Extending "~" to peers of your untrustees through association - Why?

[GazetaBitcoin]

I'm starting this thread as I observed this bizarre behavior at some forum users.

Context:

Case 1
- user A distrusts user B
- user B has a connection of any kind with user C (let's suppose they reply to each other in different posts in a respectful manner, or user B gives merits to user C)
- user A has no conflict / dichotomy with user C
Result: as a "consequence" of step 2, user A distrusts user C as well.

Case 2
- user A has an argue with user B
- user B has a connection of any kind with user C (let's suppose they reply to each other in different posts in a respectful manner, or user B gives merits to user C)
- user A has no conflict / dichotomy with user C
- as a "consequence" of step 2, user A extends his antipathy to user C.

The transitivity is a fundamental characteristic of mathematics and logic. Thus, if A = B and B = C, then A = C. However, this rule doesn't apply to people.


Explicit context:
Case 1
- Timelord2067 started distrusting nullius 5 weeks ago, according to loyce.club; at the same time interval, nullius started distrusting Timelord2067 as well
- nullius has a connection with me (he merited some of my posts; I translated some of his precious work in Romanian; we talked to each other in a friendly / respectful manner in various topics etc.)
- Timelord2067 and I never had any conflict; the only time when we interacted was in a friendly manner, in one of my topics, when he also merited me
- Timelord2067 becomes aware of the connection between me an nullius, seeing we respectfully talk to each other (also in the above mentioned topic)

Result: Timelord2067 starts distrusting me two weeks ago. I tried to PM him, telling him that without trying to change his opinion (which I was not), I only kindly ask him to explain his decision. Why? Of course, he didn't answer, as he was embarrassed (most likely) to admit that his judgement is "if A = B and B = C, then A = C" and that he applies it to people as well.

Besides, it seems that a similar thing happened also to Timelord2067 and he didn't appreciate. Now he is doing the exact same thing to others. There is a saying in Romanian - "don't do to others what you don't like". I guess he didn't know it.

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[suchmoon]

Some users have thinner skin than others and some are full-blown conspiratards thinking that the whole world is out to get them and that a friend of an enemy is an enemy.

I suggest you join the thick-skinned gang and stop worrying about small details like that. Don't pester for explanations of inclusions/exclusions, that never works.

[AB de Royse777]

I suggest you join the thick-skinned gang and stop worrying about small details like that. Don't pester for explanations of inclusions/exclusions, that never works.

Where is the gang :-P
I need to interview someone who has The Thickest skin around LOL

Anyway @OP: Inclusions and exclusions are someone's own right to practice. If you do not agree with their list then you take your step accordingly with your own list. Creating topics like X excluded me for <insert a reason> so I am excluding/adding them don't really end up very well without much drama.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Royse777, I think you didn;t read OP well.

Creating topics like X excluded me for <insert a reason> so I am excluding/adding them don't really end up very well without much drama.

I didn't state anywhere that "Timelord2067 excluded me so I am excluding him". I only stated that I observed that he and nullius excluded each other and afterwards this leaded to having me as a "collateral".

Besides, I also stated that I'm not interested in any way to change his decision; I was only curious if he admits that I "fell as a collateral" after his dichotomy with nullius.

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I tried to PM him, telling him that without trying to change his opinion (which I was not), I only kindly ask him to explain his decision. Why? Of course, he didn't answer, as he was embarrassed (most likely) to admit that his judgement is "if A = B and B = C, then A = C" and that he applies it to people as well.

Regarding gangs - choose careful the gang you want in!

[suchmoon]

Where is the gang :-P
I need to interview someone who has The Thickest skin around LOL

AFAIK LoyceV has the skin about as thick as the snow on top of Monterosa in February.

[xtraelv]

Different people use their trust lists for different reasons.

Mine is purely based on:

Included = I want to see your opinion.

Not included = meh

Excluded = I don't want to see your opinion.

Nothing more and nothing less.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Some users have thinner skin than others and some are full-blown conspiratards thinking that the whole world is out to get them and that a friend of an enemy is an enemy.

I suggest you join the thick-skinned gang and stop worrying about small details like that. Don't pester for explanations of inclusions/exclusions, that never works.

Thank you for the advice, suchmoon, I was thinking the same. I was just a bit curious though and hoped maybe he would give a rational explanation (although it is obvious there is no such explanation).

About the gang, thank you as well for the tip, maybe I'll adhere to that one as well, but I'm also loyal to the Dalton gang, who controls the merits here. It is a strong one, as you already know Capo di tutti capi aka Foxpup is a great gang leader!

[AB de Royse777]

AFAIK LoyceV has the skin about as thick as the snow on top of Monterosa in February.

You saved my life bud, I am going to send a PM LoyceV right now :-P

Royse777, I think you didn;t read OP well.

I did read your OP bud but you got me wrong here 100% :-D

It was not meant for you and timelord but I was purely talking about the recent exclusion drama against me that did not end well. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225802.0
I should have provided a link in my last post :-)

[suchmoon]

loyal to the Dalton gang, who controls the merits here

It's the sexiest gang on Bitcointalk, that's for sure.



But I'll let you in on a secret. Thick skin is a merit magnet.

