Naster is scam selling dirty paypal fund

[suchmoon]

It doesn't look like the OP was dealing with Naster but with some third party. Not sure what's the connection there. Was Naster the recipient of the bitcoins in exchange for those PayPal funds? If so then Naster should pay back the full $725 ("someone else scammed me" is not a valid excuse).

You posted only one screenshot, but you didnt post the screenshot where we decided that I should refund 300 USD to your account what I did. I didnt send you paypal, one customer sent you (and you allowed that!) and he scammed us.

We came to this agreement for following reason: one customer sent many small payments to his account. Few days later, these payments have been reversed by PAYPAL. Trying one more time to solve together  this issue, I asked him if he already withdrew the money before this happened. Short story, he moved out already a part and part was left. We agreed that I should get back his paypal account to positive to fix this issue. What I did few days later.
The guy who scammed had sent me around 7-8k paypal balance, almost all has been reversed and I was in short of funds by that time. So it took me few days to send the payment of 300 USD (screenshots following). Normally I have some preventing measures for this by checking few things in accounts of customers, unfortunately these days I had a such overload of work and I missed few checks and this caused me this high loss. And of course, this is not the reason, we just made an arrangement for this case and as always I fulfilled my part.
It could have said "NO, I just dont want you to pay me 300 USD etc.." and I'm very sure I would have fixed the issue with him. Other were affected by this incident and so far nobody complaining here. It should mean what it means.

It's a very simple question. Did you receive $725 worth of Bitcoin from the OP or not?

In this case, I made my part of the arrangement and I will give him nothing more.

The OP posted a few screenshots that show you telling them to defraud PayPal. You paid back only $300 of disputed $725. Both solid reasons for red trust.

You keep repeating yourself. Who said "go and defraud PayPal?" Do you know he was working? Then let me tell you: he gets Paypal funds on his paypal account (he was giving me several accounts to be loaded every day with around 300-400 USD each). Once he had the money, he was simply withdrawing to his multiple bank accounts. Therefore, when this happened, I asked him if he had already moved out the funds so I can see what to do next to fix this ASAP. Just don't sit on one single argument - that you didn't even properly understand - to judge me. Seems you are more excited by your red trust than anything else. If so, Here you go, enjoy you Power to give red trust then.

You both were clearly involved in some shady PayPal shit. It's funny how the part of your conversation after "you already withdrawed ight?" [sic] is missing in your screenshots. That's where you said "better you drop this account I give you an other account free", didn't you? What exactly does this mean? Leaving PayPal holding the bag, right?

It looks like you both were laundering money via PayPal and BTC and you stiffed your "business" partner.

I hope I provided enough information to the community and the mods needed to close this case ASAP.

Mods will not close anything. Scams are not moderated.

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[yahoo62278]

My take on this for anyone who cares, Naster you are offering a service here. By offering such a service you are guaranteeing the funds. You are making a % from each trade. I'm not seeing the % you are charging for trading in your thread, but i'm sure it's between 10% and 30%.

If you are buying bitcoin and giving Paypal, the Paypal should always be sent from your account on Paypal, NOT from other customers. This makes it where you are the only 1 who has to worry about a chargeback to your account. The person sending you bitcoin should never be at risk by anyone except you. You make that % you charge to cover some of the losses you may incur.

Doing business any other way then what I just described makes your service a huge risk to potential customers.

[nutildah]

Finally I found some time to come here and reply to these shameless accusations.

I read through everything. You don't have a screenshot of him agreeing to accept $300 as repayment in full instead of $725?

A couple things here:

1. This looks like an extremely risky, somewhat shady business all the way around, and it seems like the only winner here is usually PayPal.

2. You have an online reputation at the forum and he doesn't, which definitely helps your case, but you haven't provided any evidence thus far that he agreed to take only $300 instead of $725.

Nothing else really matters here.

I don't know why he would ever accept a payment that wasn't F&F, but that's not the root of the issue: the root of the issue is you took $725 worth of BTC from him and only delivered $300.

[suchmoon]

it seems like the only winner here is usually PayPal.

Seeing how they juggle multiple PayPal accounts and bank accounts and try to "drop" negative PayPal accounts after withdrawing the funds... I would disagree. The whole thing looks scammy AF.

[busy124]

Finally I found some time to come here and reply to these shameless accusations.

