Appeal to review why I was given a negative trust

[fiulpro]

I have been on the forum since high school and I had to change country of resident .
From India to Ukraine .
Unfortunately I always had have held my Bitcoins in Zebpay , which does not allow to change your country of resident once you have entered it .
So I had to ask my brother for help so then he sends me regular OTP's from the wallet .
He was inactive for quite a while and now I forced him to join the campaign too .
I told him about the open slot in My campaign that I was working for since months , one ID was used from Ukraine and one From India , wallet address was same .
I did not think if someone is going to accuse me of cheating they will first not check the URL , or time the people are active for .
My manager confronted me and I did provide him all the necessary documents .
Unfortunately I was still removed .
I was working in a campaign where you are supposed to post 60+15 for the full payment .
I could only manage 19-20 sometimes , instead of enrolling for a tier E full member slot wouldn't it have been better if I could have just posted 60+15 ?
I sent my manager on telegram all the documents + even my private conversation SC with my brother where am asking him to join the campaign.
Still I was removed the next day and given a negative trust.
Is this what you get for never cheating in bitcointalk.org ? Helping others join the community? Been years here and it is really really hard to be accused and given a negative trust.
I would like to appeal the boards to review my case , if the board needs documents and proof I am willing to send it on telegram .

[Lauda]

Cross-post.

PS: can someone investigate this two accounts, I'm not buying his defence claims of not been alts.

fiulpro - Pixyoxx (in your spreadsheet, he's active as "Pixyoxxv", that's not the manager's fault though - it's the way Pixyoxx wrote their name in the participation post)
Connected address: 3CkE3Az6s3Q42qgds2cD5g7STQpbxQ1eB9
Campaign they've joined: Bitvest

They are indeed Alt who are cheating on your current campaign.

1. Pixyoxx
2. fiulpro

Proof:

Username : fiulpro
Rank : senior member
Current post count: 1197
BTC address: ( no BCH) 3CkE3Az6s3Q42qgds2cD5g7STQpbxQ1eB9
Wear appropriate signature : Yes
Wear avatar : Yes

http://archive.is/pgdd6

Hello , I was wondering if I could apply for the new open slot ?
Name:   Pixyoxxv
Posts:   264
Merit:   119
Position:   Full Member
BTC address : 3CkE3Az6s3Q42qgds2cD5g7STQpbxQ1eB9
Thank you so much

http://archive.is/wip/IE4H0

Miscellaneous:

transaction: https://hashxp.org/7859405b2344cd3cbb5de55af2c6961a340b3eaaf1117bbc6cbeda2e7c4eaae3#top

Proof of recommendation by: #20kevin20

PROOF ARCHIVES:
Quote from fiulpro (archive backup);  their profile (archive backup)
Quote from Pixyoxx (archive backup);  their profile (archive backup)

Campaign: Topic: [Open] ▄■▀■▄ 🌟Bitvest.io🌟 - Plinko Sign Camp (Member-Hero Accepted)(New2)

spreadsheets

I am a bit familiar with user from the past, as can be seen from their sent ratings to me.

[AlexSimion]

I have been on the forum since high school and I had to change country of resident .
From India to Ukraine .
Unfortunately I always had have held my Bitcoins in Zebpay , which does not allow to change your country of resident once you have entered it .
So I had to ask my brother for help so then he sends me regular OTP's from the wallet .
He was inactive for quite a while and now I forced him to join the campaign too .
I told him about the open slot in My campaign that I was working for since months , one ID was used from Ukraine and one From India , wallet address was same .
I did not think if someone is going to accuse me of cheating they will first not check the URL , or time the people are active for .
My manager confronted me and I did provide him all the necessary documents .
Unfortunately I was still removed .
I was working in a campaign where you are supposed to post 60+15 for the full payment .
I could only manage 19-20 sometimes , instead of enrolling for a tier E full member slot wouldn't it have been better if I could have just posted 60+15 ?
I sent my manager on telegram all the documents + even my private conversation SC with my brother where am asking him to join the campaign.
Still I was removed the next day and given a negative trust.
Is this what you get for never cheating in bitcointalk.org ? Helping others join the community? Been years here and it is really really hard to be accused and given a negative trust.
I would like to appeal the boards to review my case , if the board needs documents and proof I am willing to send it on telegram .

