Huawei without Google

[Jet Cash]

There is a big difference between collecting my data in an attempt to manipulate my behaviour for commercial gain, and collecting my data to check on my political activities. My objection is over the way Google and Microsoft mess with my settings and activities in an attempt to scratch a few extra billion pounds.

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[Lucius]

All new Huawei smartphones from the model Mate 30 is without Google services, so you actually get a device free of Google services if you pick newest models, but they are still based on Android OS.

I have P30 which is one of the best smartphones which I had, and no matter the cost, I can say it's worth every penny. Regarding Google services, there is no problem for me, just turn off all that you not need or what's annoying to you. Only info I get is when some new security/critical updates is available, and that is the most important thing I want to know.

[ZeeeN]

Huawei not have Google services yet in mate 30 and after that too (P40,Mate40) huawai say they make app gallery bigger to support more 3rd party app.

if you not use a lot of  google ecosystem (gmail,map,drive) you can use huawai it good phone.

PS.huawai say if they can deal with US to use google service it can update in 1day to use it.

[NeuroticFish]

OP, if you don't want Google Play and the price is an issue, why don't you simply buy some no name smartphone from Chinese sellers (AliExpress and such) or resellers in your country? You have a good chance to find high specs phones at good prices if you research it well.

I am more typical user and I wanted Google Play, so I've bought Redmi at great price, although Xiaomi started to become a known brand.



Shortly: maybe you actually don't necessarily want Huawei.

[Jet Cash]

I want Huawei because I'm being told that I can't have it.

I think that Huawei produces great products at competitive prices, and I resent being told that I can;t use their products because I have to install a load of crappy intrusive apps that Google keeps pushing at me, and that I have to spend time trying to disable.

[NeuroticFish]

I want Huawei because I'm being told that I can't have it.

  LMAO 
So reverse psychology works great on you, you say? 

I think that Huawei produces great products at competitive prices, and I resent being told that I can;t use their products because I have to install a load of crappy intrusive apps that Google keeps pushing at me, and that I have to spend time trying to disable.

They probably do. But as soon as a company recognized as a brand, the prices rise. And imho Huawei makes no exception.
One good point for you is that the devices without Google Play may be a tiny bit cheaper. And if you are so keen to have Huawei... I'm sorry, my idea cannot help. 

[IIV]

Huawei flagship are one of the best but they are on a costly side and a premium band.
To really own your phone, rooting and installing a custom rom preferably without G-suite is the way to go.
https://www.androidcentral.com/best-phone-rooting-and-modding

[itsv]

You will replace Google and NSA spyware with chinese spyware. And chinese spyware is of lower quality, it means some 3rd party can get unauthorized access to it.

It's true but there some linux based smartphones around like for example Librem 5 . It has hardware based kill switches for wifi,camera and microphone so if you are concerned about your privacy you can turned these off when you are not using your phone.

I wish I could go completely Google free, but my options would then be limited. One big issue for me was that WhatsApp really is a need and I believe there's no point in going for a fully free experience where you're off Apple/Google/Microsoft/whatever other company's track if the experience will not really be fully free. I believe WhatsApp doesn't even work if you remove absolutely everything related to Google from your Android phone, but I may be wrong.

Tizen is another linux based operating system and mostly used by Samsung electronics. There is a Whatsapp native version available on their App store. There are few Samsung Z series phones around with this OS.

Few years back we have ubuntu phone which tried to do exactly what Librem and few other linux based smartphones are trying to do but it failed because Android and IOS have huge stack of apps. This means that any competing mobile platform must match or at least offer a compelling reason to ignore the benefits of an endless selection of apps. Secondly it must match the same hardware compatibility and performance as the existing phones.

[Lorence.xD]

Google losing its app on Huawei phone is a big loss for the company, I am against most of the policy of China but letting go of a very big market is a regrettable decision for Google. I commend that Google did make a stand but in a business perspective they are losing. I find the tactic of Chinese government very strategic because they are using their population as a bargaining chip for businesses and country's affairs, though I feel sad that their citizen will never taste real freedom.

