Bitmain Introduces the S19 and S19 Pro

[favebook]

Not much info has been given, but we know that speed is much better than S17 Pro and S17+ while power usage is close to them. However 29.5±%5 J/TH is insane!

3.25 kW for 110TH/s is going to destroy S9's.

Also, as I said it a few times on forum (and not that anyone is counting, but I was right!) they announced new miners soon after most coupons expired. There are a few coupons that should expire on February 29th, so 1st March would be a logical release date for new miners. And first batch will likely be shipped during May.

Links for reference:

Antminer S19 Pro 110TH/s
Antminer S19 95TH/s
Bitmain's Tweet

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[philipma1957]

So a 1 speed 3300 watt miner.
I would have liked more then one speed setting.
These will be a hard sell item with coins under 9000  and the 1/2 ing right around the corner.

[favebook]

So a 1 speed 3300 watt miner.
I would have liked more then one speed setting.
These will be a hard sell item with coins under 9000  and the 1/2 ing right around the corner.

I am not sure that they have specifically said that it only has one speed, and you know that "Pro" version has had more than one speed so far.

Yeah, seems a bit odd that as soon as they released (a day or two before as well) coins dropped, but I do not think this will be a hard sell. Personally, I am going to buy a few, and I hope it won't get sold out too quickly as they usually do.

Also, everything depends on price, 2000$ will probably be too low, 4000$ will probably be too high, I think it is going to be somewhere between those two targets, although I would love it to be lower than 3000$.

[philipma1957]

3000 is really high unless it ships really fast.
the over view shows one speed. really sucks to have one speed.

at todays prices it earns 15 usd and burns 80 kwatts.

at 1/2 ing it earns 7.50 and burns 80 kwatts.  five cent power it costs 4 a day.

so it earns 11 a day right now
it earns 3.50 a day at 1/2 ing

it is a risk to get a lot.

i will get one of each and look for more. down the road.

[fccs]

They said in a twitter post it goes as low as 23w/th.  I am assuming they have multiple modes on them, like a low power mode and such.

[favebook]

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3000 might be high for you subjectively but imagine having a 100 TH/s for 3000 USD last year. I am just saying, I expect them to be just around that number (or even higher).

True true, I understand where your math comes from, but I do not think that price is going to stagnate as well as difficulty.

S9s are going to get turned off a lot (diff going down) and price *SHOULD* go up to accommodate miners.

It is true that it is a risk, but hasn't it always been a risk? Nothing is really much different than last halving.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I really hate the 3k watts - until I build a new warehouse, the current one cannot handle 3k watt miners without a complete rewiring. I guess I will just have to hope for getting some of the T17/S17 variants for cheap.

and to think nearly 2 years ago to date, S9's were 2300 a piece and selling like hotcakes.

[philipma1957]

I am wired that I can add a lot of these but they scare me.  I would prefer they did 2800 watts or less.

I will get them to replace  the 28 s9's I have.

The nice thing is  28 x 1100 = 31 kwatts and maybe 336 th
9 of these =  30 kwatts  and 990th

[DaveF]

I guess we can now say that any kind of home / low power mining is done. It's a shame really, we all knew it was coming but this really proves it. More power hungry equipment with no low power stuff out there at all.

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.

-Dave

[MoparMiningLLC]

they should have an option to buy the miners with the number of hash boards requested by the buyer - example, if it has 4 boards and runs at 110 th with 3300 watts - why not let the buyer specify 2 boards to get 55 th and use 1650 watts

I mean you could essentially buy them and do this yourself but that would get expensive to just remove half the hashboards unless you can get a second controller and a second case for relatively cheap.

[philipma1957]

the controllers will be 60 to 100

the psu around 150

the trick is getting a case.  this idea is worth some merits.

[MoparMiningLLC]

imagine that - if you could bulk order cases - hmm would old s9 cases work for two boards? maybe make use of the shells and the old psu's - take the old hash boards and use for the projects like the Terminus.r606 which uses S9 chips.

or just take the S19's apart - after all, they will most likely be two S9 shells combined right?

[philipma1957]

... or just take the S19's apart - after all, they will most likely be two S9 shells combined right?

Hmm I have 28 s9's  If I pull the fans and the shells maybe I build a cheap easy case for a doctored s17 first

then try a doctored s19 or s19 pro.

If you put these out right away they could be a nice item to sell.

If they are 3 board units you could sell 3

1 board units

pretend a full unit is 2400

I think a 1 board unit could go for 1100 assuming you tamed the sound levels

so 3 x 1100 = 3300 -2400 = 900 but added parts are at least 450.  the killer is the psu will be over 150 shipped.

the psu is basically bespoke oem part along with the controller  the two will be close to 225 shipped to usa.

[MoparMiningLLC]

if the S9 cases work - i wonder how much it would be to just buy hashboards and controllers - without the existing case/psu - might be able to save some $ there.

at you 3 board idea (i only chose 4 to be even but you are most likely correct and it will be 3)

that would be around 37 th units at 1100 watts.  I would imagine those selling like hotcakes if the price is right. I have the idea but sadly not the capital to make it happen - hopefully someone will and make a profit from my idea lol hell, i might buy a few (maybe i can get a discount) lol.

[mgoz]

Efficiency on pro model looks nice, but non-pro version has almost same efficiency as S17 Pro. Without more details on specs and if low power mode available, I think I may pass. Seems like possible dump of 7nm chips right before 5nm and repeat of S15. Market as "future of mining" and then release something better a few months later.

[philipma1957]

Yeah  could happen like you say so I am only getting one or two of these to start.

As for getting 100th for 3000

I got 15 s9s with psu’s for 3000. about 210th my power deal is 50-50 split.

so I mined the entire 2019 year with the equivalent of 105th and zero power cost.

I am always floating between old gear cheap price.
new gear for high price.

cheap priced gear due to  poor  power numbers is good for me
expensive priced gear due to  great power numbers is good for my host.

so i try to have some of each.

[taserz]

My conspiracy....

It's the same chips as a S17... Just a ton of them...

I can get a s17 down to 25w/th ad 36th/s

These are running at 35w/th (to compete with microbt)

These also weigh a few KILOS more than a S17....

What is heavy on a miner.... THE HEATSINKS!

My conspiracy's the same S17 chips just a fuckload more (like the + models) downclocked (like the + models) and a fuck load of heatsinks for each of the chips. It would explain the weight and it is VERY doable.

If this is the case I can't wait to make a firmware to push these things to the 3600W max of the psu and run them at 125+ th/s or make these things run at 25w/th and be super efficient.

[MoparMiningLLC]

and wouldnt ya know it, bitcoin was over 10k for 3 straight days and all my coupons are expired but now btc is down - i think they have enough btc and cash to swing the market to make coupons all sadly expire right before new equipment, i have had over 30 coupons expire in same situation - a few days to a week before new gear is announced/released.

[favebook]

and wouldnt ya know it, bitcoin was over 10k for 3 straight days and all my coupons are expired but now btc is down - i think they have enough btc and cash to swing the market to make coupons all sadly expire right before new equipment, i have had over 30 coupons expire in same situation - a few days to a week before new gear is announced/released.

Exactly my thinking!

But if I were Bitmain, I would do the same tbh...

[TheYankeesWin!]

Nah  they will have a lot of trouble selling this gear.  If coins are at 8500 no one will order.

To think they dropped btc price to kill off coupons  makes less sense than jacking up price to sell  more gear.

Unless they plan to pump BCH or BSV  to sell gear.