What is exactly the functionality of "Report to moderator"?

[GazetaBitcoin]

Two days ago I reported to moderators 100 posts of two connected users which were shilling constantly their website here, through their posts. The reports were made by clicking on each of their post where they were mentioning the site (goanadupabitcoin.ro) and then selecting "Report to moderator". Besides, as the above link shows, I also mentioned them in o_e_l_e_o's topic, which seems to address (with success) such spamming behaviors. These were also my first reports on the forum.

As I wrote also in that topic, I reported 77 out of a total of 202 posts of an user and 24 out of a total of 462 from the second one. That was happening two days ago (April 16th, 2020), somwhere after the noon.

During the evening of that day, I was having a report accuracy of 25%, understanding from here that 25 posts reported by me (out a total of 100-103) were analyzed, were correct and, as a consequence, deleted. But the users had only 1-2 posts deleted.

I said to wait, maybe it takes time until the posts are actually deleted. Yesterday morning I checked again. My accuracy was showing as 50%. But still, the users had only 1-2 posts deleted.

I waited more. Since yesterday evening and until this moment, my accuracy dropped from 50% to 34%, don't know why, as all the posts I deleted were shilling that site. Thus, if 1 of my reports was correct, then all 100 should be correct. The opposite is also true: if even 1 of my reports was incorrect, then all should be declared incorrect.

After that, I checked again the posts number of both users. First user (goanadupabitcoin) has 194 posts out of 202, thus only 8 were deleted out of a total of 77 reported posts. Second user (Nea Sandu) has the same number of posts as two days ago - 462 - thus 0 posts were deleted in his case, out of a total of 24 reported posts).

So there seems to be an error. If I reported 100 (or 103; don't remember exactly) and I have an accuracy of 34%, this should mean that 34 posts were deleted. However, only 8 were deleted, which means 8%. Why?

Besides, as I mentioned above, if only 1 such report was correct, then all should have been declared accurate, as in all posts reported by me these users shilled their side. How could be only 34% (and 34 in numbers as well, as I reported ~100 posts) declared accurate and the rest inaccurate? Or how could have been my accuracy at 50% yesterday morning and 34% since yesterday evening, considering I did not make other reports?

Any idea?

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[tranthidung]

You have to call down and be patient. Reports will be sent to moderators according to algorithm if the forum that we don't know. Moderators after receiving reports need time to investigate and handle them. Sometimes reports sent to moderators by the forum machine but moderators are responsible for those reports are inactively on the forum for a few days. They can not handle reports when they don't log in accounts and don't have time.

Two days are not too long, and reports are handle in queue.

I guess accuracy rate is for handled reports, not for total reports that include unhandled ones.

[Lauda]

The current forum staff seems to be ICO/ANN bumping friendly, also off-topic and derailment friendly. I would exercise caution reporting really unless this changes sooner rather than later.  

You have to call down and be patient. Reports will be sent to moderators according to algorithm if the forum that we don't know. Moderators after receiving reports need time to investigate and handle them. Sometimes reports sent to moderators by the forum machine but moderators are responsible for those reports are inactively on the forum for a few days. They can not handle reports when they don't log in accounts and don't have time.

Two days are not too long, and reports are handle in queue.

I guess accuracy rate is for handled reports, not for total reports that include unhandled ones.

What exactly is there to investigate? Look at the case he linked, it takes about 2 - 5 minutes to conclude you have to permaban both accounts.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Looool indeed.

Even if you don't know Romanian, the case is crystal clear. Just look over the posts And shilling a site in 77 out of 202 posts means that user actually shilled in 38% of the posts (talking about goanadupabitcoin). Almost a half lol. The links are also in plain sight.

In Nea Sandu's case it's a bit more tricky, as he used the BBCode url /url to hide many links. But even so, I still checkd all his links. He has fewer (just 5%).

Besides, in many cases incorrect information was stated (such as Bitcoin not having a 21 million cap and so on). But to see that you have to know Romanian.

However, this might be a delicate situation, as I already described here, with these two users being aquaintances of Cyrus. And, as most likely he will check the reports, it is possible to "forgive" them, as Lauda already pointed out. Let's hope for the best though.

[Rikafip]

So there seems to be an error. If I reported 100 (or 103; don't remember exactly) and I have an accuracy of 34%, this should mean that 34 posts were deleted. However, only 8 were deleted, which means 8%. Why?

Similar thing happened to me few days ago. I reported bunch of posts, and according to post history reports were marked as good, but they were not deleted at all. So after 24 hours or so i reported them again, an this time they were deleted. I guess mods simply forgot to delete them in the first place. I made post about it in Spambusters thread.

Besides, as I mentioned above, if only 1 such report was correct, then all should have been declared accurate, as in all posts reported by me these users shilled their side. How could be only 34% (and 34 in numbers as well, as I reported ~100 posts) declared accurate and the rest inaccurate?

Weird stuff like that  probably happened to all of us that regularly report spammy posts, like few posts out of bunch marked as bad while all other similar were deleted, but in your case it's pretty extreme number. All you can do now is wait, as sometimes i waited for days before someone  deleted the reported posts.