What exactly does the bitcoin address has to do with your country of residence etc ? It makes absolutely 0 sense what you're saying .  Basically , you're in India now , and you asked your "brother";s address  to receive the payment , so he can send it to you ?? Where is the logic here ?

[YOSHIE]

Hello, @fiulpro your problem now, not the ID.
The problem you are doing is using the same Btc address and cheating in the campaign.

The address you are currently using: 1L3aUpVV1Zux8VqpGcGVanWEukDxfeRWzQ.

So.
Your current problem is:
1. The bitcoin sent by the campaign manager to the address you used above, who accepted you in Ukraine is not your relative who accepts who lives in Delhi now, Which uses btc instead of @Pixyoxx, that's you.
2. You register and manipulate the campaign with your Alt account named: @Pixyoxx.

You say @Pixyoxx lives in delhi.

I can provide different ID's for my brother and me , we are using the same wallet because in I live in Ukraine but I have to encash in INR and I never thought it would be a problem , we can verify the ID's , you can even check , from where the ID is being used , my ID - fuilpro is being used from Ukraine whereas he is in Delhi.

You have lied to and deceived the campaign managers you registered, one in Delhi and the other in Ukraine. But the bitcoin that was sent to Ukraine.

From the available evidence, we can conclude that: @Pixyoxx and @fiulpro are you, not your siblings, as you say.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I sent my manager on telegram all the documents + even my private conversation SC with my brother where am asking him to join the campaign.
Still I was removed the next day and given a negative trust.
Is this what you get for never cheating in bitcointalk.org ? Helping others join the community? Been years here and it is really really hard to be accused and given a negative trust.

I DM both accounts regarding the accusation, why are you the only one replying. Beside I asked you to appeal openly that's to show I was indeed ready to hear you out but when you come out to accused me or what to paint me bad, that's just stupidity.

Ps: I must not be your manager then because I haven't received any ID or screenshot to conversation on my telegram neither did I asked for them.

[fiulpro]

Hello, @fiulpro your problem now, not the ID.
The problem you are doing is using the same Btc address and cheating in the campaign.

The address you are currently using: 1L3aUpVV1Zux8VqpGcGVanWEukDxfeRWzQ.

So.
Your current problem is:
1. The bitcoin sent by the campaign manager to the address you used above, who accepted you in Ukraine is not your relative who accepts who lives in Delhi now, Which uses btc instead of @Pixyoxx, that's you.
2. You register and manipulate the campaign with your Alt account named: @Pixyoxx.

You say @Pixyoxx lives in delhi.

I can provide different ID's for my brother and me , we are using the same wallet because in I live in Ukraine but I have to encash in INR and I never thought it would be a problem , we can verify the ID's , you can even check , from where the ID is being used , my ID - fuilpro is being used from Ukraine whereas he is in Delhi.

You have lied to and deceived the campaign managers you registered, one in Delhi and the other in Ukraine. But the bitcoin that was sent to Ukraine.

From the available evidence, we can conclude that: @Pixyoxx and @fiulpro are you, not your siblings, as you say.

Am really sorry but Bitcoins were sent in the wallet of Zebpay registered in India , Delhi.
How about I send you the wallet transactions ? They are indeed being sent to India Delhi in the zebpay account , sorry if your calculations are wrong.
My brother does not care much about it , it won't influence him more than me.
He is not even aware of this

[fiulpro]

I sent my manager on telegram all the documents + even my private conversation SC with my brother where am asking him to join the campaign.
Still I was removed the next day and given a negative trust.
Is this what you get for never cheating in bitcointalk.org ? Helping others join the community? Been years here and it is really really hard to be accused and given a negative trust.

I DM both accounts regarding the accusation, why are you the only one replying. Beside I asked you to appeal openly that's to show I was indeed ready to hear you out but when you come out to accused me or what to paint me bad, that's just stupidity.

Ps: I must not be your manager then because I haven't received any ID or screenshot to conversation on my telegram neither did I asked for them.

