10,000 patents, delivers less than 250
-Does numerous failed SegWit, LN & BTC death threats

8/10

-Gets sued by Ira Kleiman for fraud & much more
-Kleiman v. Wright lawsuit is treasure dome of forgeries, from false signatures to backdated emails, pulled false evidence & perjury
-Registered false Bitcoin copyright claim
-Gives bad reputation to people in inner circle

9/10

And then Craig Wright is surprised that people call him a fraud. So he starts a handful of libel suits, and expects to win them with rusty staples and coffee stains... 🤦‍♂️

10/10

Source: Arthur van Pelt - Dragon Industries collated tweets storm, October 16th 2019



Just stumbled across this piece of fraud that seems to of slipped under the radar, and notably wasn't referenced in Bitmex's tweet storm:



Source: https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1164384928781557765

Here's the metadump of the archived pdf showing the create date chronologically after the modify date  Roll Eyes

Code:
File Type                       : PDF
File Type Extension             : pdf
MIME Type                       : application/pdf
PDF Version                     : 1.6
Linearized                      : No
Author                          : Craig Steven Wright
Create Date                     : 2009:03:24 11:33:15-06:00
Keywords                        : Bitcoin;, Blockchain;, law;, smart, contract;, time, chain;, immutable
Modify Date                     : 2008:05:21 19:43:08+01:00
Language                        : en-GB
XMP Toolkit                     : Adobe XMP Core 1.1-c016 91.132716, 2008/10/29-16:58:49
Creator Tool                    : Writer
Metadata Date                   : 2008:05:21 19:43:08+01:00
Producer                        : OpenOffice.org 2.4
Web Statement                   : https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=8&ti=1,8&Search_Arg=bitcoin&Search_Code=TALL&CNT=25&PID=smt26T35HVzgQS6nr_ENlOg0IjL7h&SEQ=20080728095548&SID=1
Authors Position                : Dr
Caption Writer                  : Satoshi Nakamoto
Format                          : application/pdf
Title                           : Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
Description                     : Bitcoin, a peer to peer cash system
Creator                         : Craig Steven Wright
Subject                         : BitCoin, Blockchain, law, smart contract, time chain, immutable
Rights                          : (C) Craig Steven Wright.2008
Document ID                     : uuid:3658ec91-de13-42e3-9796-6369d7172efc
Instance ID                     : uuid:02a9a63b-da5a-449f-b280-36f9a69f1962
Page Count                      : 9

As a reminder this version of the whitepaper published to SSRN [archive] (has been removed) was referenced by CoinDesk in 2018, while Peter only tweeted about the fraud a year later.

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January 10, 2020, 01:00:20 PM
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That's all ?

Proof for BSV for what?


Is only see some funny Nonsens and low level Name callings from no names


BSV is original Bitcoin - read the code


It works from 2009 - no code alterations needed from any dev

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LOL STILL SHIT

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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

This is game of speculation a group of big whales just manipulating the market to trap the new investors by creating more confusion and pretending this as original coin but that is crystal it is fork of the fork so you are right and I also will do agree with you.

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January 10, 2020, 06:03:41 PM
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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BitCoin didn't change functionality and code, but sth minor, the ticker from [no ticker] to BC to ... to BSV

Nobody can change BitCoin that Satoshi designed

But you can lie to ppl and tell them BTC = Bcore+1MB+RBF+Segwit+LN + WTFdevInjects is 'Bitcoin' , cause it isn't

That doesn't work for logical / analytical thinking ppl,

it might work for poor bagholders.

 BitCoin is more

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January 11, 2020, 07:54:38 AM
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How many of you hate, don't like, disagree with BSV but hold some because of FOMO, fear to miss the train?

BSV is up by 40% today.
I bought BSV when it was under 50$ a few months ago when they announced in a conference that they forked and now big blocks are possible on the BSV chain.



I personally don't promote BSV but i as a trader i can tell it has potential to go over 1500$ sometime sooner, and watching as an spectator how some exchanges acted against BSV i can see that BSV is really a threat to other coins as is currently on the top 10 coinmarketcap and is not trade on many important exchanges.

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January 11, 2020, 08:27:01 AM
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.....

Yeah, sure, man, whatever you want... benefits above all. You might be interested in buying XRP!

In the meantime, look at this beautiful chart

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Last edit: January 12, 2020, 05:13:49 AM by nutildah
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We don't dabble in trading scamcoins here. (Edit: by this I mean BSV)

Much like the whole white paper copyright registration fake news, this is simply a pump capitalizing on false pretenses. This time, Craig's defense says the judge's sanctions were inappropriate because he could not disclose his bitcoin holdings until after receiving "the remaining cryptographic slice" from the bonded courier. The appellate court overseeing the issue agreed that they should wait until February 3rd for the courier to appear before slamming him with a half million bitcoin debt to Ira Kleiman.

However, most of what the court had to say about Wright wasn't very kind.

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The Court notes that although the Defendant was ordered to produce all documents related to the blind trust by May 9, 2019, the Defendant had still failed to timely produce all documents that he had in his possession as of the evidentiary hearing date. In fact, as late as January 6, 2020, it was the Plaintiff who advised the Court that the Defendant produced another document purportedly related to the blind trusts. Plaintiffs advise that the Defendant has not provided any explanation as to the document’s late disclosure. At the status conference on January 9, 2020, Plaintiffs also called into question the document’s authenticity.

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...the sole evidence put forward to establish the Defendant’s claim of impossibility, his own testimony, was found not to be credible by Judge Reinhart... (“I completely reject Dr. Wright’s testimony about the alleged Tulip Trust, the alleged encrypted file, and his inability to identify his bitcoin holdings . . . During his testimony, Dr. Wright’s demeanor did not impress me as someone who was telling the truth.”).

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The Court has also reviewed the transcripts from the Evidentiary Hearing held by Judge Reinhart and agrees with his credibility findings relating to Defendant. Indeed, in answering opposing counsel’s questions, the Defendant was evasive, refused to give and interpret words in their very basic meanings, was combative, and became defensive when confronted with previous inconsistencies.

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...the Court has no doubt that the Plaintiffs were prejudiced by the Defendant’s antics. It is clear to the Court that the Defendant’s conduct was anything but substantially justified or harmless. Defendant’s conduct delayed and obstructed the discovery process of this case, wasted valuable time and resources in litigating this issue, and prevented the Plaintiff from obtaining evidence that the Magistrate Judge found relevant to the Plaintiffs’ claims. Therefore, the Court rejects the Defendants’ argument that no prejudice has been suffered by the Plaintiffs as a result of the Defendant’s conduct. Such argument is entirely devoid of merit.

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Finally, the Defendant argues that at minimum he “should have been afforded the opportunity to wait until [the date the bonded courier is set to come] to see if he receives the key slices to generate the list of his bitcoin holdings, which he could then provide to plaintiffs.” Defendant contends that in the event this occurs, “even plaintiffs would have to concede that Dr. Wright’s inability to do the impossible and comply with the discovery order caused them absolutely no prejudice.” Given the Defendant’s many inconsistencies and misstatements, the Court questions whether it is remotely plausible that the mysterious “bonded courier” is going to arrive, yet alone that he will arrive in January 2020 as the Defendant now contends. However, given that the Defendant maintains that he should at least be afforded this opportunity, the Court will indulge him this much.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.373.0.pdf

The court order, while stating that Judge Reinhart's sanctions on Wright had been "improperly imposed," is still just a slam on Wright that is being cleverly re-interpreted to fool people into thinking that Wright is going to produce evidence that a bonded courier is scheduled to deliver cryptographic "slices" proving that he owns Satoshi's bitcoin stash.

Spoiler alert: He won't.

Basically, nothing new here.

Short BSV if you can.

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What the hell is Bitcoin SV? Did Roger create another Bitcoin clone as Bcash failed? LAWL epic fail
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January 12, 2020, 08:09:01 AM
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL
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Guys I guess don't engage in other thread now, you're bumping it up... ?

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January 12, 2020, 09:58:40 AM
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


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January 12, 2020, 10:07:16 AM
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Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

It sure would be a lot better than what ever else he's done to prove he's Satoshi. So far he's done nothing but tell lies.

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin

It's not. Its a fork of a fork. It contains changes made by Bitcoin Core and BCH devs. Feel free to keep spewing lies, and I'll keep correcting them.

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The sacrifice for supporting back to 0.8 vs merely (say) supporting a year or two ago is insignificant-- mostly automated tests take a little longer to run and keeping around a bit of older redundant code to support the communication requirements of older nodes.

If there were a big cost difference between three years back and six years back, then perhaps newer versions would only still talk three years back.

That isn't the case because almost all of the compatibility costs are created by having any compatibility at all. One it exists, keeping it around isn't usually a large cost.

If you're running a relatively centralized system and can just demand everyone upgrade all at once to new behaviour you've specified then some things can be implemented somewhat easier. Though interestingly, it turns out-- most things are about the same either way. Changes to commitment structures (what data gets hashed) are hard to do in compatible ways, almost everything else is easy. But assuming everyone can upgrade at once is an extraordinarily centralizing assumption.

Supporting back a couple years means that users are free to run niche or custom software. They can keep on using Bitcoin XT or "Bitcoin Classic" or their own customized versions of them if those things have features they're dependent on.

They don't have to stop what they're doing and rebuild and retest their infrastructure on someone else's schedule. They don't have to take a risk that the new code introduces some backdoor or bad interaction with their other software. They can wait until they're doing other upgrades to change to new stuff.

Old versions can be insecure in various ways but you can keep your existing stuff running with a separate newer node as a firewall to protect it.

