Bitcoin Chaser promotes shady & provably scamming gambling sites

[efialtis]

A "typical" gambling affiliate website called "Bitcoin Chaser - bitcoinchaser.com" has been actively trying to drive traffic to their site via bitcointalk - their goal is of course getting people to click on their affiliate links and register on any of the countless gambling sites they are promoting. That´s totally fine with me and I wouldnt mind at all - provided they were only promoting legit sites.  

Side note: Their reviews are obviously far from being unbiased/real and definitely not written with the players in mind - those so called reviews are more like press releases and pure selling material. Unfortunately thats the case with most affiliate websites out there... I wouldnt personally recommend such sites as a reference but I also wouldnt create a thread like this one just for that reason.

Whats the problem: They are actively promoting several shady gambling sites and even proven scammers, for example 1xbit, bitstarz, kawbet - I guess there will be many more if you had a closer look at their site... At this point I dont think I need to explain or bring up proof why the mentioned sites are shady...

1xbit & bitstarz are even being promoted heavily on their frontpage as top bitcoin casinos - see screenshot below:

The worst thing: Since January, when they first signed up here, people confronted them about that and I personally wrote several posts in their thread asking for a statement and more importantly, asking them to stop promoting scammers. Well, its been months by now and they changed absolutely nothing. They make up excuses and they would look into it and bla bla bla - for months. There is nothing to look into when for example talking about 1xbit - and it shouldnt take months...

We should take some action, make people aware that they cant trust in that site´s reviews/recommendations and also tag them here on bitcointalk. Promoting known and proven scammers as an affiliate in order to earn commission isnt any better than actually running those scam sites.

Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2743709
Link to ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227244.0
Please support my Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1475

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[actmyname]

If someone is directly informed of scammy|shady behavior and still thinks there is no problem, then they clearly don't show any moral imperative to protecting others and should be reprimanded. The question that I have for you: did you send them any messages linking to the accounts or any relevant threads regarding the casinos, or did you simply leave it off with what you posted in the thread?

Of course, common due diligence implies that they would have investigated the users on Bitcointalk, but since this appears to merely be another advertising platform, it is uncouth to assume with absolute certainty that they investigated the users rather than the sites directly. Believe you me, I don't trust the sites at all (especially bitstarz) but blanket statements make for poor reason for removal.Lucifer has me on speed-dial: the defense rests its case.

[hacker1001101001]

I think this statement makes them more entangled with the scams.

1xBit is not a paid placement, but due to community comments - we are actively looking at finding other casinos to replace them in certain situations.

As per @Bitcoin_chaser, they don't get any payment to put of this fraud gambling sites on there website and even promote them as one of the best. But they still feel loss at replacing them with many other legimate options already available. Sounds confusing from them, as they even go at an extend to calling 1xBit as biggest bitcoin gaming website in the world in there conclusion about it.



Even this stars !

[efialtis]

If someone is directly informed of scammy|shady behavior and still thinks there is no problem, then they clearly don't show any moral imperative to protecting others and should be reprimanded. The question that I have for you: did you send them any messages linking to the accounts or any relevant threads regarding the casinos, or did you simply leave it off with what you posted in the thread?

Of course, common due diligence implies that they would have investigated the users on Bitcointalk, but since this appears to merely be another advertising platform, it is uncouth to assume with absolute certainty that they investigated the users rather than the sites directly. Believe you me, I don't trust the sites at all (especially bitstarz) but blanket statements make for poor reason for removal.Lucifer has me on speed-dial: the defense rests its case.

No, I didnt spend hours in order to give them links to all those scam accusations etc. - thats their job anyways when they are a casino review site, isnt it? Plus, we are talking about clear cases here...

I am really surprised nobody gives a shit about this one when everybody was on fire regarding BestChange back in the day...

- They are promoting known and proven scammers
- They have been made aware of that
- They dont care

[hacker1001101001]

I am really surprised nobody gives a shit about this one when everybody was on fire regarding BestChange back in the day...

