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February 17, 2020, 06:59:25 PM
Last edit: February 17, 2020, 07:12:11 PM by wwzsocki
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Not unless you ask a mod. If you're confused just said a friendly PM to the sub board mods to see if they can shed some light on it. If you're repeatedly having posts removed that you don't believe should have been then either contact an admin/Global or create thread in Meta with an argument as to why you believe they were removed in error...

TBH I opened this thread

...to discuss in a wider group the need to enrich the information that the user receives after his post is removed, but also quietly counted to find out the reason for deleting my posts, because I do not want to spam, a few additional moderators with PMs if I still even don't know who did it?

It would be great if you read the OP because there are all the needed details.

I have already sent two weeks ago few PMs to mods from the mining section and only received a reply from Gmaxwell, but he hasn't removed my posts and also can't see the clear reason for deletion.

Despite that he is a mod from this section, he couldn't help much either (at least answered my PM after just one day, thanks Gmaxwell).

...I started by sending PM's to mods from the mining board: Gmaxwell and Frodocooper, kindly asking for explanation and help.





Only moderator Gmaxwell was so kind to answer and did it very fast after only one day:



Removed posts are also there in the OP, together with links to threads and all other info, so if you would be so kind to check them and answer here in the thread what you found it would be also great.

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February 18, 2020, 03:20:59 AM
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I deleted wwzsocki's posts because I have reason to believe that he made those posts merely for the sake of qualifying for ChipMixer's signature campaign. Note the timestamp of wwzsocki's application:

Username: wwzsocki
Post Count: 5031
BTC Address (must be SegWit): 3K4SRdXd6225BQufBPC3qLH2vz4tsadC3Q

As far as I'm aware, wwzsocki had never posted on any of the Mining boards throughout my time as moderator. He started posting there only after being apparently advised by DarkStar_ to do so:

... Last time we have a talk after recruitment and you advised me to write across more boards (which I did), but seems to be still not enough.

Would you be so kind and answer, please? I want to know what shall I do or change to have a better chance next time?

He has also referred to posting on this forum as "work":

... these are long working hours that have been irrevocably removed.

... but in 1% of the cases hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Wwzsocki doesn't appear to be working for the Bitcoin Forum as a moderator or an administrator. Therefore, I believe that it is reasonable to infer from at least these words that he sees this forum as primarily, if not exclusively, a mere opportunity for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns. His post history, especially with regards to his various endorsements of something called GOLD, his participation in its bounty campaign, and his recent application for at least one other signature campaign, bears witness to wwzsocki's motives for posting. DarkStar_ himself noticed this, as did asche and suchmoon:

Yeah, I mean posting style. I agree with asche here...

It kinda looks like you are trying to change your postings habits to match the campaign... That usually doesn't go too well... I would be better to find a campaign that suits your natural posting (without any paid incentive) and not the other way around...

You're trying too hard and you're using 500 words where 5 would suffice: "Thanks, will try next time".

Also, posts are just that: posts. What significance do they have in your life that you feel compelled to make such an earnest effort to vindicate the worth of your posts and your self-perceived literary and intellectual prowess? Is not life more important than posts on a forum that 99.99% of the world isn't even aware of? Unless, of course, this forum serves primarily or exclusively as a mere means to financial gain for you, because any action on the part of the forum's staff that is detrimental to that goal is then taken as a threat to your material self-interests.

Therefore, to be clear, I have zero tolerance for anyone whom I have reason to believe is posting exclusively or primarily for mere financial gain through signature or bounty campaigns. This forum is intended to facilitate reasonable discussions made in good faith according to its rules. (I'm of the opinion that signature campaigns are generally detrimental to this forum's usefulness.) Additionally, the Mining boards are for facilitating serious discussions of bitcoin mining-related topics according to the rules of that section and the standards of the Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower boards. Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining and a genuine eagerness to contribute quality discourse without regard for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns, then he is not welcome in the Mining section.
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February 18, 2020, 03:37:16 AM
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I have to ask, if the posts aren't garbage and contain anything even moderately useful or entertaining, then what does the motivation matter?
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  to illustrate an issue of deletion of a post that harms mining board would be if op had posted.  in alt coin mining