Even if you assume that everyone will eventually upgrade to new software-- and I generally do-- users being able to do it on their own timeframe can extraordinarily reduce their costs and risks. There are very few visible nodes in the Bitcoin network <0.13.1 (less than 5%), though we can't tell what people are running privately behind firewall nodes.

There are also other alternative implementations that are limping along. They add new features but because they're much smaller than the biggest public development effort, it sometimes takes them months or a year to catch up. Fortunately, compatibility means they're not killed dead if they can't always keep up with the fastest developed implementation.

None of that works in BCH land. If you really loved Bitcoin XT, Bitcoin Classic, or some other niche version ... or just had your own patches on an older version of ABC... well you're just SOL: you can't just keep running them. Your only option is to take on an incredible amount of development work either updating the code to the new consensus rules or recreating the features you need on the new software and testing that these changes don't break anything you care about. BCH's frequent hardfork practices have demonstratively killed many (most?) of the "many implementations" that were being so heavily promoted here a couple years ago.

I think there is a lot of juicy irony that many people around here were hollering about zomg dev control but then switch to BCH and an hardfork process that crams controversial (e.g. CTOR) changes down people's throat, actively kills competing implementation, and materially reduces user's freedom to choose to not follow around some client authors latest brainfart.


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Not even mentioning BSV which is a fork of a fork of a fork.....
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers

"honor the work of Satoshi?"

what is bitcoin? a memorial? a religion even? LOL

it is a programmable money.

let's say for the sake of argument that craig is satoshi, do we believe whatever he says that "should be done in bitcoin"? answer: NO , because people involved got brains too and will come into consensus for the better/greater good and not some kind of "vision" of a person.

sorry, but injecting shit and fucking up the original protocol is special..why? because Bitcoin itself in day 1 is an injected shit to fuck up the world protocol for inflating fiat currencies.

while BitcoinSV is some injected shit to fuck up the Bitcoin revolution protocol that is taking the world by storm.

logic is indeed a bitch.

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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers

"honor the work of Satoshi?"

what is bitcoin? a memorial? a religion even? LOL

it is a programmable money.

let's say for the sake of argument that craig is satoshi, do we believe whatever he says that "should be done in bitcoin"? answer: NO , because people involved got brains too and will come into consensus for the better/greater good and not some kind of "vision" of a person.

sorry, but injecting shit and fucking up the original protocol is special..why? because Bitcoin itself in day 1 is an injected shit to fuck up the world protocol for inflating fiat currencies.

while BitcoinSV is some injected shit to fuck up the Bitcoin revolution protocol that is taking the world by storm.

logic is indeed a bitch.



It is not just 'a' programmable money. We have a lot of those

It is defined and got its name and design by its legit founder.


No chance on earth that this can be altered to be sth different and keep name, definition paper, protocol consens,..  all that. Not in the world of finance where every single thing is defined, specked, assessed,... and put down into product term sheets, disclaimers, contracts... to that deep details AS POSSIBLE! No waggy space left for scammers

If you don't get that strictness in finance, and call that religion you might need to learn a lot


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It is not just 'a' programmable money. We have a lot of those

It is defined and got its name and design by its legit founder.


No chance on earth that this can be altered to be sth different and keep name, definition paper, protocol consens,..  all that. Not in the world of finance where every single thing is defined, specked, assessed,... and put down into product term sheets, disclaimers, contracts... to that deep details AS POSSIBLE! No waggy space left for scammers

If you don't get that strictness in finance, and call that religion you might need to learn a lot




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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers

"honor the work of Satoshi?"

what is bitcoin? a memorial? a religion even? LOL

it is a programmable money.

let's say for the sake of argument that craig is satoshi, do we believe whatever he says that "should be done in bitcoin"? answer: NO , because people involved got brains too and will come into consensus for the better/greater good and not some kind of "vision" of a person.

sorry, but injecting shit and fucking up the original protocol is special..why? because Bitcoin itself in day 1 is an injected shit to fuck up the world protocol for inflating fiat currencies.

while BitcoinSV is some injected shit to fuck up the Bitcoin revolution protocol that is taking the world by storm.

logic is indeed a bitch.



It is not just 'a' programmable money. We have a lot of those

It is defined and got its name and design by its legit founder.


No chance on earth that this can be altered to be sth different and keep name, definition paper, protocol consens,..  all that. Not in the world of finance where every single thing is defined, specked, assessed,... and put down into product term sheets, disclaimers, contracts... to that deep details AS POSSIBLE! No waggy space left for scammers

If you don't get that strictness in finance, and call that religion you might need to learn a lot



I programmed my dog, i told it to sit and it sat.......it is still a dog LOL

man...fuck finance, i bought a bark from the dog with a cookie. TX-RX (transaction) did complete.
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January 12, 2020, 05:46:57 PM
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers

"honor the work of Satoshi?"

what is bitcoin? a memorial? a religion even? LOL

it is a programmable money.

let's say for the sake of argument that craig is satoshi, do we believe whatever he says that "should be done in bitcoin"? answer: NO , because people involved got brains too and will come into consensus for the better/greater good and not some kind of "vision" of a person.

sorry, but injecting shit and fucking up the original protocol is special..why? because Bitcoin itself in day 1 is an injected shit to fuck up the world protocol for inflating fiat currencies.

while BitcoinSV is some injected shit to fuck up the Bitcoin revolution protocol that is taking the world by storm.

logic is indeed a bitch.



It is not just 'a' programmable money. We have a lot of those

It is defined and got its name and design by its legit founder.


No chance on earth that this can be altered to be sth different and keep name, definition paper, protocol consens,..  all that. Not in the world of finance where every single thing is defined, specked, assessed,... and put down into product term sheets, disclaimers, contracts... to that deep details AS POSSIBLE! No waggy space left for scammers

If you don't get that strictness in finance, and call that religion you might need to learn a lot



I programmed my dog, i told it to sit and it sat.......it is still a dog LOL

man...fuck finance, i bought a bark from the dog with a cookie. TX-RX (transaction) did complete.

SoV wannabe triggered.

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Love it. While I can't do much I have used whatever bump power I have to help keep this thread visible.

Discussion without censorship let's have it.

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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.

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How many of you hate, don't like, disagree with BSV but hold some because of FOMO, fear to miss the train?

BSV is up by 40% today.
I bought BSV when it was under 50$ a few months ago when they announced in a conference that they forked and now big blocks are possible on the BSV chain.

...snip...

I personally don't promote BSV but i as a trader i can tell it has potential to go over 1500$ sometime sooner, and watching as an spectator how some exchanges acted against BSV i can see that BSV is really a threat to other coins as is currently on the top 10 coinmarketcap and is not trade on many important exchanges.


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Roll Eyes

No Fear Of Missing Out here whatsoever. $BSV held ... zero, zip, zilch, nada - none.

...

It took Bitcoin (BTC) around 11 years to reach a blockchain size of 250GB+ with transactions alone and a 1MB+ blocksize.

The BSV genesis 'update' intends to increase the BSV blocksize to 1GB+ per block to allow for data storage, as well as the transactions going into blocks and the blockchain ... Bitcoin is about Financial Cryptography, not data generic data storage.

How long do you think it will take before the BSV blockchain gets to big to download and/or store on a continual and decentralized basis ?

Imagine trying to store every torrent on the internet on your computer, not the .torrent's, but the actual files ! lolz

Now imagine all of the 'illegal' and problem content that can be uploaded on an immutable basis.

Child abuse images hidden in crypto-currency blockchain (BSV) ... Ewww ...  Cry

- https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47130268

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BSV is a fork of a fork of (a copy of a copy of) BCH > BSV. See the OP.

Imagine being an exchange that allows a questionable fork of BTC to be effectively traded against its own historical chain of 'split' transactions ! lolz

Now imagine creating a 2nd USD and allowing it to be traded against the 1st USD.

...

Also, If/when TX volume goes up, fees increase. Hence, BSV has not fixed a scaling 'problem' at all, it will make it worse.

...

Notice that I haven't even mentioned any of the other actions or fabrications by the BSV creators, and yet, which ever way you look at it - BSV likely ends up totally 'borked'.

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Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

It sure would be a lot better than what ever else he's done to prove he's Satoshi. So far he's done nothing but tell lies.

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin

It's not. Its a fork of a fork. It contains changes made by Bitcoin Core and BCH devs. Feel free to keep spewing lies, and I'll keep correcting them.

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January 13, 2020, 06:36:07 AM
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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.


Anything on GitHub is a copy, we live digital. Lots of trolls are just copies...

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

More like BitCoin, cause BitCoin doesn't care about tickers and alterations

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Bounded courier arrived?



He's said everything from he's going to wreck the market on January 1st to he won't ever have access to the bitcoins to now this. So he covered his bases regardless of what happens.

Here's how this will play out:

Craig will claim that even though he received a remaining key slice from the bonded courier, he can't put them together because he doesn't have access to any number of the remaining 7 slices.

Therefore, he will get to continue claiming that he is Satoshi forever, because part of the lie will entail him never receiving the other missing slice(s).

No bitcoins from Satoshi's stash will ever be moved. At least not by Craig.


So, if you're a BSVtard, or just a complicit chump, this plays out perfectly for you.

To everybody else, its just more proof that Craig is full of shit.

Whatever happens, Craig will get to continue his lie, and no bitcoins will be moved. He designed this outcome specifically to appease his major backers. Also whatever happens, Craig will still be on the hook for Kleiman's attorney fees.

BTW: Nice post edit, chump.

