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June 23, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
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I'm 50/50 on whether to support the flag or not. On 1 hand, you were just a manager and no company is going to tell an employee we are going to scam everyone. It just doesn't happen, but I am curious when you @BoXXob came to the conclusion investors were being scammed and why you didn't make a post here at least warning people?

I left BitDice around a year before the site went down. I had my own life to focus on and I did not even log into Bitcointalk for almost a year. So, at the time I left it was not clear what was happening and after that I simply wasn't around or up to date at all.

As you said, nobody told me that it was going to happen and by the time I came back on the forum, BitDice was already gone.

I hope you understand that when I left BitDice, they were not blatantly scamming anyone. That happened while I was gone.


Anybody with half a brain cell could've figured out investors were being scammed when they stopped producing quarterly reports, stopped paying dividends, and started making countless excuses for why progress was not being made. When you left this had already been going on for 2 years.

Made an assumption, sure. They had not done anything irrevocable until they actually started scamming users. Up until I left, they made me promises that things would be turning around. Concrete things that gave some reason to believe that were things like them hiring new developers.

It seems clear to me that I will not be able to convince people that my genuine purpose at BitDice was to help players and investors with what I could.

May I add some discussions I've had with Alan regarding my concerns about addressing investors. I hope this atleast proves that I was actively trying to make sure that investors would be addressed. Keep in mind that it often took months until something concrete was done but oftentimes they did do what they promised eventually. So I was not expecting anything immediate. And a while after these questions, I was out of BitDice anyway.

As you can see, I asked for updates, then I followed up on them but I was being dragged on like everyone else.





And additionally, some talk about hiring developers:




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June 23, 2023, 08:07:46 PM
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Made an assumption, sure. They had not done anything irrevocable until they actually started scamming users. Up until I left, they made me promises that things would be turning around. Concrete things that gave some reason to believe that were things like them hiring new developers.

It seems clear to me that I will not be able to convince people that my genuine purpose at BitDice was to help players and investors with what I could.

May I add some discussions I've had with Alan regarding my concerns about addressing investors. I hope this atleast proves that I was actively trying to make sure that investors would be addressed. Keep in mind that it often took months until something concrete was done but oftentimes they did do what they promised eventually. So I was not expecting anything immediate. And a while after these questions, I was out of BitDice anyway.

As you can see, I asked for updates, then I followed up on them but I was being dragged on like everyone else.

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And additionally, some talk about hiring developers:

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A bunch of vague promises and kicking the can down the road are textbook examples of rugpull behavior. Even if it was a minor role you played, going along with their BS for 2 years makes you complicit in their scam.

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September 16, 2023, 03:44:25 AM
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Quick post with some new information/update for anyone interested.

BoXXoB has come back to being active on the forum and has since been hired to promote a new casino called l0tt0.com who has a mysterious owner (dewez) with a vague (and very innocently described) background, he also happens to not care about the background of BoXXoB due to his unbased, blind trust toward him.

Thread: L0tt0.com. I have asked questions in that thread for some information.

Whether or not BoXXoB is innocent in not knowing about the scam as he describes, I still believe he should have at least some accountability due to the weight he obviously carried in promoting this scam, and his ignorance/negligence throughout the entire process of it becoming a scam.
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Quick post with some new information/update for anyone interested.

BoXXoB has come back to being active on the forum and has since been hired to promote a new casino called l0tt0.com who has a mysterious owner (dewez) with a vague (and very innocently described) background, he also happens to not care about the background of BoXXoB due to his unbased, blind trust toward him.

Thread: L0tt0.com. I have asked questions in that thread for some information.

Whether or not BoXXoB is innocent in not knowing about the scam as he describes, I still believe he should have at least some accountability due to the weight he obviously carried in promoting this scam, and his ignorance/negligence throughout the entire process of it becoming a scam.

I looked through that l0tt0 thread and the replies were expectedly dissapointing. People are so terrified of being excluded from future signature campaigns managed by this person that they will either white knight for him and the casino or just look the other way. Very few people are actually willing to call out questionable behavior when they feel there is risk of losing out on a payday. Those that do speak out end up getting trolled and gaslighted.

