Proof that Freebitco.in game is not provably fair.

[s0lidus]

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

It's not 50%-50%, but 47.5%-52.5% as other users have already mentioned, so basically, you haven't lost 12 times in a row due to scam or unfairness/whatever, but because of the high house edge, otherwise you would have won the last bet and covered a part your losses.

How is it possible to lose 12 or 13 times in less than 1 minute?

Random can be a bitch, each roll is a roll generated on its own and has nothing to do with previous rolls. It's not bullshit, but plain bad luck.


When you gamble, try to accept losses like this too. This topic should be locked as there is no valid proof to accuse a casino with a very good reputation when it comes to fairness.

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[RapTarX]

C'mon, man. It's quite possible to lose 13x at a row. you are over reacting in this. I have lost more than 13x even but I have won too. Would you say a word to freebitco.in or ask here anything if you win more than 13x at a row? However, you have no way to verify that it's legit or not. Better move on and try again, that's how people win more than 13x at a row.

[kryptqnick]

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

This is an unfortunate turn of events, but it doesn't prove that the website's cheating. To prove that it's not provably fair, I believe you'd have to point out a particular trick/weakness in the code that makes it possible. I mean, isn't the whole point of the provably fair mechanism is that you can check every bet to see if it was a truly random outcome? Have you even tried to do that, to check that provably fair thing? No matter how big a sample of data you take, there will be people saying that it's still a possibility, no matter how low, and they'd be right. But thousands of bets would mean a super-low possibility and thus higher suspicions, while I am sure many of us who played dice for a while faced this 10+ in a row situation.

[fmrmx1]

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

[s0lidus]

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Then you shouldn't be playing dice anywhere for money, because these streaks are very common.

The chances of getting such a streak again are quite large on sites with house edge of 5% or higher (it's even very common on sites with lower house edge), 'cause there is a huge range of numbers you can't win on when you place x2 bets (in this case you can't win when hitting numbers between 47.50 and 52.50). But again, you shouldn't falsely accuse casinos for being unfair, it will only make you look bad.

[20kevin20]

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

I have busted numerous times on many gambling websites, the one I used the most being PrimeDice. It's very common, welcome to gambling. Had you won 13x in a row, you wouldn't have posted a thread to praise them. I thought it's pretty obvious that casinos are made for their owners to earn money, not to lose it. So you're always going to be half a step behind the casino, but you do have a chance to step ahead if you're lucky enough.

In fact, I have busted after a streak of more than 20x losses. It's gambling. Kinda awkward to be sad that you've lost - it's part of the game, throw a bit of unluckiness dust on a session and there you go..

[beerlover]

Honestly bitcoin dice gambling has been around for probably around a decade now, satosidice was the first one and I do not remember when it first ever started but it must be getting close to a decade nowadays, or maybe one year away. With all of that in mind, can people still be shocked that they can lose too many times in a row? That happens when you gamble too much, you also win too many times in a row as well but in martingale you do not realize it all that much unfortunately.

Just realize already that in a long enough period of time people will lose too many times in a row that martingale is not a perfect idea, if it was everyone would do martingale and get rich and casinos would bankrupt, the only reason why casinos are still standing is the fact that eventually you will lose.

[Baoanhbmt]

People who gamble should know what the risk in gambling is.It's quite possible to lose 13x at a row. I don't know if freebitco.in is not provably fair or not because I don't play too much like other people. You are over reacting in this. you have no way to verify that it's legit or not. Better move on and try again, that's how people win more than 13x at a row.

[Juggy777]

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Then you shouldn't be playing dice anywhere for money, because these streaks are very common.

The chances of getting such a streak again are quite large on sites with house edge of 5% or higher (it's even very common on sites with lower house edge), 'cause there is a huge range of numbers you can't win on when you place x2 bets (in this case you can't win when hitting numbers between 47.50 and 52.50). But again, you shouldn't falsely accuse casinos for being unfair, it will only make you look bad.

I’m not sure who you’re calling bots or paid persons as I can clearly see many legendary members, and other high ranking members have tried and explained to you but you seem hell bent on not understanding their views. I hope this line will help you verify and prove why others are right:

TIP: Click the icon at the left of each individual roll to audit your balance before and after each roll to ensure that bets were fair.

Source:

https://freebitco.in/#

[adaseb]

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Before you try another dice site and call it a scam because you ran into a huge losing streak, learn how to verify your bets and you will see that its IMPOSSIBLE for dice sites to cheat you.

Do you know how hashing works? Its basically a one way function. Very easy to hash a function but near impossible to do it in reverse, this is why bitcoin and banks are so secure due to SHA hashing.

So before you bet, look at your server seed, its hashed , you don't know the unhashed seed yet, then bet a few times, and when you are done, request a new seed and you will be given the unhashed seed of your last round. Then put that seed in some script and it will show you if you were cheated and 100% the bets are fair.

Its impossible for the dice site to cheat you, you just lost due to high house edge AND bad luck.

