Looks like vaccines caused this partial world wide COVID-19 / Coronavirus mess

[ramzifcb47]

Too bad there is no vaccine or cure for conspiratardism.

Word on the street here in the USA

Get off the street and stay home.

I used to think anti vaxers were morons.

But if the flu has two strains a or b. why doesn't two shots a year stop the flu?

Why do we need new flu shots over and over and over?

Now i get some shots. But I won’t get flu shots as year after year flu shots don’t do a good job.

I also know of a set of twins that were given a five vax shot that fried the boy’s brain 🧠 and made the girl really sick she needed a year to recover. The boy will have life long brain damage.

I do have a problem about the five vax shot.  which vax fucked the kids up.
1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5.

if they had five shots two weeks apart.  even if one of the five fucked them up just as bad we would have a stat that says shot 3 fucks way too many up.
 

Ah hello did you know that the flu (or the virus causing it) mutate and changes every year ? so the vaccine you took last year isnt gonna help with this year's virus, biology 101 comon!


And for OP, your post is SO scientifically innacurate because there are no studies that shows that getting vaccinated increases your chance of catching the flu (or any other virus in this manner) so you may want to support your claim with some studies (if you could find any) otherwise it wont be taken seriously.
On the other hand tho vaccines are a very powerful tool that humanity has against viruses it helped eliminating many viruses which were deadly in the past, i suggest you read more about it here:  https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17588074/vaccines-diseases-wiped-out

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[tvbcof]

And for OP, your post is SO scientifically innacurate because there are no studies that shows that getting vaccinated increases your chance of catching the flu (or any other virus in this manner) so you may want to support your claim with some studies (if you could find any) otherwise it wont be taken seriously.
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And those that do (e.g., like in the 2nd post of this thread) are invalid because they show some issues and since we know that vaccines are don't have any issues we also know that such studies are invalid.  Thus, they don't exist.

[ramzifcb47]

And for OP, your post is SO scientifically innacurate because there are no studies that shows that getting vaccinated increases your chance of catching the flu (or any other virus in this manner) so you may want to support your claim with some studies (if you could find any) otherwise it wont be taken seriously.
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And those that do (e.g., like in the 2nd post of this thread) are invalid because they show some issues and since we know that vaccines are don't have any issues we also know that such studies are invalid.  Thus, they don't exist.

the sutdy u showed is not related to what OP is saying, he claimed that vaccines somehow make people more vulnerable  to the novel coronavirus (which is just a wild claim without proofs) and you are talking about some vaccines trials that went wrong (it does happen sometimes), so i cant see how this prove that vaccines are dangerous and must be stopped.

[Mad7Scientist]

And for OP, your post is SO scientifically innacurate because there are no studies that shows that getting vaccinated increases your chance of catching the flu (or any other virus in this manner) so you may want to support your claim with some studies (if you could find any) otherwise it wont be taken seriously.

There won't be any studies released soon enough to help people who are facing a pandemic right now.

Anyway, do you know of any viruses that have an incubation period that varies from 3 days to 14 days? I'd like to exclude previous SARS coronaviruses since that's really the same thing as this.

edit: I found another one with very wide incubation period. It's Ebola, which is primarily seen in Africa. It is fairly recent, only being discovered in the mid 70s. But the most serious outbreak of Ebola didn't happen until fairly recently. Since it's so recent, I can't really rule out that vaccines may affect how harmful Ebola is.

[tvbcof]

And for OP, your post is SO scientifically innacurate because there are no studies that shows that getting vaccinated increases your chance of catching the flu (or any other virus in this manner) so you may want to support your claim with some studies (if you could find any) otherwise it wont be taken seriously.
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And those that do (e.g., like in the 2nd post of this thread) are invalid because they show some issues and since we know that vaccines are don't have any issues we also know that such studies are invalid.  Thus, they don't exist.

the sutdy u showed is not related to what OP is saying, he claimed that vaccines somehow make people more vulnerable  to the novel coronavirus (which is just a wild claim without proofs) and you are talking about some vaccines trials that went wrong (it does happen sometimes), so i cant see how this prove that vaccines are dangerous and must be stopped.