It would be much easier to track all those reported posts if we had access to report history right from the beginning, and not after 300 successfully reported posts like it is now.

The current forum staff seems to be ICO/ANN bumping friendly, also off-topic and derailment friendly. I would exercise caution reporting really unless this changes sooner rather than later.  

Dunno about off-topic reports, but in the last few months i had approximately 2k reports (mostly ANN bumping and fake ANNs with malware) and maybe 4-5 of them were marked as bad, so it wasn't that bad I think. But yeah, you have to be careful when reporting, probably best idea to focus on the most obvious ones.

Besides, in many cases incorrect information was stated (such as Bitcoin not having a 21 million cap and so on). But to see that you have to know Romanian.

So this happened in the Romanian local board? I thought posts reported in local boards are sorted by local mods.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Yes, it happened in the Romanian board. Please see my update to my previous post. I added a new paragraph.

[TheBeardedBaby]

When you reach 300 good reports you will have overview of all the reports.
It takes time to process all the posts.
Sometimes in the local boards i experienced the same, reported a few posts, obviously spam but got them sa bad. Never got a feedback but I never asked.

[o_e_l_e_o]

There have been a couple of similar cases I have been involved in where after reporting the same user dozens of times for spamming, off topic, advertising, etc., and rather than delete every single post the mod has deleted only a handful or sometimes none at all, but the user has ended up with a temporary or permanent ban. As non-global mods have to escalate to global mods if they think a user should be banned, I have wondered if in these situations they mark all the reports as good, but don't delete the posts and instead them all as "evidence" for the global mod to see.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I understand what you're saying, but having Cyrus there, which is also a Global Administrator (not just a mod), I'd expect things to be different, meaning to enforce the forum rules in the appropriate manner.

Of course, things are different if he is friend with those two users, but I hope though his judgement won't be biased by such classic Romanian nepotism.

I could try to do what Rikafip suggested - to report again all those posts - but that will take a lot of time, as I'd have to pass again through 600+ posts.

But yeah, you have to be careful when reporting, probably best idea to focus on the most obvious ones.

I think it is obvious that in this case we are talking about a very clear shilling / spamming, since it can be realized even by someone not speaking Romanian. Lauda saw it, for example. Just look over goanadupabitcoin's post history (eventually from the oldest to the newest) and you'll understand.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I understand what you're saying, but having Cyrus there, which is also a Global Administrator (not just a mod)

There is no way of knowing if Cyrus was the one who viewed or dealt with those reports.

I could try to do what Rikafip suggested - to report again all those posts - but that will take a lot of time, as I'd have to pass again through 600+ posts.

That would be a waste of your time and a waste of moderator time to act upon all the reports again, and likely wouldn't change the outcome. I think you would be better either waiting for a reply in this thread or PMing Cyrus directly if you would like him to examine the situation.

Having said all that, neither of those two users has posted in weeks. It could be that have both been temp banned, which doesn't show up in the modlog.

[Rikafip]

I could try to do what Rikafip suggested - to report again all those posts - but that will take a lot of time, as I'd have to pass again through 600+ posts.

My situation was a bit different though - my reports were marked as good, but posts weren't deleted, that's why i reported them again. On top of that, it was only 7 posts and I knew exactly which ones to report again, so it was much easier for me, than what you would have to do. As o_e_l_e_o said, it would be waste of time to go through all that process again. Imho, best is simply to wait, sometimes reports stay unhandled for days until some mod comes and deletes them.

What you could do in the future with similar posts is to report just 1-2 to see whether reports are good or bad, and act upon that. At least that's what i was doing in the beginning. Once you reach 300 good reports it becomes much  easier, as before that you don't really know which ones are  good/bad when you report in bulk.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you all for the advice. I'll wait a few more days and see what happens.

[suchmoon]

Thank you all for the advice. I'll wait a few more days and see what happens.

If your reporting accuracy has dropped then it means your reports have been marked as "bad". I doubt you'll see any more posts deleted from the ones that you reported. I would suggest to keep reporting but perhaps don't report 77 posts of the same user - instead report a few and add a comment asking moderator to look into the user's post history.

[hilariousandco]

Most of your reports are still in the queue. The ones that were seemingly marked as bad were the conovairus ones. There's two reported as shilling on posts from 2015 that have been marked as bad in the Romanian section. No idea who handled them but contacting Cyrus would be your best bet first.

[mprep]

Most of your reports are still in the queue. The ones that were seemingly marked as bad were the conovairus ones. There's two reported as shilling on posts from 2015 that have been marked as bad in the Romanian section. No idea who handled them but contacting Cyrus would be your best bet first.

I've marked several GazetaBitcoin's reports as bad since they were duplicates (as in he reported the same post several) times. IIRC I didn't handle any other reports of his.

[Lauda]

Most of your reports are still in the queue. The ones that were seemingly marked as bad were the conovairus ones. There's two reported as shilling on posts from 2015 that have been marked as bad in the Romanian section. No idea who handled them but contacting Cyrus would be your best bet first.

I've marked several GazetaBitcoin's reports as bad since they were duplicates (as in he reported the same post several) times. IIRC I didn't handle any other reports of his.