Good deal on a ryzen 9 3900x best buy has it for

$469


retailmenot has a 10% cashback promo


so if you already belong to retailmenot go to their site  punch in best buy find the 10% cash back offer and go for it.


https://www.retailmenot.com/


if you do not belong to them and want to join them  use the non referral link above

below is the  link to the 10% offer up to 50 usd back  since the item is 469  you will get 46.90 off

https://www.retailmenot.com/cashback/2/25S36HPRBZAYZIAL6BF6P6LEJQ

these are not available with the 10% offer.
https://www.retailmenot.com/cashback/restrictions/12008415



So for me   469 - 47 =  422   tax was 33  so 455  lastly I used a best buy card  so  25 more off  my net for a new sealed cpu was  455-25 = 430

good price . ...



this info is of real value to any miner looking to mine with a risen 9 3900x

the info is good there is no effort to get referral money if you buy.

it is just a way to get a discounted ryzen 9 3900x cpu.

no one that wants that cpu cares if the poster made 20 USD in btc from a signature campaign.

It is work only done for op to make money from the signature campaign but and a big but the post has real money saving value to a miner.

This is why being a mod is really hard.  In the case of the post above the mod needs to know usa prices and that the info will save a miner 50 to 100 usd.  he must also know it is not a sneak referral link .  it is not.

if it is a clean post designed to help miners like the one above is it should stand who cares if the poster earned some coin from signature campaign.

It makes a mod's job hard to do correctly.

 I am not a fan of signature campaign's.
 I ended my signature years ago.

I still know  Signature's are legal if a poster gives good info.

So deleting it does not help others.

Now as too the op giving a good post or 2 I had trouble reading the print but it did look okay.

I think frodocooper could have left it up.


 

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February 18, 2020, 05:23:55 AM
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I deleted wwzsocki's posts because I have reason to believe that he made those posts merely for the sake of qualifying for ChipMixer's signature campaign. Note the timestamp of wwzsocki's application:

Username: wwzsocki
Post Count: 5031
BTC Address (must be SegWit): 3K4SRdXd6225BQufBPC3qLH2vz4tsadC3Q

As far as I'm aware, wwzsocki had never posted on any of the Mining boards throughout my time as moderator. He started posting there only after being apparently advised by DarkStar_ to do so:

... Last time we have a talk after recruitment and you advised me to write across more boards (which I did), but seems to be still not enough.

Would you be so kind and answer, please? I want to know what shall I do or change to have a better chance next time?

He has also referred to posting on this forum as "work":

... these are long working hours that have been irrevocably removed.

... but in 1% of the cases hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Wwzsocki doesn't appear to be working for the Bitcoin Forum as a moderator or an administrator. Therefore, I believe that it is reasonable to infer from at least these words that he sees this forum as primarily, if not exclusively, a mere opportunity for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns. His post history, especially with regards to his various endorsements of something called GOLD, his participation in its bounty campaign, and his recent application for at least one other signature campaign, bears witness to wwzsocki's motives for posting. DarkStar_ himself noticed this, as did asche and suchmoon:

Yeah, I mean posting style. I agree with asche here...

It kinda looks like you are trying to change your postings habits to match the campaign... That usually doesn't go too well... I would be better to find a campaign that suits your natural posting (without any paid incentive) and not the other way around...

You're trying too hard and you're using 500 words where 5 would suffice: "Thanks, will try next time".

Also, posts are just that: posts. What significance do they have in your life that you feel compelled to make such an earnest effort to vindicate the worth of your posts and your self-perceived literary and intellectual prowess? Is not life more important than posts on a forum that 99.99% of the world isn't even aware of? Unless, of course, this forum serves primarily or exclusively as a mere means to financial gain for you, because any action on the part of the forum's staff that is detrimental to that goal is then taken as a threat to your material self-interests.