I even quoted where they said 'no vaccine interference...except in the two cases where there was.'  Weasely of them, but they had to put it that way or get called out because statistics are statistics and they'd get called out for flat-out lying.  Or I should say, being careful to hide the the truth by 'averaging' their findings since they favored the 'short version' in several other places.

One of these two instances of statistically relevant interference was coronavirus.  At that time 'coronavirus' was in the worst case a few sniffles.

Actually I suspect that at the time of the study (post Ft. Detrich being closed) coronavirus was already more than that in the U.S. (and Northern Italy), but this little factoid was only known to a either a few of the people who did the study, or their bosses who order the study.

[ramzifcb47]

And for OP, your post is SO scientifically innacurate because there are no studies that shows that getting vaccinated increases your chance of catching the flu (or any other virus in this manner) so you may want to support your claim with some studies (if you could find any) otherwise it wont be taken seriously.

There won't be any studies released soon enough to help people who are facing a pandemic right now.

Anyway, do you know of any viruses that have an incubation period that varies from 3 days to 14 days? I'd like to exclude previous SARS coronaviruses since that's really the same thing as this.

i think the main reason why the incubation period has a long range is because the virus is pretty new and not much is known about it. i believe that as time goes on and scientists know more about the virus they can shorten that range

[tvbcof]

i think the main reason why the incubation period has a long range is because the virus is pretty new and not much is known about it. i believe that as time goes on and scientists know more about the virus they can shorten that range

Lol.  You believe that this is a designer virus, eh?

I happen to agree and suspect that there are a selection of variants of coronavirus each with different 'gain of function' parameters all set up to go into production.

Since labs post job descriptions for people who have experience modifying bat coronaviruses, I think Occam's razor suggests that laboratories engage in modifying bat viruses.

[Meowth05]

The reason why vaccines and flu shots are ineffective is because the pandemic is different than the flu shot that is given. Plus, if you think about it most of the old people who died have underlying symptoms that caused their deaths.

[tvbcof]

The reason why vaccines and flu shots are ineffective is because the pandemic is different than the flu shot that is given. Plus, if you think about it most of the old people who died have underlying symptoms that caused their deaths.

Nobody said that the flu (influenza) shot was good for stopping coronavirus (one form of the common cold.)  Two completely different things.  The question is whether the flu shot might make one more susceptible to being infected by coronavirus.

As I recall, back when Italy had around 3200 fatalities from 'coronavirus', there were only 3 where the patient had ONLY coronavirus.

Coronavirus and influenza (and many other such viruses) are almost never fatal in and of themselves, but they upset the physiology of the body and make it more susceptible to other more serious problems.  Bacterial pneumonia is one of the biggies.  This makes it super easy to play games with the figures.

[ramzifcb47]

i think the main reason why the incubation period has a long range is because the virus is pretty new and not much is known about it. i believe that as time goes on and scientists know more about the virus they can shorten that range

Lol.  You believe that this is a designer virus, eh?

I happen to agree and suspect that there are a selection of variants of coronavirus each with different 'gain of function' parameters all set up to go into production.

Since labs post job descriptions for people who have experience modifying bat coronaviruses, I think Occam's razor suggests that laboratories engage in modifying bat viruses.

If there are no evidence showing otherwise well then yes i do.
scientists in china back in january cracked the virus genom code and based on their review it's not a man made virus. (natural evolution)

[Subbir]

i think the main reason why the incubation period has a long range is because the virus is pretty new and not much is known about it. i believe that as time goes on and scientists know more about the virus they can shorten that range

Lol.  You believe that this is a designer virus, eh?

I happen to agree and suspect that there are a selection of variants of coronavirus each with different 'gain of function' parameters all set up to go into production.

Since labs post job descriptions for people who have experience modifying bat coronaviruses, I think Occam's razor suggests that laboratories engage in modifying bat viruses.