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

Its not. Its a fork of a fork. BSV contains changes by Core and BCH developers. This is verifiable by checking its commit history on GitHub. You've just swallowed a lie whole and you keep repeating it in hopes you won't be corrected.

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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.


Anything on GitHub is a copy, we live digital. Lots of trolls are just copies...

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

More like BitCoin, cause BitCoin doesn't care about tickers and alterations

imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

even if craig is satoshi (for the sake of argument), nobody will follow him.

get over with this satoshi fetish, go find the person who taught satoshi how to use a computer and make a statue of him/her. even better find satoshi's father and lick his balls, you'll never know you might get a satoshi sperm or two..dig him from the grave if you must  Wink
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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.


Anything on GitHub is a copy, we live digital. Lots of trolls are just copies...

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

More like BitCoin, cause BitCoin doesn't care about tickers and alterations

imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

even if craig is satoshi (for the sake of argument), nobody will follow him.

get over with this satoshi fetish, go find the person who taught satoshi how to use a computer and make a statue of him/her. even better find satoshi's father and lick his balls, you'll never know you might get a satoshi sperm or two..dig him from the grave if you must  Wink

But Satoshi or Craig Wright how you want to call him said that "the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1611#msg1611

So was designed from the start to be a form of stable money, Bitcoin SV will return Bitcoin to what it was supposed to be, from the start and at 0.1.

So the example about Henry Ford is irrelevant.

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imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

But Satoshi or Craig Wright how you want to call him said that "the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1611#msg1611

So was designed from the start to be a form of stable money, Bitcoin SV will return Bitcoin to what it was supposed to be, from the start and at 0.1.

So the example about Henry Ford is irrelevant.


Its actually a great analogy.

Craig is claiming his car is a Ford Model T when in actuality under the hood its closer to a Toyota Corolla. If he wanted to recreate the Model T, he would have just cloned the Model T instead of including all the modernizations introduced in generations (builds) afterward.

To complete the analogy, modern Bitcoin (0.19) is more like a Ford Fusion sedan. It makes use of the latest innovations in the industry to deliver an advanced version of the original product, one that couldn't have been fathomable during Henry Ford's time.

If you want to be religious about it and say the Model T is the only true car, well have fun, but don't expect other people to follow.

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January 13, 2020, 08:30:13 AM
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imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

But Satoshi or Craig Wright how you want to call him said that "the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1611#msg1611

So was designed from the start to be a form of stable money, Bitcoin SV will return Bitcoin to what it was supposed to be, from the start and at 0.1.

So the example about Henry Ford is irrelevant.


Its actually a great analogy.

Craig is claiming his car is a Ford Model T when in actuality under the hood its closer to a Toyota Corolla. If he wanted to recreate the Model T, he would have just cloned the Model T instead of including all the modernizations introduced in generations (builds) afterward.

To complete the analogy, modern Bitcoin (0.19) is more like a Ford Fusion sedan. It makes use of the latest innovations in the industry to deliver an advanced version of the original product, one that couldn't have been fathomable during Henry Ford's time.

If you want to be religious about it and say the Model T is the only true car, well have fun, but don't expect other people to follow.

Thank you for your good explanation my good friend Mr nutildah, i am still learning about all this BSV - BTC - BCH fight.

By the way, Craig owns a Lambo


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(lies)...

(picture of vroom vroom)

Obviously we're in no way friends, as friends don't write horribly stupid shit about each other in threads opened by trolls. Nor do they leave frivolous flags on one another.

I don't give a shit if Craig owns a hundred lambos. It doesn't un-make him a fraud. All your years working for scam exchanges must have convinced you that the only thing important in life is money. That's a shame.

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(lies)...

(picture of vroom vroom)

Obviously we're in no way friends, as friends don't write horribly stupid shit about each other in threads opened by trolls. Nor do they leave frivolous flags on one another.

I don't give a shit if Craig owns a hundred lambos. It doesn't un-make him a fraud. All your years working for scam exchanges must have convinced you that the only thing important in life is money. That's a shame.

My friend nutildah, yes we are friends, and i know that inside that toxic shield you hide there is a person full of love, i have always told you that for me you will always get true love. Of course politics are other thing, that post i wrote that you say is "horribly stupid shit" is true, you get little toxic sometimes, and must be because male hysteria. Regarding the flags, you deserve that so don't get upset about it, you have left some negative trust on me and i accept it and i am not remaind you every day about those negative trust, so why don't you accept it and learn to live with it?

Our relationship remaind me to Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un, sometimes there is love, hug and kisses, and sometimes there are missiles, insults and war.



By the way, i was learning more about BSV and BTC, do you think Craig is right about the SegWit exploit?
Info about this bug can be found here https://medium.com/@adam_selene/the-segwit-15-attack-b0ecbb926777

So now think for a moment if this happens


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January 13, 2020, 10:21:24 AM
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(more trolling)

Fine, if you insist on following me around, trolling me from thread to thread, then I can't stop you. Have at it, douchebag. You're not the first scammer I busted who remains obsessed with me, and you won't be the last.

By the way, i was learning more about BSV and BTC, do you think Craig is right about the SegWit exploit?
Info about this bug can be found here https://medium.com/@adam_selene/the-segwit-15-attack-b0ecbb926777

So now think for a moment if this happens



Won't ever happen. Just more FUD by crypto's biggest charlatan. It used to be Roger Ver but Craig worked hard to overshadow him in the fall of 2018.

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January 13, 2020, 11:04:46 AM
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(more trolling)

Fine, if you insist on following me around, trolling me from thread to thread, then I can't stop you. Have at it, douchebag. You're not the first scammer I busted who remains obsessed with me, and you won't be the last.


Not at all my good friend Mr nutildah, not trolling and not obsessed with you you, i only want to have a serious conversation about BSV, if you want to bust me or whatever you want to do please do it but try to keep this post on topic, i know you like to sabotage and make some treads off topics.

Anyone here see it possible in the short term that BSV price will overtake BCH?



I can see that the level of crypto twitter toxicity has increased recently, maybe because BSV price is getting closer to BCH, imagine how it will be when BSV price became closer to BTC...  Shocked

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January 13, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
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Anyone here see it possible in the short term that BSV price will overtake BCH?



I can see that the level of crypto twitter toxicity has increased recently, maybe because BSV price is getting closer to BCH, imagine how it will be when BSV price became closer to BTC...  Shocked

BSV doesn't have much liquidity so it could pump again, but it would still be nowhere near BCH. It will never get anywhere near BTC either. Projects built on a foundation of lies are never very successful.

The intellectual caliber of your posts is more suited for the moderated thread. Perhaps you should be posting your questions there. Oh, but I don't post in that thread, so what fun would it be for you?  Roll Eyes

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Anyone here see it possible in the short term that BSV price will overtake BCH?



I can see that the level of crypto twitter toxicity has increased recently, maybe because BSV price is getting closer to BCH, imagine how it will be when BSV price became closer to BTC...  Shocked

BSV doesn't have much liquidity so it could pump again, but it would still be nowhere near BCH. It will never get anywhere near BTC either. Projects built on a foundation of lies are never very successful.

Your caliber of posts is more suited for the moderated thread. Perhaps you should be posting your questions there. Oh, but I don't post in that thread, so what fun would it be for you?  Roll Eyes

I actually prefer this moderated thread, i think i posted once on the unmoderated, but is more fun here.
I really have to thanks BitcoinFX for creating this unmoderated thread, it was really needed on the forum, it is always good to know what those who oppose BSV want to say.

By the way, i want to make clear that i am not shilling BSV, i just want to participate and learn more about it, for me is hard to understand how BTC supporters don't like big blocks and why BSV supporters don't like Segwit , and why BCH supporters say BCH is the real bitcoin.

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great so cryptotourist bless him and corner have somehow bumped the self-mod thread to the front page of this shithole forum.
Guessing without any research all these are the same twat
https://archive.is/gdnla
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432181
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2624048
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2729009
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2708940
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446
guessing they slipped him what fifty quid should keep him in vodka and xlep for a month fucking twat

edit now it's a full house ?? https://archive.is/ScoB7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710137
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2447673
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2580706
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363428

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lol gtfo out of here with this bullshit fake all fucking pump hahaha

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edit now it's a full house ?? https://archive.is/ScoB7

LOL. Those are all alts of korner (Bitcoin SV). The Bitcoin SV account has been temp banned, so he is doing a lot of talking to himself.  Cheesy

The irony is I bet he doesn't even own 1 BSV. He's just a nutcake with way too much time on his hands.

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January 13, 2020, 03:42:27 PM
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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.


Anything on GitHub is a copy, we live digital. Lots of trolls are just copies...

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

More like BitCoin, cause BitCoin doesn't care about tickers and alterations

imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

even if craig is satoshi (for the sake of argument), nobody will follow him.

get over with this satoshi fetish, go find the person who taught satoshi how to use a computer and make a statue of him/her. even better find satoshi's father and lick his balls, you'll never know you might get a satoshi sperm or two..dig him from the grave if you must  Wink

But Satoshi or Craig Wright how you want to call him said that "the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1611#msg1611

So was designed from the start to be a form of stable money, Bitcoin SV will return Bitcoin to what it was supposed to be, from the start and at 0.1.

So the example about Henry Ford is irrelevant.




yeah, the core design is set in stone. you got 4 wheels and you steer it to the right direction..unless you want cars to stay that way LOL

The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.....

--snip--

The design supports a tremendous variety of possible transaction types that I designed years ago.  Escrow transactions, bonded contracts, third party arbitration, multi-party signature, etc.  If Bitcoin catches on in a big way, these are things we'll want to explore in the future, but they all had to be designed at the beginning to make sure they would be possible later.