- They are promoting known and proven scammers
- They have been made aware of that
- They dont care

Creating a flag type 1 might be a better option here.

Edit: flag supported.

[efialtis]

I am really surprised nobody gives a shit about this one when everybody was on fire regarding BestChange back in the day...

- They are promoting known and proven scammers
- They have been made aware of that
- They dont care

Creating a flag type 1 might be a better option here.

Quite the timing - just have moments ago --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1475

They just posted in their thread they will be reconsidering and possibly "lower 1xbits tiers" on their pages, lol...

[mocacinno]

Quite the timing - just have moments ago --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1475

They just posted in their thread they will be reconsidering and possibly "lower 1xbits tiers" on their pages, lol...

I've reviewed the evidence and agree... Flag supported, and since it now has sufficient support, it's active...

That being said, it would be honest if you'd PM Bitcoin_chaser and tell them you opened this topic, give them a chance to defend themselfs...

[efialtis]

Quite the timing - just have moments ago --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1475

They just posted in their thread they will be reconsidering and possibly "lower 1xbits tiers" on their pages, lol...

I've reviewed the evidence and agree... Flag supported, and since it now has sufficient support, it's active...

That being said, it would be honest if you'd PM Bitcoin_chaser and tell them you opened this topic, give them a chance to defend themselfs...

Thanks - yeah, I have pm´ed them - its not like I enjoy "bashing" anyone...

[actmyname]

No, I didnt spend hours in order to give them links to all those scam accusations etc. - thats their job anyways when they are a casino review site, isnt it? Plus, we are talking about clear cases here...

Like I said, just offering another perspective. Though, as this develops, we do see something interesting.

Shocker that they only respond when given a flag! It's almost as if there's something called willful ignorance plaguing the waters.I don't know their review process in full but clearly, if they're not diligent enough to search "<casinoName> scam" into any search engine and look over some of the results, then their word cannot be taken at face value lest we have a heaping serving of salt.

[Bitcoin_chaser]

Hello everyone,

It is very unfortunate to see this thread come up. We have tried to address all concerns regarding 1xBit and we have even taken necessary actions to remove them from some of our most visited landing pages. We have removed them completely off of one of our most visited pages on the site, which you can see here: https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino. This page is our MOST IMPORTANT page and they were removed.

We have also been listening to community members and all casinos which were mentioned in our threads have received or will receive a written review from us. Some new reviews from your requests can be seen here:

- https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/777coin-casino-review/
- https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/bitsler-casino-review/
- https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/mintdice-review/

And we have loads more posted and in line to be posted.


We are by no means scammers and the fact that we have PARTNERED with some of the biggest software providers in the world, just proves that we are not scammers and are trusted by the biggest names in the space.


Now, finally: We have removed 1xBit from our most important page and will start decreasing the visibility of their platform gradually. We have answered every comment and concern and we are actively trying to build trust within this forum.

If you think that 1xBit is a scam, then DO NOT PLAY ON THEIR PLATFORM. We have a wide variety of casinos that you can choose from and if there is any casino that you like, I can put together a review for you and get a great promotion so we all end up winning

[hacker1001101001]

Now, finally: We have removed 1xBit from our most important page and will start decreasing the visibility of their platform gradually. We have answered every comment and concern and we are actively trying to build trust within this forum.

I am talking off my support from the flag on Bitcoin_chaser due to there active step and hope they act in users intrest further.

It's not that hard of an logic, if you recommend legimate exchanges you would attract legimate crowd. Good Luck !

[Bitcoin_chaser]

Now, finally: We have removed 1xBit from our most important page and will start decreasing the visibility of their platform gradually. We have answered every comment and concern and we are actively trying to build trust within this forum.

I am talking off my support from the flag on Bitcoin_chaser due to there active step and hope they act in users intrest further.