Since when are duplicate reports being marked bad? Sounds like this could hurt the accuracy of those that mistakenly sometimes do it. No?

[mprep]

Most of your reports are still in the queue. The ones that were seemingly marked as bad were the conovairus ones. There's two reported as shilling on posts from 2015 that have been marked as bad in the Romanian section. No idea who handled them but contacting Cyrus would be your best bet first.

I've marked several GazetaBitcoin's reports as bad since they were duplicates (as in he reported the same post several) times. IIRC I didn't handle any other reports of his.

Since when are duplicate reports being marked bad? Sounds like this could hurt the accuracy of those that mistakenly sometimes do it. No?

Since as far as I can remember. Not all mods mark them as bad, since not all mods notice they're duplicates. And yes, if you mistakenly do it sometimes, it will hurt your accuracy. If you want a perfect (100%) or close to perfect reporting acccuracy (which has very little meaning beyond vanity; according to theymos, total good reports + a decent accuracy is where it's at), you must have a perfect or near perfect track record. Seems fair for for such a high (and ultimately pointless) bar to reach. If maintaining a near perfect accuracy isn't your goal, the few duplicate reports mixed in with dozens or hundreds of good reports does very little to affect your accuracy.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If you want a perfect (100%) reporting acccuracy (which has very little meaning beyond vanity; according to theymos, total good reports is where it's at), you must have a perfect track record.

You don't have to be perfect to reach 100%. I have 37 bad reports (the majority of which were unintentional duplicate reports), but still have a 100% accuracy. The accuracy calculation seems to use the ceil function to return the nearest higher integer, meaning any accuracy >99% displays a "perfect" score of 100%. In reality, this means you can still make 1.010101... bad reports for every 100 good ones and maintain an accuracy of 100%.

[so98nn]

If you want a perfect (100%) reporting acccuracy (which has very little meaning beyond vanity; according to theymos, total good reports is where it's at), you must have a perfect track record.

You don't have to be perfect to reach 100%. I have 37 bad reports (the majority of which were unintentional duplicate reports), but still have a 100% accuracy. The accuracy calculation seems to use the ceil function to return the nearest higher integer, meaning any accuracy >99% displays a "perfect" score of 100%. In reality, this means you can still make 1.010101... bad reports for every 100 good ones and maintain an accuracy of 100%.

Yeah it works that way i guess. I did report many posts regarding their bumping and most of them mods have already locked up. Since recently i am constantly working on locking of threads which are sensibly too old or way too bumped for further use on this forum.

However, I have gotten some threads reported badly since they are still not locked up and also my accuracy of reporting dropped a little. May be this has got to do with mod's and their way of thinking regarding the reports we make.

[Welsh]

Yeah it works that way i guess. I did report many posts regarding their bumping and most of them mods have already locked up. Since recently i am constantly working on locking of threads which are sensibly too old or way too bumped for further use on this forum.

However, I have gotten some threads reported badly since they are still not locked up and also my accuracy of reporting dropped a little. May be this has got to do with mod's and their way of thinking regarding the reports we make.

Interpretation of the moderator is always going to be a factor. I'm not the moderator who handled your reports, but I'll give you an example to where I differ from a few moderators, and globals; I think that most threads shouldn't be locked, and rather be removed completely if they are causing spam. If a thread has particular importance I believe simply cleaning up the thread even if it creates higher workload to  be the better choice.

You don't have to be perfect to reach 100%. I have 37 bad reports

I have 265 bad reports, and they don't bother me at all, and for those of you that care my percentage is at 100% for the reasons mentioned above. Most users will care more about the percentage than actually reporting which is a small issue. It would be interesting whether removing that percentage would be of benefit. Then, there's the opposite end of the scales where users won't know which reports were marked  bad or won't learn from their mistakes.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you for replies hilariousandco and mprep. I wasn't sure if I reported a few duplicates (but thought I did). However, those were 5 at most. I opened a tab for each shilling post and maybe I opened a few twice. It is understandable, since I opened about 100 tabs while looking over ~600 posts. Also, about the ones mentioned by hilariousandcofor being marked as bad, they are still shilling of that website, as you can easily see just by looking at the respective posts.

Indeed, as Lauda said, I didn't know that duplicate reports are marked as bad, nor I understand why. For example, if I report a post and then another user reports it as well, the report of second user is bad

If you say many are still in the queue, I'll keep waiting for all to be solved... But until now there is no change since yesterday. First user still has 194 posts out of 202 and the second one has no post deleted.

Also, about the two other posts reported in 2015 and marked as bad... I hope it won't come true what I said above, worrying me lol.

I don't care too much about the 100% accuracy. It's just in this particular case, if even 1 link would be considered correctly reported, I assume then all of them should be considered the same as all the reported posts contain links of goanadupabitcoin.ro.

[Welsh]

Indeed, as Lauda said, I didn't know that duplicate reports are marked as bad, nor I understand why. For example, if I report a post and then another user reports it as well, the report of second user is bad

No. Only if you report the same exact post  twice will it be marked bad. You can report multiple posts or all of a users posts if they are breaking the rules, but try not to make duplicate reports. The reason duplicate reports are marked bad is because it would be easier for users to pad their report counts, as well as being extra workload of staff members.

