Vod's Change

[Vod]

(I ask the mods to be liberal in removal of trash posts.)

A month ago, when BPIP crashed, I was ready to abandon this forum in anger, over what I perceived as lack of morality from the forum administrator.  I decided to turn BPIP over to capable people, and I had a bit more time to relax and research.  Besides understanding the type of violent psychopath who attacked me here over the last year, I also realized an epic misunderstanding about Theymos.

He has a different philosophy than I do.  I find any kind of dishonesty to be untrustworthy.   He is more forgiving, less "harsh" and I feel he does not view theft as a big deal if no violence was used and no harm is done.   It's a great philosophy, and it goes well with a decentralized, anonymous system.

I have 35 years of part-time military/law enforcement telling me that is wrong, and that is the conflict.  My ways are old and I believe climate change will break down society quickly, so I need to change my thinking towards those that believe as Theymos does.

I no longer trust Theymos because of what he allowed here, but that is my issue.  But I do not distrust him because he has consistently acted on his principles, and I don't see him changing soon.  I'm amazed at the level of free speech here and how he mostly does not get involved.  Plus, I would be a fool to stay here if I no longer trusted him.

But I can't continue taking sausages away from people who like sausages!  If codes, coins and cons need a place, better here than the deep web.  In fact, given what I posted above, I might give up scam busting altogether.  I'm giving up on feuding here, although there may be some fallout for a while for things that have already happened.

I'm starting a new site, much different from this one or BPIP.  It should appeal to many users, but not everyone.  

In the meantime, I'll go back to enjoying this site as a simple member.  

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[truth or dare]

This is a sensible move for you VOD. I can sense you are burned out and are a shadow of your former self.

Rest and await the introduction of objective standards this will destroy the destructive politically polarizing environment here and a forced peace will return where bitcoin is the key focus.

I notice you never sold out to sigs. That is one thing you never seemed to be. Greedy.

[Vod]

This is a sensible move for you VOD. I can sense you are burned out and are no longer a shadow of your former self.

While your words were insincere, they are true.  As an idiot joked about last month, I had a stroke a year ago minus 23 hours.  I've recovered but I lost the interest to fight scammers.

I notice you never sold out to sigs. That is one thing you never seemed to be. Greedy.

So why did you so quickly believe I had fallen on hard times?   He cannot sue me because his hands are not clean, not because I am broke.

You know what I like?   Crypto and meta stats, and strategy games.   

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I find any kind of dishonesty to be untrustworthy.  

Eh, I don't necessarily go along with that because I've dealt with enough people to know that everyone lies at some point, including law enforcement people, politicians, and lots more.  If I only trusted people who were never dishonest there's no way I'd be able to trust anyone.  It's just not that black and white and if you try to make it that way, you'll just end up frustrated and discontented--which sounds like it sums up your feelings with respect to bitcointalk as of late.

Glad you didn't leave, Vod.  I've always had respect for you and your high level of integrity.  None of us are perfect of course, but you've been busting real and potential scams since well before I arrived here and have done a great job, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks that.

I'm amazed at the level of free speech here and how he mostly does not get involved.  

That's one of the best aspects of the forum IMO.  You don't find this kind of freedom on many other forums.  

Also, I sure as hell wouldn't blame you if you took a break from scam busting or ditched it altogether.  You did it for longer than most human beings would.

Edit:

Oh shit, I totally missed the part where Vod said he had a stroke--I'm so sorry to hear that, but I'm glad it wasn't fatal.  Take care of yourself, Vod.  Don't worry about the scam busting one bit.  We can pick up the slack, though nobody here can fill your shoes.

[Vod]

I find any kind of dishonesty to be untrustworthy.  

Eh, I don't necessarily go along with that because I've dealt with enough people to know that everyone lies at some point, including law enforcement people, politicians, and lots more.

We are talking about a career liar - a professional^* liar.  For some reason I expected this forum to stay as it was in the start - where words were backed up with the blockchain.  I found it amazing no one lost trust when the pirate scam was revealed - with proof right there - it turned out no one in this community viewed it as actionable as I did, because the philosophy of this forum is different.  No one here lost money, so his actions are OK.  He returned the coin after he got caught, so it's OK.

If I want to continue in this community, I can either accept his actions or spend the remainder of the internet complaining about it.  That is the example I'm going to offer to anyone who wants everyone else to change.

[alani123]

Vod, I think you deserve a break.
For what it's worth, this is just my opinion.
I wouldn't consider myself to have much of a high impact on this forum but I've surely been watching Vod throughout my years here.

I remember you keeping a spotless record in busting scams for years. Even from the early days, being notorious for categorically denying newbies no collateral loans, having the patience to explain each and every time.

