PrimeNumber7 is an alt of Quickseller, Take 2

[nutildah]

I feel like you are failing to grasp what I am doing at a fundamental level

Are you Suchmoon?

No.

Why would you think we are the same person?

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I am sure there are plenty of other unique word combinations that, when paired together, are used by exactly two distinct forum members. Further, you appear to be padding your numbers with word combinations being used correctly.

Further, with the near admission of puppetry used in this thread, I would question your claim of lack of involvement in this thread, and this one...

Well sure, there are lots of similarities in the way people use language and words and phrases, but the odds of someone using the same very unique phrases or spelling errors is astronomical and the more similarities we see the more likely it becomes that one and the other are the same and I've spotted a lot of alts like this. Basically, we all know that you're QS but there's obviously no smoking gun so you're going to try hide behind that. It's like knowing someone committed a crime because it has all the hallmarks of that person and they were spotted at the scene of the crime and have the motive, but there's no DNA evidence to seal the case and certainly not enough to stand up in court so they go free on a technicality.

BTW, I always had an inkling you two were one and the same as you just start to see these things when you spend so much time on the board, but it was all but confirmed for me when I noticed both you and QS reporting posts with the exact same phrasing. The odds of that happening between two random people is very rare and obviously not something someone else can mimic. QS also does a certain thing on all of his accounts as do you which I'm not going to give away because it's an easy habit to change but it's always the first thing I look for when I see one account that has all the hallmarks of QS. I honestly don't know whether you just see this board as too lucrative to leave it alone and do your best to try rank up an account to maximise earning potential here from whatever avenues you can, or there's something more sinister going on and you've always been trying to build up to a long con or something. I'm sure many others here wouldn't have given a shit about any other accounts you had and you could have easy rebuilt your reputation over time but the way you behaved and tried to take anyone and everyone down just because they had someone you didn't like on their trust list turned a lot of people against you and makes me not trust you at all and that's why most people here are unforgiving of you.

Interesting spelling mistakes, I always thought QuickSeller was a native English speaker.

Yes, he is, and that's the point: if you're not an American English native speaker its a bit harder to judge what phrases and misspellings are common versus uncommon.

Most people have words they get wrong frequently even if they're native English speakers, and especially just turn of phrases and mannerisms that you pick up over time. It's actually hard for people to register themselves but others often notice it and over time things start to stick out even more.

Forensic linguistics never fail.

i dunno, the evidence seems really flimsy to me.

It's really not just the words though, it's the overall behaviour amongst other things. Users who sign up here and head straight to Meta and and get involved in forum politics always stand out as likely being alts and often people blatantly having knowledge of things that you would only know from being here a while sets alarm bells off. The words and phrases are just another piece of strong evidence, but yes, one or two similarities wouldn't mean much but when you put it all together it becomes pretty compelling. I wasn't even aware of the things that have just been presented in this thread but I always suspected they were the same just from other things I observed. Sure, probably technically not enough to condemn someone over but I'd bet a bollock they're the same.

At this point I'm wondering why Quickseller would even start up a new account.  It's very hard to rank up from scratch, and I don't even think QS feels the need for an account with clean feedback.  I'm not saying Primenumber7 isn't his alt, but it does make me wonder what his motivation would be if it is his account.

Well it's pretty obvious. Money and probably trust. It's also not that hard to rank up if you know what to do and where to fish for merits, much like mday was doing, and PN7 is doing pretty well in the merit and rank stakes. Sure, it takes a bit of time and effort but the outcome can be very rewarding, especially if you can get on a high-paying campaign and I'm sure he has his eyes set on the holy grail that is Chipmixer.

the PrimeNumber7 account seems harmless. i too suspect he might be Quickseller but tbh, who gives a shit? what behavior has PrimeNumber7 engaged in that warrants this witch hunt behavior? maybe just leave the guy alone.....

The people who he's attacked seemingly give a shit. I don't really care either either and let him have that account for all I care, but I don't blame them for attacking him any chance they get either because that's exactly what QS did and he launched a pretty merciless attack on anyone who he felt wronged him and they're seemingly returning the favour and unwilling to let it go like he did.