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September 18, 2023, 06:21:10 PM
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Some things to clarify for reference. I may be repeating some things.

1. BitDice was initially not a scam. Everyone that has any idea knows they were initially a very reputable casino. It was the same expectations that investors had under which I promoted the casino.

I did most of my promoting for BitDice before and shortly after ICO. And after November/December 2020 I did not run a campaign of any sort for BitDice. After that I was nothing more than a support staff and new management did not keep me in the loop about most of the things.

2. BenCodie misrepresents facts by overestimating the size of BitDice scam.

Right after ICO, BitDice sold a large portion of the ICO proceedings. This is public information. There were also exploits that cost the casino large amounts (an example was user exploiting a slot game bug for hundreds of ETH). These were made public. Then there were players who won large amounts legitimately. Based on this and my understanding, BitDice kept making losses and did not turn a profit. Not taking into account running expenses.

3. Based on previous point, BitDice lost a lot of money. This is what I believe ultimately led to the scam when they had lost too much. I do not believe it was planned in advance.

4. During the time I was at BitDice, there was no clear scam happening. They were paying players and at any moment could have started producing reports for investors and everyone would have been more or less happy.

5. I believe what lead to lack of quarterly reports was the losses the casino was making. Not something pre-planned.

6. The management were not good at their job. They focused on the wrong things instead of fixing existing issues. This lead to amount of issues such as bugs growing exponentially.

7. Based on all the previous points, my view is that BitDice tried to make the casino successful but failed miserably.

8. I naively thought for a long time that BitDice would become successful and would make investors whole. This is why I stayed. This is why I kept listening to investors and their concerns. I do not know why BenCodie seems to think there is malice in my involvement. I think it is largely because the full picture is not visible here on Bitcointalk. All the effort I put into making sure investors' questions were answered is not visible here. That makes it easy to point fingers.

9. Going back to what I mentioned in the first point, I did not do promotion of BitDice after November/December 2020. This is one part of why I think blaming me is rather out of proportion.

10. In hindsight, it is clear I should have seen the red flags sooner and left but as I have said, there was no absolutely clear as day scam happening before I left. Only behavior that could lead to it ultimately. But the fact that I stayed with BitDice so long did not make investors' situation any worse. I would argue that I was a big impact on investors being addressed at all. Of course it did not help in the end but I tried my best.



What I personally want to know is what happened to Alex. Why did he leave and what was the actual purpose of the new management? Did the new management purchase the site and fail to turn it into anything this miserably or is there something else involved?

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September 19, 2023, 10:02:47 PM
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Some things to clarify for reference. I may be repeating some things.

1. BitDice was initially not a scam. Everyone that has any idea knows they were initially a very reputable casino. It was the same expectations that investors had under which I promoted the casino.

I did most of my promoting for BitDice before and shortly after ICO. And after November/December 2020 I did not run a campaign of any sort for BitDice. After that I was nothing more than a support staff and new management did not keep me in the loop about most of the things.

2. BenCodie misrepresents facts by overestimating the size of BitDice scam.

Right after ICO, BitDice sold a large portion of the ICO proceedings. This is public information. There were also exploits that cost the casino large amounts (an example was user exploiting a slot game bug for hundreds of ETH). These were made public. Then there were players who won large amounts legitimately. Based on this and my understanding, BitDice kept making losses and did not turn a profit. Not taking into account running expenses.

3. Based on previous point, BitDice lost a lot of money. This is what I believe ultimately led to the scam when they had lost too much. I do not believe it was planned in advance.

4. During the time I was at BitDice, there was no clear scam happening. They were paying players and at any moment could have started producing reports for investors and everyone would have been more or less happy.

5. I believe what lead to lack of quarterly reports was the losses the casino was making. Not something pre-planned.

6. The management were not good at their job. They focused on the wrong things instead of fixing existing issues. This lead to amount of issues such as bugs growing exponentially.