I find the work on BPIP admirable and I'm really appreciative the efforts you put to give back to the community of this forum.
But recently I had noticed that more and more members were caught in spats with you, with no intention of backing down.

I tend to agree with theymos on not regulating potential scams and allowing maximum free speech. I also find his thought process on forgiveness reasonable, although I had expressed my views that any guidance on preferred use of trust system would likely fall on deaf ears. The reason I tend to agree with being forgiving, is that if every forum member just couldn't let go ever, and instead was taking issues they came across personally, then nobody would have been doing anything. No BPIP, no loyceV stats tracking. No creativity, no fun! Only spats...

And I won't lie. I tend to dislike how much insistence from your side at times had contributed to dragging the continuation of some (in my view avoidable) spats for years. But for one, I think you deserve a break because I can't wait to see what the project after BPIP is going to be. Don't be distracted by the liars, the deceivers and the cheats anymore Vod. Godspeed to your new adventures and may they bring you more enjoyment other than stress.

[TMAN]

Vod, you are cool and an asset to this place.

Ignore the Pajeets and haters, imagine them using their tears as wanking lubricant and have a drink/joint/line and know that you are worth 10x the haters.

chill out more and remember life is a beautiful thing brother!

[truth or dare]

This is a sensible move for you VOD. I can sense you are burned out and are no longer a shadow of your former self.

While your words were insincere, they are true.  As an idiot joked about last month, I had a stroke a year ago minus 23 hours.  I've recovered but I lost the interest to fight scammers.

I notice you never sold out to sigs. That is one thing you never seemed to be. Greedy.

So why did you so quickly believe I had fallen on hard times?   He cannot sue me because his hands are not clean, not because I am broke.

You know what I like?   Crypto and meta stats, and strategy games.   

I am sorry to hear that. My words may have sounded insincere because I suspected you were not the real VOD.

I have locked the other thread. I wish all non scamming members well. You have done a lot of good and helped a lot of people in the past.

I know when things are personal it can be very hurtful, especially if you have previously tried your best to help others and do the right thing. I honestly believe in a lot of cases There is just a misunderstanding that grows out of hand. I personally believe you fell in with the wrong crowd but we need not discuss that further.

Rest up and enjoy your life. When objective transparent standards are introduced the fighting will be greatly reduced. The evironment will become less toxic.

Well done for not selling out though. Lack of greed is something one must marvel at in these times.

[TECSHARE]

Right, now its Theymos's fault too. Funny, this kind of thread seems familiar, almost like you do it every time you go too far to elicit sympathy and escape repercussions for your actions, every single time returning to repeat the exact same abusive behavior.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1074434.0;all

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144112.0

The same old sad children's party magician doing all the same old sad tricks, and getting mad at the kids who point out you can't really pull quarters out of your ears. You attack attack and attack endlessly, then when it bites you in the ass you play a victim, run away for a little bit, and resume the exact same behavior. Of course you want to be the victim while the victimization you subjected others to still stands and hope everyone just forgets and you get to keep the little lies and vendettas you have collected.

You can do all the things you want to serve the community without any power within the trust system, which you belong nowhere near as you have very clearly demonstrated. Of course that is not what you really value most, serving the community, you value the authority over others that you are free to lord over people, and lash out compulsively to serve your own personal impulses.

[AB de Royse777]

I think theymos is doing his best to run this community without pushing his personal phylosopy to the community. If he and his team (mods and other staffs) were to involve in every scam and spam that happpens in the community then we would not see any difference between how a state works and how a community that believe in decentralisation works.

We do not need anyone giving us rules to obey and the enforcement team to protect the given rules. Being with law enforcement for years might made you to follow some decepline but there are more to explore in the world where deceplite in the last thing it needs.

Sorry to hear that after all these years you discovered that your interest does not suit this community. Some of your works helped this community to move forward back in the days. Enjoy your break time.

[Vod]

Enjoy your break time.

I'm not taking a break from the forum, just from frying big sausages here.    Going to stick mostly to machine learning and crypto trending.   This forum will continue to be one of my resources.  

#2020peace

[AB de Royse777]

are you fucking mental?  Theymos cant stop scams as if they miss one and have set a president by stopping previous scams then they are open to legal action for any scams they miss out!

tell ya some members here are fucking retarded and you are pretty much the top of them dickhead

TMAN, I told you enormous time to stop your poetry on me. Seems like your way of dealing people is very much different than me and it's fine but if you really need to have a conversation with me then be in the same gentlemanship boat as I am or you are always welcome not to pick my posts and leave your ideology there.

I do not like anyone swearing on me. I hope I made it clear now.

I'm not taking a break from the forum, just from frying big sausages here.    Going to stick mostly to machine learning and crypto trending.   This forum will continue to be one of my resources. 

