[Cult of Lauda] An historic peace: Rome’s treaty with Carthage

[Lauda]

After a long debate with myself while watching for evidence of Quickseller's motives, I have tentatively concluded that he is sincere in his current intentions.

Therefore, I have decided to follow the spirit of theymoses advice:

Exercise a lot of forgiveness.

In contrast to the accusations of people who just like to criticize me in every conceivable way, I am interested in cooperating with anybody who genuinely wants to contribute to the community. I believe that Quickseller is a highly intelligent individual which is precisely why I previously saw him as very dangerous (in comparison to just some dumb troll, of which there are many). If he put behind him all the things for which I condemned him, then I want to offer him peace, maybe even friendship, so we can each better work to make this forum a better place - despite any differences of opinion that I will gladly agree to disagree about.
I most of all credit Quickseller for making the first move here, which was a rather very big move. I did not ask for his recent apology; and frankly, I never expected to see that day come within my lifetime. It was also a thing I think he could not have done with ulterior motives: He had no way to predict in advance if I would accept what he said, or reject it with the same harshness I showed when fighting him for years. Furthermore, I have noticed other behavioral traits consistent with this belief (his apology is only what got my attention and woken up my thought process).

Those who know me, also know that I am always vigilant; and out of various criticisms, there's one thing that I have never been accused of: being soft. If there is any repeat of the past mistakes and/or harmful behavior, I do not need to say here what my reaction will be. But I do not expect that to happen! I will support Quickseller's genuine effort toward the long task of rebuilding his reputation; and I earnestly hope to someday see him earn the status of a highly respected member of the forum.
Therefore, I have done the following 2 actions:
1) I have removed any negative ratings on Quickseller, and left a neutral rating referencing this thread.
2) I have withdrawn support for any flags that have been created against his account.
I do not expect individuals to follow me in this peace offering at this time, but I ask and hope that people will be more open towards giving forgiveness where forgiveness is earned - especially given that his arguably biggest enemy (The Catbat Witch) has forgiven him and hereby offers him an olive branch.

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[nullius]

I am probably the most unforgiving person on this forum; and I respect you all the more for this, Lauda.

It is indeed an historic forum moment; and as a practical matter, it opens the potential for much good in the future.  When I was a Newbie, someone I respect in the Development and Technology forum quietly advised me that Quickseller has some real skills.  (My contact did not praise him as a genius—just said, he knows his tech stuff.)  This has later influenced my own behaviour in an odd way, insofar as I have shuddered to imagine the time that Quickseller must have invested in all those old flamewar threads instead of building something positive for, foremost, himself.  What a waste.  It was a practical object lesson to me on the personal cost of perpetual flamewars, whether one is right or wrong.  Well, I am curious to see what Quickseller may choose to build on this forum going forward.

As for you Lauda—no, I doubt anyone will accuse you of “being soft”.  Per my own motto on the subject:  “The harshest judges need the wisest judgment.”


Rome never forgave Carthage:  Instead, they totally annihilated Carthage.  I take it that you are mulling an alternative history:  What if Rome and Carthage had made peace?  It is an interesting thought.

[Quickseller]

Thank you. I am out of merit and source merit, so I cannot merit your post at the moment.

I do promise to not repeat previous mistakes and to always do what I believe to be best for the community.

[Lauda]

I am probably the most unforgiving person on this forum; and I respect you all the more for this, Lauda.

Thank you!

Thank you. I am out of merit and source merit, so I cannot merit your post at the moment.

I do promise to not repeat previous mistakes and to always do what I believe to be best for the community.

Here, have some of those too!

[irfan_pak10]

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Thank you. I am out of merit and source merit, so I cannot merit your post at the moment.

I do promise to not repeat previous mistakes and to always do what I believe to be best for the community.

Here, have some of those too!

Being so generous here  That's the spirit required here these days.

[hacker1001101001]

One would not imagine how much time many of the user's around were waiting for this peace treaty. Have a nice honeymoon you both !

[nullius]

Thank you. I am out of merit and source merit, so I cannot merit your post at the moment.