7. Based on all the previous points, my view is that BitDice tried to make the casino successful but failed miserably.

8. I naively thought for a long time that BitDice would become successful and would make investors whole. This is why I stayed. This is why I kept listening to investors and their concerns. I do not know why BenCodie seems to think there is malice in my involvement. I think it is largely because the full picture is not visible here on Bitcointalk. All the effort I put into making sure investors' questions were answered is not visible here. That makes it easy to point fingers.

9. Going back to what I mentioned in the first point, I did not do promotion of BitDice after November/December 2020. This is one part of why I think blaming me is rather out of proportion.

10. In hindsight, it is clear I should have seen the red flags sooner and left but as I have said, there was no absolutely clear as day scam happening before I left. Only behavior that could lead to it ultimately. But the fact that I stayed with BitDice so long did not make investors' situation any worse. I would argue that I was a big impact on investors being addressed at all. Of course it did not help in the end but I tried my best.



What I personally want to know is what happened to Alex. Why did he leave and what was the actual purpose of the new management? Did the new management purchase the site and fail to turn it into anything this miserably or is there something else involved?

I'm not the one misrepresenting facts. You are with all of these (factual or or infactual) excuses you're making for the casino.

1. Nothing this major is a scam from the beginning.
2. I'm not misrepresenting anythibg. They ran an ICO, raised what was $10m~ at the time, which is now hundreds of millions or more in value that investors could have had if they didn't invest in the scam. This doesn't included the converted bankroll that I've read about.
2/3. Security exploits, big winners, etc. Does not mean anything. The management that ran BitDice and who sold those proceeds should have used those funds to continue developing on top of the casino and make it a successful business, instead, they ran off which most od the procesaes and sols it over to another party (probably for a large fee) and left them with the mess.

This is not only a scam, but an exit scam as well.

That is, if "new management" are actually different people.

One thing is for sure about new and old management in terms of similarities, they all seem to run away from their wrong doings.

4. You helped with the ICO. You helped management take the loot from investors. Investor money was probably what you got paid with. Reports don't make people more or less happy, they just keep them quiet. Results make people happy, and 99℅+ loss of investment is never going to make anyone happy.

If there was no signs of clear scam BoXXoB, then how much did you lose investing into the BitDice ICO? How many CSNO tokens do you hold?

5. How could you possibly know the the intentions of the original management if you aren't them. Additionally, it doesn't matter what intentions are, the actions say:
- BitDice (bitcointalk: dogedice.me) ran an ICO that raised in excess of $10m USD worth of crypto at the time.
- BitDice publicly sold proceeds which never seem to have been reinjected back into the business
- BitDice mismanaged funds and the BitDice business to the point where CSNO lost 99%+ of its value
- BitDice sold the casino to people who not only didn't have the capital to meet the debt accumulated by the previous owner, but who ultimately drove BitDice to a white screen.

6. And yet, you led people to believe that things were OK while you apparently saw these issues.

7. The casino had thousands of BTC in its bankroll. It was already unsuccessful based on looking at their history in the forum. What happened was, one day the owner woke up and thought "Hmm, how can I make this thousands of BTC in the BitDice bankroll mine?" ... Answer: Convert them all to a useless token and keep the liquid assets. From that point onward it's just a gradual exit.

8. Because you're naïve or it's just what you're saying to keep yourself out of trouble. Either way, you promoted the ICO and was a player in the scam whether you knew it or not, and you should be held accountable.

9. You prompted it during the ICO, you defended the business to angry investors ... You are a part of the scam.

10. You tried your best? I don't see any efforts on your part in finding the scammers, and I don't see any public apologies before I started barking...instead you tried to hide and wait for the dust to settle, and now you're suddenly back managing a campaign for another casino with another mysterious person.
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You are with all of these (factual or or infactual) excuses you're making for the casino.

They are not excuses. It's my point of view of what was happening. You are the one making a lot of assumptions based on your own feelings.

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2. I'm not misrepresenting anything.

You are. Despite what your feelings are, no matter how incompetent the management was, they did not scam the entirety of the ICO proceedings. They scammed whatever was left after their mistakes. EDIT: Unless they somehow planned it from the start which I doubt very much

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2/3. Security exploits, big winners, etc. Does not mean anything. The management that ran BitDice and who sold those proceeds should have used those funds to continue developing on top of the casino and make it a successful business, instead, they ran off which most od the procesaes and sols it over to another party (probably for a large fee) and left them with the mess.