I would just say move on to both sides but I don't think either will be wiling to do so so this sort of tit-for-tat will likely continue on for ever.

[PrimeNumber7]

I feel like you are failing to grasp what I am doing at a fundamental level

Are you Suchmoon?

No.

Why would you think we are the same person?

Well let’s be clear that you are not doing this and this isn’t any of your research.

[nutildah]

I would just say move on to both sides but I don't think either will be wiling to do so so this sort of tit-for-tat will likely continue on for ever.

Believe it or not I don't really have much skin in the game. PN7 said nobody had any evidence to present, so I presented it.

Are you Suchmoon?

No.

Why would you think we are the same person?

Well let’s be clear that you are not doing this and this isn’t any of your research.

I'm not doing it? Who's doing it then? Most of it is my research, but not all. Suchmoon and now hilarious have chimed in with stuff I didn't think of or couldn't have thought of.

Regardless of who did what, it doesn't change the fact that you are Quickseller.

[suchmoon]

Well let’s be clear that you are not doing this and this isn’t any of your research.

Give it up, it's really pathetic what you're doing here. You're not as good at masking your tracks as you think you are. Anybody who's paying attention can see the clues.

If anyone cares, nutildah has done most of the work. I contributed 2 or 3 of the 9 items in the OP. There is at least one other contributor.

[mikeywith]

Some totally unscientific numbers to complement the nice rainbow diagram above:

-                           |passphrais|immidiatel|boarder|rodger ver|monitory|underlying root cause|sow discord|maximum benefit of the doubt|
----------------------------|----------|----------|-------|----------|--------|---------------------|-----------|----------------------------|
passphrais                  |-         |2         |3      |3         |2       |2                    |2          |2                           |
immidiatel                  |2         |-         |11     |2         |3       |2                    |2          |2                           |
boarder                     |3         |11        |-      |5         |6       |2                    |2          |2                           |
rodger ver                  |3         |2         |5      |-         |2       |2                    |2          |2                           |
monitory                    |2         |3         |6      |2         |-       |2                    |3          |2                           |
underlying root cause       |2         |2         |2      |2         |2       |-                    |2          |2                           |
sow discord                 |2         |2         |2      |2         |3       |2                    |-          |2                           |
maximum benefit of the doubt|2         |2         |2      |2         |2       |2                    |2          |-                           |

I have to admit that the information in the OP once presented this way make a lot more sense than their original representation, also these "statistics" coming from a trusted person like you save us a whole lot of time confirming their integrity.

But this does not negate the fact that many members will still set the bar too low when it comes to "evidences" against users they have an issue with, and on the contrary, the bar "can" be set too high when it's about someone they "like".

In other words, I highly doubt that the same effort would have been invested if it was not Quickseller in question, I have not been here long enough but I can easily guess that Quickseller did a lot of "terrible" things to many of you, therefore, I can't blame anyone who will use everything at their disposal to "win" something against Quickseller. This should serve as a lesson to everyone, that sometimes when you make a mistake, it doesn't matter how far away you try to run, it will always hunt you down.

[suchmoon]

In other words, I highly doubt that the same effort would have been invested if it was not Quickseller in question, I have not been here long enough but I can easily guess that Quickseller did a lot of "terrible" things to many of you, therefore, I can't blame anyone who will use everything at their disposal to "win" something against Quickseller.

Again, it's hard to argue with a hypothetical but I think you're overestimating the effort it takes to notice a sockpuppet of a cancerous trolling scammer like Quickseller. It's really no more than just reading a post, seeing a weird word or phrase, and copying it into a search box, and that last part is mostly optional when you've been around for a few years. Most people just wouldn't care enough and that's fine. I kinda had to care since Quickseller had some grudge against me for something, tried to dox me, etc, so I prefer to be aware of sockpuppets of such individuals.

Not trying to "win" anything here. There's nothing to gain for me.

[yahoo62278]

I think wolwoo should stop promoting YoBit so everyone can move on. As a side note, I think the same is true for Yahoo, including him managing (or whatever he is calling it)   

If this means the spam is bad for a few days from YoBit posters, then YoBit signatures will get banned again.