[Lucius]

Google losing its app on Huawei phone is a big loss for the company, I am against most of the policy of China but letting go of a very big market is a regrettable decision for Google. I commend that Google did make a stand but in a business perspective they are losing. I find the tactic of Chinese government very strategic because they are using their population as a bargaining chip for businesses and country's affairs, though I feel sad that their citizen will never taste real freedom.

The fact is that Google apps don’t come pre-installed on Huawei phones, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t ways for everyone to install the same apps on their smartphone. In other words, every Huawei smartphone/tablet can have all the Google app installed, but of course unofficially and at the personal responsibility of each individual user.

What Huawei is working on now is the proposal that Google Apps become available through their App Gallery, which would definitely allow them to become powerful players in the market again. For now, American politics has no ear for any concessions, especially after very serious accusations against China regarding everything that is happening regarding the pandemic.

[Asuspawer09]

Google losing its app on Huawei phone is a big loss for the company, I am against most of the policy of China but letting go of a very big market is a regrettable decision for Google. I commend that Google did make a stand but in a business perspective they are losing. I find the tactic of Chinese government very strategic because they are using their population as a bargaining chip for businesses and country's affairs, though I feel sad that their citizen will never taste real freedom.

The fact is that Google apps don’t come pre-installed on Huawei phones, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t ways for everyone to install the same apps on their smartphone. In other words, every Huawei smartphone/tablet can have all the Google app installed, but of course unofficially and at the personal responsibility of each individual user.

What Huawei is working on now is the proposal that Google Apps become available through their App Gallery, which would definitely allow them to become powerful players in the market again. For now, American politics has no ear for any concessions, especially after very serious accusations against China regarding everything that is happening regarding the pandemic.

Personally, it is a big loss for Huawei in my opinion, I mean it was just everything on an android phone is connected to google without having this google I think it just doesn't worth paying for.

• Huawei App Gallery cannot install everything that is available on google play store their are so many applications that is not available at the moment.
  
• There are applications that are not going to work without the Google service or that might experience problems just like updated versions of Netflix etc.
  How about google play service + GMS?
  etc.
  
  Just not worth it considering there are so many China Brand that is offering the same android phones and performance with google play in it.

[20kevin20]

Personally, it is a big loss for Huawei in my opinion, I mean it was just everything on an android phone is connected to google without having this google I think it just doesn't worth paying for.

• Huawei App Gallery cannot install everything that is available on google play store their are so many applications that is not available at the moment.
  
• There are applications that are not going to work without the Google service or that might experience problems just like updated versions of Netflix etc.
  How about google play service + GMS?
  etc.
  
  Just not worth it considering there are so many China Brand that is offering the same android phones and performance with google play in it.

I think we deserve a lil' breath of pure air after all the stuff Google has been able to learn from us. It's getting quite scary how people now believe life without Google cannot exist!

These phones without Google on them most likely have some custom ROMs on XDA you can flash together with the GApps. Probably wouldn't be as stable as the stock OS is, but it's still a workaround one can go for if they really want a phone with Google that comes with it not installed. There might even be a GApps zip file you could flash without even having to move to another ROM.

On the other hand though, unlocking the bootloader to be able to flash the ROM is a bit of a hassle when it comes to Huawei phones.

I've been using Android 8 without any kind of Google app and I'm using F-Droid as the app store. I can get most of the apps I really need off F-Droid, but there are obviously some exceptions such as WhatsApp although I think you can get the APK & use it without GApps if it's a necessity. FOSS and Google-free life feels great is all I can say.

[pakhitheboss]

I really have a lot of problems trying to disable Google apps and Microsoft stuff. The new Google free phones from Huawei have a massive appeal for me, but it doesn't look as if we can get them in the UK for a reasonable price.

Do any of you guys want to be Google free on your phones?

I still would prefer google over huawei and the reason is simple. I donot want my personal information call in the hands of a company that is controlled by a regime. I understand that google also know everything about me but it is located in a free country that has democracy. Huawei on the other hand is not, it is located in country that is ruled by bunch of control freeks. Sad to say but the situation the world is in now has been brought by that country.