As for further explanation of why they were not all marked good, and assuming that they were not marked bad it would be best to contact the likely moderator that took action. Although, they are not required to answer.

[Lauda]

The reason duplicate reports are marked bad is because it would be easier for users to pad their report counts, as well as being extra workload of staff members.

First the report count is useless for anyone other than theymos, nothing is to be gained from this. Theymos could easily double check if majority are from double reports (Therefore this reasoning of yours is nullified). Second, in most cases deleting the post is all that is required and the reports will be automatically be marked as good (therefore, not really extra workload).

[malevolent]

Second, in most cases deleting the post is all that is required and the reports will be automatically be marked as good (therefore, not really extra workload).

Global moderators (and admins) can have backlogs of several hundred reports, more reports means more scrolling when deciding which reports should be handled quickly.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The current forum staff seems to be ICO/ANN bumping friendly, also off-topic and derailment friendly.

Mods have always seemingly been tolerant of the latter as long as I've been a member here--I've seen a lot of off-topic stuff not get deleted in the past, and that doesn't really bother me unless a thread completely morphs into something different.  As far as the problem of the former, I bet you that mods have thrown up their hands and given up at all the stupid bumping that goes on.  It would probably be a full-time job for multiple mods to handle all of that shit.

I don't know why OP's accuracy did what it did, though.  On the other hand, I wouldn't let that discourage him from reporting.  I'd also suggest not reporting each post for a single member but rather write in the details of the report that a member is consistently violating a rule.  At most I'd report three or so posts just to demonstrate your point (and that's only my personal suggestion).  Hilariousandco has suggested something similar in the past, and it makes sense.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Thank you for replies hilariousandco and mprep. I wasn't sure if I reported a few duplicates (but thought I did). However, those were 5 at most. I opened a tab for each shilling post and maybe I opened a few twice. It is understandable, since I opened about 100 tabs while looking over ~600 posts. Also, about the ones mentioned by hilariousandcofor being marked as bad, they are still shilling of that website, as you can easily see just by looking at the respective posts.

Indeed, as Lauda said, I didn't know that duplicate reports are marked as bad, nor I understand why. For example, if I report a post and then another user reports it as well, the report of second user is bad

If you say many are still in the queue, I'll keep waiting for all to be solved... But until now there is no change since yesterday. First user still has 194 posts out of 202 and the second one has no post deleted.

Also, about the two other posts reported in 2015 and marked as bad... I hope it won't come true what I said above, worrying me lol.

I don't care too much about the 100% accuracy. It's just in this particular case, if even 1 link would be considered correctly reported, I assume then all of them should be considered the same as all the reported posts contain links of goanadupabitcoin.ro.

Just a tip. If you don't mind using scripts written by others you can use the script made by suchmoon which is very helpful when you report many posts in a thread.
You have predefined cases like zero-value posts, non-English, etc. If you open the whole thread in one windows ( if it is possible - "show all") then when you select one of the predefined cases it opens a new tab with the report and the post in the list is greyed out. If you send the report the post gets a yellow mark, if you cancel the report gets red mark.
The other cool thing is when you send the report the open tab automatically closes.
It makes the life of anyone reporting much easier.

[Harlot]

For situations like this I think it would be better if you just created a thread in the reputation board pointing out to the shilling they are doing rather than reporting each posts of the two users one by one. If they are simply talking about their website than reporting it even if it is shitty or worthless will always be 50/50 in my opinion as it cannot be counted as a abusive or wrongly posted message since they are just talking about their website and illegally promoting it. At least if you posted this in the reputation board you have the chance to have them tag and save you some time by reporting each and every single one of their post.

[actmyname]

I've reported several dozen users' post histories and have seen a few times reports marked as 'good' despite a post having not been deleted. Moderator's discretion.Accuracy really doesn't matter and though duplicates are annoying, they don't come up that often. I have 1103 bad reports with a 97% accuracy. Probably around 40% are from duplicated posts (network or human error)

[hilariousandco]

Most of your reports are still in the queue. The ones that were seemingly marked as bad were the conovairus ones. There's two reported as shilling on posts from 2015 that have been marked as bad in the Romanian section. No idea who handled them but contacting Cyrus would be your best bet first.

I've marked several GazetaBitcoin's reports as bad since they were duplicates (as in he reported the same post several) times. IIRC I didn't handle any other reports of his.

Since when are duplicate reports being marked bad? Sounds like this could hurt the accuracy of those that mistakenly sometimes do it. No?

Since as far as I can remember. Not all mods mark them as bad, since not all mods notice they're duplicates. And yes, if you mistakenly do it sometimes, it will hurt your accuracy. If you want a perfect (100%) or close to perfect reporting acccuracy (which has very little meaning beyond vanity; according to theymos, total good reports + a decent accuracy is where it's at), you must have a perfect or near perfect track record. Seems fair for for such a high (and ultimately pointless) bar to reach. If maintaining a near perfect accuracy isn't your goal, the few duplicate reports mixed in with dozens or hundreds of good reports does very little to affect your accuracy.

