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February 20, 2020, 02:13:33 PM
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Hi everyone,
I usually want to learn another language to post in other local section. But, I saw many cases, if the user post in 2 local languages, he will be suspected by hacked account or using google translator... and ended by red trust from the DT.
Example :

The account was active from 2014 to April 2017 with Indonesian and English language.
Since November 15, 2017, this account was found in a person who writes only in Russian language.
Participates in the signature bounty of the campaign and is engaged in shitposting only.

Proof that the account is compromised:
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Job4Bitcoin   2017-03-01   0.00000000   Reference   Sent file contain virus
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=376479

Link to his profile:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=376479

I know learning another language is not something very easy and simple to understand. English is not my first language, I have learned English for a long time since 2010, but still not perfect. Maybe if I learn the another language, my grammar is also not perfect. But at least I know how to write with that language and expressing what I mean.

So, can user post in multiple local board? If can, what about the user's have bad grammar? It's still allowed?
Till now I never saw members post using English language and 2 other local languages, or maybe I don't know him

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February 20, 2020, 02:18:48 PM
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12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated).
As the rule says, it is not allowable if you use Google translator to make your poor quality translations and spam in many boards.

It's easy to see if you do it, very poor quality and post in many boards. If you do this, someone will report you and your google-translated posts to moderators.

How many boards would be called as multiple, in your opinion?
2? It's ok
5? It's a big question
10? It's mostly have shady interests behind.

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February 20, 2020, 02:35:37 PM
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<…> So, can user post in multiple local board? If can, what about the user's have bad grammar? It's still allowed?
Of course you can post on multiple local boards. It’s one of the advantages of those that master more than one language, and one can even translate his own posts into multiple languages if he want to. What you can’t do is use translation tools to post in other languages (you therefore must master it on a decent level).

Regarding grammar, as I said before, you should have a decent command of those languages you post in; at least to make it understandable without having to infer its meaning. Now if the grammar is poor, your post may be reported by someone due to considering it of low value (if it turns out to be pretty incomprehensible). Then again, it may not be reported and live there happily ever after.

What you mentioned in the OP regarding the allegedly compromised account, well, that does happen. Sometimes accounts are hacked, sold or lent to another person, who in turn posts in a different language and/or style and/or sections. The different language is not a problem per-se, but rather more a possible thread from which to pull to uncover something.

This is now nearly a year old, but take a look at section 3 to see some forum members that have been merited on multiple local boards at some point (Analysis – The Multilingual gene).
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February 20, 2020, 02:39:13 PM
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That is really a good question, I also want to know about this topic if it is allowed or not, personally I know some people that are fluent in many languages. I guess here in Bitcointalk there is a person who knows a lot of languages who can read and write fluently I am curious if he posted in different languages too.
Reading on unofficial rules I don't find a rule stating that you cannot post in different local board, I hope someone will clarify this out.
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February 20, 2020, 02:40:20 PM
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Your quoted post's reason is mostly because of a suspected hacked account, not entirely because he's posting to multiple local boards.
The solid proof is he's starting to post links to viruses.

As far as I can tell, there's no general rule on posting to other's local board as long as it's not categorized as "spam".

This is the only "translation-related" rule in the unofficial rules list:
Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.
What I get is: that's for topic translations (means a translated copy of an existing thread or article), not for general/original replies and posts.
Just do not spam.

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February 20, 2020, 02:42:49 PM
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The reason was already stated quite clearly as to why the cases you found were banned though?

Participates in the signature bounty of the campaign and is engaged in shitposting only.

He mostly wouldn't have been found out if the quality of his posts were the same when he posted in the Indonesian local boards, but it seemed like some people noticed the changes in quality of his posts when he switched over to the Russian board, which led to people having suspicions that the said account has been hacked/sold/owned by someone else. There's also the note that it has sent some files containing virus which has most probably been reviewed already, which is another reason for the ban

So answering your question, yes you can. As long as they aren't google translated and the poster himself/herself actually understands the language and the logic behind what he/she posted, then I think it's fine.

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February 20, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
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So answering your question, yes you can. As long as they aren't google translated and the poster himself/herself actually understands the language and the logic behind what he/she posted, then I think it's fine.
Read the rule quoted by nc50lc above. Using Goolge translator or any other automated translator to help you communicate with other members on their local boards is not prohibited as long as you are translating your own words.

@op, you can post on any local board. It's fine as long as you are not spamming. If your posts are adding value to the discussion then no one would care about grammatical mistakes.

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This is the only "translation-related" rule in the unofficial rules list:
Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.
What I get is: that's for topic translations (means a translated copy of an existing thread or article), not for general/original replies and posts.
I'm not sure it only applies to topics. According to the rule number #12 it's allowed to post the same post in local boards if it's translated.
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12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated).
Interpreting the rule #27 as you're doing would lead to allow people to post advertising posts in all local sections by simply google translated them. Or someone having a post well appreciated to repost it in all local boards to earn more merits or to increase his amount of posts.
So I think the case you're referring is just a common tolerance among local moderators but not a current rule.

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February 20, 2020, 03:32:11 PM
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So, can user post in multiple local board? If can, what about the user's have bad grammar? It's still allowed?
Till now I never saw members post using English language and 2 other local languages, or maybe I don't know him


As what others already have said, it isn't prohibited as long as you do not disobey any forum rules. Learning a lot of languages defines how intelligent a person was. But with the matter you've mentioned, hacked accounts can only be banned if and only if the owner would report it with valid proofs that the hacked account is his. But then in the end, posting in multiple languages is rare and in most cases, acceptable.

