A little bit of warning about the pandemic

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Yippee!

Another COVID19 thread.



**Coughs & leaves thread**

[philipma1957]

I don't think so because the forum is designed for Bitcoin discussions.

You can't discuss Bitcoin if you are sick or dead.

I get the impression that the anti-authority streak of many contributors here results in the forum having more than its share of participants who are covid19 deniers.

Just like it's important for the health of a geographic community to be well informed, it's important for the health of an online community to be well informed.  Due to conference and events its even possible for BCT members to transmit the virus to each other! ---- though, I agree that is much less of a concern.

by now there is no evidence that it helps to prevent or reduce virus infection,

That is a phenomenal piece of misinformation.  Because it's unethical to conduct a randomized-controlled test for live infections, all the studying in actual humans is extremely underpowered-- it's stuck with very few participants, poor compliance, testing too late when they're probably not very contagious, etc.  When you have an underpowed test the most common outcome is that the finding is not statistically significant.

It's like saying that "there is no evidence that parachutes improve survival when jumping out of planes" -- because virtually no one is jumping out of planes without them and some of the few that do survive.

So, instead we get stuff like natural experiments where an aircraft flies from NY to China with a person with swine flu on it, and zero people on board with masks get sick while 47% of the unmasked "control group" people got sick. Was it due to the masks, or was it simply that people with masks were more careful in general? We can't be completely sure.  The purpose of having a randomized control trial is to eliminate issues like that, but we can't go around intentionally infecting people with swine flu.

The particular study you're linking too was frustrated by detecting extremely low levels of viruses in *all* samples. For example for coronavirus (OC43) they  only detected the virus in droplets in the breath of 3 of 10 parties with the virus and no mask, while they detected it in 0 of 11 with the virus and a mask. Yet we *know* these viruses spread via dropplets. Their problem was that they either weren't testing people while they were contagious-- e.g. because the most contagious period was before symptoms showed, as is believed to be the case for sars-cov-2-- or their measurement approach was just busted. But regardless, in every case the mask reduced the levels they detected.

The problem was that their test was so underpowered that even an infinity fold reduction in rate was not statistically significant.

If the same approach study had also tested a six foot thick lead lined concrete wall, it would have also concluded that there was no evidence that it prevented the spread of OC43!  No virus particles would have been detected on the other side of the wall, just like the mask.  It would have been nice if they did include that, because then we could go around saying that there is no evidence that a mask works less well than a six foot thick lead lined concrete wall, and we'd be just as technically correct. And while it would also be a stupid and misleading claim, it would probably be less misleading than the claim that masks are completely ineffective which you've extracted from that paper.

Here is the image you couldn't link:

If every in the world wore a mask of so so quality it would have lowered infection rates.

Simple test is stand 3ft in front of a glass window and sneeze with zero effort to block or deflect the sneeze.

You will see droplets on that glass window.

The stand in front of the glass window with this mask

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y79K1PodX58

a simple mask made from mens clean underwear. obviously not n95.
sneeze at the window form 3 feet away and I guarantee you the moisture droplets will be reduced greatly.

I made a mask based on the youtube video above in under 30 seconds and while I know it won't help germs entering my eyes nose or mouth it will protect people from my germs of a sneeze or cough or even when I am speaking.

If people are willing they could make youtube videos of the underwear mask they made and we could post them somewhere some place

[Harlot]

While we did have a good laugh when the forum got the virus on April Fools, I think this reminder to be permanent in the "news" section won't make any difference at all. For one if you haven't notice is already most of the topics we currently have always have someone mentioning the COVID-19 virus in the topics. This alone already shows that most of the forum members we have in the forum are already aware of the COVID-19 virus. Second like what others said this is a Bitcoin discussion forum, making a COVID-19 related headline in the forum would just even make majority of the topics all related to COVID-19 since it will keep reminding members here about the ongoing pandemic.

[Rengga Jati]

Firstly, I want to say that I'm not the people who hate threads related to Corona pandemic. As long as the threads have the reasons to be created and the writers (OP) follow the forum rules, why not have them. But yes, shitty corona threads must be unacceptable.

Regarding this thread, I can understand why OP tried to give the suggestion to the forum. However, theymos already showed forum attention to the pandemic through the April fools recently. If the purpose is to remind all the members of this forum, I think it is more than enough. For more instruction, I guess all people should know where they must go/visit, it is who.int. (COVID-19)

[Stedsm]

I believe we are all under the colors of Coronavirus pandemic only where even Bitcointalk is popping up in some Google searches if you use this very specific term: "pandemic". I think users here are already doing their best to play their part in spreading a lot of news about Corona (yes, there are threads about it where unnecessary discussions are being done) and theymos is also worried about the situation as well as careful too, which is why he actively participates in some serious and on-topic discussions, so he may consider your request and make a specific thread with the title being advertised in the News area.

[libert19]

We have much spam related to covid-19 in some boards, that's enough to make everyone aware lmao

[Pmalek]

China is a liar. They blamed on the US. Army delivered the virus in China. Then about a month later, they talked the virus firstly appeared in Italy. I am sorry but what China is talking about. We all know the virus first reported in China.

It is here now, and until we (the world) have successfully defeated it, its origin isn't that important. That is a topic for a future discussion.
Trump calls it the Chinese virus. Chinese, American, Russian, or Italian, if your defence system is weak, chances are that it can kill you.

@OP
If people want to deny the existence of the virus, that's their decision. I don't think a message on this forum will change their mind. It's been global for a month now with many countries in lockdown.