--snip--

to cut it short satoshi simply means the design is set in stone and we continue development in to the future.

satoshi left, we develop and continue developing just as planned. so what's the problem?


your "original bitcoin" narrative --> broken! (the purity, the original pitch  Cheesy)

your "craig is satoshi" narrative --> broken! (the second coming pitch  Cheesy )

now you resort to cars, craig owns a Lamborghini --> it wasn't the orginal design BTW even craig's suit is not the original design LOL! (well he is rich pitch  Cheesy )

i know your type.. it works on dumbass plebs, not here asshole.

also, don't try to pick and choose satoshi sentences, at least try to understand what he said.
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that's not a lambo he owns.  it's a 1988 pontiac fiero kit car HAHAHHAHAHA with 2.8L v6

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Too much ticker thinkers and brain max block sizers here.

BitCoin is just too abstract to cast it into ur 1dim capacity.


BitCoin is a protocol and generates an economic self constructing system by incentives.

Thats not just a dumb car or a coin

But too good material to troll over right ?

Nice party here  lol

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...snip ...

Nice party here  lol

Sure ...

"For those who didn't realize it yet, this is a rare picture of the #Faketoshi/BSV scam team together. They set up the whole thing in 2015. From left to right: Calvin Ayre, Jimmy Nguyen, Craig Wright and Stefan Matthews."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1216673257065209862

...

Seems there is a bit of interest to let good old BitCoin protocol alive and running

*Sarcasm*

"... "Keys have arrived." "Real?" "Yep" That's what we needed to get this thing to $200. 👍 ..."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1216653840956653569

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*Not Sarcasm*

"And don't get me wrong here. This is nothing less than a fabricated scam, a pump 'n' dump orchestrated by the people on the helm. Don't trade on this, ever. Stay out."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1216655083838025728

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See: the  #faketoshi  fraud  timeline ...
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/mylegacykit.html

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..

BitCoin is a protocol and generates an economic self constructing system by incentives.

..

where you can do whatever you like...like forking to a new chain, shilling it, spread misinformation and do other scammy stuff, right?..now how do we call this?---> a shitcoin Grin with a sales pitch of "this is the real bitcoin"


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BSV is up another 20% today, and since my last post of yesterday is up two positions on Coinmarketcap, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216304.msg53592422#msg53592422 it has overtaken EOS and Litecoin, now only needs to overtake Tether to fight for the Number 4 position with BCH.

It really seems like BSV price will surge as crypto twitter is becoming more toxic by the hour with BTC personalities trying to trash the Satoshi Vision.





On other news, Calvin Ayre had his villa in the Philippines covered by ash from the volcano Taal.



To my good friend nutildah i can confirm that here are no reports of ashes falling near the bar lollipop, the girls are working as normal.


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Holey moley.

But pls do not get blind by speculation

We ve learned from segwit ponzi and eth oligarchy that is a sad end for BitCoin s functionality

Bagholding is for the dumbest. Whales will always rape little joes. No different for any financial system


Only thing that helps little joe is transparency and simple stable rules / protocols

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Holey moley.

But pls do not get blind by speculation

We ve learned from segwit ponzi and eth oligarchy that is a sad end for BitCoin s functionality

Bagholding is for the dumbest. Whales will always rape little joes. No different for any financial system


Only thing that helps little joe is transparency and simple stable rules / protocols

Is there a way that an everyday user can verify transparency as honest transparency and not misleading transparency?
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Holey moley.

But pls do not get blind by speculation

We ve learned from segwit ponzi and eth oligarchy that is a sad end for BitCoin s functionality

Bagholding is for the dumbest. Whales will always rape little joes. No different for any financial system


Only thing that helps little joe is transparency and simple stable rules / protocols

Is there a way that an everyday user can verify transparency as honest transparency and not misleading transparency?

If you add to that speculation and wannabe Nostradamus then the situation get more complex.
Like this account i am following on Twitter, he actually nail il with his prediction.

Do you think Coinbase will add BSV before or after the CoinGeek February conference?


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Holey moley.

But pls do not get blind by speculation

We ve learned from segwit ponzi and eth oligarchy that is a sad end for BitCoin s functionality

Bagholding is for the dumbest. Whales will always rape little joes. No different for any financial system


Only thing that helps little joe is transparency and simple stable rules / protocols

Is there a way that an everyday user can verify transparency as honest transparency and not misleading transparency?

If you add to that speculation and wannabe Nostradamus then the situation get more complex.
Like this account i am following on Twitter, he actually nail il with his prediction.

Do you think Coinbase will add BSV before or after the CoinGeek February conference?




- https://twitter.com/grinder_o/status/1216721183657406464

"imagine creating possibly one of the most revolutionary ideas/products of our lifetime, based on the foundation of proof of work... and then not being able to prove your work🤦‍♂️"
- https://twitter.com/EMckoon3/status/1216788123167928320

...

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Project Anastasia: Bitcoiners Against Identity Theft

Craig Wright is an identity thief who has taken the name Satoshi Nakamoto - prove me wrong!

My Old Wallet Address: 1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp created 15/02/2010 15:20

Why can't Craig Wright do this?

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066.0

Not Your Private Keys, Not Your Bitcoin.

Don't trust, verify.

Signed by BitcoinFX - bitcointalk.org - January 6th, 2020
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp
G7/SRVNoiHQp0/hWWFBiKACp1OJfvytLudcp855eptMnZyvrGKymAdB98yrrHtV9H+jQvgpcmfcF1011bVUQHRI=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

- https://brainwalletx.github.io/#verify?vrAddr=1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp&vrMsg=Project%20Anastasia%3A%20Bitcoiners%20Against%20Identity%20Theft%0A%0ACraig%20Wright%20is%20an%20identity%20thief%20who%20has%20taken%20the%20name%20Satoshi%20Nakamoto%20-%20prove%20me%20wrong!%0A%0AMy%20Old%20Wallet%20Address%3A%201JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp%20created%2015%2F02%2F2010%2015%3A20%0A%0AWhy%20can't%20Craig%20Wright%20do%20this%3F%20%0A%0AVerifying%20my%20(old)%20zero%20balance%20wallet%20address%20for%20blockchain%20research%20etc.%2C%0A%0A-%20https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D4630066.0%0A%0ANot%20Your%20Private%20Keys%2C%20Not%20Your%20Bitcoin.%0A%0ADon't%20trust%2C%20verify.%0A%0ASigned%20by%20BitcoinFX%20-%20bitcointalk.org%20-%20January%206th%2C%202020&vrSig=G7%2FSRVNoiHQp0%2FhWWFBiKACp1OJfvytLudcp855eptMnZyvrGKymAdB98yrrHtV9H%2BjQvgpcmfcF1011bVUQHRI%3D

- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp

...

Whilst the identity theft of princess Anastasia is an excellent analogy, I have long thought that the 'Tichborne case' also provides a very fitting example to describe the actions of CSW ...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tichborne_case  a.k.a "The Tichborne Claimant"

"... the man who lost himself still walks in history, with no other name than that which the common voice of his day accorded him: the Claimant ..."

...

"We're in the low side of my prediction. It might still go up a bit more, but I think from roughly here ($190 - $210 range) it will start crashing again to new all time lows around $35. Or 0.005 BTC, whatever comes first."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1216894024537329664

"And the next leg of the pump is almost coming to an end. This is roughly where I see it end in this quarter, but if Calvin is serious about the 4th position he will pump it to $300. Let's see. @SEC_Enforcement should be following this with interest, I hope! Keep you posted."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1216993798359781376

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Coinbase is never going to add BSV, not after several other exchanges actually and actively delisted it some time ago.

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I think that 4th possition will happen faster than everybody thinks.
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i like how BSV supporters have gone from..

original code to satoshi vision to craig is rich to calvin is rich to someone has been into a brothel  Grin and latest now....the price.

regarding the price anything can pump in crypto land...so there you go BSV supporters only lasted until page 3 LOL...

...new folks out here you only have to read until page 3 and save yourselves from some technical stuff, time and energy. that is all you need to know  Wink
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i like how BSV supporters have gone from..

original code to satoshi vision to craig is rich to calvin is rich to someone has been into a brothel  Grin and latest now....the price.

regarding the price anything can pump in crypto land...so there you go BSV supporters only lasted until page 3 LOL...

...new folks out here you only have to read until page 3 and save yourselves from some technical stuff, time and energy. that is all you need to know  Wink

Interesting, you say that there are some supporters here, i have read all the tread and i cannot find anyone supporting BSV

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i like how BSV supporters have gone from..

original code to satoshi vision to craig is rich to calvin is rich to someone has been into a brothel  Grin and latest now....the price.

regarding the price anything can pump in crypto land...so there you go BSV supporters only lasted until page 3 LOL...

...new folks out here you only have to read until page 3 and save yourselves from some technical stuff, time and energy. that is all you need to know  Wink

Interesting, you say that there are some supporters here, i have read all the tread and i cannot find anyone supporting BSV

and now

BSV supporters : i got nothing to do with BSV....

HAHAHA  Grin

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This guy explains btc trolling

https://mobile.twitter.com/siosism/status/1216909908584460288

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Quote
This is called resilience.


all this years shitcoining around here. trust me when i say decentralize blockchain is inherently resilient, just look at tons and tons of shitcoins from 2012-2013 that is still alive LOL.

nothing new with resilience  Tongue
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i like how BSV supporters have gone from..

original code to satoshi vision to craig is rich to calvin is rich to someone has been into a brothel  Grin and latest now....the price.

regarding the price anything can pump in crypto land...so there you go BSV supporters only lasted until page 3 LOL...