I gave my very last smerit for this (having recently depleted my stockpile by merit-bombing all the awesome translations listed in my signature).  For me to see, “You have 0 sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people.”, it is indeed an historic moment for the forum. ;-)

(Just saw before posting:  Whoops, no longer 0.)

I do promise to not repeat previous mistakes and to always do what I believe to be best for the community.

I look forward to seeing that!

[eddie13]

Bit cringy reading, not gonna lie..
Confusing, forgiving QS while attacking TS.. Hmmm...
Strange times..

Good luck QS..
Do you plan on removing all your reds on Lauda too?

[Quickseller]

Good luck QS..
Do you plan on removing all your reds on Lauda too?

Over the past days/weeks, I have locked various threads that may or may not have been petty fighting among various people. I posted that if someone has what I view to be a serious concern, I will allow it to be unlocked as long as I am confident the person isn’t trolling or causing drama. If someone posts in a thread I opened that is trying to troll or cause drama, it will be quickly locked. I also removed some people who I believe played a minor role in the "sting operation" from being named in the relevant thread title and OP.

I had not reviewed any old trust ratings, as I rarely use the trust system anymore (as far as I can tell, everyone is Trust: +0 / =0 / -0, except those I sent ratings to). I just reviewed my ratings to lauda, and revised them to a single neutral. If anyone else wishes for me to review a rating, they can PM me, and I will look at the rating.

[owlcatz]

Good luck QS..
Do you plan on removing all your reds on Lauda too?

Over the past days/weeks, I have locked various threads that may or may not have been petty fighting among various people. I posted that if someone has what I view to be a serious concern, I will allow it to be unlocked as long as I am confident the person isn’t trolling or causing drama. If someone posts in a thread I opened that is trying to troll or cause drama, it will be quickly locked. I also removed some people who I believe played a minor role in the "sting operation" from being named in the relevant thread title and OP.

I had not reviewed any old trust ratings, as I rarely use the trust system anymore (as far as I can tell, everyone is Trust: +0 / =0 / -0, except those I sent ratings to). I just reviewed my ratings to lauda, and revised them to a single neutral. If anyone else wishes for me to review a rating, they can PM me, and I will look at the rating.

QS - Thanks for that. I removed my negs as well and added a neutral . Hope you can do the same. I'm too old for this petty fighting bs TBH...

Edit - I also did the same for OG, fuck it....

Thank you.
owlcatz

[Quickseller]

Good luck QS..
Do you plan on removing all your reds on Lauda too?

Over the past days/weeks, I have locked various threads that may or may not have been petty fighting among various people. I posted that if someone has what I view to be a serious concern, I will allow it to be unlocked as long as I am confident the person isn’t trolling or causing drama. If someone posts in a thread I opened that is trying to troll or cause drama, it will be quickly locked. I also removed some people who I believe played a minor role in the "sting operation" from being named in the relevant thread title and OP.

I had not reviewed any old trust ratings, as I rarely use the trust system anymore (as far as I can tell, everyone is Trust: +0 / =0 / -0, except those I sent ratings to). I just reviewed my ratings to lauda, and revised them to a single neutral. If anyone else wishes for me to review a rating, they can PM me, and I will look at the rating.

QS - Thanks for that. I removed my negs as well and added a neutral . Hope you can do the same. I'm too old for this petty fighting bs TBH...

Edit - I also did the same for OG, fuck it....

Thank you.
owlcatz

This is done.  

I also confirmed that my PMs are able to receive messages. I may see your message more quickly than if you post here.

[hilariousetc]

Glad to see people moving on. Didn't think it would ever happen here. Peace in the middle east next?

Bit cringy reading, not gonna lie..
Confusing, forgiving QS while attacking TS.. Hmmm...
Strange times..

Good luck QS..
Do you plan on removing all your reds on Lauda too?

Cringy or not I think people should use this as some sort of seachange or amnesty for all the other petty beefs they're involved with, especially with users who aren't scammers and have just rubbed each other up the wrong way otherwise they'll just continue with tit for tat exchanges for ever and I think there are bigger things to worry about here.

