by rallier

[Lauda]

Users just tagged me with the following:

Lauda   2020-02-12   Reference   He is manipulating the Default Trust system of the forum for his own benefit. Making false accusations. IMHO, I do not recommend to make a connection (or work) with him that who is working as a capital

Reference being: http://loyce.club/trust/2020-01-25_Sat_05.12h/152486.html, i.e. he tagged me for excluding him.

by rallier's judgement is Trusted by:
1. TECSHARE (Trust: +31 / =4 / -3) (DT1 (-4) 618 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. yussuf89 (Trust: neutral) (30 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. srknbyr (Trust: neutral) (79 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Lydian (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (152 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. owlcatz (Trust: +40 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (23) 260 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. cabsav (Trust: neutral) (68 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. ekiller (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 307 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. alpsea (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (48 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Aqualung89 (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Defloration (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. Aceeakell (Trust: neutral) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. otto_diesel (Trust: +1 / =1 / -2) (DT1 (-4) 445 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. bobita (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-3) 411 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. Vispilio (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (DT1 (-2) 824 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. wolwoo (Trust: +2 / =2 / -3) (DT1 (-9) 443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. AlyattesLydia (Trust: neutral) (455 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. Leteravian (Trust: neutral) (158 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. leprakon (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. Bthd (Trust: neutral) (194 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. cryptobenn (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. heyhat (Trust: neutral) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Stuff like this needs to stop.  

For transparency, my response is a neutral rating:

Lauda   2020-02-13   Reference   Tagged me for exercising my right of excluding users from my trust list, and therefore shows untrustworthy judgement. I would avoid dealing with such users.

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[The Cryptovator]

Red tag isn't visible by default. Its seems to me by rallier (-1). Don't know if he excluded from DT2 recently. But nothing to worry since he is no more on default trust network. And whoever trust him most of them are excluded from DT1 except owlcatz. The reference links isn't appropriate for this negative feedback, means its false accusation in my opinion. However, your neutral feedback is fine for now instead of retaliatory negative.

[Lauda]

Red tag isn't visible by default. Its seems to me by rallier (-1). Don't know if he excluded from DT2 recently. But nothing to worry since he is no more on default trust network. And whoever trust him most of them are excluded from DT1 except owlcatz. The reference links isn't appropriate for this negative feedback, means its false accusation in my opinion. However, your neutral feedback is fine for now instead of retaliatory negative.

Current DT situation is not the point, it rotates. I indeed have missed this, and thus have PM'd owlcatz to remove him. Thanks.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

DT is manipulated so easily these days, something needs to be done about it. Just the other day one of the Russian trolls wormed his way in, peloso.

We have a situation where the local boards are a problem. All the guys from one nation stick together. The main problems are the Turkish, Russian & Philippines boards. They all circle jerk each other into DT, regardless of whether they trust each other or not. It’s just, ‘oh he’s a fellow countryman, I’ll add him to my trust list’.

They need educating because it’s fucking dangerous. I wouldn’t be surprised to see large scams facilitated by the way the above mentioned boards slip unworthy people into DT.

[hilariousetc]

DT is manipulated so easily these days, something needs to be done about it. Just the other day one of the Russian trolls wormed his way in, peloso.

We have a situation where the local boards are a problem. All the guys from one nation stick together. The main problems are the Turkish, Russian & Philippines boards. They all circle jerk each other into DT, regardless of whether they trust each other or not. It’s just, ‘oh he’s a fellow countryman, I’ll add him to my trust list’.

They need educating because it’s fucking dangerous. I wouldn’t be surprised to see large scams facilitated by the way the above mentioned boards slip unworthy people into DT.

The old system was better. I always said no matter what you do people will complain but completely overhauling it because of a few whiners just leads to more crying and confusion and changing it to stop one abuse just leads to another and it's obvious now that it's easier to collude to abuse the system. We probably don't know the full extent the abuse goes on in some of the locals, especially ones like the Turkish board.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

DT is manipulated so easily these days, something needs to be done about it. Just the other day one of the Russian trolls wormed his way in, peloso.

We have a situation where the local boards are a problem. All the guys from one nation stick together. The main problems are the Turkish, Russian & Philippines boards. They all circle jerk each other into DT, regardless of whether they trust each other or not. It’s just, ‘oh he’s a fellow countryman, I’ll add him to my trust list’.

They need educating because it’s fucking dangerous. I wouldn’t be surprised to see large scams facilitated by the way the above mentioned boards slip unworthy people into DT.