...new folks out here you only have to read until page 3 and save yourselves from some technical stuff, time and energy. that is all you need to know  Wink

Interesting, you say that there are some supporters here, i have read all the tread and i cannot find anyone supporting BSV

and now

BSV supporters : i got nothing to do with BSV....

HAHAHA  Grin

~ FIN ~

Hmm, interesting, is like you are kind of softly and ironically accusing me of being a BSV supporter.
Why you don't like BSV? is because of the big blocks?


So that guy on twitter is saying that BSV is Bitcoin?


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i like how BSV supporters have gone from..

original code to satoshi vision to craig is rich to calvin is rich to someone has been into a brothel  Grin and latest now....the price.

regarding the price anything can pump in crypto land...so there you go BSV supporters only lasted until page 3 LOL...

...new folks out here you only have to read until page 3 and save yourselves from some technical stuff, time and energy. that is all you need to know  Wink

Interesting, you say that there are some supporters here, i have read all the tread and i cannot find anyone supporting BSV

and now

BSV supporters : i got nothing to do with BSV....

HAHAHA  Grin

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Hmm, interesting, is like you are kind of softly and ironically accusing me of being a BSV supporter.
Why you don't like BSV? is because of the big blocks?

a fork is an attack and money generator. plain and simple.

let's say for the sake of argument, the bitcoin community made a wrong decision with the code. do you think it/we will not correct ourselves? believe me it will correct. why? it can happen, shitcoining gives you an insight of what may and could.

back to cars analogy..asbestos was used, it was wrong to use it since it is cancer causing and then we removed it from cars....cars still exist.

so you schemers fork off, what will you have? coins from the previous blockchain and the new blockchain.

you market the new blockchain with the best marketing you could think of --this is the true bitcoin (*insert your arguments*)..then people buy, you get rich, may exit sooner or continue the charade as long as possible as long as there is money in it.
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a fork is an attack and money generator. plain and simple.


So when BTC did the Segwit fork it was an inside attack?


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a fork is an attack and money generator. plain and simple.


So when BTC did the Segwit fork it was an inside attack?


you didn't get it..what i mean with fork is forking and having a new blockchain outside the first blockchain

coins fork to implement stuff you know.
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BSV is now fighting for #4 position.

This has been a really enjobable ride, from 50$ to 300$
I am now 6X gain



BSV is pumping like crazy, i will check back again tomorrow and post another screenshot.

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BSV is now fighting for #4 position.

This has been a really enjobable ride, from 50$ to 300$
I am now 5X gain



BSV is pumping like crazy, i will check back again tomorrow and post another screenshot.

Good luck with the ride.

But just a little warning, if you don't ever get down, the ride will throw all of you out.  Grin

 
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Oh my!!

Cannot believe my eyes, BSV is now #4



It happened so fast

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Oh my!!

Cannot believe my eyes, BSV is now #4


It happened so fast

BSV is now fighting for #4 position.

This has been a really enjobable ride, from 50$ to 300$
I am now 6X gain


BSV is pumping like crazy, i will check back again tomorrow and post another screenshot.

enjoy your shitcoining. best wishes  Wink
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January 14, 2020, 04:10:08 PM
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Oh my!!

Cannot believe my eyes, BSV is now #4


It happened so fast

BSV is now fighting for #4 position.

This has been a really enjobable ride, from 50$ to 300$
I am now 6X gain


BSV is pumping like crazy, i will check back again tomorrow and post another screenshot.

enjoy your shitcoining. best wishes  Wink

Yes i am.
This is a good trade, i will wait for 10x and cash out a part of it.

arielbit do you think Satoshi is selling his BTC and BCH and buying BSV?


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Bullshit or not, financially it is (was) a good opportunity.

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Yes, when i post something here i get too much negativity, everybody seem to be a financial adviser, like why i should not trade the Bitcoin SV Original Satoshi Vision, when i see the comparison between BSV and other BT-x coins like BTC or BCH i see BSV way more superior because it big blocks and is set in stone, i still don't understand why should i not keep investing in BSV, i obviously not listening the trolls, and i will keep my bags at least until i reach 10x

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Bullshit or not, financially it is (was) a good opportunity.

If bcash SV is such a great project, there is no such thing as "was."  

Convert all of your bitcoin to bcash sv as soon as possible.  that will be the thing to do, don't be talking about no "was" in terms of opportunities in bcash sv, especially if you really believe in that project, go "all the fuck in" as soon as possible because surely there is going to first be a bcash abc flippening and thereafter coming after bitcoin (the real one).... which would be another flippening..,  Of course, the flippening of xrp and ethereum along the way will be fun little stops, too....      Go "all the fuck in" bcash sv and stop talking about "was".  You will thank me later.   Wink

Yes, when i post something here i get too much negativity, everybody seem to be a financial adviser, like why i should not trade the Bitcoin SV Original Satoshi Vision, when i see the comparison between BSV and other BT-x coins like BTC or BCH i see BSV way more superior because it big blocks and is set in stone, i still don't understand why should i not keep investing in BSV, i obviously not listening the trolls, and i will keep my bags at least until i reach 10x

Exactly!!!!!  That's the spirit, fratoshi.  Keep buying bcash SV.. or at least HODLing it.. because it is certainly going UP from here... a minimum of 10x.   Wink

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Oh my!!

Cannot believe my eyes, BSV is now #4


It happened so fast

BSV is now fighting for #4 position.

This has been a really enjobable ride, from 50$ to 300$
I am now 6X gain


BSV is pumping like crazy, i will check back again tomorrow and post another screenshot.

enjoy your shitcoining. best wishes  Wink

Yes i am.
This is a good trade, i will wait for 10x and cash out a part of it.

arielbit do you think Satoshi is selling his BTC and BCH and buying BSV?


10x is a good deal...in the height of a bullrun 10x is just a norm...some can go 100x even 1000x

just watch BTC block explorer for satoshi address if it moves to exchanges addresses only then it might be selling..tweets are for twats for proving coin movements LOL  Grin
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Too much sentimentality come from old users. Everyone should do its own research and invest according to it. just to be clear, i've never bought any BSV, but there is one fact which is really unacceptable for me regarding BSV: EXCHANGES delisted it because of the statements of one person... Thats a very unprofessional, more like a joke.

 


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Too much sentimentality come from old users. Everyone should do its own research and invest according to it. just to be clear, i've never bought any BSV, but there is one fact which is really unacceptable for me regarding BSV: EXCHANGES delisted it because of the statements of one person... Thats a very unprofessional, more like a joke.

Sometimes one person knows more than a thousand, or even a hundred thousand.

Wake me up when Craig signs a message from the Genesis block. Frankly any address with untouched Satoshi stash coins will do, so long as he signs it for all the public to see.

Until then, he's still a fraud.

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Until then, he's still a fraud.


I don't understand much about the Satoshi drama, but is good to know the sentiment of some Bitcoin maximalist that Craig is only a fraud for the moment, and when he finally prove that he is Satoshi then the flippening will happen faster than what we though.

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Until then, he's still a fraud.

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I have always wondered why any of the large BTC whales are not dumping BSV coins

Like the Winklevoss twins, and any early OG from the forum.
All together you guys may have hundred of thousands of BTC (and subsequent forks).

Surely with the limited number of exchanges accepting BSV, it would be easy to dump that shit and increase your bag of BTC.

Pero, I sold all my BSV at $60 mark early 2019.  (obviously selling today would have been more profitable).
I sold to be able to tell myself that I don't own any of that faketoshi shitty coin.

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I have always wondered why any of the large BTC whales are not dumping BSV coins

Like the Winklevoss twins, and any early OG from the forum.
All together you guys may have hundred of thousands of BTC (and subsequent forks).

Surely with the limited number of exchanges accepting BSV, it would be easy to dump that shit and increase your bag of BTC.

Pero, I sold all my BSV at $60 mark early 2019.  (obviously selling today would have been more profitable).
I sold to be able to tell myself that I don't own any of that faketoshi shitty coin.

Almost no reason for any BTC holder to own that shit.  First they would have had to own some Bcash at the time of the bcash sv fork, so there is NOT much reason for any BTC holder to hold Bcash, unless they happened to have NOT split their bcash from their BTC in late 2017.. sure there are some folks who have not touched any of those coins.. but that hardly leads anyone to believe that there should be peeps with brains who own bcash SV... .,.

So, any ability to sell BSV will rely on buyers, and whether you diptwats who support Bcash SV keep buying into the baloney bullshit will show whether faketoshi or is casino buddy are going to be able to cash out any profits.  Up to you whether you decide to pay those two scammers and/or any of the other diptwats on their team supporting such lying scum scammers.

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I think BSVBTC could work out a nice short trade on a shorter time-frame. After a 100% gain in a day, I don't see much more upside, only Craig & co dumping bags:



Could be wrong, but worth the risk reward in my opinion. Completely overbought, though conflicting indicators as Bitfinex shows heavy selling pressure from a ridiculous wick to 0.24 btc, whereas Bittrex and others shows strong buying pressure (as there wasn't much of a sell off).

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Almost no reason for any BTC holder to own that shit.  First they would have had to own some Bcash at the time of the bcash sv fork, so there is NOT much reason for any BTC holder to hold Bcash, unless they happened to have NOT split their bcash from their BTC in late 2017.. sure there are some folks who have not touched any of those coins.. but that hardly leads anyone to believe that there should be peeps with brains who own bcash SV... .,.

So, any ability to sell BSV will rely on buyers, and whether you diptwats who support Bcash SV keep buying into the baloney bullshit will show whether faketoshi or is casino buddy are going to be able to cash out any profits.  Up to you whether you decide to pay those two scammers and/or any of the other diptwats on their team supporting such lying scum scammers.