[AB de Royse777]

But I'll let you in on a secret. Thick skin is a merit magnet.

Gem!
This is why I see you and LoyceV has 4k+ merit :-P

I did not want to piss off LoyceV with unsolicited PM with the fear if he reports me :-D

[GazetaBitcoin]

I did read your OP bud but you got me wrong here 100% :-D

It was not meant for you and timelord but I was purely talking about the recent exclusion drama against me that did not end well. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225802.0
I should have provided a link in my last post :-)

Roger that, all is clear now. I remember I saw your topic last days, but I didn't make a connection after reading your reply here. Thank you for clarifying things up.

It's the sexiest gang on Bitcointalk, that's for sure.
But I'll let you in on a secret. Thick skin is a merit magnet.

Thank you for the precious information, suchmoon! As always, your inside info on various subjects gangs are true assets! I'll take into consideration then the thick skinned gang as well, as I see Foxpup doesn't mind that some of her gang members are also parts of other gangs.

Also, where did you find that picture, man? Did you just create it? I'll wear it as avatar with first occasion (meaning if I'm banned from the signature campaign lol)!

[dkbit98]

I think 'Lucky Luke' have the thickest skin around here,
and we all know he is stronger than all Daltons together

[TECSHARE]

More like the thick skull gang...

[Timelord2067]

I'm starting this thread as I observed this bizarre behavior at some forum users.

I wasn't here for a couple of days - it's called "the week-end"

This post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4736673.msg53789402#msg53789402 and this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4736673.msg53792258#msg53792258 are why I distrust you.

[LoyceV]

I suggest you join the thick-skinned gang and stop worrying about small details like that. Don't pester for explanations of inclusions/exclusions, that never works.

Exactly! I get exclusions sometimes, or removal of inclusions, which looks like it's related to one of my posts in some of the many drama-threads. It makes me a bit curious sometimes, but that's about it. Don't worry too much about it, everyone's free to use the Trust system as they please. Just like others are free to use their judgement on those who's inclusions they don't agree with.

I need to interview someone who has The Thickest skin around LOL

I'll bite: go ahead Make a topic, mention LoyceV, and I'll answer your questions. Who knows, it might help others to stop caring so much about anonymous people's opinions on them!

AFAIK LoyceV has the skin about as thick as the snow on top of Monterosa in February.

Lol

I did not want to piss off LoyceV with unsolicited PM with the fear if he reports me :-D

You're wrong there already. You don't have to piss me off to report a post/PM. That's part of the thicker skin part: with 7098 reports (not counting reported PMs), I'd be crazy by now if I'd let all of those piss me off.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Oh I see, so it has nothing to do with you / nullius mutual distrust + my connection with him.

Ok, let's see what we have here. So I am a troll because:
- I pointed out some scandals where your name was involved, in a historic thread dedicated to scandals; practically I am troll here for being on topic with xtraelv's thread

- I talked respectfully to marboroza in your second link, marlboroza being also an user that you distrust; so you didn't distrust me for my connection to nullius, but to marlboroza. Got it!
- or was it perhaps for quoting wolvoo's war against the entire forum? Or for quoting The-Devil -- a true remarkable user -- in xtraelv's scandals topic?

Thank you for your crystal clear and rational explanation.

I'm asking for asylum in the thick skinned gang!

[Timelord2067]

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You've got your sensational minute in the sun.  Well done.[/b]

[suchmoon]

Also, where did you find that picture, man? Did you just create it? I'll wear it as avatar with first occasion (meaning if I'm banned from the signature campaign lol)!

Google it - Dalton gang was a real thing. Gotta give wolwoo credit for coming up with a pretty good nickname.

More like the thick skull gang...

Even better. More solid protection than merely thick skin.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Everyone is free to trust or distrust anyone they please for any reason they wish. Such is the nature of the trust system. It's impossible not to start collecting exclusions if you've been around for a few months and are active in Meta or Reputation - something you say will eventually rub someone up the wrong way, even if you didn't intend it to. It's not worth stressing over.

or user B gives merits to user C

I also want to briefly mention that no reasonable person should consider someone giving merits to someone else as those users having a connection, endorsing what each other say, or even agreeing with each other. Merit should be seen as "This post is constructive/worthwhile/required a lot of effort", and not "I like this post or I like the person making it". Your other context is correct, of course, and I trust users who are distrusted by other users on my trust list, and I distrust users who are trusted by other users on my trust list.

I would also suggest that although everyone is obviously free to trust or distrust anyone they please as I stated above, distrusting someone solely as retaliation because they distrusted you is not a mature way to build a trust list.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Thus, if A = B and B = C, then A = C. However, this rule doesn't apply to people.

I agree, and it's the old maxim of not painting people with the same brush as you would their friends.  Unfortunately that happens a lot, not only on this forum but in the world in general.  I think as human beings we're wired to look for patterns and see them even where they don't necessarily exist--thus there's a lot of prejudice and situations like OP described.  I've certainly been guilty of it at times, but I'm looking to get better.

However, sometimes on the internet you just have no idea in situations like this--especially when so many people have alt accounts and whatnot, so I'm not going to pass judgement on someone who extends their bitcointalk distrust list, because there may be reasons I don't know about--and it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.