If there are no evidence showing otherwise well then yes i do.
scientists in china back in january cracked the virus genom code and based on their review it's not a man made virus. (natural evolution)

I accept as true with you I also heard that this is often a natural cause. this is often God's wrath. No disease caused by humans People haven't yet been ready to provide any resistance thereto Everyone has given up and now the sole trust is in Allah. No one could make a vaccine.

[Mad7Scientist]

In other words, there is no pandemic at all, but news is edited so well worldwide by the NSA AI, that people think there is a dreadful pandemic. And this post will wind up looking like something entirely different to you and various viewers than what it looks like I posted to me.

What if? Is this even possible?

So like what if they do things like hide posts on discussion forums so that people only see one side of the discussion? You have to connect to the Internet anonymously after posting to make sure that your post is being seen by other people, or at least those who connect anonymously.

[tvbcof]

In other words, there is no pandemic at all, but news is edited so well worldwide by the NSA AI, that people think there is a dreadful pandemic. And this post will wind up looking like something entirely different to you and various viewers than what it looks like I posted to me.

What if? Is this even possible?

So like what if they do things like hide posts on discussion forums so that people only see one side of the discussion? You have to connect to the Internet anonymously after posting to make sure that your post is being seen by other people, or at least those who connect anonymously.

I call extra attention to this because THIS is a 'shadow ban'.  Having one's posts removed is NOT a so-called 'shadow ban'.  That is simply one of the many increasingly common methods of plain old censorship.

I feel compelled to point this out because a lot of people are crying about being 'shadow-banned' when in reality they were just plain censored.  They don't know the meaning of the term.

I have worked in Silicon Valley and at least very near the 'social media' sector in various jobs.  More than that, I have had a strong interest in methods of manipulation and control having been involved in the internet since the mid 1990's.  Things which would be unthinkable even a decade ago are no so commonplace that people think they are 'appropriate.'

I don't remember exactly when I noticed myself being genuinely 'shadow-banned' (and realized that it was more than a 'bug') but it had to have been at least a few years before 2016 and well before the word 'shadow-ban' had come into widespread use.  As the poster indicates, the system knows one as an individual and tries to trick them, so one has to achieve a reasonable level of anonymity to notice that one's posts are only visible to oneself.

Again, now that the cat is out of the bag it doesn't matter much because the likes of Jewtube are, in a lot of people's minds, doing society a favor by tamping down on 'hate', saving us from 'fake news', or whatever.  They'll be asked to continue trying to manipulate society 'for the good of the greater collective.'

(Just FWIW, I'll feel free to refer to youtube as 'Jewtube' ONLY because they retain the services of the ADL which is a proud ethnic supremacist organization,  And I do 'hate' ethic supremacy in many of it's forms since I find it distasteful and dangerous.)

[Mad7Scientist]

I call extra attention to this because THIS is a 'shadow ban'.
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I don't remember exactly when I noticed myself being genuinely 'shadow-banned' (and realized that it was more than a 'bug') but it had to have been at least a few years before 2016 and well before the word 'shadow-ban' had come into widespread use. 

They did this to me on the Craigslist discussion forums. My post would show up, but then it would never be officially submitted and after I reconnected it would disappear again. They were really trying to push Windows 10 over there, and anyone who said things about Windows XP actually being secretly still supported or talking about operating systems that can be used on older hardware would get censored.

[Mad7Scientist]

Vaccines are still an issue! Bill Gates and those who follow his agenda are still putting everyone on lockdown, because they don't want to reveal that only some of the vaccinated population is at risk, and to everyone else it's nothing more than a mild cold.

Africa still has a low number of cases.

This test that they're giving detects all coronaviruses. It does not test for the SARS2 Coronavirus. The test doesn't do much good unless you test negative. Positive just means we don't know!

[Mad7Scientist]

I posted this in the thread about COVID-19 being racist because it affects black people more (not in Africa though), but it really belongs here.

Perhaps certain vaccines were shipped to the black communities, and this caused people to become diabetic and at the same time lose immunity to the SARS2 Coronavirus.