The old system was better. I always said no matter what you do people will complain but completely overhauling it because of a few whiners just leads to more crying and confusion and changing it to stop one abuse just leads to another and it's obvious now that it's easier to collude to abuse the system. We probably don't know the full extent the abuse goes on in some of the locals, especially ones like the Turkish board.

Exactly, I imagine it’s a simple, you scratch mine & I’ll scratch yours. Literally 10 PM’s & you’re in.

[TMAN]

Exactly, I imagine it’s a simple, you scratch mine & I’ll scratch yours. Literally 10 PM’s & you’re in.

maybe its time Theymos updated the criteria, 1000 merits per vote or something that is harder to achieve.

[TECSHARE]

I wonder who these guys learned all these standards from...

[Timelord2067]

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Perhaps if you didn't keep posting bile such as this on random users trust feedback walls then you wouldn't get your knickers in a knot.






Let's examine this shall we? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872;page=sent;offset=0

Just one positive trust feedback, four or five neutral trust feedback then the other 495 trust feedback are all negative. (and that's just the first 500 of your trust feedback posts from recent working backwards from today)  

We probably don't know the full extent the abuse goes on in some of the locals, especially ones like the Turkish board.

Like I tried to warn you about?

[Lauda]

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Perhaps if you didn't keep posting bile such as this on random users trust feedback walls then you wouldn't get your knickers in a knot.

Those ratings are appropriate and unrelated. If you have any complaints, you can PM theymos.

[Timelord2067]

Those ratings are appropriate and unrelated. If you have any complaints, you can PM theymos.

Nice deflection - look to the skies and ask for Devine intervention.  

theymos never responded to my question in his most recent thread.  I have no doubt he won't respond to your wailing then or now.

[johhnyUA]

We have a situation where the local boards are a problem. All the guys from one nation stick together. The main problems are the Turkish, Russian & Philippines boards. They all circle jerk each other into DT, regardless of whether they trust each other or not. It’s just, ‘oh he’s a fellow countryman, I’ll add him to my trust list’.

They need educating because it’s fucking dangerous. I wouldn’t be surprised to see large scams facilitated by the way the above mentioned boards slip unworthy people into DT.

Your concerns about russian board is too high. In russian local, compared for example to turkish there no trust-because-origin but in return there some trolls and haters from russian local into DT.

And yep, i really think that previous trust system was much better, at least, for people from local sections. There was no trust wars, trust disputes and other useless shit. Russian local topic about "reputation" had grown up to 350 pages since new strust system were invented. 350.......

They need educating because it’s fucking dangerous. I wouldn’t be surprised to see large scams facilitated by the way the above mentioned boards slip unworthy people into DT.

It's hard to do something about that. After i got into DT1, i received few proposes from different people to add them in exchange to add me. I told them that i'm not interested in such kind of things.

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Perhaps if you didn't keep posting bile such as this on random users trust feedback walls then you wouldn't get your knickers in a knot.

Tagging liars is an appropriate way. Liar is such kind of person, that if he's lying for someone reputation (where he doesn't have any interest), then with no doubt he would lie about trading and money cases.
 

[Blacknavy]

trust-because-origin

It would be funny

They just have been mading up stories in order to maintain their DT status and to join high-paid sig campaigns. Not only in the Turkish local forum, but in the whole boards, people no longer use this forum. There are just sig gangs and shooters here. Getting 0.0375 btc weekly is enough to fuck the forum.

[DireWolfM14]

Exactly, I imagine it’s a simple, you scratch mine & I’ll scratch yours. Literally 10 PM’s & you’re in.

maybe its time Theymos updated the criteria, 1000 merits per vote or something that is harder to achieve.

For months I've been suggesting that the qualification criteria be revised.  At the very least I think it's time to increase the number of DT1 inclusions to qualify for DT2.  Right now a member only needs on DT1 inclusion to be on DT2, I would like to see it raised to at least two, maybe three would be better.  

An increase in the merit requirements for votes and super-votes might be a bit premature, but I suspect that's not far down the line either.  Over the last couple of months we've had as many as 126 people qualify for DT1, out of which 100 are randomly selected.  I prefer that DT1 remain limited to 100 members, but the more people qualify the more randomized it'll be.  I'm not sure how people feel about that, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, but I tend to prefer stability.  So, we can either increase the number of DT1 members, or reduce the number members who qualify.

Your concerns about russian board is too high. In russian local, compared for example to turkish there no trust-because-origin but in return there some trolls and crypto haters from russian local into DT.

I agree with this statement.  There were issues with the Russian members and their inclusions in the past, but I think that's mostly resolved now.

