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April 17, 2020, 05:04:57 PM
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We know that day trading or short time trading is like playing with wild fire, not may can handle it. That's y most player's end up in loss and very few are successful day traders.
Is that hold true for gambling also?
  There are posts here that gambling is addiction and how to get rid of.
Are there gamblers here who are in profit overall?

Ahaha, that true for sure. Both on gambling and trading there only 5-6 % of people who get money, most in long term only lost their funds. And yeah, it's more like trading is like gambling, not vice versa  Grin

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April 17, 2020, 05:09:58 PM
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We know that day trading or short time trading is like playing with wild fire, not may can handle it. That's y most player's end up in loss and very few are successful day traders.
Is that hold true for gambling also?
  There are posts here that gambling is addiction and how to get rid of.
Are there gamblers here who are in profit overall?
It is, gambling and trading was just similar or maybe business  Grin. You could easily double your investment in both  gambling and trading  if your are just lucky.

But trading would be less risky than gambling you are not really going to lose money in trading unless you sell your investment but in gambling you could easily lose it all.
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April 17, 2020, 06:05:36 PM
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Definitely, trading is like gambling but like what some people said, it's not vice versa means gambling can't be trading. Both trading and gambling have risk, trading usually has long term risk since you're waiting for the pump in the market while gambling is just a short term risk which means a situation will occur after betting. Both should be learned but for me, trading is more complex than gambling 'cause you just need to rely on luck sometimes.
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April 17, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
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We know that day trading or short time trading is like playing with wild fire, not may can handle it. That's y most player's end up in loss and very few are successful day traders.
Is that hold true for gambling also?
  There are posts here that gambling is addiction and how to get rid of.
Are there gamblers here who are in profit overall?

Ahaha, that true for sure. Both on gambling and trading there only 5-6 % of people who get money, most in long term only lost their funds. And yeah, it's more like trading is like gambling, not vice versa  Grin

Daytrading is really a lot like playing slot machines or roulette...  Everywhere you need amazing luck to win more than you lose! Especially in the case of margin trading... After all, if you trade on the spot exchange, in the worst case, you will still have coins or tokens, which (in theory Wink) can be sold without a loss! Grin But in slot machines you lose your coins permanently, as well as on the margin trading ... Wink

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April 17, 2020, 07:09:54 PM
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Definitely, trading is like gambling but like what some people said, it's not vice versa means gambling can't be trading. Both trading and gambling have risk, trading usually has long term risk since you're waiting for the pump in the market while gambling is just a short term risk which means a situation will occur after betting. Both should be learned but for me, trading is more complex than gambling 'cause you just need to rely on luck sometimes.
Both needs to learned in order to choose what best platforms will bring you higher chance to earn, though trading if you will be seeking for much deeper there are lots of educational ways to understand and not just to deal with luck, as gambling mostly depends from luck that will be at your side each time you play and bet.
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April 17, 2020, 08:17:55 PM
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Definitely, trading is like gambling but like what some people said, it's not vice versa means gambling can't be trading.

Don't think so, if you truely understand what goes on behind trading then you won't put both words in the same sentence insulating similarities. The only reason why people compare the two is because most "so called traders"aren't actually traders but gamblers disguising themselves as traders since all they do is gamble on coins that are likely to pump and place their trade.

When it comes to gambling although continuous practice can make you perfect your skills as a gambler, it isn't as effective as that of a traders since in trading practice makes perfect. The two are different and doesn't have any similarities when done In the right manner.

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April 17, 2020, 08:33:59 PM
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Definitely, trading is like gambling but like what some people said, it's not vice versa means gambling can't be trading. Both trading and gambling have risk, trading usually has long term risk since you're waiting for the pump in the market while gambling is just a short term risk which means a situation will occur after betting. Both should be learned but for me, trading is more complex than gambling 'cause you just need to rely on luck sometimes.
Both needs to learned in order to choose what best platforms will bring you higher chance to earn, though trading if you will be seeking for much deeper there are lots of educational ways to understand and not just to deal with luck, as gambling mostly depends from luck that will be at your side each time you play and bet.

I don't know anybody who constantly makes money in trading on the stock exchange or in casinos, or at bets! So I think that daytrading and gambling can easily be called similar... But short-term investment is already different from gambling!


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April 17, 2020, 09:37:05 PM
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Both needs to learned in order to choose what best platforms will bring you higher chance to earn, though trading if you will be seeking for much deeper there are lots of educational ways to understand and not just to deal with luck, as gambling mostly depends from luck that will be at your side each time you play and bet.

There no "the best platform" to lose your money. And about luck: trading and gambling depends on luck. both. There no difference.

But short-term investment is already different from gambling!