But before let me comment few reactions so far:

I don't understand, if you've had payments reversed from time to time, why did you keep taking the risk to trade with him? Because he was paying you back? #followthemoney
Besides the fact that PayPal may decide to close your account due to the number of disputes you've received, you knew such a situation could happen at anytime

didn't you agree to receive a refund of $300? If it is then it's too late to complain dude, it should have been done before he sent $300

Good question asked. As far as I remember, this was the second time this happened. If I'm a scammer like he is saying, he should have stopped to work with me by that time.
I was reviewing few of our early chats, we have been probably 1year+ working together, and almost daily communication through Telegram , in the past sometimes in skype.
For those who know Paypal, they know that Paypal is sometimes incalculable. Based on some activities on your account, they can decide any time to close your account and even at their own refund payments and mark it as "unauthorized" even if they were. It's not easy to deal with this company for sure.
This guy is BTC seller, he was selling me BTC and in exchange I was giving PAYPAL.  Due to the high volume he was requesting, I was giving him sometimes funds from my other customers (customers that I had previously verified) and it was not a secret. He knew about that. Of course, he will decline this now.
Not just that, he was sometimes giving me bank accounts where my customers could pay and withdraw to his bank accounts, charging me some fees. And of course, he won't tell that      (I come back to this topic shortly).

It doesn't look like the OP was dealing with Naster but with some third party. Not sure what's the connection there. Was Naster the recipient of the bitcoins in exchange for those PayPal funds? If so then Naster should pay back the full $725 ("someone else scammed me" is not a valid excuse).

You posted only one screenshot, but you didnt post the screenshot where we decided that I should refund 300 USD to your account what I did. I didnt send you paypal, one customer sent you (and you allowed that!) and he scammed us.

We came to this agreement for following reason: one customer sent many small payments to his account. Few days later, these payments have been reversed by PAYPAL. Trying one more time to solve together  this issue, I asked him if he already withdrew the money before this happened. Short story, he moved out already a part and part was left. We agreed that I should get back his paypal account to positive to fix this issue. What I did few days later.
The guy who scammed had sent me around 7-8k paypal balance, almost all has been reversed and I was in short of funds by that time. So it took me few days to send the payment of 300 USD (screenshots following). Normally I have some preventing measures for this by checking few things in accounts of customers, unfortunately these days I had a such overload of work and I missed few checks and this caused me this high loss. And of course, this is not the reason, we just made an arrangement for this case and as always I fulfilled my part.
It could have said "NO, I just dont want you to pay me 300 USD etc.." and I'm very sure I would have fixed the issue with him. Other were affected by this incident and so far nobody complaining here. It should mean what it means.


 

I don't understand, if you've had payments reversed from time to time, why did you keep taking the risk to trade with him? Because he was paying you back? #followthemoney
Besides the fact that PayPal may decide to close your account due to the number of disputes you've received, you knew such a situation could happen at anytime

didn't you agree to receive a refund of $300? If it is then it's too late to complain dude, it should have been done before he sent $300

Yes, in the end he paid me back the money he disputed and also playing as victim crying he got scammed, so i gave him another chance to proof his paypal is clean, but not this time

I am not complaining about the money at this stage, I get it he is not going to pay me back, and I dont care about that money anymore, but people should be aware Naster is selling dirty paypal

Please help me to report him

Very funny   so his only goal here is to "defraud" my reputation for nothing. Good luck with that Mr Busy1234!

Why did you wait so long to comment on what happened, too, dealing in thousands of dollars with someone who "payments got disputed" before is a dangerous sign, why did you continue to deal with all this the negative signs?
And the last part that I did not understand is how you confirmed it was "dirty paypal fund"?

In general, Sorry for your loss and I support that dealing with this user is dangerous, especially since he mentioned the story of dealing with a third party.

Thanks for this comment. Why did he wait so long? I will come back to this shortly.
If this guy dealed with me 1 year+, it can't be a bad sign. But of course, you are free to have your own mind of this.

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Well I don't know what went behind the scenes with you guys , but did you at any point informed  busy124   that the funds are coming in from a 3d party and there's a risk that the money might be disputed ? Did he agree to this ?    Cause I'm quite sure no one would really agree in this conditions .

But anyway , waiting to see more relevant proofs , conversations etc.