They matter in painting the picture what was actually scammed. If, as you say, nothing this major is a scam from beginning, then it is very important to know what happened before they actually decided that scam/exit scam was their plan. You have no factual proof to say they ran with most of the proceedings. These are all assumptions. Just like I am making assumptions based on my experience.

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4. You helped with the ICO.

Yes, I helped the casino that was very reputable at the time. Investors invested because BitDice was a reputable casino. You can't pin that on me. My actions after the fact did not make investor situation any worse comparing if I never worked for BitDice.

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If there was no signs of clear scam BoXXoB

I did not say signs of clear scam. I said there was no clear scam happening. A clear scam would have been if they did not try to make things change for the better in any way. They did though. I may have given them too much benefit of the doubt but I don't like making decisions without facts. If there had been a case where I got a clear sign that investors were forgotten, then I would have acted on it.

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5. How could you possibly know the the intentions of the original management if you aren't them.

You say that as if you can't form an idea based on your interactions with someone and what they say. You are here making claims without ever having dealt with me personally. Is it not a bit hypocritical what you are asking?

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6. And yet, you led people to believe that things were OK while you apparently saw these issues.

This is a completely separate matter. When there were critical bugs or exploits, I advocated for making them public and we did. I did not lead people to think things were OK. You are making it seem like I was, as customer support, supposed to come forward about everything.

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7. What happened was, one day the owner woke up and thought "Hmm, how can I make this thousands of BTC in the BitDice bankroll mine?" ... Answer: Convert them all to a useless token and keep the liquid assets. From that point onward it's just a gradual exit.

Let me just leave this quote from you here:

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5. How could you possibly know the the intentions of the original management if you aren't them.

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8. Because you're naïve or it's just what you're saying to keep yourself out of trouble. Either way, you promoted the ICO and was a player in the scam whether you knew it or not, and you should be held accountable.

I just want to know what reality you live in. I promoted ICO of a reputable casino. Investors invested in the ICO of a reputable casino. Neither party knew what was going to happen.

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you defended the business to angry investors ...

I mostly relayed information to investors without adding any opinion or bias. What you see here on Bitcointalk is a very narrow view over the whole situation and almost all communication I had with investors did not happen here.

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10. You tried your best? I don't see any efforts on your part in finding the scammers, and I don't see any public apologies before I started barking...instead you tried to hide and wait for the dust to settle, and now you're suddenly back managing a campaign for another casino with another mysterious person.

Yes, I tried my best to keep investors informed during my time at BitDice. I don't have more information to go on about finding them than what the general public has. I was not privy to any of their private information. I also do not think it's my responsibility to find them. Neither do I feel like I need to personally apologize for the scam. I can only say that I regret working for them but apart from that, I do not owe any apologies.

You are making assumptions. I was not "hiding". I was not active on Bitcointalk for quite some time before I left BitDice. I only returned after dewez asked if I can manage their campaign. You are the one making dewez a "mysterious person". Did you not see his post where he specifically asked to message him if you had questions. Not everyone wants to make their information public on a forum.

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I think the main thing here is that none of us have full information about what happened. It's all just assumptions and personal opinions apart from the fact that they eventually ended up scamming.

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BoXXoB, how much did you lose investing into the BitDice ICO? How many CSNO tokens do you hold?

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BoXXoB, how much did you lose investing into the BitDice ICO? How many CSNO tokens do you hold?

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My bet is the answer to both of those questions are 0, as he has not mentioned anything about actually losing anything to date...only that he was apparently unaware and somewhat blindsided by old/new management like the investors were. I am surprised no trustworthy members have come to this thread and added their opinion on this whole matter. 
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BoXXoB, how much did you lose investing into the BitDice ICO? How many CSNO tokens do you hold?

I was compensated 100,000 CSNO for running the bounty campaign. I sold them shortly after the ICO because I needed the money. I was not working for BitDice at the time of the ICO and I was only hired for the bounty campaign. After the ICO they needed customer support and I took that job.