In general I don't mark duplicates as bad. It's easy to make a mistake and they seem to be fairly rare though they do occasionally happen. The only exception I would make is if duplicate reporting becomes common by a certain user as it would be easier to bolster your report score if people were just spamming the report queue with duplicates all the time. I know some people care about their report accuracy a lot but as people have already said it's not something to be worried about really. Maybe on the new forum system duplicate reports from the same user could be ignored or grouped together.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I understand, but is there an ETA until my other reports will be checked? I made the reports on April 16th and only a few have been analyzed on April 16th and 17th. Since then no other report was checked...

[hosseinimr93]

I understand, but is there an ETA until my other reports will be checked? I made the reports on April 16th and only a few have been analyzed on April 16th and 17th. Since then no other report was checked...

Some reports may remain unhandled forever.
Below is what is stated on report history page.

When a report stays unhandled, this does not mean that no moderators were available to look at it; rather, it means that several moderators looked at it, but none of them was sure whether it should be acted upon or not. A report that stays unhandled can be thought of as "soft-bad", since no moderator positively thought that it warranted action.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Oh well, I thought the case was obvious here. I don't think an user can spam the forum in 38% of his posts, shilling his website.

[Chlotide]

Oh well, I thought the case was onvious here. I don't think an user can spam the forum in 38% of his posts, shilling his website.

Not exactly shilling imo

A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization. Shills can carry out their operations in the areas of media, journalism, marketing, politics, confidence games, or other business areas.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

There should be a clear difference between providing a link on-topic with useful info. So what it's his website, we should link only to cointelegraph? And just spamming their own website randomly. I think spam marketing should be punished, not marketing all together. Wonder what other users in the Romanian board think about his posts

[GazetaBitcoin]

Not exactly shilling imo

In Romanian we have a saying: "if you wouldn't have talked, you could have been considered a wise person". The same is true for you, Chlotide.

This is the second time when you bump into my topics, looking just to embarrass yourself (I have to admit, you are very good at it). Now as many people don't know, I have to remind them our little history:

1) So at first, when I expressed my opinion that rank up is too easy (opinion which I'm still keeping, as reaching the half of merits for Legendary in only 5 months looks still too easy), you tried to look smart, saying why I'm not yet Legendary in Jan 2020, if I joined the forum in November 2017. Of course, without saying that I was inactive since I joined and until the end of Oct 2019. However, after embarrassing yourself pretty well, you managed though at that time to almost double your merits while writing in my topic, jumping from 4 to 7.

I see you advanced a bit, heh? Now, with 74 merits, you have more than 1000% than in January. Still think it's hard to earn them, if we speak in percentages? Or are you here perhaps to double your merits once more in my topic? Lol.

2) Now, although this topic and the terminology are obvious for everybody, apparently for you it's still not clear somehow. Nor correct. Let me draw it for you, to help you understand.

Excepting the definition you kindly shared with all of us - those which don't properly know the definition of the "shill" word from dictionary Wikipedia (which as you may not know, it is a regular site, updated by regular users, not academicians) - a definition which may (or may not) be correct, on the Internet (including this forum), the term "shilling" is used in various meanings, including the one I chose.

Now as you can see with your own eyes, many old users of the forum posted inside this topic, users with great contributions or with great knowledge. Including, but not limited to: Lauda, o_e_l_e_o, tranthidung, suchmoon, mprerp, hilariousandco, iasenko, The Pharmacist, Welsh, malevolent etc. However, none of them suggested I used the wrong term.

Excepting these users, let's come back to o_e_l_e_o's topic, mentioned by me in OP. He has there a more precise definition of shilling (I highlighted the words which should be of your interest, in order to be easier for you to observe them):

Topic: List of advertising shills. Mods please review and ban as appropriate.

~snip~
The users I will list below are users who either own or are being paid by a site or variety of sites to shill said sites. They largely post copy and pasted articles, add nothing of any value, and make zero effort to generate a discussion or actually contribute to the forum. Some also make low value, vaguely on-topic posts solely for the reason of shoehorning in a link to one of the sites. They are breaking rules regarding spam, low value posts, unsubstantial advertising, and advertising in other users' threads. I'm hoping that the moderators will hand out temporary bans to these users, and escalate this to perma-bans if their spamming doesn't stop.

These being said, I certainly hope you properly understood what I pointed out in this topic and, why not, double your merits again while embarrassing yourself writing in my topics.

[Chlotide]

...This is the second time when you bump into my topics, looking just to embarrass yourself (I have to admit, you are very good at it). Now as many people don't know, I have to remind them our little history:

Now, with 74 merits, you have more than 1000% than in January. Still think it's hard to earn them, if we speak in percentages? Or are you here perhaps to double your merits once more in my topic? Lol.

2) Now, although this topic and the terminology are obvious for everybody, apparently for you it's still not clear somehow. Nor correct. Let me draw it for you, to help you understand.