It's not that hard of an logic, if you recommend legimate exchanges you would attract legimate crowd. Good Luck !

Cheers! We plan to only promote legitimate brands and appreciate the concerns of the community so we can all prosper!

[actmyname]

We do care and have even removed them from the most visited webpage of our site. In terms of Bitstarz, where have you seen multiple reports on our threads regarding them being scammers? 1xBit accusations are all over our thread and we have addressed that.

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold your horses... your thread? Is that the only place you'll look for complaints regarding your sites? Did you even bother taking a simple search engine result for each of your sites? I have severe doubts for an affiliate site that doesn't have the decency to perform their own research before placing casinos on their front page.

Do a quick lookup of "bitstarz scam" for me. Cheers.

[Bitcoin_chaser]

We do care and have even removed them from the most visited webpage of our site. In terms of Bitstarz, where have you seen multiple reports on our threads regarding them being scammers? 1xBit accusations are all over our thread and we have addressed that.

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold your horses... your thread? Is that the only place you'll look for complaints regarding your sites? Did you even bother taking a simple search engine result for each of your sites? I have severe doubts for an affiliate site that doesn't have the decency to perform their own research before placing casinos on their front page.

Do a quick lookup of "bitstarz scam" for me. Cheers.

First of all, if you search any casino in the space that has been around longer than two years and add the word “scam” there is bound for something to come up.

Right now, we do not see the need to remove Bitstarz as they are one of the most well known casinos in the industry.

If more community members come out and state that they feel we should remove them, then we will certainly look into it.

[marlboroza]

Now, finally: We have removed 1xBit from our most important page

"We want to inform everyone that we lied about removing 1xBit from our most trusted casinos page..."

If you think that 1xBit is a scam, then DO NOT PLAY ON THEIR PLATFORM.

"...and we will continue to shill for 1xBit scam..."

Conclusion

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"...because we don't give a fuck about bunch of unresolved scam accusations."
Flag supported.

[efialtis]

Hello everyone,

It is very unfortunate to see this thread come up. We have tried to address all concerns regarding 1xBit and we have even taken necessary actions to remove them from some of our most visited landing pages. We have removed them completely off of one of our most visited pages on the site, which you can see here: https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino. This page is our MOST IMPORTANT page and they were removed.

We have also been listening to community members and all casinos which were mentioned in our threads have received or will receive a written review from us. Some new reviews from your requests can be seen here:

- https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/777coin-casino-review/
- https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/bitsler-casino-review/
- https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/mintdice-review/

And we have loads more posted and in line to be posted.


We are by no means scammers and the fact that we have PARTNERED with some of the biggest software providers in the world, just proves that we are not scammers and are trusted by the biggest names in the space.


Now, finally: We have removed 1xBit from our most important page and will start decreasing the visibility of their platform gradually. We have answered every comment and concern and we are actively trying to build trust within this forum.

If you think that 1xBit is a scam, then DO NOT PLAY ON THEIR PLATFORM. We have a wide variety of casinos that you can choose from and if there is any casino that you like, I can put together a review for you and get a great promotion so we all end up winning

You have got to be kidding?!??! Fakin 1xbit and bitstarz are still being presented on your very homepage, wtf is wrong with you?! Oh and wtf is that "on our most important pages?!" - for one, homepage is an important page obviously but even more important - you either promote a scammer or you dont! And the argument "dont play there if you think they are scammers... priceless! You are even worse than I thought and I am glad I created the flag and its being supported.

[actmyname]

First of all, if you search any casino in the space that has been around longer than two years and add the word “scam” there is bound for something to come up.

This point is completely irrelevant. Have you actually taken a look at the reports, or do you simply dismiss them as indignant losers?

Right now, we do not see the need to remove Bitstarz as they are one of the most well known casinos in the industry.