I disagree with you.
Up to a few weeks ago the forum had 500+ BSV and BCH  (from the funds returned by Ognasty)

Many whales could have unmoved BTC bought in the  2014-2015-2016
Basically anyone that had BTC before august 2017 and that didn't sold the BCH also has the BSV.

For example, the dude that gave 2 batches of 50BTC to the Grin project from unmoved coins since their mining in 2011.
I believe a guy like this would have dozen of thousands of BTC.

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I think BSVBTC could work out a nice short trade on a shorter time-frame. After a 100% gain in a day, I don't see much more upside, only Craig & co dumping bags:



Could be wrong, but worth the risk reward in my opinion. Completely overbought, though conflicting indicators as Bitfinex shows heavy selling pressure from a ridiculous wick to 0.24 btc, whereas Bittrex and others shows strong buying pressure (as there wasn't much of a sell off).

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Almost no reason for any BTC holder to own that shit.  First they would have had to own some Bcash at the time of the bcash sv fork, so there is NOT much reason for any BTC holder to hold Bcash, unless they happened to have NOT split their bcash from their BTC in late 2017.. sure there are some folks who have not touched any of those coins.. but that hardly leads anyone to believe that there should be peeps with brains who own bcash SV... .,.

So, any ability to sell BSV will rely on buyers, and whether you diptwats who support Bcash SV keep buying into the baloney bullshit will show whether faketoshi or is casino buddy are going to be able to cash out any profits.  Up to you whether you decide to pay those two scammers and/or any of the other diptwats on their team supporting such lying scum scammers.


I disagree with you.
Up to a few weeks ago the forum had 500+ BSV and BCH  (from the funds returned by Ognasty)

Many whales could have unmoved BTC bought in the  2014-2015-2016
Basically anyone that had BTC before august 2017 and that didn't sold the BCH also has the BSV.

For example, the dude that gave 2 batches of 50BTC to the Grin project from unmoved coins since their mining in 2011.
I believe a guy like this would have dozen of thousands of BTC.

Fair enough.. but whether any of these bcash sv holders are going to split their coins or go through the process of transferring them to any of the still existing exchanges that trade that crap might be another story.  They might choose just to just ignore the obvious scam project.  Of course, if the price goes high enough, they might change their thinking, too.  We can agree to disagree and not necessarily continue to speculate regarding what factors might motivate the splitting and movement of bcash sv coins that still are likely out there.

Of course, there is the little shenanigans that scammer csw and casino buddy are planning to allow for them to have possession of all of those non-moved coins.. so there is that ploy that is going on too, so really surprising that anyone would give any value to such an obvious scam that relies upon ongoing pumpening so that they can dump coins that previously were not even theirs... hahahahahaha.. Maybe we can also agree that their level of scum is very creative.   Wink Wink

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- https://twitter.com/mygooglev0ice/status/1217209373820444672

- https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.376.0_1.pdf

 Lips sealed

Are they even aware that this speculation is about an unconfirmed rumor? The element containing the information will be censored. No one will be able to verify it. The supporters will be disillusioned.

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"Bla, bla, bla, meaningless #Faketoshi bullshit and:

"Dr Wright has produced a list of his bitcoin holdings" (per December 31, 2013 I presume)

What a turmoil today, guys, only for 17.63970342 BTC on Mt Gox, don't you think? 🤷‍♂️"

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January 15, 2020, 04:10:22 AM
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Satoshi got the keys.
He filled.


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January 15, 2020, 04:25:29 AM
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Until then, he's still a fraud.


I don't understand much about the Satoshi drama, but is good to know the sentiment of some Bitcoin maximalist that Craig is only a fraud for the moment, and when he finally prove that he is Satoshi then the flippening will happen faster than what we though.

But why hold the proof, the ultimate proof, too long? This has become a useless drama because Craig is saying a lot of things. He is claiming this and that but he lacks any proof, undeniable proof, a proof beyond all doubt, that would finally end everything and completely shut the mouth of all critics?

Until then, flippening is at most an illusion.

 
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January 15, 2020, 04:32:23 AM
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Until then, he's still a fraud.


I don't understand much about the Satoshi drama, but is good to know the sentiment of some Bitcoin maximalist that Craig is only a fraud for the moment, and when he finally prove that he is Satoshi then the flippening will happen faster than what we though.

But why hold the proof, the ultimate proof, too long? This has become a useless drama because Craig is saying a lot of things. He is claiming this and that but he lacks any proof, undeniable proof, a proof beyond all doubt, that would finally end everything and completely shut the mouth of all critics?

Until then, flippening is at most an illusion.

As far as i understand, he did not sign any key or proof anything because if he do so he will be breaking the rules of the tulip trust, he just said that he receive the keys that unlock those address so he can now sign or move those coins legally.

So if he do so, that means he is Satoshi?
And by default BSV is the original Bitcoin?


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January 15, 2020, 05:08:19 AM
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Until then, he's still a fraud.


I don't understand much about the Satoshi drama, but is good to know the sentiment of some Bitcoin maximalist that Craig is only a fraud for the moment, and when he finally prove that he is Satoshi then the flippening will happen faster than what we though.

But why hold the proof, the ultimate proof, too long? This has become a useless drama because Craig is saying a lot of things. He is claiming this and that but he lacks any proof, undeniable proof, a proof beyond all doubt, that would finally end everything and completely shut the mouth of all critics?

Until then, flippening is at most an illusion.

As far as i understand, he did not sign any key or proof anything because if he do so he will be breaking the rules of the tulip trust, he just said that he receive the keys that unlock those address so he can now sign or move those coins legally.

So if he do so, that means he is Satoshi?
And by default BSV is the original Bitcoin?



I already anticipate (and I believe others have asserted the same) that Craig might be able to show that he has access to the copies of satoshi keys on the BSV chain.. which is a BIG so fucking what.

He needs to be able to show that he has access to those keys on the BTC chain..   The court is NOT that dumb, even though Craig is probably dumb enough to assert that BSV is bitcoin.... which does not really mean shit, because BSV is a November 2018 creation, even though it had used bcash and BTC transactional history, but that capacity to get access to unmoved coins will be caused by centralized manipulation on a chain that is a copy of a copy of a copy... not even close to the real bitcoin....  The court should really just lock him up and throw away the key when they see him trying to play that copy of a copy of a copy card.

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January 15, 2020, 07:52:42 AM
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Until then, he's still a fraud.


I don't understand much about the Satoshi drama, but is good to know the sentiment of some Bitcoin maximalist that Craig is only a fraud for the moment, and when he finally prove that he is Satoshi then the flippening will happen faster than what we though.

But why hold the proof, the ultimate proof, too long? This has become a useless drama because Craig is saying a lot of things. He is claiming this and that but he lacks any proof, undeniable proof, a proof beyond all doubt, that would finally end everything and completely shut the mouth of all critics?

Until then, flippening is at most an illusion.

As far as i understand, he did not sign any key or proof anything because if he do so he will be breaking the rules of the tulip trust, he just said that he receive the keys that unlock those address so he can now sign or move those coins legally.

So if he do so, that means he is Satoshi?
And by default BSV is the original Bitcoin?


Do I still need to respond to this? I guess JayJuanGee's reply is more than enough.

By the way, it is a fallacy to call what comes after as the original and what comes before as the fake one. That defies logic.  Roll Eyes

 
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January 15, 2020, 10:10:50 AM
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In this last filling by Satoshi, he gave 1600 address that he claims he owns and that hold bitcoin he mined, the total amount is approx a bit over 1,000,000 BTC

So if Craig is lying about that, why the real owners of those 1600 address don't move their coins?
So is Craig telling the truth? he owns the satoshi address? he is satoshi?

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January 15, 2020, 10:17:58 AM
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In this last filling by Satoshi, he gave 1600 address that he claims he owns and that hold bitcoin he mined, the total amount is approx a bit over 1,000,000 BTC

So if Craig is lying about that, why the real owners of those 1600 address don't move their coins?
So is Craig telling the truth? he owns the satoshi address? he is satoshi?

There's no way Craig is Satoshi. If he was really Satoshi he wouldn't have felt the need to tell dozens or even hundreds of lies over the year. He wouldn't have perjured himself in court, or made idiotic statements defaming others (such as theymos and sirius, two of the original members of this forum), which caused the judge to enter into a default judgment for the plaintiff.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.377.0.pdf

Craig is a con man. People buying SV are buying into a con. It will end poorly for them.

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January 15, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
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Currently is 4.4% more profitable to mine BSV than BTC

Is BTC at risk of losing hash power because miners will switch to BSV?


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January 15, 2020, 12:54:43 PM
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Let's see him move a bunch of those coins from several of the 1600 addresses. Perhaps he got one, but the important ones are within the first 100 blocks, particularly the genesis block and the key used in block 70 (as payment to Hal.)

That and his PGP key.

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January 15, 2020, 01:00:33 PM
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Currently is 4.4% more profitable to mine BSV than BTC

Is BTC at risk of losing hash power because miners will switch to BSV?


of course, it is easier to pump smaller cap coins. that's why you can make it more profitable for a certain period of time.

don't worry, miners will switch to BSV to get more USD or BTC hehe.
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January 15, 2020, 01:16:43 PM
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Interesting, and when do you think BSV will overtake XRP and take the 3rd position?
This week?

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January 15, 2020, 01:32:33 PM
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lol someone would be insane to buy now unless u have good inside info.
still, a shit scam even if has a lame pump, which is all bs behind it.

