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October 19, 2020, 03:06:17 PM
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Hey guys. What is the best way I can send 2 transactions to the same person without them being able to see that both of them came from me? Preferably from the same wallet.

I was thinking about coincontrol, but wouldn't they be able to see they originated from the same exchange?
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October 19, 2020, 04:09:30 PM
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Use a mixer or coinjoin maybe. For example, you can use Chipmixer and use 2 chips from different addresses. If that doesn't suit your taste you can use Wasabi or another wallet that supports coinjoin.

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October 19, 2020, 04:22:55 PM
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Use a mixer or coinjoin maybe. For example, you can use Chipmixer and use 2 chips from different addresses. If that doesn't suit your taste you can use Wasabi or another wallet that supports coinjoin.

Wouldn't the receiver quite easily be able to see that I'm using coinjoin? It preferably has to look as "normal" as possib.e
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October 19, 2020, 04:36:54 PM
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joniboini is very right, CoinJoin is good but I will advice to make use of mixers which is the best way. Also, you can send the bitcoin to an exchange, exchanges makes use of CoinJoin too, and the transaction is higgly likely not to be traced to you, but I will not advise you to use exchanges due to some reasons but just for you to have little knowledge about it. The best way that your bitcoin can be sent anonymously is to use a mixer, I recommend you Chipmixer.

Wouldn't the receiver quite easily be able to see that I'm using coinjoin? It preferably has to look as "normal" as possib.e
If you use CoinJoin like on Wasabi wallet, the person will not be able to know. But about custodial exchanges, I only just want you to know, remember custodial exchnages do not provide users with private keys, not your key not your coin, and they often freeze accounts if they are suspecting users, so custodial exchanges are not recommended, and during suspicious activities, the exchange can be able to track your transaction to the person. The best I can recommend is to use a mixer which is totally perfect. If you want to try Wasabi Wallet coinJoin, it is also very good  and I can recommend it to be the second. But, if you can use a mixer, it is the best way to go about this.

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October 19, 2020, 04:39:30 PM
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What is the best way I can send 2 transactions to the same person without them being able to see that both of them came from me?
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? If someone gave you a unique Bitcoin address, he'll know he only gave it to you, so he'll know any funds received came from you.
Or do you want him to think/know only one of the transactions came from you, and the second transaction has an unknown source?

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October 19, 2020, 04:49:31 PM
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What is the best way I can send 2 transactions to the same person without them being able to see that both of them came from me?
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? If someone gave you a unique Bitcoin address, he'll know he only gave it to you, so he'll know any funds received came from you.
Or do you want him to think/know only one of the transactions came from you, and the second transaction has an unknown source?


A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money. But if I just transfer from the wallet I used for the first account, they will easily be able to see that it's the same person and probably limit me quickly again.
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October 19, 2020, 06:46:38 PM
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A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money. But if I just transfer from the wallet I used for the first account, they will easily be able to see that it's the same person and probably limit me quickly again.

Though you prefer not to use conjoin or two separate wallets, those are you best options.

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A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money. But if I just transfer from the wallet I used for the first account, they will easily be able to see that it's the same person and probably limit me quickly again.

Though you prefer not to use conjoin or two separate wallets, those are you best options.


Ok thanks. One question: How easy is it to see that a coin has gone through coinjoin earlier?
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October 19, 2020, 08:38:24 PM
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Ok thanks. One question: How easy is it to see that a coin has gone through coinjoin earlier?
After coinjoining, transfer your coins to at least a few unused addresses you own before depositing anywhere. Make sure you don't link previously used, non-coinjoined coins to the freshly coinjoined ones.

If the most recent tx is the coinjoin, you risk getting your funds frozen for suspicious activity. Centralized services and platforms tend to freeze these coins as mixers/coinjoins/whirlpools are sometimes unfortunately considered a criminal's tool. If after coinjoining you jump your coins through at least a few other addresses (also, the more time passing between the txs, the better), I doubt they'll find out or care.

The higher the anonymity set, the harder it gets for them to find out the addresses your coins initially came from though. The best ones in untangling these coinjoins are blockchain analysis companies, but that requires lots of resources they will likely not spend.
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October 19, 2020, 08:58:43 PM
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I heard there are many Coinjoin users that end up suspended or they are going to freeze your account just like what 20kevin20 said above.

If you don't want to risk the two accounts you have from the same site you need to make two wallets separately and then use a mixer instead for safety purposes.
The mixer is way more anonymous than Coinjoin so using mixer like Chipmixer is a must.

What you need to do is mix your coins first on Chipmixer and split them into two then withdraw it will give you two private key. Then you can import it to any wallet just make sure the one private key is separated and send them in your two wallets.

Now, it should work without any traces.