#2020peace

I am not good at frying sausage and it's not necessary that one has to do it. Besides frying things, there are more to this forum and I am sure you already found few. There will be agreement and disagreement but as long as you will be enjoying your time, your time counts.

Peace buddy and seeing you around.

[ibminer]

He has a different philosophy than I do.  I find any kind of dishonesty to be untrustworthy.   He is more forgiving, less "harsh" and I feel he does not view theft as a big deal if no violence was used and no harm is done.   It's a great philosophy, and it goes well with a decentralized, anonymous system.

Whether theymos is more forgiving or not is one thing, but I sincerely hope that he does not view theft this way. IMO, theft causes harm in more ways than one. It has been my understanding that it is not moderated to prevent a false sense of security. If he truly does believe that theft does not create any harm, then I need to question my own involvement with this forum, because that's a destructive attitude... and one that would make Craig Wright look like a genius saint.

Now I guess there are different levels of theft... but theymos bans for stealing text (plagiarism), so I have to think he doesn't like theft. And I have to assume anything worse than that is also against his philosophies, but can't be easily moderated or will provide people a false sense of security when it comes to financial dealings.

People shouldn't be stealing from others in our own community in any way, there are enough governments, politicians, bankers, etc. who steal from their people constantly. We shouldn't be doing it to each other. And anyone that philosophically supports this is, IMO, a damage to this community, or really any community they are a part of.

so I need to change my thinking towards those that believe as Theymos does.

(My fortune cookie yesterday prepared me for this lol)
"It is better to be the head of a chicken, than the tail of an ox."
I looked it up yesterday just to figure out wtf it even meant because, well, fortune cookies are funny sometimes... but it made a good point.

[LoyceV]

You know what I like?   Crypto and meta stats, and strategy games.   

I'm glad you've decided to move on to things that you like again, life's too short to fight on the internet

I'm looking forward to your new site.

[TECSHARE]

You know what I like?   Crypto and meta stats, and strategy games.   

I'm glad you've decided to move on to things that you like again, life's too short to fight on the internet

I'm looking forward to your new site.

Yep, he only likes starting fights. He likes to "end" them only when he has what he wants, and before he suffers any repercussions, and then wants no further discussion of the matter. Of course this is just a temporary measure until his compulsions inevitably get the better of him again and he reverts to his previous abusive and antagonistic behavior within a few weeks, as demonstrated by his previous claims of "taking a break" in the past.

[mindrust]

He is more forgiving, less "harsh" and I feel he does not view theft as a big deal if no violence was used and no harm is done.

If he is OK with theft as long as nobody loses an eye... then why is he banning people for plagiarism?

Something doesn't add up.

[TECSHARE]

He is more forgiving, less "harsh" and I feel he does not view theft as a big deal if no violence was used and no harm is done.

If he is OK with theft as long as nobody loses an eye... then why is he banning people for plagiarism?

Something doesn't add up.

Theymos is not "ok with theft". This is simply a mischaracterization to place the blame on Theymos for the tendency of certain users here to abuse the trust system arbitrarily and in a manner that is targeting specific users rather than the alleged crimes themselves. He, rightly so sees the abuse of the trust system over petty matters to be counterproductive and antithetical to the mission of the trust system and the forum itself. This idea that he is "ok with theft" is simply a manipulative ploy to try to pressure him into allowing these users abusing the trust system to do so in an unrestricted manner and to shift the blame from the abusers to Theymos. Vod painted himself into a corner here, now he is grasping for any straw he can to excuse his behavior.

[xolxol]

If you dont trust the admin,who the fuck would trust you? compare to him you are a piece of shit just like your colleagues.

[eddie13]

He has a different philosophy than I do

I'm not going to cut your OP to pieces here, but rather I'd like to commend you on your conclusion to agree to disagree..

You being a cop, law enforcement, government authority, held the monopoly on force and violence, while theymos is an Anarchist, I can imagine that their are many things you would disagree on..

I only recently learned of your stroke a week or 2 ago, ish..
It explained a lot to me as far as your actions, and I am truly sorry it happened to you..

#Respect and I hope that you can end your battles with your perceived enemies over your philosophical differences..

[DireWolfM14]

@Vod, I had no idea you had a stroke last year, man I'm sorry to hear that.  I'm glad to hear you are recovering, and I sincerely wish you the best of health.

I also had no idea you have worked as a cop.  I know from experience that LEOs have a hard time with trust.  I watched as a very close family friend alienated his children, and went years without seeing them.  This weight heavy on his heart and mind until he finally was able to see his own roll and responsibilities in his family's relationship.  This wasn't until years after retirement, and only a few years before his death.

Life is too short to take things so seriously, and this is just the internet after all.  If what TMAN said is accurate, that you plan on renting a boat, do it!  Go fishing, catch some sun, knock back a few cold ones, and enjoy your time.

I hope to see you around for years to come.