[Trust page] aside, it seems incredibly dangerous to simply associate well-known sites with trustworthy sites. The idea that "they wouldn't possibly scam others" is precisely why you'll see large sites do exactly that. Consider: if you are able to pocket free money, given that any retaliation will result in an overwhelming majority of users defending your side, isn't that just the simplest decision to make?

If more community members come out and state that they feel we should remove them, then we will certainly look into it.

Here's the thread that the flag upon the bitstars.net directs to.

[Bitcoin_chaser]

First of all, if you search any casino in the space that has been around longer than two years and add the word “scam” there is bound for something to come up.

This point is completely irrelevant. Have you actually taken a look at the reports, or do you simply dismiss them as indignant losers?

Right now, we do not see the need to remove Bitstarz as they are one of the most well known casinos in the industry.

[Trust page] aside, it seems incredibly dangerous to simply associate well-known sites with trustworthy sites. The idea that "they wouldn't possibly scam others" is precisely why you'll see large sites do exactly that. Consider: if you are able to pocket free money, given that any retaliation will result in an overwhelming majority of users defending your side, isn't that just the simplest decision to make?

If more community members come out and state that they feel we should remove them, then we will certainly look into it.

Here's the thread that the flag upon the bitstars.net directs to.

In terms of Bitstarz, they are winners of the following rewards:

- Best casino 2017 by Ask Gamblers
- Players choice of 2018 by Ask Gamblers
- Best affiliate manager 2020 by Ask Gamblers

Ask Gamblers is one of the most trusted affiliate sites in the industry. These awards are real.

[efialtis]

The guys behind Bitcoin Chaser are indeed completely unteachable...

Not only are they (of course) still promoting 1xSHIT - they have just started promoting WixiPlay, too... In case you didnt know, WixiPlay´s games are rigged and definitely not provably fair - there is lots of proof for that here on bitcointalk and of course, the WixiPlay guy disappeared in the end. No problem though, Bitcoin Chaser is here to promote every scammer out there!

WixiPlay Casino Review

With a decent list of straightforward and simple games that run on a provably fair and NONCE system, WixiPlay prides themselves on providing fair and straightforward gambling for their users. This casino has faced a few complaints surrounding withdrawals and trustworthiness but read here and decide what you think for yourself: https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/wixiplay-casino-review/?utm_source=forums&utm_campaign=wifi

What are your thoughts on WixiPlay?

*This is not a paid review*

[efialtis]

Guess what - Mid May and 1xShit still being promoted even on Homepage as a "Top Bitcoin Casino".

Bitcoin Chaser: You have proven before that you can't be taken seriously but by now - thanks for that btw! - you have confirmed that you are the perfect example of how to not run a gambling affiliate site that claims to be independent and can be trusted.

[Bitcoin_chaser]

A warm hello to the BitcoinTalk participants!

As of this year, I have taken over, the BitcoinChaser social media pages. Usually, I'm rather clued up when it comes to posting on social media platforms, however, I must admit BitcoinTalk is different, to say the least.  

Until recently I have not been able to understand why the trust rating of the BitcoinChaser profile within this forum is so low. Of course, I stumbled upon this thread created by the user @efialtis. It not only saddens me to see this but I'm also confused at the very same time. @efiatis has stated that they are an affiliate manager and work with many casino brands under the site https://www.btcgosu.com/. At the time of this writing the homepage of the website displays 3 casino ratings 1.) BC.Game 2.) Stake 3.) Wolf.bet. If you compare the rating of these casinos to our ratings of the very same casinos, you will come to notice that the ratings are rather similar.

I find it extremely unfair to have a user decimate our trust rating simply because they believe a single casino is a scam, which has been the main point of our flag. Additionally, the argument held within the thread does not hold many stances.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234101.msg54061000#msg54061000

By using the same logic stated in the thread that hurt our trust rating so badly, "google search 1xbit scam" you could find “scam reports" of any online casino. I wish to prove this by asking you to search "Stake casino scam". Of course, there will be individuals who have felt they have been unfairly treated after losing money. However, you can't really believe Stake is a scam and even if so the user that has flagged us can be accused of the very same actions.