Mr busy1234 is a Trader. He knew that he were getting also payments from my customers. That wasnt a secret. And I know that he worked also with similar guys.
For example, some of my customers were selling on ebay and used the bank accounts provided by Mr Busy1234 and he was controlling the main emails of these accounts. There are many things I could post here, but I m not interested to get this guy into trouble. As these informationcould lead to his person there in China. Therefore to protect his privacy, I won't post too much screenshots here. But I reserve the right to do it.

In this case, I made my part of the arrangement and I will give him nothing more.

The OP posted a few screenshots that show you telling them to defraud PayPal. You paid back only $300 of disputed $725. Both solid reasons for red trust.

You keep repeating yourself. Who said "go and defraud PayPal?" Do you know he was working? Then let me tell you: he gets Paypal funds on his paypal account (he was giving me several accounts to be loaded every day with around 300-400 USD each). Once he had the money, he was simply withdrawing to his multiple bank accounts. Therefore, when this happened, I asked him if he had already moved out the funds so I can see what to do next to fix this ASAP. Just don't sit on one single argument - that you didn't even properly understand - to judge me. Seems you are more excited by your red trust than anything else. If so, Here you go, enjoy you Power to give red trust then.



ok enough. Back to the topic with few screenshots.
We have been in communication almost daily and this since 1 year+ through Telegram (direct chat + our working group) + Skype in the past. If I have to review all these conversations, probably I wouldnt be done within 1 week.
So I reviewed quickly few things and took few screenshots. Also as said, I will not post any information that could lead back to Mr busy as we exchanged also such information.

1.
https://i.imgur.com/F3I1q2t.jpg

here Mr Busy informed about the incident.
a)He asked if this payment was from my own account, as he knows that my customers send him also. So I replied. And see the reaction after my response. If it was really new to him, he would have started complaining at that point with things like "Why did you let your customer send to me? etc etc"
b) my first reaction was to ask here if he moved out the funds already. Some are happy to call this "defraud paypal".

So you are making guess based on my reaction now not solid proof? I was pissed off by that dispute, you are sending from third party again after so many warnings not to and you promised so many times you wont. If I knew it is from your client why would I even ask if payment is from your account?


2.
https://i.imgur.com/1QcquWJ.jpg

As said, he was providing me also bank accounts to be used with some paypal accounts, where he was controlling the email accounts. So after this incident, he wanted me to remove the last account that was still in use. I was receiving there ads payment from a customer. Again he was aware.
By the way, I saw where he was saying that I dont have money. This guy was putting me pressure to send him more and more paypal and for more fees because "bank is asking more money". Therefore I had to reduce the volume, I have many other btc sellers with competitive rates.  Not just that, he was very discourteous. Thus, I reduced a lot the traffic to him. I still have good volume of sales but I m not here for that discussion.

This paypal salvador belong to Naster was registered by him months ago, and I dont have access to it, I only provided bank account to withdraw money, and a email to receive notification when he make transfer, all ID, phone number, VPS or SSN are belong to Naster, so this proves our agreement: clean FnF payment from his own account transfer to my paypal or to my bank.
he sent me data and screenshot to proof Salvador is his paypal used to collect his ads payments
https://imgur.com/DqRoTBW


3.
https://i.imgur.com/bmdDKlD.jpg
As I was saying, he was managing also the ebay funds of some customers with his accounts.
Again, this business paypal Felix belong to Naster, I dont have access to it, he uses his own paypal account to receive money from ebay then transfer to me
https://imgur.com/rQ1vxNR

4.
They were time where I had enough paypal funds for him, and he couldnt accept the payments because of issues with his bank accounts.
See this discussion:
Do you want me to get on this? at that time my paypal and bank account was limited by your dispute

https://i.imgur.com/l9nLqjz.png


5.
Here we had already concluded that I will pay just the 300 USD  so we close this incident.

https://i.imgur.com/VxbpW4a.png

https://i.imgur.com/yTyKZCh.png

https://i.imgur.com/ckVVB52.png
6.
Finally I paid

https://i.imgur.com/Svkndgl.png

And this was my last communication with him since.