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January 15, 2020, 01:55:21 PM
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lol someone would be insane to buy now unless u have good inside info.
still, a shit scam even if has a lame pump, which is all bs behind it.

Funny because i been hearing the same thing since it was 50$


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January 15, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
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In this last filling by Satoshi, he gave 1600 address that he claims he owns and that hold bitcoin he mined, the total amount is approx a bit over 1,000,000 BTC

So if Craig is lying about that, why the real owners of those 1600 address don't move their coins?
So is Craig telling the truth? he owns the satoshi address? he is satoshi?

There's no way Craig is Satoshi. If he was really Satoshi he wouldn't have felt the need to tell dozens or even hundreds of lies over the year. He wouldn't have perjured himself in court, or made idiotic statements defaming others (such as theymos and sirius, two of the original members of this forum), which caused the judge to enter into a default judgment for the plaintiff.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.377.0.pdf

Craig is a con man. People buying SV are buying into a con. It will end poorly for them.

Yea - no way ...

cause why?

Cause triggered nutti wil go and cry ?

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January 15, 2020, 02:54:43 PM
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It may eventually rise, but it's not something I can actually count on. The viability and predictability of the coin looks unstable or uncertain. Will it be here 10 years from now? Maybe. Would I put my entire life savings in it? I don't think so.

It really depends on your risk tolerance. Why even bother when you can just get any other altcoin out there.

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January 15, 2020, 03:28:35 PM
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BitcoinSV price pumped by 100% in 1 day :O All because of the possibility that Craig Wright has access to 1 million BTC and will dump them for BSV.

https://coincodex.com/article/6595/bitcoin-sv-gains-over-100-in-one-day-following-new-developments-in-craig-wright-court-case/

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January 15, 2020, 04:58:05 PM
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BitcoinSV price pumped by 100% in 1 day :O All because of the possibility that Craig Wright has access to 1 million BTC and will dump them for BSV.

I don't think its a possibility. Just going by his track record of being a compulsive liar, he is certainly lying about having the keys to the famed Satoshi Stash.

If you're wondering about how the price could rise to such a degree given the fact that their dev was basically called a fraud by a federal judge, I found this explanation to be accurate and concise:

BSV shills aren't exactly the most intelligent people. They've had CSW lie to their faces for years and yet they still swallow whatever word salad he serves them next.

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Are they even aware that this speculation is about an unconfirmed rumor? The element containing the information will be censored. No one will be able to verify it. The supporters will be disillusioned.

So the courier dropped off the code to open the .zip file containing the 16,000 addresses = 1.1 million bitcoin. But there is still no access to the seed code which is the private key. And there was a death pump for that and now it's Dash who is pumping (maybe cleaning up?) the outputs......... Frankly, it's very clever to have played with words.

Unfortunately, the curious deliveryman would not have brought the said private keys with him, according to an official document filed with the Court in question by the lawyers defending the Kleiman family.

https://www.scribd.com/document/442965735/Motion-to-Continue-CSW?language_settings_changed=English





CSW = NO PRIVATE KEYS = NOT OWNER OF FUNDS






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"BREAKING NEWS ::: Craig Wright shows new evidence in  court thats proofs once and for all the Tulip Trusts existence and hence he is the creator or BitC0in 😂😂"



- https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1215425520936128512

...

"The flippening continued...

The original fake bitcoin overtakes the fake fake bitcoin again 🍿🍿🍿"


- https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1217496853299761152 *NSFW*



"Remember: Fair value of BSV is 0"
- https://twitter.com/hodlonaut/status/1217146971384885250

...

Bassackwards ? Backflippening ??

"The file that arrived by "bonded courier" allowed him to unlock a file with 16k addresses. In the past CSW already submitted a list with 27k addresses, but those contained known addresses of other people.  I guess they tried to filter out those this time."
- https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/1217462783492661248

...

"Wait...

"- Dave moves 1.1M BTC to Tulip Trust in June 2011, and bonded courier will give all BTC back on Jan 1, 2020.

- Now, courier makes 16404 public addresses known with 820,200 BTC. No access.

Will Craig now sue Ira for breach of contract PLUS ~280,000 missing BTC? 😱"..."

- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1217440118698586112

...

*meme*



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January 16, 2020, 04:17:37 AM
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Heading back down.

Surprize surprize lmfao


Out of control...

....you cant make this shit up....

Oh wait...

....he did Grin
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Heading back down.

Surprize surprize lmfao


Out of control...

....you cant make this shit up....

Oh wait...

....he did Grin

How much down will go?

I think will go to 230 and stay there till around Feb 10 when the next hype will happen because of the conference

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Heading back down.

Surprize surprize lmfao


Out of control...

....you cant make this shit up....

Oh wait...

....he did Grin

How much down will go?

I think will go to 230 and stay there till around Feb 10 when the next hype will happen because of the conference

In the end price and ppl are not really relevant to Bitcoin

Bitcoins use and options to get acceptance as a 'boring' stable protocol layer for any application of value transport and its documentation

Speculation obsession derails and is just pitch for the dumb

Watch for the use


https://mobile.twitter.com/m_murfy/status/1215185501088440325

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Heading back down.

Surprize surprize lmfao


Out of control...

....you cant make this shit up....

Oh wait...

....he did Grin

How much down will go?

I think will go to 230 and stay there till around Feb 10 when the next hype will happen because of the conference

In the end price and ppl are not really relevant to Bitcoin

Bitcoins use and options to get acceptance as a 'boring' stable protocol layer for any application of value transport and its documentation

Speculation obsession derails and is just pitch for the dumb

Watch for the use


https://mobile.twitter.com/m_murfy/status/1215185501088440325


the first use of BSV (that forked off BCH that forked off BTC) is to copy BTC to make money off new blood that will come in to crypto land, because [insert technical and philosophical mumbo jumbos here].  Cheesy
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 #110

Heading back down.

Surprize surprize lmfao


Out of control...

....you cant make this shit up....

Oh wait...

....he did Grin

How much down will go?

I think will go to 230 and stay there till around Feb 10 when the next hype will happen because of the conference

In the end price and ppl are not really relevant to Bitcoin

Bitcoins use and options to get acceptance as a 'boring' stable protocol layer for any application of value transport and its documentation

Speculation obsession derails and is just pitch for the dumb

Watch for the use


https://mobile.twitter.com/m_murfy/status/1215185501088440325


the first use of BSV (that forked off BCH that forked off BTC) is to copy BTC to make money off new blood that will come in to crypto land, because [insert technical and philosophical mumbo jumbos here].  Cheesy

Crypto space is a net 0 game - hard to make mony with forks IMO

Nope

BSV is to show that segwit - anonymous - anarcho is cancer


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January 16, 2020, 01:38:41 PM
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Anyone who bought before the pump, and shorted as it was going down, would have made money. Doesn't make the coin any more useful other than for that purpose.

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Heading back down.

Surprize surprize lmfao


Out of control...

....you cant make this shit up....

Oh wait...

....he did Grin

How much down will go?

I think will go to 230 and stay there till around Feb 10 when the next hype will happen because of the conference

In the end price and ppl are not really relevant to Bitcoin

Bitcoins use and options to get acceptance as a 'boring' stable protocol layer for any application of value transport and its documentation

Speculation obsession derails and is just pitch for the dumb

Watch for the use


https://mobile.twitter.com/m_murfy/status/1215185501088440325


the first use of BSV (that forked off BCH that forked off BTC) is to copy BTC to make money off new blood that will come in to crypto land, because [insert technical and philosophical mumbo jumbos here].  Cheesy

Crypto space is a net 0 game - hard to make mony with forks IMO

Nope

BSV is to show that segwit - anonymous - anarcho is cancer



i'm getting a conspiracy tin foil hat kind of vibe with these words..can make a good altcoin discussion thread about this hehe


Gavin Andresen visits CIA in 2011

https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=6652.0

Quote
..I accepted the invitation to speak because the fact that I was invited means Bitcoin is already on their radar..

may 2016, Gavin Andresen says craig wright is satoshi nakamoto...

maybe gavin was pressured by the CIA to do stuff like help implant an impostor....nobody can resist the CIA or any agency if you are not anonymous and anarcho/decentalized

maybe craig is an implant and calvin is a front to cover up where the real source of funding this attack on bitcoin is coming from.

I think gavin left and he knows that Bitcoin is resilient, even with attacks like craig, BSV, gavin's removal and other propaganda it will survive.

i mean look at craig, always asking for trust but always failing verification LOL

did i put my conspiracy tin foil hat right?

Gavin had just received the alert keys to the Bitcoin network. Right afterwards, he tells Satoshi that he is visiting the CIA. Satoshi leaves for good coincidentally.

This is quoted from the defunct Bruce Wagner Bitcoin podcast:

Bruce Wagner : When was the last time you chatted to satoshi <laugh>
Gavin Andresen: Um... I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that.... that may have um had something to with his deciding


Based on this, do you think Gavin fully meets Satoshi's vision for Bitcoin?

this is kind of eerie...LOL
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January 16, 2020, 04:02:15 PM
 #113

SV is just a money making scam

Par for the course since I began following crypto when there was 25 coins in existence.

Rinse and repeat

Tho it is amazing to see it being done at this level

BTC and some others are real investments

SV is a Pump and Dump Shitcoin in our current age

It has ZERO value other than to reference itself to BTC and market manipulation

Hence its marketcap peak we just witnessed, and now its inevitable crash into obscurity
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January 17, 2020, 04:23:23 AM
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BSV is to show that segwit - anonymous - anarcho is cancer

If that's its primary function, it sure is doing a piss poor job of it. Would probably help if your dev wasn't a shyster con artist.