[20kevin20]

I still would prefer google over huawei and the reason is simple. I donot want my personal information call in the hands of a company that is controlled by a regime. I understand that google also know everything about me but it is located in a free country that has democracy. Huawei on the other hand is not, it is located in country that is ruled by bunch of control freeks. Sad to say but the situation the world is in now has been brought by that country.

Google is actively working with different states and their authorities. Especially with intel agencies, which strip most of the privacy off you. Google or Huawei, it's mostly the same crap. Hell, a "free" corporation in a "free" country might have even more power than Huawei earns by working with the CCP. I'd argue that the in-depth personnel of intel is most likely as "control freak" as the front leadership of the Communist Party.

[philipma1957]

Wow - so many merits for anti-Chinese sentiments.

I don't really care if people are spying on me. What does annoy me is that the big players are constantly messing with my settings, and installing rubbish apps that I don't want, and won't use. I don't want things like Alexa, Cortana, Facebook, Twotter (sic) and all the other trivial nonsense that goes on at the moment. I don't want crappy music superimposed on my surfing either.

It also annoys me when my searches are modified to push products just after I have bought something. Computers used to be tools, but now they are self-driving devices, and we are just passengers in our journeys on the net.

yeah.  i have four android based tracfones.

only need one but to be able to do some degree 📜 of security. i need four to keep stuff less synched .

lets say I have the need to use and exchange and they want 2f.

I need a phone to never leave the house that has multiple 2f accounts.

lets say i am mananging an account for a farm i need a second phone that never leaves the house 🏠.

lets say i take a trip i want to use map features etc. thats three.

lastly my wife need a phone thats four.

the 2 f  phones stay inside the house and are place in double faraday box 📦.

quite frankly better desktops may come back with very good monitors.  a lot of people have seen what they can do on zoom. 

covid-19 has a really big wave two and the desktop looks better with mobile looking shitty.

not rooting for covid to grow this summer just pointing it out.

[Jet Cash]

Google isn't controlled by a regime, it's part of the regime, and it is distorting history, and the information we receive.

[Shohag123]

I am a Huawei user but I don't even think my phone without google apps.My phone is little old and all google app run smoothly.I have seen a lot of new huawei users are running google apps using third party apps.So I think it will be boring without Facebook,Whatsapp,Youtube ,Gmail and so others.And no phone can survive without google.Huawei users are still using youtube,Gmail and so ohers with the help of third party apps despite the ban.

So basically huawei are saying they are google free but still connected to it.Huawei without google cannot survive.In our country no one will buy huawei if they can't use google apps.

[Cryptoababe]

WhatsApp does not require Google or any of it's services. Install WhatsApp APK by sideloading from Whatsapp website and you are good to go.

Whatsapp does not required Google as you said. But you what about backing up whatsapp chat. You can only back up chat on your device or Google drive. And many will prefer cloud backup. So whatsapp need Google for something too.

[lovesmayfamilis]

YouTube push things that don't interest me based on a misunderstanding of some of my posting and searches. One possibly amusing example is happening at the moment. Because I have been discussing and searching about hard drive problems, YouTube has started to suggest videos about erectile dysfunction. I'm not sure Viagra will help maintain hard drives in my computer.

btw - If a site blocks access until I agree to an EU cookie policy, I just quit the site.

I also don't like Google's policy, which is that the browser should decide what to read and what to watch. And also I am the owner of a phone from a Chinese manufacturer. Everything can be easily configured by disabling and removing various services and prohibiting updates. In addition, YouTube has such a function when browsing history, search history, and much more are not saved. There are many videos on YouTube showing how to do to turn off Google tracking forever.


Also found an open-source browser on GitHub.
https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

Ungoogled-chromium, in which all Google trackers are completely turned off. There is also a version for the android.

[Josefjix]

Significantly you're been spied by a certain company either by the USA(Google) or the China (Huawei).  So how could one be able to use social media apps houses by Google play services?