Am really sorry but I did talk with @Pedrobrainboss last night where I did send all the documents .

@Priyanka044 .

[Lauda]

My brother does not care much about it , it won't influence him more than me.
He is not even aware of this

Would you be alright with a resolution where "his account" ("" until there is proof and so forth) is tagged and flagged and yours remains neutral?

[fiulpro]

My brother does not care much about it , it won't influence him more than me.
He is not even aware of this

Would you be alright with a resolution where "his account" ("" until there is proof and so forth) is tagged and flagged and yours remains neutral?

Yes ofcourse , this way I can at least enroll and keep earning.

[AlexSimion]

Am I the only one confused with this explanation ??   I have the same address as my "brother" because I , or he are living in India ? And I can not send to that btc address ?

I mean seriously ? What's the connection ?

[Lauda]

I sent my manager on telegram all the documents + even my private conversation SC with my brother where am asking him to join the campaign.
Still I was removed the next day and given a negative trust.
Is this what you get for never cheating in bitcointalk.org ? Helping others join the community? Been years here and it is really really hard to be accused and given a negative trust.

I DM both accounts regarding the accusation, why are you the only one replying. Beside I asked you to appeal openly that's to show I was indeed ready to hear you out but when you come out to accused me or what to paint me bad, that's just stupidity.

Ps: I must not be your manager then because I haven't received any ID or screenshot to conversation on my telegram neither did I asked for them.

Am really sorry but I did talk with @Pedrobrainboss last night where I did send all the documents .

@Priyanka044 .

Other contact info:    Brainboss SM Services offers you an opportunity to hire a top notch campaign manager capable of providing a flawless service at the most affordable rate available. Contact me anytime via PM or TG @PedroBrainboss

CryptopreneurBrainboss I was forwarded messages that seem to be genuine. Why are you saying that fiulpro did not send you these documents?

Am I the only one confused with this explanation ??   I have the same address as my "brother" because I , or he are living in India ? And I can not send to that btc address ?

I mean seriously ? What's the connection ?

Confusing or not, for now (based off of more information that I am getting) I am inclined to believe it (if this means anything to you).

From the available evidence, we can conclude that: @Pixyoxx and @fiulpro are you, not your siblings, as you say.

Unlikely if OP is not hitting the paid number of posts limit all the time.

[fiulpro]

Am I the only one confused with this explanation ??   I have the same address as my "brother" because I , or he are living in India ? And I can not send to that btc address ?

I mean seriously ? What's the connection ?

You gotta have a pan card to make a Zebpay account
I have to receive payment in INR this way I can forward it to receive less exchange rates for UAH .
I have to receive OTP's on Indian number to continue getting payment in INR .. international recharge costs a lot .
Long story short " you gotta have a bank account in same name+ pan card in same name + address proof to make Zebpay account"

When you change countries it is not easy to change your long term holding wallet.

[Timelord2067]

...

Your "Brother" woke up 18 days ago.

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?id=882083



I'm pretty sure other SigCamps have a policy of no users who woke up - it looks like the Bitvest / Plinko SigCamp doesn't have that stipulation.

CryptopreneurBrainboss??


Oddly enough you managed to change your password the same day as your "brother"



Has anyone looked at their posts prior to that date to see if they changed languages etc?  A sure sign both UID's were probably/maybe bought on that date. (then again both accounts were created four years ago) 

[fiulpro]

...

Your "Brother" woke up 18 days ago.

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?id=882083



I'm pretty sure other SigCamps have a policy of no users who woke up - it looks like the Bitvest / Plinko SigCamp doesn't have that stipulation.

CryptopreneurBrainboss??


Oddly enough you managed to change your password the same day as your "brother"



Has anyone looked at their posts prior to that date to see if they changed languages etc?  A sure sign both UID's were probably/maybe bought on that date.

Yes I know , I told him to start earning again , since there was a problem during the quarantine and even a small thing could support the family.
Also our style of posting are varied , a lot of difference .