It's easy to confuse the cause and the result of something. Do motorcycle helmets reduce deaths by half? Or do riders who volunteer to wear helmits tend more safety conscious riders who don't get in to accidents as much, and are less likely to die whether or not they wear a helmet?

So instead of people with diabetes being susceptible to the SARS2 coronavirus, perhaps those who are susceptible to the SARS2 virus also tend to have diabetes? Or really both conditions are actually caused by a 3rd thing, a vaccine that may have been given over 20 years ago. It's been mentioned many times that many of the deaths in Italy were older people who had preexisting conditions, especially diabetes.

There is even a study linking the Hepatitis B vaccine to type I Diabetes:
https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20000613/hepatitis-b-vaccine-linked-to-onset-of-diabetes#1

June 13, 2000 (San Antonio) -- Faced with an ever-growing list of required and recommended vaccinations for children -- as well as occasional reports of safety problems linked to vaccines -- many parents understandably feel confused. No doubt adding to that confusion are reports that the vaccine against hepatitis B, a blood-borne illness that can cause liver cancer, may actually lead to the development of type 1 diabetes in children.

Type 1 diabetes is the form where the body doesn?t make the insulin it needs. An Italian study presented here at the annual meeting of the American Diabetes Association suggests that children who get the hepatitis B vaccine are at greater risk for developing type 1 disease than those who have never been vaccinated. On the basis of their research, Paolo Pozzilli, MD, and colleagues say doctors should exercise caution in giving the vaccine to children who have close relatives with type 1 diabetes.

But because type 1 diabetes is relatively rare in the overall population, thorough studies involving several hundred thousand participants are needed to prove a solid link, says Marion Rewers, MD, who was not involved in the study. So the jury is still out, he says.
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"The possibility of a link between hepatitis B vaccine [and type 1 diabetes] is an interesting research area and has been recognized as such by a number of investigators across the world," he tells WebMD. He says that at two recent meetings, researchers "were in unanimous agreement that there was no association. We need a monitoring system, so that if an association is found in the future, it can be promptly identified." Rewers, a pediatric endocrinologist, is a professor of pediatrics and preventive medicine at the University of Colorado in Denver and chair of the ADA council on epidemiology and statistics.

The CDC recommends that the hepatitis B vaccine be a part of routine vaccination schedules for U.S. infants.

The hepatitis B vaccine is now required in Italy, says Pozzilli, a professor of pediatrics at the University of Rome. Further, there is a low, relatively stable rate of type 1 diabetes there. These conditions allowed the researchers to compare the rate of diabetes in vaccinated children with that in unvaccinated groups.

June 13, 2000 (San Antonio) -- Faced with an ever-growing list of required and recommended vaccinations for children -- as well as occasional reports of safety problems linked to vaccines -- many parents understandably feel confused. No doubt adding to that confusion are reports that the vaccine against hepatitis B, a blood-borne illness that can cause liver cancer, may actually lead to the development of type 1 diabetes in children.

Type 1 diabetes is the form where the body doesn?t make the insulin it needs. An Italian study presented here at the annual meeting of the American Diabetes Association suggests that children who get the hepatitis B vaccine are at greater risk for developing type 1 disease than those who have never been vaccinated. On the basis of their research, Paolo Pozzilli, MD, and colleagues say doctors should exercise caution in giving the vaccine to children who have close relatives with type 1 diabetes.

But because type 1 diabetes is relatively rare in the overall population, thorough studies involving several hundred thousand participants are needed to prove a solid link, says Marion Rewers, MD, who was not involved in the study. So the jury is still out, he says.
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"The possibility of a link between hepatitis B vaccine [and type 1 diabetes] is an interesting research area and has been recognized as such by a number of investigators across the world," he tells WebMD. He says that at two recent meetings, researchers "were in unanimous agreement that there was no association. We need a monitoring system, so that if an association is found in the future, it can be promptly identified." Rewers, a pediatric endocrinologist, is a professor of pediatrics and preventive medicine at the University of Colorado in Denver and chair of the ADA council on epidemiology and statistics.

The CDC recommends that the hepatitis B vaccine be a part of routine vaccination schedules for U.S. infants.