Therefore, to be clear, I have zero tolerance for anyone whom I have reason to believe is posting exclusively or primarily for mere financial gain through signature or bounty campaigns. This forum is intended to facilitate reasonable discussions made in good faith according to its rules. (I'm of the opinion that signature campaigns are generally detrimental to this forum's usefulness.) Additionally, the Mining boards are for facilitating serious discussions of bitcoin mining-related topics according to the rules of that section and the standards of the Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower boards. Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining and a genuine eagerness to contribute quality discourse without regard for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns, then he is not welcome in the Mining section.

I think your frustration at those posting exclusively to make money from sigs is warranted.

His posts appeared reasonable quality though.

I would scan the post histories of all chipmixer / any other highly paid sig campaigns run by hhampuz yahoo and start deleting any posts that do not provide objective value.

Most of chipmixer spammers never produce original thought provoking credible / useful / valuable content. One of them will generally voice some opinion on another members ' behavior' and the rest jump upon an opportunity to parrot the same thing 40x in slightly different words.

He seems to be a more worthy chipmixer champ than quite a few others being paid to fill the forum with worthless noise.

Darkstar does not have transparent criteria for selection other than the gameable subjective metrics those in / are eligible for chipmixer happen to control Smiley

Go take a look through chipmixer spammers post histories to confirm. Delete anything that looks it is only there for the 6 bucks spam reward.

You will find a ton of far less valuable garbage. Mostly just opinions on petty squabbles.

We need more mods that ensure members are only paid for presenting valuable content.

I think objecting to people viewing this forum as a posting cash cow is likely about 8 years too late.

I don't think it is essentially damaging to the forum for people to view it as a job if they bring real value. It is far worse to let people game the system so they get paid for filling the board with valueless nonsense.  

Rather than preventing him, lobby darkstar to remove members who's post histories you analyse and discover are filled with valueless junk.

I agree it would be nice for people to post naturally and without consideration of the money they can squeeze out of this board. That is not the world in which we live.

Nice to see some not wearing signatures full time.

Really darkstar should rotate positions anyway.
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February 18, 2020, 02:38:56 PM
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I deleted wwzsocki's posts because I have reason to believe that he made those posts merely for the sake of qualifying for ChipMixer's signature campaign...

I thought so, that my posts were deleted because of my latest posts in the Chipmixer campaign and that somebody is doing this for a purpose and don't take the normal measures like posts quality, usability, etc.

For me itis obvious abuse of power by a moderator.

How could I write these posts to qualify in Chipmixer, if I already was not accepted and only talked with DS about the reasons for my removal?

Additionally, I stated in my posts that even if I would be enrolled, I would not take this place because it will be unfair!!!

...I want to add that I know, that I would be not enrolled at this time and even if, I would refuse to take the spot because it would be not fair in my opinion...

To be honest I know that I will be never enrolled in the Chipmixer campaign and that is why I am not afraid to ask openly if I have questions or doubts. If there will be a place for me then I would be already enrolled at one of my many failed attempts during all these years. So to now implying me that I have written two posts on the mining board because of Chipmixer campaign is just something I can't believe.


As far as I'm aware, wwzsocki had never posted on any of the Mining boards throughout my time as moderator.

Because you are a moderator from very short time and when I have posted in mining you haven't even by a member of this forum.

Few of my posts from 2014:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441448.msg4893296#msg4893296
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441448.msg4892803#msg4892803
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441448.msg4888917#msg4888917

He started posting there only after being apparently advised by DarkStar_ to do so:
... Last time we have a talk after recruitment and you advised me to write across more boards (which I did), but seems to be still not enough...

Again not true.

This quoted response of mine refers to my talk with DarkStar after last recruitment to Chipmixer (not actual) which was some time ago and I already was posting for a long time in the Gambling and few other sections because DS advised me to post on more boards when we have talked in PMs and on my local section about reasons for my rejection very long time ago and that was exactly what I was referring to.

This has nothing to do with my actual 2 posts in the mining section and already happened a very long time ago.