I see free speech does not go well with you. Your way or the highway. Seems I'm the only person who disagrees with you. Stupid me...
WTF does merit have to do with this? Is there a thread you open that does not contain the word "merit" somewhere in the posts?

What ever dude! I'll just ignore you from now on... gl with your appeal !

[GazetaBitcoin]

What ever dude! I'll just ignore you from now on... gl with your appeal !

Thank you and thank you. I'm glad my drawing helped you understand.

[GazetaBitcoin]

It's been more than a week now and the rest of the reports are still unhandled, the the number of posts of goanadupabitcoin and Nea Sandu remained the same. Also, my accuracy remained 34% thus I'm sure the reports remained unhandled, since I didn't make any other reports since then.

Kind question to hilariousandco, mprep, malevolent or Welsh, since you are the mods / staff members who posted here: are my reports only handled by Cyrus, as the reported posts were all from Romanian board? Or could they be checked by other mod as well? I remember mprep said he marked a few reports of mine as bad thus I'm not sure how things work: for reports of local boards posts other mods can flag them as bad but the good ones are handled only by the mod of the respective local board? I'm asking to see if only Cyrus could handle these reports or maybe other mod can do that as well (especially for this case, where the shilling is in plain sight).

Also, can you see who handled the good reports of mine? As I mentioned in OP, a few hours after reporting all 100 posts, a few of them (8 of goanadupabitcoin) were deleted. Were they deleted by Cyrus ir by another mod?

Thanks!

[malevolent]

All Global Moderators and Admins can moderate and handle reports from all sections. Some mods can delete Newbies' posts forum-wide. Only admins can see who handled someone else's report.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you for your fast reply  malevolent. This means then that any Global Moderator / Admin can delete the reported posts, even from local board, right? Meaning it's not necessary for them to know that language, as I assume there are not Global Moderators / Admins for each local board. With other words, I should expect my reports to be handled / not handled by any of them, not just by Cyrus, is this correct?

[malevolent]

Thank you for your fast reply  malevolent. This means then that any Global Moderator / Admin can delete the reported posts, even from local board, right? Meaning it's not necessary for them to know that language, as I assume there are not Global Moderators / Admins for each local board. With other words, I should expect my reports to be handled / not handled by any of them, not just by Cyrus, is this correct?

They can, but I don't think they regularly handle reported posts in languages they aren't familiar with unless it's an obvious case. It's also possible for a user you report to be nuked e.g. for spamming somewhere else by any other mod, in that case afaik your reports get handled too as all their posts are deleted.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you again for the detailed explanation. I'll keep waiting, in this case. However, I'm really curious how these reports will be handled (assuming they will be handled).

[GazetaBitcoin]

It's been two weeks now and my reports are still unhandled... Is there any hope to have them checked?

By not having them analyzed seems that the respective spams are somehow encouraged, instead of being limited...

[GazetaBitcoin]

Once you reach 300 good reports it becomes much  easier, as before that you don't really know which ones are  good/bad when you report in bulk.

I have now over 300 reports, but I don't see which ones are the ones handled and which are not handled... I can see just the overall percentages for good, bad and unhandled ones (it shows I have 385 reports, 84% accuracy, 84 good, 16 bad and 285 unhandled)... Is this how it's supposed to be? I thought I could see the status for each reported post...

However, by manually checking the posts numbers of goanadupabitcoin and Nea Sandu it seems no other post of them was deleted, thus all my reports for them are still unhandled, although I made the reports 3 weeks ago.

[hosseinimr93]

I have now over 300 reports, but I don't see which ones are the ones handled and which are not handled... I can see just the overall percentages for good, bad and unhandled ones (it shows I have 385 reports, 84% accuracy, 84 good, 16 bad and 285 unhandled)... Is this how it's supposed to be? I thought I could see the status for each reported post...

To become able to access your report history, you must reach 300 good reports not 300 reports in total.

[nakamura12]

So there seems to be an error. If I reported 100 (or 103; don't remember exactly) and I have an accuracy of 34%, this should mean that 34 posts were deleted. However, only 8 were deleted, which means 8%. Why?

Similar thing happened to me few days ago. I reported bunch of posts, and according to post history reports were marked as good, but they were not deleted at all. So after 24 hours or so i reported them again, an this time they were deleted. I guess mods simply forgot to delete them in the first place. I made post about it in Spambusters thread.

It is only normal that mods forgot to delete the posts that are reported and marked as good since there are many posts that are being deleted and don't forget there are other posts that are reported so, I would say that they have more work to do because of the posts being reported.

[Rikafip]

I have now over 300 reports, but I don't see which ones are the ones handled and which are not handled... I can see just the overall percentages for good, bad and unhandled ones (it shows I have 385 reports, 84% accuracy, 84 good, 16 bad and 285 unhandled)... Is this how it's supposed to be? I thought I could see the status for each reported post...

As hosseinimr93  told you, you need 300 good reports in order to get access to report history, but keep in mind that even when you get it, it will only show posts reported in the last 30 days, so unless you reach that number fast, I think that you won't be able to see those posts that you reported 3 weeks ago. So if you really want to reach 300 good reports asap, I suggest you check this list with few dozens projects that hired bumping service and find some thread and report posts in bulk. There are some straight up scams on the list like Coinsbit, Goldario, PZM etc.