Did I accept it? I wanted you to pay me 725 in full, but you will only pay me 300 and you didnt have enough paypal money at that time, it took you 4 days to come up with $300, I was waiting for you to pay the rest for 2 weeks

7.
Here an old discussion we had about 2 of my own accounts (because he is saying I never did IPTV or whatever)
https://i.imgur.com/kya8jS5.jpg
what is this about? when did I say you never did IPTV? In fact I said you promised paypal money is coming from your shop (IPTV, freight ticket ads)


8.
Here I found an old discussion from the 24th July 2019 about a payment made by a russian customer who was running a legit business:


this proves my point again, our agreement was clean paypal payment send as FnF from your own account, but you kept breaking that terms, I was furious I wanted to refund that dirty money but my paypal was already limited, so I send you warning if you do it again there will be penalty in our rate, and you apologized and promised wont happen again

https://i.imgur.com/PBaWThM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6LUPXTS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yJ5ZDK0.jpg


9.
Here again:

https://i.imgur.com/Svkndgl.png

I repeat this was my last communication with him since.
I m very surprised that after few weeks passed, he who was having almost daily communication with me, just comes here to start with accusations.
What is his real motivation finally? May be a good way (really good?) to attract some paypal customers using my name over his newbie account. Why not ))) but in my opinion the wrong way to do it.
Anyway good luck with your new sales.
Did you forget I have a 2 years account from localbitcoins, with 100% positive feedback?


I hope I provided enough information to the community and the mods needed to close this case ASAP.

Thank you everyone!

[busy124]

It is a long post, so i am making a conclusion
His screenshot proves our deal was cleaning FnF send from his own paypal account to my paypal or transfer to my bank

point 2 and 3: Felix and Salvador paypal are business paypal account that get payment from ebay or the ads income, they belong to Naster, I can provide more screenshots to prove he send me data to verify those are his paypal accounts, you can see he also send me screenshot of his ebay, sometime i verify the legitimacy of his paypal source.
so I dont have access to those 2 account, Naster is using his own paypals to collect payment from his clients on this.
https://imgur.com/DqRoTBW
https://imgur.com/rQ1vxNR

point 8. the screenshot from Russian payment proves, I was against him sending GnS from third party, he also made that promise not to do that again, but he kept using my paypal to test potential dirty payment from third party behind my back

So here you go, this the last time I cant tolerate his shady business anymore

All his screenshots proves my points

[Btchunter3333]

It is a long post, so i am making a conclusion
His screenshot proves our deal was cleaning FnF send from his own paypal account to my paypal or transfer to my bank

point 2 and 3: Felix and Salvador paypal are business paypal account that get payment from ebay or the ads income, they belong to Naster, I can provide more screenshots to prove he send me data to verify those are his paypal accounts, you can see he also send me screenshot of his ebay, sometime i verify the legitimacy of his paypal source.
so I dont have access to those 2 account, Naster is using his own paypals to collect payment from his clients on this.
https://imgur.com/DqRoTBW
https://imgur.com/rQ1vxNR

point 8. the screenshot from Russian payment proves, I was against him sending GnS from third party, he also made that promise not to do that again, but he kept using my paypal to test potential dirty payment from third party behind my back

So here you go, this the last time I cant tolerate his shady business anymore

All his screenshots proves my points

Well this is your point. Did you know that use your bank account on another paypal accounts and not on your own paypal account is against paypal terms and policy?

And one more thing, i don't see where you ask him 725 usd?

[busy124]

It is a long post, so i am making a conclusion
His screenshot proves our deal was cleaning FnF send from his own paypal account to my paypal or transfer to my bank

point 2 and 3: Felix and Salvador paypal are business paypal account that get payment from ebay or the ads income, they belong to Naster, I can provide more screenshots to prove he send me data to verify those are his paypal accounts, you can see he also send me screenshot of his ebay, sometime i verify the legitimacy of his paypal source.
so I dont have access to those 2 account, Naster is using his own paypals to collect payment from his clients on this.
https://imgur.com/DqRoTBW
https://imgur.com/rQ1vxNR

point 8. the screenshot from Russian payment proves, I was against him sending GnS from third party, he also made that promise not to do that again, but he kept using my paypal to test potential dirty payment from third party behind my back

So here you go, this the last time I cant tolerate his shady business anymore

All his screenshots proves my points

Well this is your point. Did you know that use your bank account on another paypal accounts and not on your own paypal account is against paypal terms and policy?