He has also referred to posting on this forum as "work":
... these are long working hours that have been irrevocably removed.
... but in 1% of the cases, hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Of course, you took my words out of the context. All I wanted to say was that hours of our writing (which is literally work) are deleted without any possibility to retrieve it. That's all!!!

Even for a single second, I haven't thought about work per se, so all the next conclusions which you bring up after this statement are fully made up and sucked again from a finger, but let's go further with this.


Wwzsocki doesn't appear to be working for the Bitcoin Forum as a moderator or an administrator. Therefore, I believe that it is reasonable to infer from at least these words that he sees this forum as primarily, if not exclusively, a mere opportunity for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns. His post history, especially with regards to his various endorsements of something called GOLD, his participation in its bounty campaign, and his recent application for at least one other signature campaign, bears witness to wwzsocki's motives for posting.

I just can't believe what I am reading here. It is forbidden to apply for signature campaigns or bounty on this forum?

What is wrong with the GOLD project? If there is anything wrong you should start a scam accusation thread or put a flag on them.

The majority of high-rank members are enrolled in many bounties and signature campaigns, so this above statement suites almost all members of this forum.

Now, I only want to say, that I never told that this forum is as work for me, but other high-rank members did it in the past, what is funny in this same Chipmixer thread just a couple of pages back and I haven't seen any problem because of this.

I thought very long if I should add this quote here, but to prove my words I will have to.

I wonder what will happen when Chipmixer gets (inevitably so) hit by authorities...It will be a sig campaign apocalypse. The rest of the campaign's rates are a joke and last a couple of weeks at best.
Personally I would have no option but to kill myself as I cannot live without my chipmixer dregs as I am a broke bum, but I don't think it's inevitable that Chipmixer will be shut down...

Of course, I don't have any problems with Hilariousandco's statement, but as we can see many even established members (global mods) see this opportunity as work and until this is not wwzsocki everything is ok, despite I never said something like this in the first place.


DarkStar_ himself noticed this, as did asche and suchmoon:

Yeah, I mean posting style. I agree with asche here...
It kinda looks like you are trying to change your postings habits to match the campaign... That usually doesn't go too well... I would be better to find a campaign that suits your natural posting (without any paid incentive) and not the other way around...
You're trying too hard and you're using 500 words where 5 would suffice: "Thanks, will try next time".

Again totally out of context and that is why I would not elaborate on this.

Also, posts are just that: posts. What significance do they have in your life that you feel compelled to make such an earnest effort to vindicate the worth of your posts and your self-perceived literary and intellectual prowess? Is not life more important than posts on a forum that 99.99% of the world isn't even aware of? Unless, of course, this forum serves primarily or exclusively as a mere means to financial gain for you, because any action on the part of the forum's staff that is detrimental to that goal is then taken as a threat to your material self-interests.

Again pure insinuations without any proof or at least some reasoning. I am here on this forum for so long and was enrolled in so many campaigns, but never thought about them or this forum as of work. These are your private conclusions after reading one or two of my posts in the Chipmixer campaign, which tells nothing about my 7 years here. And to be honest you are the only one who is working here in the first place.

Therefore, to be clear, I have zero tolerance for anyone whom I have reason to believe is posting exclusively or primarily for mere financial gain through signature or bounty campaigns. This forum is intended to facilitate reasonable discussions made in good faith according to its rules. (I'm of the opinion that signature campaigns are generally detrimental to this forum's usefulness.) Additionally, the Mining boards are for facilitating serious discussions of bitcoin mining-related topics according to the rules of that section and the standards of the Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower boards. Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining and a genuine eagerness to contribute quality discourse without regard for financial gain through signature and bounty campaigns, then he is not welcome in the Mining section.

Again the same BS about money, work, bounties and in the end even threats that "...Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining...", so I understand that from now moderator Frodocooper will decide if can write in mining section and only if he believes that I stopped to work on the forum and have genuine interest in mining (whatever that means?).

I can't understand something here, please explain to me what I am missing? It is clear that we have an abuse of mod power here, or not?
It should be the post quality what matters, despite all this BS about work and incentive, that it is on topic, merited, high quality, add to the subject, not against forum rules, etc. and both of my posts fulfill all these requirements.