The hepatitis B vaccine is now required in Italy, says Pozzilli, a professor of pediatrics at the University of Rome. Further, there is a low, relatively stable rate of type 1 diabetes there. These conditions allowed the researchers to compare the rate of diabetes in vaccinated children with that in unvaccinated groups.

Investigators compared 150,000 children who had been vaccinated at age 3 months to an equal number of unvaccinated children. To assess the risk of developing type 1 diabetes in children who got the vaccine later, after vaccination became mandatory in Italy, 400,000 children who were vaccinated at age 12 were compared with children who had not been vaccinated.

In the group as a whole, the rates of type 1 diabetes were 46 per 100,000 for children who had been vaccinated and 34 per 100,000 for children who had not. For those vaccinated at age 12, the rates were 17.8 per 100,000 for vaccinated children and 6.9 per 100,000 for unvaccinated children.

Although these may seem like large groups to study, they are not big enough for scientists to see clear patterns for type 1 diabetes, Rewers says. For a study like this to have value, the database should involve as many as 250,000 people in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, he says.
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"Caution is necessary when the potential of vaccine-related risks is studied," Rewers tells WebMD. "Without sound supportive data, [parents] can become unduly alarmed and stop immunizing their children." When immunization rates drop, diseases that can cause serious illness -- and death -- return, he tells WebMD.

The National Institutes of Health and the CDC are jointly establishing a system known as "sentinel monitoring areas," Rewers tells WebMD. The agencies will track the rate of type 1 diabetes in these areas -- consisting of selected counties in the U.S. -- and will determine whether the rate is related to things like immunizations, recommended infant feeding schedules, and outbreaks of infection.

Rewers has not been involved with the development of any vaccine and has no ties to any company that manufactures vaccines.

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[iamsheikhadil]

I am very much pro-vaccine but I never knew the condition of vaccines and how it's provided in the USA. When I was a child, I had 4 years of vaccines; 1 vaccine each in 1 year for four years. And I believe vaccines are as scientific as light glowing on switching on. But the situation as I see in the thread regarding vaccines is strange. Getting 2 shots of vaccine every year? That's ridiculous. There's a fine line between healthy living and artificially excessive healthy living. Too much vaccines can cause real issues with side effects.

[BADecker]

It's about time that somebody noticed that Covid-19 is way more active in people who have had the flu vaccine!


New Study: The Flu Vaccine Is "Significantly Associated" With An Increased Risk of Coronav

During the discussion, Anderson encouraged the audience to get a flu shot, suggesting that it may help with the coronavirus. Is this true?

Greg. G Wolff, an Epidemiologist with the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Branch recently published a study in the Journal Vaccine titled,  Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017–2018 influenza season. The study examined virus interference in a Department of Defense population, this refers to the increased risk of other respiratory viruses as a result of, in this case, the influenza vaccine. The study found that virus interference varied among vaccinated individuals for individual respiratory viruses, and found that for coronavirus in particular, in this study, those who had been vaccinated with the flu vaccine had a 36 percent higher risk  of contracting it

The study compared the vaccination status of more than two thousand people with non-influenza respiratory viruses to more than three thousand people with pan-negative results. The vaccination status of more than three thousand cases of influenza were compared to three different control groups, and appropriate adjustments were made.

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So, it’s important to mention that other studies have found no association between the flu vaccine and an increased risk for other respiratory viruses, but when looking specifically at coronavirus, Wolff’s study found that “Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.”

[BADecker]

Watch President Trump's "round" table talk with doctors and researchers in the know. They suggest that the figures for vaccines show, that 90% of the people become more sick with the vaccines we have so far. The rest of the video is wonderful and eye-opening, as well.

ICAN VS CDC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJUjnY_FGNQ

[Subbir]

The video is basically funny but this type of problem is occurring thanks to not getting enough vaccines most of the research doctors fail That's why everything seems to be messing up. However there's no vaccine for the virus worldwide but many countries have returned to normal Although the virus isn't completely controlled the amount of infections is far less than before that's why we've to take care until we are completely right.