But I must say, since 3 weeks passed, chances of your posts getting deleted are slim to none. I hope I'm wrong, but that was my experience so far.

[malevolent]

It is only normal that mods forgot to delete the posts that are reported and marked as good since there are many posts that are being deleted and don't forget there are other posts that are reported so, I would say that they have more work to do because of the posts being reported.

Mistakes happen but I don't think it's a very frequent occurrence.

But I must say, since 3 weeks passed, chances of your posts getting deleted are slim to none. I hope I'm wrong, but that was my experience so far.

I think unhandled reports disappear after two weeks or so, so no moderator can handle it after that and it will forever remain unhandled.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you for the details. But do they disappear only on mods side or also on my side? I am asking because I can still see them as unhandled.

Besides, what is the best approach in a situation like this? Should I just forget about the previous reports? Or should I renew all the old reports (meaning to report again all the previous posts)? Any suggestion, please?

[Welsh]

Thank you for the details. But do they disappear only on mods side or also on my side? I am asking because I can still see them as unhandled.

Besides, what is the best approach in a situation like this? Should I just forget about the previous reports? Or should I renew all the old reports (meaning to report again all the previous posts)? Any suggestion, please?

They'll appear unhandled on your side.

Ummm....situational. Some reports are purposely left unhandled as that's actually the best way of handling it rather than giving someone a good report or a bad one. So, your reports may have been handled (or unhandled ) in that way. Hence its usually considered for unhandled reports to be a "soft" bad. However, if you're absolutely convinced they need to be removed or the user needs to be handled with you can try reporting it again, or contact a moderator for clarification.

[mikhailr]

Thank you for the details. But do they disappear only on mods side or also on my side? I am asking because I can still see them as unhandled.

Besides, what is the best approach in a situation like this? Should I just forget about the previous reports? Or should I renew all the old reports (meaning to report again all the previous posts)? Any suggestion, please?

You can send only one report on per post that violates the rules.
If you send two reports to the same post, then 1 report will be marked as “Good” 2 report will be marked as “Bad”

[GazetaBitcoin]

Mprep already explained that on the first page of the topic (the 15th post). However, from what I understand from malevolent (three posts above yours), the unhandled reports older than 2 weeks are not seen by mods anymore, thus if I'd report again the respective posts there should be no reason for flagging them as duplicates and, as a consequence, "bad". Besides, Welsh (who posted right above you), said that I can report again the old unhandled posts, without saying anything about the chance to be considered duplicates and "bad", as a consequence for being duplicates.

[BITCOIN4X]

You can send only one report on per post that violates the rules.
If you send two reports to the same post, then 1 report will be marked as “Good” 2 report will be marked as “Bad”

What about reports that are not handled, is that also a bad report or is the report no longer visible to the mod ?
So far, I have had a number of reports that have not been handled and as far as I can remember they have been a long time, maybe a few months ago.

[mikhailr]

You can send only one report on per post that violates the rules.
If you send two reports to the same post, then 1 report will be marked as “Good” 2 report will be marked as “Bad”

What about reports that are not handled, is that also a bad report or is the report no longer visible to the mod ?
So far, I have had a number of reports that have not been handled and as far as I can remember they have been a long time, maybe a few months ago.

If the report is marked "unhandled" then this means that it has not yet been processed.
Or no moderator wants to make decisions on it. This is a controversial report that cannot be categorized as Good or Bad.

In any case, only moderators can give a more complete answer.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you for the details. But do they disappear only on mods side or also on my side?

They'll appear unhandled on your side.

Meanwhile I reached to have more than 300 good reports, meaning I can now see all my reports and all their statuses. From what Welsh said above, I understood that I should still see the reports made a while ago, including my first reports - which are the ones made for goanadupabitcoin and Nea Sandu, which determined the apparition of this topic.

However, now that I have access to see all my reports, these ones are not showing at all. The oldest report I can see is one from April 30th, while the ones for goanadupabitcoin and Nea Sandu were made on April 16th or so. Unless the old unhandled reports disappear also on the reporter's side, what could happen with these reports of mine? Could it be that they were deleted for some reason (action which makes me think even more that the respective two users are protected by Cyrus)?

From all the other members which have unhandled reports made a long time ago: do you still see them in the reports log?

[Welsh]

From all the other members which have unhandled reports made a long time ago: do you still see them in the reports log?

As far as I can remember (I haven't looked at that page in a long while) it only shows reports up to 30 days. I might be wrong on that exact number, but it doesn't show your entire history of reports. This would make sense if those reports were reported on the 16 of April, as its now the 22nd of May (Pizza day!).

This is something that I should look at putting in my reporting effectively guide once  I update it.

[Rikafip]

From all the other members which have unhandled reports made a long time ago: do you still see them in the reports log?

Report history will only let you see reported post in last 30 days, and since those reports were made on April 16th, that means they are not visible anymore. And by the way, congrats on reaching 300 good reports, now it should be a bit easier to track these stuff. I know it was for me.