As always to be fully honest with the community I will prove that I haven't posted in the mining section, not because of signature campaign, incentive, work or anything else that Frodocooper stated in his reasoning.

I just wanted to prove that I am right and somebody is wrong and thought it will be great to visit the mining board because I wasn't there for a while, that's it.

When I was looking for help with deleted posts I talked with Bitcointalk members I know on Telegram and one of them asked me 28 January:



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What have you done in mining section?

Recently, Mikeywith suggested in Chipmixer that it is impossible to change boards, that he is always in mining section and that he would sense it, I thought it is worth visiting because I haven't been there for a long time and it turned out that times are hard for miners, which can be seen in the section that is empty, our local is full compared to the mining section. 90% threads closed.

As you can see Mikeywith suggested that it will be impossible for someone to start posting in the mining without noticing and I wanted to prove him wrong because I was sure that quality is all that matters and mining is still a subject in which I have a lot of knowledge from the early days when I have mined BTC and LTC solo with laptops and later with masternodecoins and staking PoS coins. I still keep following all mining news on a daily basis.

...skewing in most cases is terrible...It is either you are good at something or you are not, you cannot force yourself to post in boards you are not comfortable with just to be accepted, it will be so obvious and you will unlikely to be accepted...
...Of course not and I have never thought to do so. That is why you haven't seen me on the mining board in the last couple of years because I'm not mining POW coins anymore, but I could easily come back because still, I have a lot of knowledge from the early days when I mined BTC and LTC with my laptops. I keep following news about mining until today, new miners, problems, etc. I try to keep my finger on the crypto pulse no matter what, additionally, there are other possibilities. I know 5 languages and I think that I have gathered enough knowledge, so I can post in many local groups if there is such need, already trading for almost 15 years (forex, binaries in the past, crypto from the beginning) and have also a lot of experience, but don't post in the trading board because I already post a lot. There are many other boards on which I could easily start to write taking into consideration experience, knowledge and hobbies...

...I agree with asche...
...Anyways, I will be very happy to prove that both of you are wrong...

So no incentive, no work, no nothing, only wanted to prove that I am right, that anybody can start to post in a new section or come back to old one if he has enough knowledge, experience and post are good enough. Even for a second, I wasn't thinking about work, Chipmixer campaign, incentive or any other thrown on me accusation by Frodocooper , who deleted my posts and abused his moderator power in my opinion.

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I wonder what will happen when Chipmixer gets (inevitably so) hit by authorities...It will be a sig campaign apocalypse. The rest of the campaign's rates are a joke and last a couple of weeks at best.
Personally I would have no option but to kill myself as I cannot live without my chipmixer dregs as I am a broke bum, but I don't think it's inevitable that Chipmixer will be shut down...

Of course, I don't have any problems with Hilariousandco's statement, but as we can see many even established members (global mods) see this opportunity as work and until this is not wwzsocki everything is ok, despite I never said something like this in the first place.

Dude... it's a joke. Again, you're trying way way way too hard. If you want to establish yourself in a new board - assuming you have a genuine interest to contribute there - start simple. Answer questions that you know answers to. Ask questions that you actually want to get answers for. Participate in discussions. Don't smother other users with walls of text.
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For me itis obvious abuse of power by a moderator.


Very well said - thank you for having started this thread to highlight this issue that, as it turns out, is not just limited to your and my posts.

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...Again, you're trying way way way too hard. If you want to establish yourself in a new board - assuming you have a genuine interest to contribute there - start simple. Answer questions that you know answers to. Ask questions that you actually want to get answers for. Participate in discussions...

Have you seen these deleted posts? Please look at the OP.

...Don't smother other users with walls of text...

If I don't answer every single question when somebody is accusing me, then I hear that I should do it. When I answer all accusations one by one to not miss anything, then it is too much.

This is not the first time I am doing this and is always not good. There is no easy way to answer so many accusations and I think you should focus on that.

Dude... it's a joke...

I know it is but this does not change the narrative, doesn't it?

