Accusation topic removed?

[marlboroza]

I am just curious about this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.0, as it doesn't exist any more.

What happened, why is it removed?  
Locking this, account is nuked after accusation thread therefore accusation thread is removed as well.

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[Saint-loup]

I am just curious about this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.0, as it doesn't exist any more.

What happened, why is it removed?  

Unfortunately we can't see the thread anymore but we can see the author had been nuked the 6th february, so all his posts should have been deleted.
 https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?id=2677043

You can still find the archive of the thread in the google cache : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.0

Edit : More recent archive http://archive.is/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.0;all

[PrimeNumber7]

The OP of the thread was nuked, which automatically deletes all their posts and removes all threads they have created.

It might be a good idea to revise the later action to instead generate a report on the thread if any post on the thread has received any merit, so it can be manually reviewed to see if removing the thread really is appropriate.

I have no idea why the OP was nuked.

[LoyceV]

I have no idea why the OP was nuked.

Usually it's either plagiarism or ban evasion. In this case his posts don't look like plagiarism, and from his posts it looks like an alt-account of an older user. So my guess would be ban evasion.

[marlboroza]

Edit : More recent archive http://archive.is/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.0;all

Yeah, I archived it http://archive.is/zlDxn

Usually it's either plagiarism or ban evasion. In this case his posts don't look like plagiarism, and from his posts it looks like an alt-account of an older user. So my guess would be ban evasion.

Ok, but I thought users don't get nuked for ban evasion, I thought they (sometimes) get their accounts banned.

It might be a good idea to revise the later action to instead generate a report on the thread if any post on the thread has received any merit, so it can be manually reviewed to see if removing the thread really is appropriate.

I have no idea why the OP was nuked.

Thread received 2 merits, 1 from timelord and one from...quickseller. User wrote 7 posts:



There are 4 posts dated in September 2019. (going to use google translator for this...context ):

brexit bence avrupanın başına bela olacak uzadıkça uzuyor

I think brexit is getting longer as Europe will get into trouble

1 milyar dolar iyi para. bitcoin artık bir çok yönden yatırımcı çekiyor hacim arttıkça fiyat da artar

1 billion dollars is good money. bitcoin is now attracting investors in many ways, the price increases as the volume increases

düzgün araştırma yapmadan yatırım yapılarak

investing without proper research

değişik bir projeye benziyor e ticaret çağımızda çok yaygın

It looks like a different project, very common in our e-commerce era.

....and 3 posts are accusations, third post in topic is "reserved" post. There are some other accusations and investigations in that topic, which are on topic. Account is nuked shortly after accusations (not after they posted 4 replies 5 months ago), but this stuff is not moderated.

[Saint-loup]

Obviously a moderator thought nuking a poison-pen letter writer using an anonymous brand new account was appropriate. I wouldn't say it isn't personally. (Only newbie accounts can be nuked by moderators AFAIK)

[decodx]

Obviously a moderator thought nuking a poison-pen letter writer using an anonymous brand new account was appropriate. I wouldn't say it isn't personally. (Only newbie accounts can be nuked by moderators AFAIK)

If scam accusation was valid he should have been banned and not nuked, imho.

[Saint-loup]

Obviously a moderator thought nuking a poison-pen letter writer using an anonymous brand new account was appropriate. I wouldn't say it isn't personally. (Only newbie accounts can be nuked by moderators AFAIK)

If scam accusation was valid he should have been banned and not nuked, imho.

Moderators can't ban accounts AFAIK, they can only nuke them.
It's a GM and administrator role.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If scam accusation was valid he should have been banned and not nuked, imho.

Eh, unless I've completely misunderstood everything here, the nuked member is the one who made the scam accusation and that obviously would not be grounds for a ban. 

Looks like the plagiarism did it, which is usually the case unless it's a ban evasion.  In this case neopotism was so new that he probably couldn't have been linked to an alt account that got banned unless mods are checking IP addresses or something, and I don't think that was the case.

Neopotism was annoying and good riddance.  What I'm wondering is who he was an alt account of, because if I recall correctly it was pretty obvious he was somebody's alt.  If that's true, then the main account deserves a ban, too.

[marlboroza]

a poison-pen letter writer

If that is the case, then all posts/topics mentioned in that topic should be removed, don't you agree?

using an anonymous brand new account was appropriate.