This is a great point! The underlying root cause of the YoBit spammers promoting a scam exchange is they want to receive the monitory reward that Yobit pays out. I agree that wolwoo should immidiately remove his signature and maybe the OP will forgive him.

Even if you give YoBit the maximum benefit of the doubt, they are still very shady and have engaged in many pump and dump scams and appear to be willing to sell a listing on their exchange for next to nothing. I don’t think YoBit being a scam is even boarder line, it is very clear cut. I think YoBit should be transparently a scam to everyone else. This is not me trying to sow discord within those promoting this exchange.

I don’t think Rodger Ver is allowing YoBit to advertise on his forum.

If it is found that QS is PM7 then he is replying to himself.

[suchmoon]

If it is found that QS is PM7 then he is replying to himself.

It's clearly a parody since he's using the words/phrases from the OP. Not a bad attempt at humor albeit somewhat lame after eddie13 had already done it earlier in this thread.

[Quickseller]

In other words, I highly doubt that the same effort would have been invested if it was not Quickseller in question, I have not been here long enough but I can easily guess that Quickseller did a lot of "terrible" things to many of you, therefore, I can't blame anyone who will use everything at their disposal to "win" something against Quickseller.

Again, it's hard to argue with a hypothetical but I think you're overestimating the effort it takes to notice a sockpuppet of a cancerous trolling scammer like Quickseller. It's really no more than just reading a post, seeing a weird word or phrase, and copying it into a search box, and that last part is mostly optional when you've been around for a few years. Most people just wouldn't care enough and that's fine. I kinda had to care since Quickseller had some grudge against me for something, tried to dox me, etc, so I prefer to be aware of sockpuppets of such individuals.

Not trying to "win" anything here. There's nothing to gain for me.

Its too bad I never doxed nor tried to dox you. I only wrote things that you have written in various old posts. You are upset that you don’t get special privileges and special rules to not say things that you have said.

Based on this thread, it looks like you are very petty and vindictive. I am curious if this is why you decided to start spying on every forum member.

BTW, all this proves is that I have posted in small number of similar threads as PN7. The words in question would only be written in a small number of topics that are not common.

[suchmoon]

Its too bad I never doxed nor tried to dox you.

Is that a threat?

Are you still stalking me and my spouse on social media? Let us know when our baby is supposed to be due because we are a bit confused about that.

[Quickseller]

Its too bad I never doxed nor tried to dox you.

Is that a threat?

Are you still stalking me and my spouse on social media? Let us know when our baby is supposed to be due because we are a bit confused about that.

What kind of nonsense is it to ask if that statement is a threat.

It’s too bad I couldn’t care less about your social media, nor do I have any interest in your social media. I was told about the baby by someone else. Perhaps you should be less decisive and less people will dislike you. I doubt you will take that advice because you seem to have a need to be in the middle of everything and to be in the middle of drama. It’s like you are trying to be the popular girl in high school.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I also have good reason to believe he has been trying to get some people who are active in handing out tags to notice this connection "on their own".

Further, with the near admission of puppetry used in this thread, I would question your claim of lack of involvement in this thread, and this one...

It is clear to me this has been spread by Suchmoon since mid May, this included by a trust exclusion and a neutral rating (I don't remember which one came first). This happened to be within a few weeks of getting a rule prohibiting the sale of KYC verified accounts without explaining how they are not hacked enforced. It has long been my presumption the rating was in response to my weeding out this particular type of fraud in the marketplace as a form of retaliation.

For me, posts like these are just as incriminating as any of the evidence presented here. These read exactly like someone who has had a grudge against suchmoon for a long time (i.e. QS), and not at all like a relative newbie. Why not rally against nutildah, or The-Devil, who started the threads? Why not against Lauda, who has left red trust? Instead he chooses to rally on suchmoon and even make completely unrelated and unsubstantiated claims about selling accounts?

[suchmoon]

What kind of nonsense is it to ask if that statement is a threat.

In its only other possible interpretation it's an obviously false statement because you posted my dox so many times. I apologize for assuming that you wouldn't lie so blatantly.

It’s too bad I couldn’t care less about your social media, nor do I have any interest in your social media. I was told about the baby by someone else.