An old colleague of mine from high school is a denier. He has a father who has high blood pressure and has suffered a cardiac arrest last year. But the guy hasn't changed anything regarding his lifestyle.

I'd rather be the 'idiot' wearing a mask, protecting, and washing himself more than what is normal than being the idiot who brought a disease back to those close to him.      

[AlexSimion]

This is Bitcointalk not Coronavirustalk .

Why do I think it's necessary
+ Ignorant about the pandemic: some people still think that this whole thing is just a flu or a ploy so they really don't pay attention to it. But with the

If people are still ignorant about it  , and ignoring the doctors , goverments , authorities etc , then a slogan here will change nothing.

+ A reminder that the forum cares about the current situation: right now the slogan we see more this days is about safety at this strange time.  A slogan doesn't necessarily show ones amount of care but it's a good step in the right direction.

A slogan won't show thank Bitcointalk cares . And I don't understand who you mean in this situation when you say the forum cares ? The administration ? Theymos etc ? Or you mean us forum members.

If you want to show that you care , stay home as much as you can , always keep a safe distance when u do go out, wash your hands often , wear a mask and gloves etc
I appreciate your intention OP , but a slogan is the least we need right now .

[Jet Cash]

You have to be careful when pushing the mass media propaganda Some people believe that shutting down economies will, cause more death, destruction and disease than the virus. One simple way to slow the virus and help build herd immunity, would be to ban smoking and vaping, and to control the ingredients in processed foods.

[jackg]

You have to be careful when pushing the mass media propaganda Some people believe that shutting down economies will, cause more death, destruction and disease than the virus. One simple way to slow the virus and help build herd immunity, would be to ban smoking and vaping, and to control the ingredients in processed foods.

You might end up with a lot of protests from that. Especially if they think you'll move to ban alcohol.

I think smokers are quite the minority these days... I haven't walked passed anyone smoking in a long time... You'll also end up with having to deal with their withdrawal symptoms like people getting the shakes.... It might make your immune system worse if you go cold turkey....


Can I peer review or write a the warning message if you're after something comprehensive.

[Snappycoco]

I agree. All should know how dangerous this virus is and could be in the future. All should also know how to protect their selves and their loved ones. A slogan could help I guess.

[snipie]

I think smokers are quite the minority these days... I haven't walked passed anyone smoking in a long time...

It depends from the IQ your community has.
Here i frequently see outside (while shopping for foods), people smoking or buying cigarettes, lines of people buying beers... And yes they smoke in public and near each others. 2 stupid 2 realise they are harming everyone...

[BIT-BENDER]

The contribution form everyone has been amazing and thought provoking.

I agree that anyone at this time still not believing the gravity of the virus is just being ignorant.
Yes the signs are everywhere on the street, bill board but let's not forget that some of us are on lock down and movement are limited to things essence. So our devices are more closer to us this days than normal.

We all by now to that there is a virus, yes we all do. Take for example during exams,  everyone know is Xmas but you Still see TV signs, bill board showing it, this is not to say we are not aware it Xmas but to show how important that season is.

People has lost there love once or still waiting for others to return from the hospital. The sign can signify we are all in this together, and the importance of the season right now although it's negative.

The sign could be changing to those that think it bores them. It could show gratitude to healthcare workers, police or others risking their health at this point. Of which we have some on the forum, you can get inspired by seeing a forum you love remembering what you do.
At this time we have seen with closure and total luck down the most important thing to human is survival.

[cabalism13]

It's been months already? Still need a notice on what should people do?I really don't  think so, it's just like the law, ignorance is not an excuse anymore besides this pandemis virus already started last December and hit the whole world by March, and now it's April 2020, I think everyone is already aware and also everyone know what should they're doing and not.

And foremost Discussions in regards of this topic are already widespread across almost in every section of this forum. Anyways, it's not a bad idea.

[The Cryptovator]

Since lots of thread regarding COVID-19 has been creating so I believe everyone who active on the forum are well aware about it. And everyone should know as well what they should do. Anyway it's not bad to remind same thing always especially such as epidemic, repeating same thing would sit on the brain once a time and we might stay safe.

Off topic, seems OP just need 9 merits to become Full member, so I have sent it. Congrats for your rank up.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Despite the fact that we have been taught for several months how to be safe from this virus, there is still a very large mass of people who do not believe in the seriousness of the pandemic. Based on this, we get new cases of infection, it seems that everything is moving in a spiral. It is naive to think that the virus will disappear at one point, so a daily repeat of the safety rules will not hurt, or maybe someone who has not heard or used the rules will begin to take their health more seriously.

[Vod]

+ There is no negative side to it: it would not really cost the forum anything to do it but the impact no matter how little can just help enlighten few.

I wouldn't like to forum to start displaying a few dozen warning about various happenings.

This is a bitcoin forum with a broken trust/promotion system.    Get your news from a more reliable source. 

[numpadxx5]

IMO everyone is surely know about this pandemic. You will easily know it on everywhere, like in twitter, facebook, youtube, TV, and many more.
So, no need to make a slogan for this forum, I think no one doesn't know about this virus.

There are so much news related this pandemic, usually I get bored to see that

I agree even there is a slogan for this forum it still depend on the people how will they handle the situation, in my country people are ignorant they don't listen, they go outside with no social distancing and interacting with people with no facemask.
I hope this pandemic will end soon, people are dying and starving because they cannot go to work.