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Have you seen these deleted posts? Please look at the OP.

I did. It's hard for me to judge the context but I think I wouldn't have reported those posts. However frodocooper is known to have a heavy hand thus my advice to start simple, to gauge what the "vibe" of the board is and what is tolerated and what is not. Maybe just read the board for a couple of months before attempting to post there.

Don't smother other users with walls of text.

If I don't repeat to every single question if somebody is accusing me then I hear that I should do it. When I answer all accusations one by one to not miss anything is too much.

This is not the first time I am doing this and is always not good. There is no easy way to answer to so many accusations and I think you should focus on that.

I don't think your long-winded reply is going to improve anything. There is essentially one accusation - frodo appears to think that you're a signature spammer, and posting a massive reply to that seems counterproductive.

If you still think he's wrong about those posts you should probably contact theymos - he has reversed some moderator decisions in the past.
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Give it up Suchmoon - no one here is buying what you're peddling.

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I did. ..Maybe just read the board for a couple of months before attempting to post there...

Don't understand you really.

Have you seen the mining board lately? I was able to read all active threads in this section in 1 hour before I have posted there.

I really don't know what I have to read there a couple of months, are you serious? And why I have to do this? Am I a newbie here or something? Is this new requirement before posting in a new board?

So, that doesn't matter that moderator deletes posts because he assumed after reading two of my posts that I am signature spammer? Where are these spammy posts of mine, show me one?

I wonder why you don't discuss this issue further?

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February 18, 2020, 04:51:47 PM
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Don't understand you really.

Have you seen the mining board lately? I was able to read all the threads in the section in 1 hour before I have posted there.

I really don't know what I have to read there a couple of months, are you serious? And why I have to do this? AmIanewbie here or something? Ias this new requirement before posting in a new board?

So, that doesn't matter that moderator deletes posts because he assumed after reading two of my posts that I am signature spammer?

I wonder why you don't discuss this issue further?

Discuss what exactly? I expressed my opinion. Feel free to ignore it. I wouldn't flip out after two deleted posts. If I was really interested in the subject I'd stick around to see what I can contribute, otherwise I'd move on. Your preferred path seems to be escalation - complain to the boss then.
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...I wouldn't flip out after two deleted posts...

And I haven't either, but I knew it has nothing to do with the quality of my posts or forum rules, only somebody is targeting me after my posts in Chipmixer and I was fully right.

So tell me, if somebody will remove your posts on purpose, then you will do nothing, especially, when additionally he will accuse you to be a signature spammer with no proof at all?

...Your preferred path seems to be escalation...

My preferred pad is escalation? Because I answered to all sucked from finger accusations?

Discuss what exactly?...

Moderator abusing his power of course.

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So tell me, if somebody will remove your posts on purpose, then you will do nothing, especially, when additionally he will accuse you to be a signature spammer with no proof at all?

If by doing nothing you mean not creating threads to complain about a couple of deleted posts - yes, that's exactly what I would do. I don't recall if I ever complained about deleted posts - perhaps in my early days on Bitcointalk when I had a poor grasp of forum rules. Today I'd just move on and try to learn from it. That's "something" to me but apparently "nothing" to you.

As for signature spamming - your comments in the Chipmixer thread made it sound like you would try to post in certain boards to make yourself eligible for the campaign. I wasn't the only one to read it that way. So you're either expressing yourself incoherently or you have the wrong motivation.

My preferred pad is escalation?
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Moderator abusing his power of course.

Ok then Smiley
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As for signature spamming - your comments in the Chipmixer thread made it sound like you would try to post in certain boards to make yourself eligible for the campaign. I wasn't the only one to read it that way. So you're either expressing yourself incoherently or you have the wrong motivation.

Now you say that I express myself incoherently, exactly that is the reason why I have written such a long post and answered all questions, to not leave any room for self-interpretation anymore.

I truly don't know how you could understand me wrongly? I have stated many times, that I never have and never will start to post on any board if I would not have enough knowledge and experience.

I only asked for advice, as I did already before and because I was already writing much, I could easily spread this to many more boards. I truly don't know what is hard here to understand?