[ryzaadit]

Every time people losing on gambling, they will say "This game was cheated" would be a different scenario if he wins multiple times will be like this "Ok, this casino was rigged maybe i will play at here to get more money".

As long the assumption not a discussion about the "provably fair" from the casino, this is just an "angry situation" because he losing money went doing gambling. U should using the money you can afford to lose, if you can't afford it then do not doing gambling.

One of the greatest quotes from anime "Jojo Bizare Adventure - Stardust"

It's not cheating, went you cant prove it.

[bhabygrim]

Let me guess you are using martingale strategy and crying now that the house burned you out.
And losing 13 times in a row isn't new in that strategy I think there are so many other gamblers who used the strategy and lose more than just 13 times in a row.

[pawanjain]

Freebitco.in has been in business for years now and it has been very transparent with their process.
That's why they also display their process of calculating their next roll. They also show the client seed and nonce used for calculating the previous roll.
So it's just a matter of luck I would say. If your luck was too bad you can even lose 20 times in a row and then win the next ones.
If your luck is too good you can even win 10 times in a row. 47% chances of winning in no way guarantees that the number acquired would definitely make you a profit. It's just pure luck.

It is all about luck, I previously usedFreebitcoin.in and for me they are fair and not doing any bad and that is why for me that they are transparent. You lose 13 times because your multiplier is x2. It is better if you will earn more experience in order for you to understand how the dice games work. Maybe you try other dice games in other sites that have look a like with the dice game of freebitcoi.in

What's the point of quoting my post here because I just said the same thing. May be you were trying to quote OP and mistakenly quoted my post.
Also, it's freebitco.in and not freebitcoin.in

[iv4n]

Let me guess you are using martingale strategy and crying now that the house burned you out.
And losing 13 times in a row isn't new in that strategy I think there are so many other gamblers who used the strategy and lose more than just 13 times in a row.

Well I am one of them!

Before I played dices a lot, I mean a lot, for hours, burning bitcoins and making bitcoins (when prices was under 500 dollars). With 49% chances to win I had over 30 reds! Once I played roulette, betting on red and after 23 misses I lost 0.5 btc, I didn't have for the next bet! I can tell you that over 4/under 95, you can lose up to 5-6 times!
We can discuss is it provably fair or not, but it's gamble! You never know what can happen, for me winning and losing streaks are normal, it's normal for me to see 5 times the same number!!! It happens. That's why it's important to take breaks after some time, or to change strategy! When you push the same strategy for hours you will run in losing streak!

[s0lidus]

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Then you shouldn't be playing dice anywhere for money, because these streaks are very common.

The chances of getting such a streak again are quite large on sites with house edge of 5% or higher (it's even very common on sites with lower house edge), 'cause there is a huge range of numbers you can't win on when you place x2 bets (in this case you can't win when hitting numbers between 47.50 and 52.50). But again, you shouldn't falsely accuse casinos for being unfair, it will only make you look bad.

I’m not sure who you’re calling bots or paid persons as I can clearly see many legendary members, and other high ranking members have tried and explained to you but you seem hell bent on not understanding their views. I hope this line will help you verify and prove why others are right:

Perhaps you should be quoting the right post.. =/

[carlfebz2]

Let me guess you are using martingale strategy and crying now that the house burned you out.
And losing 13 times in a row isn't new in that strategy I think there are so many other gamblers who used the strategy and lose more than just 13 times in a row.

100% sure that he do make use of martingale and we know that once losing streak hits you then expect for your entire balance would be blown up.
This is nothing new and we all know that HE of freebitco is much higher compared on other typical known dice games nowadays.Talking about
freebitco to be not fair? They wont survive this long if they werent. Why not op tries to do use the same strategy on other dice games? for sure
he would experience much more devastating long losing streaks.

[harizen]

1. Freebitco.in has 5% House Edge. And even at 1% house edge, 10 times losing streak is always possible.

2. Martingale is not a betting strategy.

3. 50 % win / 50% lose chance? - bottom line, still relying on chances.

4. Charge that to your experience. You can gamble again if you want but at least you know now what will happen if you continuously play longer each of your sessions.

5. Lock this thread as somehow the community already feeds your mind. You can find it at the bottom left of this thread.

[elmanchez]

A coin has two sides, an eagle and a tails.
How likely is the eagle to drop 13 times? The chance is quite small but it exists, and the tails can also drop out, not even 13 times, but as much as 1000 times, there is 0.0001%, but there is a chance to prove that this is not fair - it’s unrealistic.

[Saint-loup]

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

Freebitco.in gives you the hash of the seed it will play. And you can change manually your client seed to play whatever seed you want. So freebitco.in can't guess what seed you will play, that's why it's provably fair.

[soloasi]

You can calculate if your number is the one they said it was...

IF thres anyone who has an old account of this site (freebitco.in, and i mean OLD, like under the USER ID: 600000) and dont use it, i would like to buy it, anyone interested send me and MP