What time you put in meaning "short term investments"? One week?  Grin

Don't think so, if you truely understand what goes on behind trading then you won't put both words in the same sentence insulating similarities. The only reason why people compare the two is because most "so called traders"aren't actually traders but gamblers disguising themselves as traders since all they do is gamble on coins that are likely to pump and place their trade.

When it comes to gambling although continuous practice can make you perfect your skills as a gambler, it isn't as effective as that of a traders since in trading practice makes perfect. The two are different and doesn't have any similarities when done In the right manner.

Result the same. Or maybe do you know traders which living by trading for long time, eh? For honest, i don't know any example. I know traders which selling signals, which selling courses or even creating movies about their life (wolf of wall street). But there noone who would live from their "main" activity.

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April 17, 2020, 10:03:34 PM
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But short-term investment is already different from gambling!

What time you put in meaning "short term investments"? One week?  Grin

No, not for one week! Some coins can be held for 3-6 months and make a good profit!
However, it is still necessary to buy correctly (not on high Wink), otherwise everything can go on a bad scenario!

Buying coins for 1 week in the hope of getting a good profit - it's just like a casino game! Grin

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April 17, 2020, 11:12:20 PM
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I don't know anybody who constantly makes money in trading on the stock exchange or in casinos, or at bets! So I think that daytrading and gambling can easily be called similar..
I don't think there is someone who can earn daily in betting or casinos. AFAIK, we don't always win in each attempt in gambling. While in trading, you can earn daily if you don't target too high for profits. On the other side, some gambling games such as dice or slot, require no specific skills since they are luck-based. In trading, especially in day trading, we need specific skills to optimize the chance of profits. You cannot trade with careless skills & no knowledge in trading yet it will lead to losing only. So, how can we conclude they are the same?

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April 17, 2020, 11:38:58 PM
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We know that day trading or short time trading is like playing with wild fire, not may can handle it. That's y most player's end up in loss and very few are successful day traders.
Is that hold true for gambling also?
  There are posts here that gambling is addiction and how to get rid of.
Are there gamblers here who are in profit overall?
I agreed with you having been in involved in both day trading and gambling, the unpredictable movement of price as per short term trading makes it to be highly risky to earn any tangible profits while gambling is more like a 50:50 chance in long run a gambler might loss whatever profits earned earlier, my best bet is long term trading where the price is stable and predictable.

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I don't know anybody who constantly makes money in trading on the stock exchange or in casinos, or at bets! So I think that daytrading and gambling can easily be called similar..
I don't think there is someone who can earn daily in betting or casinos. AFAIK, we don't always win in each attempt in gambling. While in trading, you can earn daily if you don't target too high for profits. On the other side, some gambling games such as dice or slot, require no specific skills since they are luck-based. In trading, especially in day trading, we need specific skills to optimize the chance of profits. You cannot trade with careless skills & no knowledge in trading yet it will lead to losing only. So, how can we conclude they are the same?
They arent the same on general sense yet gambling would really be gambling and trading would really be trading but there are
situation where trading can be gambling if you dont know on what you are doing but gambling cant really be considered trading.
Theres no such thing about fix profit on gambling in daily basis even lets talk on strategy based gambling.

If you do like to trade or investment then all things should really be studied and you shouldnt do it on random basis or does lack
skills and knowledge yet you do basically doing gambling.

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April 17, 2020, 11:49:17 PM
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We know that day trading or short time trading is like playing with wild fire, not may can handle it. That's y most player's end up in loss and very few are successful day traders.
Is that hold true for gambling also?
  There are posts here that gambling is addiction and how to get rid of.
Are there gamblers here who are in profit overall?
I think yes...
Daily gambling and trading are betting, betting is a process of doubling money, just the way to double the money and the analysis is different.
And you are right, the analysis is different because gambling is totally different from trading and no way to think about doubling your money is just a dream. We are blinded to see the reality about gambling and you'll be lucky enough if you could win unlike trading that certainly be needing knowledge and skills.
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I do not think that gambling and day trading are the same, sure they both involve risk which made it look like that they have a lot of similarities, but if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture gambling doesn't have a money back guarantee, trading on the other hand ensures that you can still get the money back though you have a loss. Another difference is the timeframe of return of investment, in gambling, once the dice stops or the cards are set is also the time when you will get the return or not, unlike day trading, if you bought a stock and the price continues to dump you could either wait for it to get back on track and reap a profit. For me that is enough difference to make me identify one from the other.

