Suggestion: allow on-forum altcoin giveaways for established altcoins

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Allowing one altcoin giveaway to be discussed here and denying another doesn’t seem to fit with free speech.

I think that's an issue of fairness more so than free speech, but whatever.  There are always going to be problems when you allow some people to do something and ban others from doing the same thing, and in general it's not good to run things that way.

I'd say the rule might need a looking at, at the very least.  On the one hand, I would expect senior members to know the rule about giveaways being banned and the consequences for breaking it, but on the other I don't see what the big deal is--and if it were my call I probably wouldn't punish the members who participate in them and instead would ban the promoters.  I sort of felt bad for those members whose names I recognized when they got temp-banned, as this is a lousy time to not be able to post on bitcointalk.  As I also said, though, those members ought to have known better.

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[Chlotide]

Don't fix if it ain't broken !
One could make an altcoin giveaway thread without getting banned:

• Announce it here and ask users to post username on telegram, website ,etc
• Ask users to send PM for participation
• Use the Private giveaway feature (I guess it should work for altcoins too, not sure tho)

Don't think there is any need for more features or rule bending for this.
As long as there is no "Post username and address in this thread" I doubt anyone would have a problem with the thread, regardless how shitty the shitcoin is.
So what if we are talking about ETH, LTC, DODGE, XRP, BCH or some new fresh out of the oven, premined, closed source, inflationary, AI developed shitcoin ? Do you miss that much "[USERNAME] [SHT COIN ADDRESS]...." kind of post ?

I understand some got banned because of a giveaway, but where are you going with this ? Make mods pick between coins ... why ?? Didn't see anyone complain before this 7 day ban that got cut short.

[marlboroza]

We do not suggest them to go to an altcoin forum or we ask them to go to altcoin marketplace? We need to embrace crypto projects, don't we?

Not any crypto project, you are supposed to shill for bitcoin here, in real life, everywhere. Learn to use "it's shitcoin, stick to bitcoin" in regular speech like any other bitcoiner do
@LoyceV what do you mean by established shitcoins? Top 10 CMC:

2) ethereum - shitcoin for smart scams
3) XRP - bank shitcoin
4) Tether -  
5) Bitcoin Cash - Roger said it is trash  
6) Bitcoin scam vision - faketoshi's scam
7) Litecoin - copy
8 ) EOS - centralized garbage
9) BNB - (insert any other exchange I want to make monez) shitcoin
10) tezos - another smart contract shitcoin

IOTA.

Money with kill switch  

Speaking from a market cap - security perspective, it is as much of a scam like anything else. I like Dogecoin, but this is a fact. The answer is no.

Much wow, such coin. Meme coin. Only doge giveaway should be allowed here.

[AB de Royse777]

2) ethereum - shitcoin for smart scams
3) XRP - bank shitcoin
4) Tether -  
5) Bitcoin Cash - Roger said it is trash  
6) Bitcoin scam vision - faketoshi's scam
7) Litecoin - copy
8 ) EOS - centralized garbage
9) BNB - (insert any other exchange I want to make monez) shitcoin
10) tezos - another smart contract shitcoin

Not sure how long it took you to come up with all these interpretation but you nailed them :-D

Not any crypto project, you are supposed to shill for bitcoin here, in real life, everywhere. Learn to use "it's shitcoin, stick to bitcoin" in regular speech like any other bitcoiner do

I think I am one of those bitcoiners too although I have some "shitcoin for smart scams" and the only reason to buy them was the massive price decline against BTC. I am still waiting for the price to spike at least 100% so that I can double my bitcoin.

[marlboroza]

Not sure how long it took you to come up with all these interpretation but you nailed them :-D

Heeey, I have read this topic, opened CMC and wrote everything straight out of my head. It probably took me 3 minutes or so. I don't know, me and my friends are having lots of discussions in RL about crypto and they all end with me saying "stick to bitcoin monkeys". Lets just say that I read more than I post...

I think I am one of those bitcoiners too although I have some "shitcoin for smart scams" and the only reason to buy them was the massive price decline against BTC. I am still waiting for the price to spike at least 100% so that I can double my bitcoin.

See? It's all about bitcoin.