And one more thing, i don't see where you ask him 725 usd?

https://imgur.com/5ZAgkLG
It is legal, because bank account was registered under paypal account holders name, that is why I asked him to provide data and screenshot of his paypal page
You can ask your accountant to register a company or bank account in a foreign country without your present

[Naster]

"better I give you an other account" -> I had deals with him where he was using my old paypal accounts.

I see people here acting just like they never used bitcoin for paypal. Even some of those writing here used the service already several times. That's pathetic.

From now, I will not make any more comment on this.

I'm done with this topic.

You are all free to engage in discussion with the OP.

I had an agreement with this guy, all was clear if you followed the discussion. I paid him what was agreed and I will give him nothing more.

This guy was working in HongKong and in few european countries with some corrupted bankers to open bank accounts, while he has is own called "Master account" in HSBC in Hong Kong (all information are available).
I will expose you fully if you continue telling bullshit about me and you and me know how your country CHINA will react on it.

[suchmoon]

"better I give you an other account" -> I had deals with him where he was using my old paypal accounts.

I see people here acting just like they never used bitcoin for paypal. Even some of those writing here used the service already several times. That's pathetic.

You again avoided answering a couple of simple questions so I'll take that as a confirmation that my feedback is factual:

1) You received $725 worth of BTC and paid only $300 for it.
2) You suggested that your partner should "drop" the account, i.e. defraud PayPal.

This guy was working in HongKong and in few european countries with some corrupted bankers to open bank accounts, while he has is own called "Master account" in HSBC in Hong Kong (all information are available).
I will expose you fully if you continue telling bullshit about me and you and me know how your country CHINA will react on it.

Making such threats makes you look more like a scammer, not less.

[nutildah]

I had an agreement with this guy, all was clear if you followed the discussion. I paid him what was agreed and I will give him nothing more.

I was willing to give you a fair shake here but you provided zero evidence of an "agreement." Shifting the blame to either your client or us does not absolve you of your responsibility to complete your end of a deal.

[DireWolfM14]

@busy124 I'm sorry for your loss.  I hope naster comes around and makes things right for you.

@naster I'm sorry for your loss also, and I'm sorry you find yourself in this situation.  I can't help but think that finding yourself here was just a matter of "when" not "if."  You've been at this trading thing for quite some time, apparently.  I can only assume this is not the first time someone has charged-back a PayPal payment to you.  It seems like it's far too common when mixing PayPal with crypto.

Having said that, why on earth would you exacerbate the risk by letting others send PayPal to your vendors/clients on your behalf?  That's just asking for trouble.  How well do you know these clients who you've had send payments on your behalf?  Was this the first time you dealt with the client who sent payment to busy124?  Not that it really matters, because it's my belief that you are responsible for this transaction.  You made the agreement and arrangement with busy124, so that makes it your responsibility to honor the agreement.

Engaging in any business deals comes with inherent risks.  If you are unable or unwilling to mitigate those risks, then you must assume the risks and not expect your customers to suffer a loss that's attributable to your risky behavior.  There's nothing in your trading thread that indicates otherwise.  You did not mention in your trading thread that the risk of charge-backs is to be beard by the recipient of PayPal funds.  You did not mention that you will be contracting with others to send the PayPal payments on your behalf, and that those funds are at risk of being charged back.

Furthermore, suchmoon makes a very valid point about defrauding PayPal.  I know they are huge corporation that can afford to absorb some fraudulent behavior, and may not garnish any sympathy (especially from the crypto crowd,) but that's not an excuse to engage in fraud.  By your own admission you have multiple PayPal accounts, which is a violation of their terms of use.  You seem to have no reservations about "dropping the account" and moving on to another.  Some of us who use PayPal for legitimate purchases and sales, and have provided them with our real KYC documents do not have that luxury.  Just the fact that you made such a suggestion displays a lack of honesty and integrity.

I have a feeling this situation will hurt you much more than you think if you decide not compensate busy124 for his remaining losses.  By not making things right you risk losing far more business in the future, and therefor more money than what this would be costing you.

Best of luck to both parties involved.

[Btchunter3333]

I understand from all conversations that they both working together and now when something happen one of parts start complaining and not want anymore agree, and i also see that busy say if again happen send via good and family fee will be higher which means busy start take fee first time from Naster and not opposite.