We've already been over this -- satoshi (the real satoshi) was pro-anonymity. He did everything he could to protect the anonymity of bitcoin users by doing things like developing bitcoin to not log IP addresses and be Tor-friendly. Your fraudulent dev is the antithesis of this.

No way Craig will ever move a single satoshi coin. Mainly because he isn't satoshi. He hasn't before, he won't in the future. How much do you want to bet on it?

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January 17, 2020, 05:04:46 AM
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BSV is to show that segwit - anonymous - anarcho is cancer

If that's its primary function, it sure is doing a piss poor job of it. Would probably help if your dev wasn't a shyster con artist.

We've already been over this -- satoshi (the real satoshi) was pro-anonymity. He did everything he could to protect the anonymity of bitcoin users by doing things like developing bitcoin to not log IP addresses and be Tor-friendly. Your fraudulent dev is the antithesis of this.

No way Craig will ever move a single satoshi coin. Mainly because he isn't satoshi. He hasn't before, he won't in the future. How much do you want to bet on it?


This^^^


Hell of a scam. Many of us can see it.
A few can make some $$
And many lose their ass.

Same old shit
SV is a joke and so is craig
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Someone knows about the lawsuit filled against some exchanges that delisted BSV?

Rumors that they will relist BSV are starting to show up.


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January 17, 2020, 11:09:22 AM
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BSV is to show that segwit - anonymous - anarcho is cancer

...

We've already been over this -- satoshi (the real satoshi) was pro-anonymity.

NOPE

He wanted P2P  based on IP - remeber?

He only wanted to stay ano for his person for risk mitigation.

Others went to jail for such a system.

Illegal code writing is illegal btw ....

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BSV is to show that segwit - anonymous - anarcho is cancer

...

We've already been over this -- satoshi (the real satoshi) was pro-anonymity.

NOPE

He wanted P2P  based on IP - remeber?

He only wanted to stay ano for his person for risk mitigation.

Others went to jail for such a system.

Illegal code writing is illegal btw ....

TPTB (the powers that be) must be shitting themselves when BTC is evolving to layering because anonymity can be achieved in BTC through layering, so Bitcoin must stay as layer 1 (not the OSI model, BTC has it's own layering model).

just look at OSI layer (the internet-our internet), where is the encryption? at layer 5,6,7 (refer to the picture)

layer 3 for example -- IP can be mixed in TOR, the current BTC anonymity is currently by mixing like TOR at layer 3.....layering is the future..you dumbo  Tongue





Someone knows about the lawsuit filled against some exchanges that delisted BSV?

Rumors that they will relist BSV are starting to show up.


LOL at desperate harrasment by BSV to relist BTW


P.S. the internet TCP-IP was a military technology, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET, layering was the key to make it a  technology for the masses not just for privacy(encryption) but also for ease of use/utility-adoption.

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January 17, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
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hxxps://twetch.app

Twetch is transforming the use of social media. Take back your data today!

No it isn't.

HINT: Freedom of Speech isn't free if you have to pay to speak. That's actually a form of censorship.

Lips sealed

OMG LSHMSFOAIDMT ...

"BSV - The Initiation Ritual."



- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1217893533278965762

...

"they control kevin"



- https://twitter.com/DanDarkPill/status/1218116519407702017

 Roll Eyes



Mainly from the crypto twittersphere ...

*meme*

"This is for all ya Bcash Scam Vision fan boys who swallowed too much of Craig's lies. U wanna come for the king as many of you claim?Here is reality!This is how a fight would look like if BcashSV vs Bitcoin was a person...you are dwarfs high on your hopium "

#ExitScamCoiming"




...

News:

"Basically @hodlonaut says, Craig lost his lawsuit in the UK, and now Craig has to face my lawsuit against him in Norway.

Congrats, good job! "

- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1217788695128018945

...

"UK High Court handed down judgment today in the defamation case CSW filed against me.
The Judge ruled UK does not have jurisdiction, and the proceedings against me there to be dismissed.

Norway has jurisdiction.
We will go to court there to put an end to this mess."

- https://twitter.com/hodlonaut/status/1217779641957613568

...

"Impressive, CSW produced 24k documents since 31st of December.
Best part of it all though: "when Plaintiffs receive a document from Craig, they first have to determine if it is authentic." ..."

- https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/1217694181826736130

...


"Has everyone forgotten that despite the recent ‘just a list of addresses’ backpedaling Craig Wright already made a sworn declaration to the court in May that the ‘encrypted file’ contains the *private keys* too? Oops. 😂 @MyLegacyKit @jimmy007forsure #facepalm "
- https://twitter.com/longandy/status/1217599943512412168

...

Other News:

"People @rogerkver has blamed for the failure of BCash:
- Core
- Blockstream
- The CIA
- Aliens
- Jack
- Jill
- A pale of water
- Rafael Benítez"

- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1217398348321304576

...

"1. CSW v Hodlonaut (CSW lost)
2. CSW v Kleiman (CSW loses, currently appealing)
3. CSW v Roger Dodger (CSW loses, currently appealing)
4. CSW v McCormick (TBD)

Welcome to law."

- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1217793896970948608

...

"The flippening made @rogerkver lose his mind....

He compares Bitcoin Maximalist mentality with the CIA and adds "It would be naive to think the CIA has not been involved..." 😂 😂 😂 #BcashConspiracyTheory "

- https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1217290622874214402

...

*meme*

"The Fake Fake Bitcoin overtakes the Original Fake Bitcoin - Congrats on this seriously😂"



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Even without layering, if you know how to do CoinJoins or similar techniques mixing the transaction with others, that provides enough noise to confuse everyone else who wasn't part of that transaction, and for the most part only you know your own portion of the transaction and likely do not know about all the other inputs.

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I have start thinking on a coinspiracy theory that Roger Ver, Craig Wright and Jihan are still friends and one day will join again to fight against BTC.

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Even without layering, if you know how to do CoinJoins or similar techniques mixing the transaction with others, that provides enough noise to confuse everyone else who wasn't part of that transaction, and for the most part only you know your own portion of the transaction and likely do not know about all the other inputs.

those days are long gone.

https://www.coinfirm.com/
https://www.coindesk.com/us-government-lockheed-martin-bitcoin-analysis-tool
https://www.coindesk.com/fbi-malware-victims-should-pay-bitcoin-ransoms

there was an interview with a female FBI high rank person years ago, i forgot her name. in the interview she says that there is an FBI agent that investigated mt. gox hack and stole BTC/money too, he was clever since he knew how to mix and was careful with his tracks...i remember her saying "mixing does not work". (might be wrong on some details)

edit: it was silk road not mt.gox
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2020 will be the year of the pumpkin?


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Craig must be a pathological liar in the clinical sense -- nothing metaphorical about it. Pathological liar, as in, he's a sociopath who is missing a chunk in his prefrontal cortex that is responsible for the most human of emotions -- mainly empathy and shame. I'm saying his neurobiology is flawed. Its actually not his fault, either.

Anybody here want to make a gentleman's wager than CSW never moves a single satoshi BTC? I'm willing to bet you 1 BSV that Craig doesn't move a single BTC within a year from today. Of course the address I provide you for delivery of my BSV will undoubtedly be an exchange. If I lose then it will be incredibly humiliating for me as I'll actually have to purchase a BSV.

Any takers?

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January 17, 2020, 05:07:59 PM
Last edit: January 17, 2020, 05:44:26 PM by Dabs
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those days are long gone.

That wasn't mixed properly. I said, if you know how to do it.

How are you going to trace a transaction that went through several rounds of JoinMarket / CoinJoin / Wasabi mixing among hundreds of participants each round, unless you had access to each and everyone's wallets at the time?

Tech is also improving and making it simpler for people, but still, you must understand how it works and why it works, not just trusting that using some wallet add on thing is going to anonymize your coins.

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January 17, 2020, 05:41:37 PM
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those days are long gone.

That wasn't mixed properly. I said, if you know how to do it.

How are you going to trace a transaction that went through several rounds of JoinMarket / CoinJoin / Wasabi mixing among hundreds of participants each round, unless you had access to each and everyone's wallets at the time?

me? i can't and i don't know....the 3 letter government agencies-->that i would not underestimate, and i don't know their methods. and they already caught people who use mixers. If i found the link to that interview i'll post it here, it is from their mouth not mine-mixing coins is not anonymous.

bitcoin blockchain is inherently transparent, when things are transparent, it is only a matter of figuring/timing/tracing/analyzing stuff because there is something to look at.


just like IP addresses. TOR is mixing IP's and this.

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/167002/20160626/the-fbi-can-still-spy-on-you-even-if-youre-using-tor-and-dont-ask-why.htm
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January 17, 2020, 05:49:07 PM
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Yeah, it's like the other guy claiming this and that about quantum computing breaking 4096 RSA key pairs or brute forcing 256 bit AES.

Not gonna happen, at least for those.

As for the mixing, it just wasn't done properly, or the agent who tried to do it was lazy, or there was another error in his process that lead to discovery.

If done properly, there is no way anyone else finds out about it, except maybe that somewhere along the line, your transaction got mixed with a few thousand others.

As for PlayPen.. the site itself got hacked by the FBI, so any normal user that connected to it during that time is going to get screwed. I don't know why people pay for porn when it's available for free.

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January 17, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
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Craig must be a pathological liar in the clinical sense -- nothing metaphorical about it. Pathological liar, as in, he's a sociopath who is missing a chunk in his prefrontal cortex that is responsible for the most human of emotions -- mainly empathy and shame. I'm saying his neurobiology is