I have never invested in any ICO so BitDice is not any different.

EDIT: Consider your question being directed at any campaign manager running any bounty campaign. I took the job because I felt that the CSNO I was awarded would make it worth my time. I think the same goes for a lot of campaign managers who are partially paid in the token of the campaign they manage.

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They took 10 million and scammed customers for even more...

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They took 10 million and scammed customers for even more...

Yes, in the end they scammed players too. This did not happen during my time but after my return on the forum, I had a brief discussion with a former BitDice player and I heard that they did infact start scamming players too after I had left. It seemed that after hiring cheap support and firing long-term employees, they had decided to embark on that road.

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October 12, 2023, 04:32:38 AM
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They took 10 million and scammed customers for even more...

Yes, in the end they scammed players too. This did not happen during my time but after my return on the forum, I had a brief discussion with a former BitDice player and I heard that they did infact start scamming players too after I had left. It seemed that after hiring cheap support and firing long-term employees, they had decided to embark on that road.

It didn't happen in the end. It didn't happen after you were no longer there. The shady behavior was ongoing for years while you were still their employee. When you left it had already been 2 whole years without a quarterly report.

They made virtually no effort to address any user complaints aside from worthless reassurances from customer support so by your own definition they were scamming and it was happening well before you left.

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

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It didn't happen in the end. It didn't happen after you were no longer there. The shady behavior was ongoing for years while you were still their employee. When you left it had already been 2 whole years without a quarterly report.

I was talking about customers as in players. They did not scam players during my time. Shady behavior does not equate scam.

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They made virtually no effort to address any user complaints aside from worthless reassurances from customer support so by your own definition they were scamming and it was happening well before you left.

You are quoting my post where I clearly say a scam is if there was no effort at all. They were still doing something despite it arguably not being enough. They were also buying CSNO back for a very long time (although for a low price in the end). None of that makes sense if they were planning on exit scamming all along. They were wasting money doing those things if their ultimate plan was to exit scam. I refuse to agree with you.

I only wanted to see BitDice become successful. That is all I hoped. I did what was within my abilities to help with that. Had I gotten any solid proof of their intentions, I would not have kept it a secret. Fact is that aside from the reasons that people doubted BitDice, there was no irrefutable proof of their scam.

There is no defending the fact that they should have been producing quarterly reports. I believe the plan was to wait until BitDice turned a profit. On the other hand they could also have fabricated quarterly reports if they were planning an exit scam. In my own opinion none of what happened suggests that there was some elaborate plan to exit scam. I believe they just fucked up handling the business so badly that they saw no other way out.

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It didn't happen in the end. It didn't happen after you were no longer there. The shady behavior was ongoing for years while you were still their employee. When you left it had already been 2 whole years without a quarterly report.

I was talking about customers as in players. They did not scam players during my time. Shady behavior does not equate scam.

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They made virtually no effort to address any user complaints aside from worthless reassurances from customer support so by your own definition they were scamming and it was happening well before you left.

You are quoting my post where I clearly say a scam is if there was no effort at all. They were still doing something despite it arguably not being enough. They were also buying CSNO back for a very long time (although for a low price in the end). None of that makes sense if they were planning on exit scamming all along. They were wasting money doing those things if their ultimate plan was to exit scam. I refuse to agree with you.

I only wanted to see BitDice become successful. That is all I hoped. I did what was within my abilities to help with that. Had I gotten any solid proof of their intentions, I would not have kept it a secret. Fact is that aside from the reasons that people doubted BitDice, there was no irrefutable proof of their scam.

There is no defending the fact that they should have been producing quarterly reports. I believe the plan was to wait until BitDice turned a profit. On the other hand they could also have fabricated quarterly reports if they were planning an exit scam. In my own opinion none of what happened suggests that there was some elaborate plan to exit scam. I believe they just fucked up handling the business so badly that they saw no other way out.

I am not buying your victim act, I don't think the others are either.

Let's see if you cooperate with helping get blockchain evidence of the scam. This will show your true character and stance.

They took 10 million and scammed customers for even more...