[busy124]

"better I give you an other account" -> I had deals with him where he was using my old paypal accounts.

How can you say I was using your paypal accounts when I dont even have password or access to the account, all you sent me was some information and screenshot of your paypal account, which is very common KYC when sell BTC on this forum.
https://imgur.com/uWjD2lz
I requested you to provide me access from teamviewer or VPS to verify the source of fund was from ebay, but you declined it.
So those paypals Naster used to receive GnS from third party were never mine, he had access and manage all transactions on his laptop.

Not just that, he was sometimes giving me bank accounts where my customers could pay and withdraw to his bank accounts, charging me some fees. And of course, he won't tell that  Smiley    (I come back to this topic shortly).

It is funny his long post of evidences are most about me providing bank account to his paypal, he is jumping to the conclusion I will hide it, which I already disclosed this to another member's question before him

author=Btchunter3333 link=topic=5231737.msg54010695#msg54010695 date=1583965054]

I had few paypals to receive payments from him, also I provided him bank accounts to link to his paypal to make bank transfer, because i cant get USA or european paypal, that requires SSN, so I just give him bank account to link to his own paypal that he used to run his shops.
But in the end, if he wants to receive GnS from his shops or third party payment, he has to use his own paypal to collect payment and transfer to my paypal as FnF or to my bank accounts.

Seems like he cant find any evidence he is just pulling lot of screenshot that proves nothing

This guy was working in HongKong and in few european countries with some corrupted bankers to open bank accounts, while he has is own called "Master account" in HSBC in Hong Kong (all information are available).
I will expose you fully if you continue telling bullshit about me and you and me know how your country CHINA will react on it.

Another desperate move, he is avoiding the fundamental question about he is selling dirty fund rather than attack me
Bank allows me to open multiple accounts because I am their VIP customer, once your company reaches certain level of income you get private bank manager and priority to open new account oversea, because I export lot to different countries, I only over used my privilege to help others to open accounts faster and easier

He also sent me life threat on my telegram, which I am not afraid of him.

[busy124]

I understand from all conversations that they both working together and now when something happen one of parts start complaining and not want anymore agree, and i also see that busy say if again happen send via good and family fee will be higher which means busy start take fee first time from Naster and not opposite.

I dont know why you are defending him, but I will answer your question

Higher rate is not to encourage him sending GnS from third party, but penalty
Because every time he send me GnS, he just apologize and promise never do it again, but he never learn the lesson

https://imgur.com/PBaWThM
https://imgur.com/kIzroUj

If you compare our screenshots, Naster covered key information showing rate is 30%
I sell him btc for between 10-14.5%, I know he sells his btc on this forum for 20%, so by increasing rate to 30%, that will ensure he will never send me GnS from third party, this is my goal for higher rate, because if he does, that will make him 10% loss

But you see all screenshots Naster takes are redacted, he covered key information, trying to manipulate conversation showing me allow GnS from third party at higher rate, but once I reveal the whole conversation, truth comes out.
I am trying as best as I can to stop him sending GnS from third party

[Naster]

I already said that I won't make any more comment on this.

But I will give few more details.

1. Mr Busy is not even able to tell the truth. I understand that hypocrites like you get offended by the truth. I always knew you are a hypocrite, but a such??    

2. Generally when I accept PAYPAL funds from 3rd party customer, i verify their identity before accepting their money as well I ask question about the source of their money and I try to verify as much as I can. It's a standard procedure. I'm not interested in fraudulent funds However and unfortunately, they are always people who will find ways to scam you. Even on Localbitcoins.com where people are fully verified with double selfie (I have my own account there fully verified - Mr Busy I already gave you my account). If you want to start that game to post identities here, let's go. You can start with that now. I have enough evidence in hands that lead to you in person in CHINA. It shouldn't be a secret for you now. You said I'm threatening you? Aren't you the one who started this? I'm ready for that step if you want. I have no problems with that.