[AB de Royse777]

Heeey, I have read this topic, opened CMC and wrote everything straight out of my head. It probably took me 3 minutes or so. I don't know, me and my friends are having lots of discussions in RL about crypto and they all end with me saying "stick to bitcoin monkeys". Lets just say that I read more than I post...

You deserve more merit and you got it :-P
And you are lucky to have friends around you in RL who are also bitcoin lovers. My mates sucks LOL

See? It's all about bitcoin.

No question :-D

[1miau]

Honestly, I don't like most shitcoins and the fact that Tron was used as a coin there made me step away from that giveaway - but on the other hand I don't see a valid reason to ban altcoin giveaways. Finally, rules are there to serve the community and not to ban dozens of good users, so I like the idea to have a discussion how to prevent such cases in the future like the one we had recently.

Possible solutions:

1. Altcoin giveaways offered by services (mixers, casinos etc.) posted in Games and Rounds
2. Altcoin giveaways offered by altcoin devs posted in Altcoins Marketplace / Bounties
3. Requirement: at least Member Rank / Copper Member to launch giveaways (to have something at stake if they are abusing it for fake-giveaways (announcing and not paying; solely for creating buzz) or outright scam coins.

Personally, I wouldn't make a difference, if it's a new coin or an established one; I think it's somehow also a good thing for the forum to be considered as important by (legit) altcoin developers, like Monero and Dogecoin did. I like it to keep Bitcointalk as an important part in the crypto ecosystem and (at best) every altcoin should at least announce his new coin here and maintain their thread for a while. The more they get involved here, the better for Bitcointalk as a whole.
And regarding the spam: yes, there will always be spam, to prevent it as good as possible => 3. Requirement: at least Member Rank / Copper Member to launch giveaways

[hd49728]

The answer for it should be NO, to avoid any kind of attacks to the admin and the forum.

Altcoins, themselves, are very volatile, more volatile than Bitcoin. Their intrinsic values are difficult to identify and it is always a sort of challenge for investors. Allowing altcoin giveways here will cause many potential risks on the forum (its reputation, drama, more workloads on the staffs and admins).

Compare some established altcoins with their today values to their values at all time high circa late of 2017 and early of 2018. Most of them have still been lost around 90% from their all time high values. Many generations of investors call them as scam, no matter how established they are. Established altcoin, itself, is another controverasy stuff.

1. Altcoin giveaways offered by services (mixers, casinos etc.) posted in Games and Rounds
2. Altcoin giveaways offered by altcoin devs posted in Altcoins Marketplace / Bounties

There were many bounties or campaigns in the past, shadily run beyond the forum (from Discord, Telegram, etc.) and require participants to make posts in their ANN threads. It is a pain in the ass to find them. The forum should better restrict them all at the start to keep the forum as clean as possible. Any resources (time, human) should be used more efficiently and prevention is better than cure.

[pooya87]

it has to be allowed/banned for all, this is not something they can be picky about or they will end up pissing a lot of users off. lets say i like an altcoin that doesn't make the "list" or the opposite, maybe i hate an altcoin which i know is a shitcoin but makes the "list" to get the "stamp of approval". in both cases i would be furious for the bad decision.

which is why i say if you are to change the rules, change it for all altcoins equally. maybe create a new board for "giveaways" and don't let them put any incentives such as "bump our topic" to receive the giveaway. the board could have same rules similar to some other boards without showing signatures or counting posts.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

This is a bitcoin forum we say yet altcoins are the major reason the forum is still very active and been considered one of the most relevant forum when you speak about cryptocurrency. Sure Satoshi made the forum all about bitcoin but I'm positive (anywhere he's) would be happy with the way the forum has grown out of been just a bitcoin discussion forum to accommodating other discussion like altcoins, politics etc. For we to achieve global adoption, bitcoin would need help, it can't do it alone.

Just imagine as a enthusiast that spend must of his online time on the forum and we didn't have the privilege to discuss or get updates on the recent Corona virus outbreak on the forum just because it was strictly a bitcoin discussion forum 👎. Things have changed and it's quite time some of the forum rules get reviewed. Some months back, the forum support Grin as a new payment option in the forum (which was a welcome development from my angle), let's stop the whole hate on altcoins for some second and think about their positive contributions to the industry so far. Atleast we have altcoins that are worth to be given the tagged "established" which aren't scam related per se. Lets work with those, ethereum is a perfect example.