Let me guess again, PrimeNumber7 was your imaginary source?

I could totally see your lack of interest in how desperately you tried to publish any little tidbit you got from it. What a pathetic waste of bandwidth, you can't even man up to admit it.

[Quickseller]

What kind of nonsense is it to ask if that statement is a threat.

In its only other possible interpretation it's an obviously false statement because you posted my dox so many times. I apologize for assuming that you wouldn't lie so blatantly.

It’s too bad I couldn’t care less about your social media, nor do I have any interest in your social media. I was told about the baby by someone else.

Let me guess again, PrimeNumber7 was your imaginary source?

I could totally see your lack of interest in how desperately you tried to publish any little tidbit you got from it. What a pathetic waste of bandwidth, you can't even man up to admit it.

I think this thread serves as a pretty good reason as to not reveal my source. Or do anything to help you for that matter.

You have a habit of picking on people who are weaker than you. That’s not a good quality and I hope other people take notice. Based on this thread, you apparently also pick on people through proxies, which is just childish. 

[suchmoon]

Based on this thread, you apparently also pick on people through proxies, which is just childish. 

You're right on one part, I use Tor via socks proxy.

Good to see you revert to your main account for the conspiracy bullshit. Using your totally-not-an-alt for that was cringy.

[marlboroza]

but it was all but confirmed for me when I noticed both you and QS reporting posts with the exact same phrasing. The odds of that happening between two random people is very rare and obviously not something someone else can mimic.

That can give false positive result, someone ask you for advice and you say "report it to moderator, write this in comments: (insert comment)". So they just c/p that and report post or use very very similar words. It is nothing unusual I guess. How many similarities are you talking about, if it is not secret?
Everything here and in other thread is circumstantial evidence, there is no rock solid proof of connection, even PrimeNumber7 attacking only suchmoon (as o_e_l_e_o pointed) is circumstantial evidence. Having that said, there is probably nothing which will convince me that PM7 and QS are not alt accounts.

[suchmoon]

That can give false positive result, someone ask you for advice and you say "report it to moderator, write this in comments: (insert comment)".

This sounds like a mdayonliner-style "mentoring" excuse

According to Occam, the probability of a "fake newbie" (born knowing everything about forum's inner workings) asking a seasoned scammer for advice on reporting posts would be similar to the probability of said scammer having a confidential source for all this shit that he comes up with.

[marlboroza]

That can give false positive result, someone ask you for advice and you say "report it to moderator, write this in comments: (insert comment)".

This sounds like a mdayonliner-style "mentoring" excuse

Not if you receive PM asking you "what to do, do you know how to report this?" and then you say "when reporting, write this in comments". I only say it can give false positive, not that it is giving. I have bunch of those PM's deleted so I can't really give you example.

According to Occam, the probability of a "fake newbie" (born knowing everything about forum's inner workings) asking a seasoned scammer for advice on reporting posts would be similar to the probability of said scammer having a confidential source for all this shit that he comes up with.

Yes, that's why I said

there is probably nothing which will convince me that PM7 and QS are not alt accounts.

[Timelord2o67]

We could go down the path of comparing all contributors to this thread with each-other and cite examples such as hilariousetc and Quickseller using the expression

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But most of those suppositions could be deamed to be FUD...

If it is found that QS is PM7 then he is replying to himself.

Quickseller is certainly known for having talked to himself in the past, but I think a fresh approach needs to be made.


Without making an admission of a connection between the Quickseller and PrimeNumber7 UID's the Quickseller account could *voluntarily* agree to be permanently closed via banning by theymos with all posts/feedback etc remaining in place. There would always be doubt over a connection but the more agreesive members of BCT would just have to move on.

Without an admission by QS of a connection, PN7 could petition to have the red/negative feedback removed on the basis it is retaliatory which theymos wants a stop put to. If QS doesn't agree then I have no doubt others will continue to hammer his account with more of the same such as these two threads contain.

I can't see a clear connection hence my *neutral* cautionary note on PN7's feedback wall. At best others could also place "I suspect" style messages on PN7's wall without them being deamed "retaliatory" by theymos.