3. So your corrupted friend bankers open bank accounts for people just by seeing what they sell on ebay?? because that's all what was asked. no KYC right? standard procedure right?   Continue to hide yourself between few words and few screenshots.
You are VIP customer?? LOLLLL So you have your own VIP bank accounts in USA, in CHINA, in EUROPE and everywhere in this world right? and because you are such a VIP customer, you can just make a call and let them open any bank account lol so you are super VIP in Chicago right? at the same time in UK right? wow you must be BIG lol
And the fact that you and your corrupted bankers wanted to change the email accounts on the paypal accounts to have one @126.com (China domain) or @protonmail.com as main address, that's standard procedure for the VIP right?
This guy had control over the main emails... who knows what this means, will understand. I won't say more. I m sure he will think about something and explain us soon  

4. People are fixed on the expression "I will give you my other account" : first of all, its not forbidden on paypal to have multiple accounts. Who can proof me the opposite, can show me here. This guy had control over my accounts and wanted more. And simply because each account was for him source of imoney. He was selling me BTC, he was making money here by selling his BTC. For every item sold on ebay for example, he was taking a cut.

5. I saw again many times the same question about evidence of 300 USD. I showed few screenshots how we had a discussion. I m writing in english and not in russian right? If you can't understand, then I m sorry. Did you see any objection in our discussion when were discussing about the 300 USD? And why after I have paid the agreed 300 USD, he didn't answer immediately that he changed his mind again and I should send him now all the remaining. Why 2 weeks long, no words exchanged and directly starting make posts here while we had a very easy and fast communication channel? (by the way I just blocked him from Telegram and closed all our channel). He made the choice now to communicate, he can happily continue here. I will try to reply when I have some free time and I see a reason to answer.

[nutildah]

5. I saw again many times the same question about evidence of 300 USD. I showed few screenshots how we had a discussion. I m writing in english and not in russian right? If you can't understand, then I m sorry. Did you see any objection in our discussion when were discussing about the 300 USD? And why after I have paid the agreed 300 USD, he didn't answer immediately that he changed his mind again and I should send him now all the remaining. Why 2 weeks long, no words exchanged and directly starting make posts here while we had a very easy and fast communication channel? (by the way I just blocked him from Telegram and closed all our channel). He made the choice now to communicate, he can happily continue here. I will try to reply when I have some free time and I see a reason to answer.

You showed no evidence that your customer agreed to accept $300 USD as payment in full. Just because he didn't respond right away doesn't imply that he agreed with taking only $300.

You left me a negative trust and said I am abusing the trust system, but this is exactly what it is for.

As I said in my feedback to you, if you make this user whole and repay what is owed, I will consider removing the feedback.

[TECSHARE]

Both of these guys are shady as fuck. IMO this is a waste of time to try to moderate. Just two shady fucks taking turns trying to buttfuck each other and crying about it. BTW, I hope neither of you live in the USA, because I am pretty sure a lot of what was published here constitutes evidence of criminal activity in the US as well as several other nations.

[Naster]

@nutildah :  Seems you had already your idea about me from beginning, so I won't comment more.

@TECSHARE : if buying BTC with my PAYPAL funds

constitutes evidence of criminal activity

then the US gov or whatever country should start closing sites like localbitcoins, paxful or whatever or even this forum. It seems you had nothing to say but you felt you need to say something.
I was curious to have a look at your profile and your Trust rating. Your profile shows that you are engaged in
well numerous of trades. So you trade also?? lol
So this is what the most respected members on this forum are saying about you?

Anyway, we STOP here please.

We are starting here moving away from the main subject, where in my opinion there is nothing more to explain on this topic.

I'm kindly asking to the Mods of this section to close this non-sense accusation and at the same time asking to those who abused of their Trust power to red my account to remove it. This was simply unfair.
Nobody really understands the motivation of Mr  **** ***** a.k.a Busy1234 with this. We are not here to speculate but to use facts and make constructive statements.
Agreement between us was clear and as always I respected my part. There is nothing more to discuss unless to engage into something else.

Thank you

[nutildah]

@nutildah :  Seems you had already your idea about me from beginning, so I won't comment more.

You said busy124 was satisfied with only receiving the $300, even though you owed him $725. Clearly he wasn't, and you provided no proof of an agreement between you two to settle for $300. It's a pretty clear cut case here. If you reimburse busy124 the missing $425, I will remove my negative feedback.

Its crazy to say you are not untrustworthy if you feel its OK to occasionally leave your customers on the hook for money after they delivered you bitcoin. Either refund the missing bitcoin or send the money and I will remove my feedback.