[AB de Royse777]

Some months back, the forum support Grin as a new payment option in the forum (which was a welcome development from my angle)

I give you full marks for bringing this reference. No one had this in mind to use as a good reference so far in this topic. Thank you.

[Timelord2o67]

I think an on the record /public apology by the likes of mprep etc is warranted.

Although I am in favour of alt coin giveaways, many many coins over the years have struggled to gain traction simply because they couldn't give coins away as part of their promotion.

[pooya87]

many many coins over the years have struggled to gain traction simply because they couldn't give coins away as part of their promotion.

i disagree based on what i have seen so far. any coin that has ever struggled to gain any traction has been because they had nothing interesting or innovative to offer.
keep in mind that the long term survival and adoption growth should be the factor that you look at not the short term hype that is caused by these types of giveaways/promotions.

[UserU]

I think an on the record /public apology by the likes of mprep etc is warranted.

Although I am in favour of alt coin giveaways, many many coins over the years have struggled to gain traction simply because they couldn't give coins away as part of their promotion.

I reckon the core alts such as ETH, TRX and LTC should be fine, and not the ones piggybacking off their blockchains.

[Timelord2o67]

many many coins over the years have struggled to gain traction simply because they couldn't give coins away as part of their promotion.

i disagree based on what i have seen so far. any coin that has ever struggled to gain any traction has been because they had nothing interesting or innovative to offer.

I'm probably biased to just a handful of coins that seemed to have potential. In saying that I haven't lent my support to a coin for many years now and certainly no premanufactured tokens which goes against the grain of mining solo or collectively.

[Lauda]

I reckon the core alts such as ETH, TRX and LTC should be fine, and not the ones piggybacking off their blockchains.

ETH is a shitcoin, TRX is a scam. What the hell are you on about? Just because you are bagholding or buying into the lies of the Asian scammers[1], that does not make any of those projects less fraudulent.

@LoyceV what do you mean by established shitcoins? Top 10 CMC:

2) ethereum - shitcoin for smart scams
3) XRP - bank shitcoin
4) Tether - 
5) Bitcoin Cash - Roger said it is trash 
6) Bitcoin scam vision - faketoshi's scam
7) Litecoin - copy
8 ) EOS - centralized garbage
9) BNB - (insert any other exchange I want to make monez) shitcoin
10) tezos - another smart contract shitcoin

IOTA.

Money with kill switch 

Speaking from a market cap - security perspective, it is as much of a scam like anything else. I like Dogecoin, but this is a fact. The answer is no.

Much wow, such coin. Meme coin. Only doge giveaway should be allowed here.

Exactly. Mr. Switzerland's knowledge on these matters has always been rather minor, he knows it and I know it from our past. Time to lock this and move on.
[1] Before stupid people call racism, look who is behind TRX.

[UserU]

ETH is a shitcoin, TRX is a scam. What the hell are you on about? Just because you are bagholding or buying into the lies of the Asian scammers[1], that does not make any of those projects less fraudulent.

I ain't holding any of them, just Bitcoin.

Left the altcoin game a long time ago

[Lauda]

ETH is a shitcoin, TRX is a scam. What the hell are you on about? Just because you are bagholding or buying into the lies of the Asian scammers[1], that does not make any of those projects less fraudulent.

I ain't holding any of them, just Bitcoin.

Left the altcoin game a long time ago

Great. Then take this as a lesson (without an actual explanation) and do not suggest these things anymore so we can avoid other people from getting scammed!

[Pffrt]

It would be good to see that. Some days ago we have seen the massive temporary ban for that reason. However there may arguement arise too that which is established altcoin and which is not. For example, some gambling site has their own token/coin and gambler cam use that to play there. Would that be considered as established altcoin?

[Lauda]

Would that be considered as established altcoin?

There are maybe a maximum of 5 coins out of several thousand coins that you could consider anything worthwhile. The answer is no. Stop promoting scams and condoning people getting scammed by fraudulent market-cap nonsense.