Yes, in the end they scammed players too. This did not happen during my time but after my return on the forum, I had a brief discussion with a former BitDice player and I heard that they did infact start scamming players too after I had left. It seemed that after hiring cheap support and firing long-term employees, they had decided to embark on that road.

And yet you still defended the casino to investors, not raising any awareness any red flags or concerns.

BoXXoB, how much did you lose investing into the BitDice ICO? How many CSNO tokens do you hold?

I was compensated 100,000 CSNO for running the bounty campaign. I sold them shortly after the ICO because I needed the money. I was not working for BitDice at the time of the ICO and I was only hired for the bounty campaign. After the ICO they needed customer support and I took that job.

I have never invested in any ICO so BitDice is not any different.

EDIT: Consider your question being directed at any campaign manager running any bounty campaign. I took the job because I felt that the CSNO I was awarded would make it worth my time. I think the same goes for a lot of campaign managers who are partially paid in the token of the campaign they manage.

Requesting proof with TXIDs of your compensation.

Also requesting information about the ICO proceeds and blockchain information, since you watched the whole thing happen you would have this information.

You, as a campaign manager, will be connected to the money. Failure to disclose or cooperate will corrupt your claim of being a victim.
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This will show your true character and stance.

What about your true character and stance? You conveniently ignore most of what I say and respond to what supports your own personal agenda. I believe you're only here to boost your ego.

Yes, in the end they scammed players too. This did not happen during my time but after my return on the forum, I had a brief discussion with a former BitDice player and I heard that they did infact start scamming players too after I had left. It seemed that after hiring cheap support and firing long-term employees, they had decided to embark on that road.

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And yet you still defended the casino to investors, not raising any awareness any red flags or concerns.

What? I specifically said that they did not scam players while I was there.

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Requesting proof with TXIDs of your compensation.

Also requesting information about the ICO proceeds and blockchain information, since you watched the whole thing happen you would have this information.

I honestly don't care what you ask based on how you treat me.

I cannot provide information about ICO proceeds as I didn't handle them in any way.

I don't have a TXID from 6 years ago. The bounty campaign was public though. Even if I had the TXID, I would not feel in any way obligated to give it to you.

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You, as a campaign manager, will be connected to the money. Failure to disclose or cooperate will corrupt your claim of being a victim.

I said I managed the bounty campaign and I received compensation in CSNO from said bounty campaign. I also managed the campaign publicly. What's the secret?



This is pretty much the last straw. I've been very cooperative answering any questions. Despite the fact that I have personally never scammed anyone or been accused of any wrongdoing, I still face these accusations. I was in customer support role after running the bounty campaign. Go blame the people not here addressing your questions, the BitDice administration, and not me. I'm very much done with this discussion.

You have not shown a single bit of respect towards me.

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October 13, 2023, 04:42:26 AM
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You are quoting my post where I clearly say a scam is if there was no effort at all. They were still doing something despite it arguably not being enough. They were also buying CSNO back for a very long time (although for a low price in the end). None of that makes sense if they were planning on exit scamming all along. They were wasting money doing those things if their ultimate plan was to exit scam. I refuse to agree with you.

I only wanted to see BitDice become successful. That is all I hoped. I did what was within my abilities to help with that. Had I gotten any solid proof of their intentions, I would not have kept it a secret. Fact is that aside from the reasons that people doubted BitDice, there was no irrefutable proof of their scam.

There is no defending the fact that they should have been producing quarterly reports. I believe the plan was to wait until BitDice turned a profit. On the other hand they could also have fabricated quarterly reports if they were planning an exit scam. In my own opinion none of what happened suggests that there was some elaborate plan to exit scam. I believe they just fucked up handling the business so badly that they saw no other way out.

BitDice's questionable actions are more than enough circumstantial evidence to conclude they were scamming. We won't ever get irrefutable proof because nobody is willing to come forward to cooperate and even if there was there isn't anybody with enough authority wanting to investigate them.

Fundraising millions of dollars and allowing a site to deteriorate and only slapping on a new coat of paint to give an appearance of improvement isn't some innocent fuck up. Once they got their bag they had no intention of fulfilling promises made to investors. They only stuck around a while longer to see how much more money they could get away with scamming from their customers.