It is not forbidden to use brand new account (and btw it is not brand new account, if you had read my post you would have seen that account is 5 months old) to post anything which doesn't break forum rules. IF it is case of ban evasion, I don't think account would have been nuked, or every other ban evader would have been nuked.

Neopotism was annoying and good riddance.

Hm, he provided good evidence of forum account trades (post number 2), I wouldn't call that annoying.

Here https://archive.is/zlDxn#selection-1649.0-1649.133
And response here: https://archive.is/zlDxn#selection-3085.0-3089.69
I think we should wait for staff members, assumptions and speculations are - assumptions and speculations.

[PrimeNumber7]

It might be a good idea to revise the later action to instead generate a report on the thread if any post on the thread has received any merit, so it can be manually reviewed to see if removing the thread really is appropriate.

I have no idea why the OP was nuked.

Thread received 2 merits, 1 from timelord and one from...quickseller.

Yes, I saw that, and that is why I made the suggestion. I rather a thread with good enough posts to receive merit to not automatically get deleted if the OP happens to be a very new user, and gets banned.

 User wrote 7 posts:

[img ]https://i.imgur.com/lE8FTxe.png[/img]

There are 4 posts dated in September 2019. (going to use google translator for this...context ):

brexit bence avrupanın başına bela olacak uzadıkça uzuyor

I think brexit is getting longer as Europe will get into trouble

1 milyar dolar iyi para. bitcoin artık bir çok yönden yatırımcı çekiyor hacim arttıkça fiyat da artar

1 billion dollars is good money. bitcoin is now attracting investors in many ways, the price increases as the volume increases

düzgün araştırma yapmadan yatırım yapılarak

investing without proper research

değişik bir projeye benziyor e ticaret çağımızda çok yaygın

It looks like a different project, very common in our e-commerce era.

....and 3 posts are accusations, third post in topic is "reserved" post. There are some other accusations and investigations in that topic, which are on topic. Account is nuked shortly after accusations (not after they posted 4 replies 5 months ago), but this stuff is not moderated.

As of when his thread was archived on jan 26, the 4 posts were deleted/removed, based on his activity count. Unless he made some additional posts, or sent some unsolicited PMs that broke the rules, he was nuked because of the thread referenced in the OP.

I think there is a good chance there may be a scandal in bitcointalkland in the near future.

[UserU]

Is nuke the same as getting permbanned, except "all evidence of the user never existed", and it only applies to Newbie accounts?

[ChuckBuck]

This image proves that this user is banned after posting allegations, it's crazy 

Only newbie accounts can be nuked by moderators AFAIK

Oppose this problem, only new created account can be nuked, this account has existed since 5 months ago, so this seems ridiculous.
I found it difficult to understand when Neopotism disappeared and his allegations were locked. I support his allegation based on the archive you provided

Here https://archive.is/zlDxn#selection-1649.0-1649.133
And response here: https://archive.is/zlDxn#selection-3085.0-3089.69

I had suspected previously Blacknavy about sending merit accounts to some accounts, but in the end, the investigation didn't happen when I received explanation from eddie13

How so?
It looks like Blacknavy is a source and he sends multiple merit TXs to a single account in a row often.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1018510
What's wrong with that?

But now, with all the evidence provided, I have a strong belief that Blacknavy owns many accounts, and he also sends merit to his altaccount with the word as a source of merit.
In the worst case where we don't get a response from the administrator, I think we should create a new thread to continue the allegations.

[Blacknavy]

This image proves that this user is banned after posting allegations, it's crazy  

Only newbie accounts can be nuked by moderators AFAIK

Oppose this problem, only new created account can be nuked, this account has existed since 5 months ago, so this seems ridiculous.
I found it difficult to understand when Neopotism disappeared and his allegations were locked. I support his allegation based on the archive you provided

Here https://archive.is/zlDxn#selection-1649.0-1649.133
And response here: https://archive.is/zlDxn#selection-3085.0-3089.69

I had suspected previously Blacknavy about sending merit accounts to some accounts, but in the end, the investigation didn't happen when I received explanation from eddie13

How so?
It looks like Blacknavy is a source and he sends multiple merit TXs to a single account in a row often.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1018510
What's wrong with that?