Please understand, that I wish no quarrel with any user on this forum. I simply ask to be treated fairly and have our trust rating fit the reputation our website actually lives up to. Please support BitcoinChaser by opposing the appeal made by the user @efialtis. In fairness to the opposing view, it was a long time ago and our internal company dynamics have changed a lot so we hope that they can relook at the flag. This will help our trust rating reach the level it deserves.

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Please understand, that I wish no quarrel with any user on this forum. I simply ask to be treated fairly and have our trust rating fit the reputation our website actually lives up to. Please support BitcoinChaser by opposing the appeal made by the user @efialtis. In fairness to the opposing view, it was a long time ago and our internal company dynamics have changed a lot so we hope that they can relook at the flag. This will help our trust rating reach the level it deserves.

if you feel that the current feedback in your profile is incorrect, then it's better to present all the reasons that can dissuade us.
Don't attach yourself or compare yourself to others, just explain your case and what you changed so now you consider yourself acceptable and reliable.
I am curious, why did you wait over two years to start worrying about your reputation here?

[logfiles]

Until recently I have not been able to understand why the trust rating of the BitcoinChaser profile within this forum is so low. Of course, I stumbled upon this thread created by the user @efialtis. It not only saddens me to see this but I'm also confused at the very same time. @efiatis has stated that they are an affiliate manager and work with many casino brands under the site https://www.btcgosu.com/. At the time of this writing the homepage of the website displays 3 casino ratings 1.) BC.Game 2.) Stake 3.) Wolf.bet. If you compare the rating of these casinos to our ratings of the very same casinos, you will come to notice that the ratings are rather similar.

The casinos on the home page are trusted and not scam like the ones you are trying to promote. If I recall well, Efialtis is also always actively reviewing the list whenever issues about a casino come up. But for you, you don't care. All you care about it that 1xbit blood money.

I find it extremely unfair to have a user decimate our trust rating simply because they believe a single casino is a scam, which has been the main point of our flag. Additionally, the argument held within the thread does not hold many stances.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234101.msg54061000#msg54061000
What is unfair is you actively promoting scam casino. Nobody should ever trust a site that promotes scam

Your review site has a whooping 12 articles about 1xbit  
What the fuck is wrong with you?

By using the same logic stated in the thread that hurt our trust rating so badly, "google search 1xbit scam" you could find “scam reports" of any online casino. I wish to prove this by asking you to search "Stake casino scam". Of course, there will be individuals who have felt they have been unfairly treated after losing money. However, you can't really believe Stake is a scam and even if so the user that has flagged us can be accused of the very same actions.

Your reasoning is flawed.
How do you even start comparing stake.com to 1xbit?

I have seen a few complaints regarding stake.com in this forum and they do get resolved. For 1xbit.com. it's a totally different thing.

[FatFork]

In fairness to the opposing view, it was a long time ago and our internal company dynamics have changed a lot so we hope that they can relook at the flag. This will help our trust rating reach the level it deserves.

Really? And a five-star rating? Based on what exactly?
This is obviously not based on any research, and you are simply listing casinos for referral fees. This is a totally different approach from BTCGOSU, so I don't even think it makes sense to compare your site to theirs.

Yes, this will definitely help your trust rating reach the level it deserves. As far as I can see, the flag is still valid so I support it.

[Crypt0S0ul]

SNIP

After two years of thinking, You found this excuse only? And you come up here without removing 1xbet from your website and expecting Something better about your flag? Well, Something better will happen, but I don't think it's better for you. It will be worst for you. I don't think you care about your reputation at all. We have seen thousands of scam accusations against 1xBet so far. Now here you trying to compare with others. You just bumped this thread to get more negative tags and Flag support—poor Bitcoin Chaser management.