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October 13, 2023, 11:32:03 AM
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They only stuck around a while longer to see how much more money they could get away with scamming from their customers.

From what I saw, they did not gain money by sticking around. They lost money in various ways. One of them being a lot of CSNO being sold in the buyback program. Another one was exploits. Other legitimate winners. Some players lost too, of course. They scammed customers only after I left and I doubt anyone played serious amounts there anymore at that point. None of that speaks for anything other than incompetence. If they did as you say, they should have packed their bags years ago. But they didn't, they stuck around.

When I spoke to investors about it, the ones I spoke with concluded that the point hope was lost when they let go of long-time employees like me.

EDIT: I'm certainly not here in any way to defend BitDice. I'm defending myself because there's only speculation and claims that I somehow knew what was going to happen. Yet there is no proof of that or of any ill intention on my part. It's all just speculation. I've given a solid amount of background from my perspective because I think it's important. I unfortunately don't have anything else to give. Despite the fact that the tone here is very accusatory, I've taken significant time to respond questions.

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This will show your true character and stance.

What about your true character and stance? You conveniently ignore most of what I say and respond to what supports your own personal agenda. I believe you're only here to boost your ego.

You can try and flip the table, the truth is that I have no personal agenda. I see an unresolved scam worth 8-9, maybe 10 figures. That is crazy to me...and you are someone who went quiet after the scam and is no back, not addressing anything here (not in any way that is of use to victims anyway) and profiting from the forum when I think that you shouldn't be.

But let's end this right now...

This will show your true character and stance.

What about your true character and stance? You conveniently ignore most of what I say and respond to what supports your own personal agenda. I believe you're only here to boost your ego.

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Requesting proof with TXIDs of your compensation.

Also requesting information about the ICO proceeds and blockchain information, since you watched the whole thing happen you would have this information.

I honestly don't care what you ask based on how you treat me.

I cannot provide information about ICO proceeds as I didn't handle them in any way.

I don't have a TXID from 6 years ago. The bounty campaign was public though. Even if I had the TXID, I would not feel in any way obligated to give it to you.

There you have it. Proof that you are unwilling to help anyone in this thread properly investigate.

You don't need to handle transactions to have TXIDs. Unless you deleted chat logs, emails, communications, wallets, etc. (Why would you do that if you did nothing wrong?) then you'd still have a TXID that connected with your payments from bitdice. Especially for the times you were paid for your services prior to CSNO. At minimum, you'd have the TXID of the 100,000 tokens you received for your bounty campaign services.

All you need to do is look at all CSNO transfers that amounted to 100,000 and there are less than 10 results.

Also, we are in 2023. Are you now claiming you never received a single cent from bitdice since 2017?

And another thing, you are obliged to all of the people who went into the ICO from your promotion ... The people you indirectly scammed. Not me.

This is pretty much the last straw. I've been very cooperative answering any questions. Despite the fact that I have personally never scammed anyone or been accused of any wrongdoing, I still face these accusations. I was in customer support role after running the bounty campaign. Go blame the people not here addressing your questions, the BitDice administration, and not me. I'm very much done with this discussion.

You have not shown a single bit of respect towards me.

Surprise surprise. The moment some blockchain information is requested, this kind of response comes out.

I've not shown disrespect, I've made objective comments which question your integrity and reputation.

That's what comes with advertising and promoting a scam as large as this one.

That's fine, end the conversation here instead of actually cooperating by helping find blockchain evidence. Minus your whining about respect, me, and how much you've posted here to date, all your post says is that you refuse to cooperate in finding blockchain information about the ICO scam.
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The people you indirectly scammed. Not me.

You're delusional.

Unless I knowingly promoted something I knew would become a scam, I did not scam anything, even indirectly.

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I've not shown disrespect

I said you've not shown respect.

Rest of your points don't even warrant a reply. I'm not obligated to prove you anything or give you any information. The story would be wildly different if you would have provided anything that proves that I had ill intentions or knowingly spread misinformation.

You're accusing me. You provide proof.

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