I will not quote these posts one more time here to not make this answer "long-winded" again, but you can easily find them back in Chipmexer thread and read one more time with little more understanding, would be great if your fillings could be neutral when/if you do this and not against me (as always), maybe this will open your eyes little wider sometimes.


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As I said I only asked for advice as I did already before because I was already writing much, but could easily spread this to many more boards. I truly don't know what is hard here to understand?

I will not quote these posts one more time here to not make this answer "long-winded" again, but you can easily find them back in Chipmexer thread and read one more time with little more understanding and would be great if your fillings would be neutral if you will do this and not against me as always, maybe this will open your eyes wider sometimes.

Would you post the way you post if you didn't carry a signature and/or didn't want to apply for the Chipmixer campaign? Based on this:

I am little surprised to see such a laconic answer because I was fully honest (as always) and think that without the information I asked for would be really hard to figure out needs of this campaign, to be able to change/improve ourselves on time, especially for good writers from saturated, small local boards.

Additionally, I followed your last suggestion and started to write across more boards, especially Gambling and Gambling discussion, but seems like it has no impact on the final recruitment decisions at this time at least (to my surprise) and we already know that there is need for Chipmixer signature in these boards.

... and on some of your other comments - the answer seems to be "no". I think that's the wrong approach. Posting for the "needs" of a campaign is wrong.
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...I think that's the wrong approach. Posting for the "needs" of a campaign is wrong.

I have only asked if there are any special needs, is this wrong?

If actually, they would need more posts in any section which suites me, but I don't write there much because of the limited time we all have, it would be a great piece of information, not only for me but for many members who want to get a spot there.

I don't understand why my question is such a big problem? Many signature campaigns literally ask members to post 10 or 20 posts/week in Gambling or somewhere else, how different is that?
Are they posting there because they like it? Of course not? Are they signature spammers? In my opinion, only if their posts are spam and any other reasons shouldn't be important for a moderator.

I can quote here multiple comments from members who are complaining that they have to write in some special sections only because of the signature, why nobody targets them?
In my opinion, because it is not what the moderator should focus on. Quality, on topic, forum rules, add to the discussion, etc., this is what makes post good or not, not the other motives whatever they are.

...Would you post the way you post if you didn't carry a signature and/or didn't want to apply for the Chipmixer campaign?...

Of course, I would and I have posted even more without any signature in the past.

I am posting a lot and sometimes I have to stop myself from posting even more, so really signature is for me only some extra money and why not to take it if I am here on the forum constantly every day.

You are also in the Chipmixer campaign, are you a worse poster because of that? Would you post differently if you would be not enrolled?

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I have only asked if there are any special needs, is this wrong?

You didn't just ask, you said that you actually started posting on certain boards, presumably to improve your chances to get accepted into the campaign.

Are they posting there because they like it? Of course not? Are they signature spammers? In my opinion, only if their posts are spam and any other reasons shouldn't be important for a moderator.

I can quote here multiple comments from members who are complaining that they have to write in some special sections only because of the signature, why nobody targets them?

I don't know what else I can tell you other than "agree to disagree". If you don't see anything wrong with this then I don't think I have any arguments to affect your opinion.
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I have only asked if there are any special needs, is this wrong?

You didn't just ask, you said that you actually started posting on certain boards, presumably to improve your chances to get accepted into the campaign.

Are they posting there because they like it? Of course not? Are they signature spammers? In my opinion, only if their posts are spam and any other reasons shouldn't be important for a moderator.

I can quote here multiple comments from members who are complaining that they have to write in some special sections only because of the signature, why nobody targets them?

I don't know what else I can tell you other than "agree to disagree". If you don't see anything wrong with this then I don't think I have any arguments to affect your opinion.

You don't get it. Suchmoon is the gatekeeper who determines who can post in what subforums, who can add people to their trust lists, and who can abuse the trust system freely. Kneel before them or they will call their clown car friends. You have a nice account there, it would be a shame if some one were to give you a bunch of frivolous negative ratings.
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