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February 20, 2020, 03:59:25 PM
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He mostly wouldn't have been found out if the quality of his posts were the same when he posted in the Indonesian local boards, but it seemed like some people noticed the changes in quality of his posts when he switched over to the Russian board, which led to people having suspicions that the said account has been hacked/sold/owned by someone else.
So you really think someone has been able to notice a change in the quality of his posts between his russian posts and his indonesian ones?  Cheesy
Well I know russian people are very clever but I don't think many of them are fluent in Indonesian...  Roll Eyes  
What is not tolerated IMO it's rather to switch from only one language writing to another one without writing anymore in the previous one...
Trying to learn another language is just a BS justification in this case to try to fool people IMO.

The account was active from 2014 to April 2017 with Indonesian and English language.
Since November 15, 2017, this account was found in a person who writes only in Russian language.

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February 21, 2020, 12:08:47 AM
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This answer should be answered on case by case basis, but I don't see nothing strange or wrong if user is posting in multiple local boards. Offcourse, I'm not talking about these who knows language with help of Google translate.
Many people know multiple foreign languages. For example, for me English is my first foreign language, I also know Russian which is second, so I know 3 languages in total. I also would like to learn Deutsch or Spanish, but unfortunately I don't have time for it... I know in personal some people who know even 4 or 5 foreign languages.
But unfortunately here on Bitcointalk, if user post on multiple local boards, usually it means that's hacked or bought account or he is using translate app...

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February 21, 2020, 01:08:10 AM
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This is now nearly a year old, but take a look at section 3 to see some forum members that have been merited on multiple local boards at some point (Analysis – The Multilingual gene).

Nice post about this @DdmrDdmr, Ive read it and see some interesting users especially this one Leteravian who earned merits from 9 local boards? I think that's an amazing talent which is highly appraising. Not so many people can speak and write fluently on different languages.

So to answer OP, query obviously its not prohibited with some clauses of " dont use translation tool"

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February 21, 2020, 01:08:42 AM
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You can as long as you are not spamming the other local boards and you should create a thread in the local board that you want to adopt your intention to be part of the local board, and as long as your post is understandable and within the topic, you will not have issues or problems posting on two boards, it's all about following the rules of the local board.

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February 21, 2020, 03:56:49 AM
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If the reason is for language learning, I don't think using this forum is good for that. You might want to find another forum or join polyglot communities where posting/learning language from the basic is the purpose of everything, which means you can post even if the quality of your posts are still 'garbage'.

I'm learning Korean right now, but I won't consider posting on the Korean board. However, reading the posts for grammar/Hangeul remembering is a good thing to do.

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February 21, 2020, 04:31:45 AM
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I am sure anyone will not be prohibited from posting on some local boards if they are able to master the language. But we are not recommended to post on local boards where the language is not well mastered and only rely on translation. Even if we force to post it will increase the chance that the post will be deleted by the moderator due to poor grammar.

You are also not forbidden to learn more languages ​​here as I do now, English is not my native language but I study and continue to try to write as well as possible so that it can be understood by all users.

Writing to a number of different local board often indicates that the account has been sold or lent to other users so that the account can be negative trust by DT and I agree with you. But to prove that the account is owned by the same person, it is hoped to send a signed message.

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February 23, 2020, 08:36:00 AM
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The reason for banning accounts when speaking in more than one language is not the language but the suspicion that ownership of these accounts has changed, especially since many of those accounts were speaking in a specific language for a long time, and then the language begins to change as is the writing style and quality of posts.

Learn that language and try to understand the words and answer some of the responses without being low quality.

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February 23, 2020, 06:49:37 PM
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Hi everyone,
I usually want to learn another language to post in other local section. But, I saw many cases, if the user post in 2 local languages, he will be suspected by hacked account or using google translator... and ended by red trust from the DT.
Example :

The account was active from 2014 to April 2017 with Indonesian and English language.
Since November 15, 2017, this account was found in a person who writes only in Russian language.
Participates in the signature bounty of the campaign and is engaged in shitposting only.

Proof that the account is compromised:
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Job4Bitcoin   2017-03-01   0.00000000   Reference   Sent file contain virus
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=376479

Link to his profile:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=376479

I know learning another language is not something very easy and simple to understand. English is not my first language, I have learned English for a long time since 2010, but still not perfect. Maybe if I learn the another language, my grammar is also not perfect. But at least I know how to write with that language and expressing what I mean.

So, can user post in multiple local board? If can, what about the user's have bad grammar? It's still allowed?
Till now I never saw members post using English language and 2 other local languages, or maybe I don't know him


I know there are no problems to post in various forums, as long as I don't use external tools to translate. You must know several languages ​​to avoid spam. Even if you speak other languages, you can help translate to provide more information to others. That is, you can be a translation tool, without forgetting the quality, as it will be easy to recognize if you are using a Google translator.
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February 24, 2020, 03:49:53 AM
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You must first state on the board that you want to post or message the moderator that you want to post on that section even though it's your adoptive language, some topics on the local boards are all about the current situation about Cryptocurrency in that country, something that you cannot understand because of your location. 

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