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October 19, 2020, 09:11:32 PM
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I heard there are many Coinjoin users that end up suspended or they are going to freeze your account just like what 20kevin20 said above.
Shit-mixers users are the ones who usually get busted not coinjoin users. I heard about exchanges locking users accounts because they made a deposit transaction which can be easily linked to a mixer. Never heard about gambling website doing the same though.

A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money.
This is agains most bookmakers ToS, so better avoid it.

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A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money. But if I just transfer from the wallet I used for the first account, they will easily be able to see that it's the same person and probably limit me quickly again.
Better don't risk creating multiaccounts because they can ban all your accounts and lock your coins, if they don't allow this in their terms.

If you don't want to use mixers (I would suggest Chipmixer), you can also swap your bitcoin to some other coin and swap back to other bitcoin address.

One more thing you can use is bitcoin samourai wallet for your smartphone.

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October 20, 2020, 12:30:54 AM
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If you just want to make sure the bookmaker don't trace your transaction back to your old address, you can just use any online wallet, exchange or gambling site to deposit your transaction and withdraw. You may need to do some bets on a gambling site or some trade on exchange site to not make your intentions obvious.
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October 20, 2020, 08:32:40 AM
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What is the best way I can send 2 transactions to the same person without them being able to see that both of them came from me?
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A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money. But if I just transfer from the wallet I used for the first account, they will easily be able to see that it's the same person and probably limit me quickly again.

If this is the case. Have two cryptowallets. I mean, make another crypto wallet which you'll gonna fund  but have a mixer first before transfering that to that preferred second wallet. That's the only way bookmaker will not gonna trace that address came from your orginal address.

Two crypto wallets send in one person will be the solution. Or, another solution is to  fund or cash in via shops or atm machine then send it directly to your second preferred wallet.
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A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money.
This is agains most bookmakers ToS, so better avoid it.
They could also have other methods to detect multi accounting, for starters IP-addresses, but also browser fingerprinting.

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What is the best way I can send 2 transactions to the same person without them being able to see that both of them came from me?
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A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money. But if I just transfer from the wallet I used for the first account, they will easily be able to see that it's the same person and probably limit me quickly again.

If this is the case. Have two cryptowallets. I mean, make another crypto wallet which you'll gonna fund  but have a mixer first before transfering that to that preferred second wallet. That's the only way bookmaker will not gonna trace that address came from your orginal address.

Two crypto wallets send in one person will be the solution. Or, another solution is to  fund or cash in via shops or atm machine then send it directly to your second preferred wallet.

What about sending straight from exchange to the bookmaker? They'd only be able to see it comes from an exchange then?
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October 20, 2020, 06:21:42 PM
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I think you can simply do it by creating 2 wallet addresses in Electrum since it can easily be done. In this way you prevent linking 2 addresses in 1 wallet since you will now have 2 wallets that are unrelated to each other. Btw what's the purpose of this? Since I really don't think there is a benefit for hiding someone that they are receiving it from the same person not unless you are hiding something when it comes to the payment on where it has originated.
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A bitcoin bookmaker was limiting me because I was winning, so I want to be able to open a new account and deposit money. But if I just transfer from the wallet I used for the first account, they will easily be able to see that it's the same person and probably limit me quickly again.

Here's a very simple public chainanalysis tool - walletexplorer.com

Take the address that you used to send coins to that service in the past, and take the address that you are going to use to send coins now. Paste them in the walletexplorer to see if they look like they belong to the same wallet. If not, you will probably not get banned, if they don't identify you through other means of course - cookies, IP address, device fingerprinting, etc.

This is assuming you are sending coins from your own wallet, and not from your exchange account. If you're sending from an exchange, the exchange will use some random addresses from their hot wallets, so it would be hard for them to identify you, unless they contact exchange and request this information. But sending directly from exchange is risky, because they could freeze your account for gambling-related transactions.

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October 21, 2020, 12:39:16 AM
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What about sending straight from exchange to the bookmaker? They'd only be able to see it comes from an exchange then?

Yes, that would be the other solution then. From  crypto exchange direct to the bookmaker.
Guess you'll have some idea now to your issues. Or consider some other solutions that members above trying to contribute. Though the easiest way is what I suggested IMO.
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October 21, 2020, 12:41:39 AM
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Hey guys. What is the best way I can send 2 transactions to the same person without them being able to see that both of them came from me? Preferably from the same wallet.

I was thinking about coincontrol, but wouldn't they be able to see they originated from the same exchange?

You could use a coin mixer, that should be the best way to avoid getting tracked, another way is to make a deposit in a service like a casino or an exchange and then make two withdrawals to the addy where you want to make the payment. Those options are the easy way to do it Wink

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