So based on the fact that both accounts were created 4 years ago it means it is my alt ? I do not think it is wrong to actually ask ur friends and family to create account on BTC talk , I have tried really hard to get my family members and friends to get into cryptocurrencies and suddenly there is a problem if someone would join?
If we are going into great depths wouldn't it be good if someone could actually check the URL ? ? From where the ID's are being used ? ?
Would help me a lot.
Update : I checked again I did not change the password 18 days ago , it was already saved in the settings of google , I rechecked it .  


Plus , what I see the problem is the negative trust I was given due to engaging in alts in the same campaign whereas , I did talk with the manager on telegram and told him about the situation. Wouldn't it be easier to just check the URL ?? The quality of posts and the methods of posting. The problem is even though the manager denied talking with me I do have the proof that was rightfully shown.

manager gave me a chance to explain myself (thank you for that) and I did , every document was sent to him with the proof that the wallet doesn't allow change of country of residence. But problem is why am I told that we didn't talk and even though the manager did say ok and I asked my bro to apply for new wallet , nothing was done to understand my part.

[Harkorede]

I'm pretty sure other SigCamps have a policy of no users who woke up - it looks like the Bitvest / Plinko SigCamp doesn't have that stipulation.

Another thing is that there currently is no rule on their terms that warned against the use of multi-accounts either, perhaps the user hasn't even violated any of the campaign rule.

[fiulpro]

I'm pretty sure other SigCamps have a policy of no users who woke up - it looks like the Bitvest / Plinko SigCamp doesn't have that stipulation.

Another thing is that there currently is no rule on the on their terms that warned against the use of multi-accounts either, perhaps the user hasn't even violated any of the campaign rule.

Thank you for bringing light on this situation , really grateful you pointed it out .

I rechecked the campaign rules and nothing was written of that sort , so the argument is nullified on the first place.

[Lauda]

If only you and your brother (?) use things called "Bitcoin Wallet" or "Cryptocurrency Wallet" where both of you (?) have different address, the whole situation could be avoided.

Too late now for that, is it not? Now is the time to educate.

CryptopreneurBrainboss I was forwarded messages that seem to be genuine. Why are you saying that fiulpro did not send you these documents?

Based on what I have received, I am very strongly urged to believe that the story is true. Combined with this:

My brother does not care much about it , it won't influence him more than me.
He is not even aware of this

Would you be alright with a resolution where "his account" ("" until there is proof and so forth) is tagged and flagged and yours remains neutral?

Yes ofcourse , this way I can at least enroll and keep earning.

I'm pretty sure other SigCamps have a policy of no users who woke up - it looks like the Bitvest / Plinko SigCamp doesn't have that stipulation.

Another thing is that there currently is no rule on their terms that warned against the use of multi-accounts either, perhaps the user hasn't even violated any of the campaign rule.

Summary: No cheating has occurred (according to Harkorede and Timelord), they are fine with 1 account being neg. rated and/or flagged and the story is very likely to be true. I ask CryptopreneurBrainboss to retract his rating and investigators to dig further into the history two accounts if they are willing.
I have tagged Pixyoxx (for the time being): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=882083.

[Pixyoxx]

A lot to take in ..

But okay I will provide the documents if you guys need . And my URL too.

[Lauda]

A lot to take in ..

But okay I will provide the documents if you guys need . And my URL too.

Please do not upload any documents to the forum and do not send them to anybody random asking you to do so anywhere. This is a classic privacy mistake people do trying to defend themselves here.

[bitmover]

I am not  defending fiulpro.

The whole thing is very complicated, too many details in his story. I would remove him from the campaign as well if I were the manager.

But this user might be a complete newbie and not a scammer. Maybe he is really holding his btc in that custodial wallet Zebpay and he doesn't understand anything about how bitcoin works.

Please do not upload any documents to the forum and do not send them to anybody random asking you to do so anywhere. This is a classic privacy mistake people do trying to defend themselves here.

I agree. In my opinion you shouldn't even send any documents to anyone, even the campaign manager.

My suggestion to fiulpro: Study about bitcoin, understand how it works, and come back to the forum. Try to be useful here and you will get some earning from signatures campaigns.


I think CryptopreneurBrainboss should really remove him from the campaign, as a newbie like that should not represent any brand. Additionally, I would also remove the red trust, and he looks harmless imo. Just move it to neutral. My 2 cents.