But now, with all the evidence provided, I have a strong belief that Blacknavy owns many accounts, and he also sends merit to his altaccount with the word as a source of merit.
In the worst case where we don't get a response from the administrator, I think we should create a new thread to continue the allegations.

The post that you sent is off-topic.
Your account has been stolen and you still haven't got a red tag because you're an alt account of one of the shooters. In Bitcointalk, there are several greedy criminals who defame other ones to eliminate them in signature campaigns. You and some of the DT members do not hesitate to defame users for your financial interests. Shooters/Criminals made a lot of Bitcoin because they have been abusing high-paid sig camps which pay 0.0375 btc in a week but, puppies never deserve more than 50 bucks. Normal users can’t predict how many accounts gangs have, every defamation you put on people is actually what you do for your own gang (DT manipulation, distrusts, red trust, trading merits). Bitcointalk users “THE REAL BITCOIN INVESTORS” must see what is going on this forum.

I didn't understand why some DT members defame us in the local election a year ago. It turned out in recent months that the people I think are reliable are actually a gang member. They are just acting their roles (good cops, bad cops). They are not interested in Bitcoin, they are even not an investor, they just want to keep their DT status to join high-paid signature campaigns.

Each local boards ‘MUST ADD PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY TRUSTWORTHY ON THEIR TRUST LIST” to fight against this gangs. The gang members OBVIOUSLY harmed many RESPECTED MEMBERS (the real Bitcoin supporters) financially.

They always send posts about the new default trust system. It is a keyword, they are afraid of losing their FAKE respected status because they are the authority here. They have been abusing the DT system by adding their alts in their trust lists. Thus, they have an infinite number of reliable account pools.

[ChuckBuck]

Your account has been stolen and you still haven't got a red tag because you're an alt account of one of the shooters.

An attempt to fire another shot to ease your own sins.

In Bitcointalk, there are several greedy criminals who defame other ones to eliminate them in signature campaigns. You and some of the DT members do not hesitate to defame users for your financial interests.

So who exactly did we speak ill of and what were the benefits of that?   In most cases, the topics I create, the posts that I make are neutral on a problem.

Shooters/Criminals made a lot of Bitcoin because they have been abusing high-paid sig camps which pay 0.0375 btc in a week but, puppies never deserve more than 50 bucks. Normal users can’t predict how many accounts gangs have, every defamation you put on people is actually what you do for your own gang (DT manipulation, distrusts, red trust, trading merits). Bitcointalk users “THE REAL BITCOIN INVESTORS” must see what is going on this forum.

And now you're targeting people involved in the Chipmixer campaign, right?   You're saying that you were in a certain gang out there, and the accounts connected to you are not yours, they just a part of your gang   Perhaps that is the best interpretation

Each local boards ‘MUST ADD PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY TRUSTWORTHY ON THEIR TRUST LIST” to fight against this gangs. The gang members OBVIOUSLY harmed many RESPECTED MEMBERS (the real Bitcoin supporters) financially.

And with it, you will become an extremely reliable member on your local board, then later, in addition to being a source of merit, you will be a reliable person to send merit freely, connect with another account without a doubt, right? that's cool 

[Blacknavy]

~

Take your 50 bucks and shut the f-ck up, you sneaky.

~ChuckBuck

I’m out of this topic now.

[logfiles]

Is nuke the same as getting permbanned, except "all evidence of the user never existed", and it only applies to Newbie accounts?

Yep,
Permaban = Getting banned from sending PMs, Posting, Sending Merits but you can log in to read only and your previous posts are not wiped
Nuking = A Permanet ban but everything gets wiped off and it's usually done to recently created newbie accounts that are created to spam and bump threads.

[marlboroza]

Unless he made some additional posts, or sent some unsolicited PMs that broke the rules, he was nuked because of the thread referenced in the OP.

Maybe, I updated topic. Actually, I change my mind about editing, I have read somewhere that I should start a new thread to talk about something else, which this is right now.

This image proves that this user is banned after posting allegations, it's crazy  

It would be "crazy" if it was the only reason to nuke account. Read above.

[UserU]

Permaban = Getting banned from sending PMs, Posting, Sending Merits but you can log in to read only and your previous posts are not wiped
Nuking = A Permanet ban but everything gets wiped off and it's usually done to recently created newbie accounts that are created to spam and bump threads.

Interesting... I thought once (perm)banned, your account is just stuck on the banned message until you log out.