[truth or dare]

There is no doubt that lauda deserves a warning on their accounts. It is a shame that the person giving it is not default trust. It would be best if people included this member on their trust lists.

Laura does manipulate the trust system and does abuse it when and where he likes.  Even theymos wanted him removed, or so he said.

Theymos distrusts tman also. Lauda's key supporter.

Lauda does PM people, and pressures them to make changes to their trust lists as evidence demonstrates.

This red trust is a good first step. May many more follow.

Stop whining and crying and create a system where objective evidence of scamming or strong intent to scam is require for a trust rating.

Laura has red trust people for far more inappropriate reasons. Too bad.

[marlboroza]

So message is: "I will tag anyone who dares to exclude me" 

I have no clue how some users are picking users for trust list, but by rallier made me think, these are users they have in trust network http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-08_Sat_07.44h/152486.html

by rallier Trusts these users' judgement:
14. otto_diesel (Trust: +0 / =1 / -2) (445 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. bobita (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-1) 412 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. Blacknavy (Trust: +4 / =1 / -1) (847 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
[...]

Blacknavy accused otto_diesel:

Here is the truth about Turkish local forum,
All of these stories were made up by the forum user Otto_diesel who is troll and jihadist because I gave him a distrust two weeks ago. I have always approached him in good faith until now, but he has great psychological problems and has a personality problem.

Otto_diesel is trust abuser, merit abuser, bounty abuser, troll, jihadist and he has symptoms of chronic schizophrenia. You can find all the proofs below, check carefully.
[...]

So how can by rallier trust both Blacknavy and otto_diesel?  


And account bobita http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-08_Sat_07.44h/963279.html :

bobita Trusts these users' judgement:
2. NEW peloso (Trust: +3 / =2 / -3) (DT1 (-2) 130 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
[...]

bobita's judgement is Trusted by:
[...]
2. NEW peloso (Trust: +3 / =2 / -3) (DT1 (-2) 130 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
[...]

I don't see account bobita posted anything outside Turkish local board, on the other hand account peloso posts mostly in Russian local.  How they decided to add each other as users "whose judgement I trust" on the same week, I have no fucking idea. Oh, wait, there is something in peloso's trust wall about manipulation of DT


Week "number 55" http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-01_Sat_05.15h/963279.html

bobita Trusts these users' judgement:
18. NEW Vispilio (Trust: +0 / =1 / -3) (DT1 (-2) 826 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

bobita's judgement is Trusted by:
8. NEW Vispilio (Trust: +0 / =1 / -3) (DT1 (-2) 826 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Week "number 56" http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-08_Sat_07.44h/963279.html

bobita Trusts these users' judgement:
2. NEW peloso (Trust: +3 / =2 / -3) (DT1 (-2) 130 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. NEW KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 604 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. NEW 3meek (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (DT1 (-1) 190 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Vispilio Trusts these users' judgement:
4. NEW peloso (Trust: +3 / =2 / -3) (DT1 (-2) 130 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. NEW KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 604 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. NEW 3meek (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (DT1 (-1) 190 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

This negative doesn't surprise me at all. There are just more and more shits going on.

[Blacknavy]

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Don’t think about it. Just keep sending distrust/red trust to people you never know. Bitcoin investors have already gone from here.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

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Don’t think about it. Just keep sending distrust/red trust to people you never know. Bitcoin investors have already gone from here.

Speak for yourself, bruh!

[Blacknavy]

Speak for yourself, bruh!

I must have forgotten

[DireWolfM14]

Oh, wait, there is something in peloso's trust wall about manipulation of DT

I don't know if peloso is learning how the trust system works, or he has been attempting to promote himself.  I noticed him when he added me to his trust list a couple of months ago, then removed me a couple of weeks later.  If you go back even further in the trust inclusion/exclusion history you'll see what I mean.

He was first voted onto DT1 in the beginning of December.  The week preceding 2019.07.14 he added 150 members to his inclusion list, and 114 more the week after that.  The following week he removed 24, then removed 25 more the week after that.  All of the members he removed are those that did not reciprocate his inclusion.  A couple of weeks later he purged his inclusion list of everyone that did not have him included.  His modifications cause me to suspect that he was including people with the expectation that they would reciprocate.  Like I said before, I don't know if that's the case, I've never asked him to explain his actions.

I'm mostly pointing to peloso as an example of misusing the trust system.  Whether it was an attempt to experiment with inclusions/exclusions, or an effort to promote himself in the trust system, it's the wrong way to go about it.  Sometimes I think it might be due to a lack of understanding, but with LoyceV's guide already translated into 12 languages, one would think that wouldn't be an issue.