[LoyceV]

As far as I know, Lauda is the first person to call me "Switzerland", and the name has grown on me. I've disliked the fights between veteran members on this forum for a long time, and I'd love to see it stop! I'm pretty sure most users can find something they like or dislike about almost anyone, and in most cases that only warrants neutral feedback.
I also never expected to see this happen, but I appreciate it. I think most of what caused QuickSeller's negative feedback happened "before my time here", and I've seen valuable posts from him since then.

Ever since I was a Newbie on Bitcointalk I've had the feeling anyone can easily get tagged for almost anything. That doesn't make the forum look very friendly from the outside. To grow, as a forum and as a coin, we need adoption from more users. It would be great if at least veteran users can get along a bit better

[The Cryptovator]

I appreciate your decision, although sometimes I would not agree with QS but as you mentioned, he is intelligent. As a human there would be mistakes (small or big), likely no one out of that. But if someone hardly try to change their behaviour then they would deserve second chances. There is still so many negative feedback's on QS profile, not sure if they reconsider it. I know everyone's judgements wouldn't same. However at least we can say that it has begun to implement theymos's thoughts.

Out of that topic, OP will you reconsider to visit jeremypwr feedback? I know he was involved with ponzi previously and that's why he got multiple negative feedback's. But lately he is doing well and out of such as ponzi schemes. Have noticed some DT's already reconsider with neutral feedback. Although I don't have personal relations with him but had worked with him long time on his campaign and he proved that he changed himself (IMO). So suddenly came on mind and expressed it. Hope you will revisit his profile.

[Lauda]

As far as I know, Lauda is the first person to call me "Switzerland", and the name has grown on me.

I did indeed!

Out of that topic, OP will you reconsider to visit jeremypwr feedback? I know he was involved with ponzi previously and that's why he got multiple negative feedback's. But lately he is doing well and out of such as ponzi schemes. Have noticed some DT's already reconsider with neutral feedback. Although I don't have personal relations with him but had worked with him long time on his campaign and he proved that he changed himself (IMO). So suddenly came on mind and expressed it. Hope you will revisit his profile.

Has he apologized anywhere or shown remorse or did he just stop doing the stuff he shouldn't be doing?

[The Cryptovator]

Has he apologized anywhere or shown remorse or did he just stop doing the stuff he shouldn't be doing?

I am not aware of about his/her apology. And yes, he has stop doing the stuff he should not be doing (I think its been long time). Most likely he have chosen the way to prove it practically instead of verbal apology. And I think so its more worthy than verbal apology.     

[Lauda]

Has he apologized anywhere or shown remorse or did he just stop doing the stuff he shouldn't be doing?

I am not aware of about his/her apology. And yes, he has stop doing the stuff he should not be doing (I think its been long time). Most likely he have chosen the way to prove it practically instead of verbal apology. And I think so its more worthy than verbal apology.    

Not being sorry for wrong actions in the past shows potentially compromised judgement (i.e. the user might still believe their actions were justified!), so your claim is actually backwards. An apology (not to me - to be clear) or being sorry/remorseful is the first step on changing your course towards the right path. I don't know about this user, I'll look when I have the time..

[allahabadi]

Waiting for Lauda to get over IT'S hangover  


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P.S. I am not buying this spirit of forgiveness crap, maybe the OP wants to run some shit with an ex-scammer and wishes to take off the baggage or whatever.

[TECSHARE]

I see everyone is relishing patting each other on the back over how tolerant and reasonable you all are. How about the several of you here patting each other on your backs remove your frivolous ratings you left for me as well? I won't hold my breath though, because as far as I see it, this is just a way to cheaply get some social credit to continue on with your abusive behavior elsewhere and with others. Kind of like when Vod pretends he is sorry and goes away for a week then does all the same things he was doing before.

[truth or dare]

This appears to be a simple case of quickseller/primenumber accepting it must play ball with Laura and his gang. After Laura tagged PN, quickseller then started reversing the pill accusations, toning down the extortion case, and pretty much kissing ass. In return Laura removed the red from pn7 and owlcatz and others started following along.

Red trust bartering.

Both sides were convinced each other were not to be trusted as far as they could throw them only a few weeks back.

Just another clear example of how broken and fake the trust system is.