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April 18, 2020, 04:06:15 AM
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I know people who are day traders and they are living for that but it's the other way around and not in crypto. The comparison of day trading and gambling isn't vague and odd. There's really similarity for both ends but they are entirely unique on their own ways of making strategy.
How you will win your bets and same goes by for your trades.

but if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture gambling doesn't have a money back guarantee, trading on the other hand ensures that you can still get the money back though you have a loss.
The logic is just the same with gambling and that's why you see gamblers taking back their losses and gamble again.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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April 18, 2020, 05:43:51 AM
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I know people who are day traders and they are living for that but it's the other way around and not in crypto. The comparison of day trading and gambling isn't vague and odd. There's really similarity for both ends but they are entirely unique on their own ways of making strategy.
How you will win your bets and same goes by for your trades.

but if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture gambling doesn't have a money back guarantee, trading on the other hand ensures that you can still get the money back though you have a loss.
The logic is just the same with gambling and that's why you see gamblers taking back their losses and gamble again.

How can they bothe have similar logic?

Gambling has house edge and in trading exchanges do not. Both, use different logic, gambling platfor control the outcome and exchange depends on the community who are controlling the outcome of a trade.

They both are completely different entities. Day trading is part of trading which is done on an exchange and exchanges depend on the community of traders. The community decides how a particular asset will perform, you need different set of skills ans logic for that.


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April 18, 2020, 06:02:29 AM
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How can they bothe have similar logic?

Gambling has house edge and in trading exchanges do not. Both, use different logic, gambling platfor control the outcome and exchange depends on the community who are controlling the outcome of a trade.

They both are completely different entities. Day trading is part of trading which is done on an exchange and exchanges depend on the community of traders. The community decides how a particular asset will perform, you need different set of skills ans logic for that.


Correct me if Im wrong, but there are different kinds of gambling, and yes there are those gambling games like dice and other games that uses an algorithm which usually set on the houses' edge. But, gambling like sports betting does not have an algorithm that can be set in the houses' favor. Sports gambling enables your knowledge and analysis to narrow down the risk of lossing. Same as day trading, you need to set specific strategies and market analysis for you to be able to make a winning trade.


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April 18, 2020, 06:47:11 AM
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I do not think that gambling and day trading are the same, sure they both involve risk which made it look like that they have a lot of similarities, but if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture gambling doesn't have a money back guarantee, trading on the other hand ensures that you can still get the money back though you have a loss. Another difference is the timeframe of return of investment, in gambling, once the dice stops or the cards are set is also the time when you will get the return or not, unlike day trading, if you bought a stock and the price continues to dump you could either wait for it to get back on track and reap a profit. For me that is enough difference to make me identify one from the other.
Indeed, it has similarities but the way to gain is totally different. Gambling usually doesnt require skills, if you know the game then you can start to play and in order to win you need to become lucky. However there are some games that if you have a knowledge its an edge to predict who might win (e.g. sports betting).

In trading its a must to learn first. Having a plan and strategy can maximize your chance to earn for doing it right. It has risk and no assurance if you will gain like gambling but the outcome is in your hands because it depends how you will act on what coins to buy and how much price you will sell plus your time to monitor the market.

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April 18, 2020, 08:46:30 AM
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I do not think that gambling and day trading are the same, sure they both involve risk which made it look like that they have a lot of similarities, but if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture gambling doesn't have a money back guarantee, trading on the other hand ensures that you can still get the money back though you have a loss. Another difference is the timeframe of return of investment, in gambling, once the dice stops or the cards are set is also the time when you will get the return or not, unlike day trading, if you bought a stock and the price continues to dump you could either wait for it to get back on track and reap a profit. For me that is enough difference to make me identify one from the other.
Indeed, it has similarities but the way to gain is totally different. Gambling usually doesnt require skills, if you know the game then you can start to play and in order to win you need to become lucky. However there are some games that if you have a knowledge its an edge to predict who might win (e.g. sports betting).

In trading its a must to learn first. Having a plan and strategy can maximize your chance to earn for doing it right. It has risk and no assurance if you will gain like gambling but the outcome is in your hands because it depends how you will act on what coins to buy and how much price you will sell plus your time to monitor the market.
There are only two similarities that I see in both gambling and trading, it is the risks and the term "discipline". The risks in those are really high that is why we should learn how to manage it carefully. Both have different skills and techniques that are important in order to be profitable.

I mentioned the term "discipline" because a characteristic of a good gambler and good trader have a discipline. Discipline in what way?  In trading we should always have a plan where we should we enter and where we should exit in a trade. The discipline that I want to give focus is following our plan where we should have cut loss very tight to protect our capital especially in day trading. In terms of gambling it is also like that, we should have discipline because it is part of our risk and management. We should know when to quit or when to bet more.
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April 18, 2020, 09:41:27 AM
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Indeed, it has similarities but the way to gain is totally different. Gambling usually doesnt require skills, if you know the game then you can start to play and in order to win you need to become lucky. However there are some games that if you have a knowledge its an edge to predict who might win (e.g. sports betting).
you answered it well, it does not require skills if you are gambling for fun, but there are games like sports betting where you can get use of your skills to win. Sports betting is a skilled based type of game, anyone can start their journey as a sports bettor as it's like trading where you need to analyze.

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