Could it be that they were deleted for some reason

Well, you can see how many good/bad/unhandled posts you have, and if that unhandled number is still high, that means those posts are still there. With that being said, I experienced few times that post was marked as unhandled, while it was actually crossed on the list, so it means it was deleted. Some kind of glitch i guess.

[Welsh]

Well, you can see how many good/bad/unhandled posts you have, and if that unhandled number is still high, that means those posts are still there. With that being said, I experienced few times that post was marked as unhandled, while it was actually crossed on the list, so it means it was deleted. Some kind of glitch i guess.

I haven't experimented with this, but I'm guessing this is either because the report was removed from the report queue after a certain amount of time (I believe 2 weeks), and then was deleted by a moderator after that fact it caused the report to still show up in your report history because it goes back 30 days, but reports that haven't been handled in the report queue are removed before 30 days.

Again, I haven't exactly experimented with this, and I haven't confirmed the 2 week period.

[hosseinimr93]

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It seems that, even if unhandled reports are removed from the report queue after a certain amount time, they are considered in calculations forever. Now I have 9 unhandled reports, while there is no unhandled report in my report history.

[Welsh]

It seems that, even if unhandled reports are removed from the report queue after a certain amount time, they are considered in calculations forever. Now I have 9 unhandled reports, while there is no unhandled report in my report history.

Interesting, if that's the case I'm not entirely sure what causes the unhandled, but deleted scenario. I'll try to figure out the root cause for this. Are you sure that these reports were removed from the report queue though? Unless, I'm missing understanding your statement.

My idea was;

1. User reports post
2. Report is not handled for more than 2 weeks
3. Report disappears in report queue
4. Post is either reported again, and deleted or just deleted outright for whatever reason
5. The report made by the initial user still remains unhandled, but shows up as a striked through entry in their report history

[hosseinimr93]

Interesting, if that's the case I'm not entirely sure what causes the unhandled, but deleted scenario. I'll try to figure out the root cause for this. Are you sure that these reports were removed from the report queue though?

The only thing I am sure about is that, these unhandled reports have not been made in the last 30 days. Because they are not shown in my report history. But they are considered in number of unhandled reports.
Now I have 9 unhandled reports, but I cannot find them in my report history.

Assuming unhandled reports are removed after a certain time, number of my unhandled reports should be zero. But it's 9.

[o_e_l_e_o]

As far as I can remember (I haven't looked at that page in a long while) it only shows reports up to 30 days. I might be wrong on that exact number, but it doesn't show your entire history of reports.

30 days is correct.

Assuming unhandled reports are removed after a certain time, number of my unhandled reports should be zero. But it's 9.

They aren't removed. Reports which have disappeared from the reporting queue but are still unhandled will remain unhandled forever, and will always show up in your individual statistics. Even if the post in question gets deleted in the future, or even if you report the same post a second time and the second report is acted upon, the status of your original report (which is no longer visible to the mods) won't change and it will still show up as unhandled in your statistics.

[Welsh]

There ya go, o_e_l_e_o puts it in better English than I ever could. The issue with being Welsh is you speak Wenglish rather that English. I think my assumption was correct judging on o_e_l_e_o response too. It makes sense in my head anyway, as for a report to be marked good or bad it needs to be at least handled. If its disappeared from the report queue due to expiring then it won't technically be handled even if the post itself was deleted down the line.

Most unhandled reports would have at least been seen by a staff member though. I'd say its pretty rare for a report to go missed these days unless its in a section where there's no dedicated moderator, and especially so if its a local section. Sometimes the best way of handling a report is leaving it unhandled. Its neither good nor bad, and this can vary widely depending on the staff member reviewing it.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I come back on this thread, as I have a few good reports which were flagged as good 16 days ago but still, the posts of the respective users are not deleted. Only one of them was deleted so far.



I thought that maybe the mod which analyzed the respective reports (and flagged them as good) forgot to also delete them and thus, if he would see this post, maybe the posts will be deleted. Also, soon (in about 2 weeks from now on) these posts will disappear from my post history (as only the posts from the past 30 days are visible in the report history) and if they won't be deleted by then, maybe I would report them again, forgetting that I already reported them and this time they would be flagged as bad for being duplicates.

Can any mod take a look, please? Thank you.

[hosseinimr93]

The moderator who handled those reports decided to lock topics instead of removing them. That's why your reports were marked as good but post were not deleted. Good doesn't always mean delete.
Most likely, that's because some other users have joined the discussions.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Oh, I see. Thank you very much for the clarification, hosseinimr93. It sounds reasonable. But how can you know that the respective topics were closed by a moderator and not by the OP? Is there any way to actually see who locked a topic? I am not aware of such possibility.

[hosseinimr93]

Oh, I see. Thank you very much for the clarification, hosseinimr93. It sounds reasonable. But how can you know that the respective topics were closed by a moderator and not by the OP? Is there any way to actually see who locked a topic? I am not aware of such possibility.

It's not possible to find out whether the topic has been locked by a moderator or by the poster. But since your reports are marked as good and those topics are now locked, that's likely the case.
That has happened to my reports many times when reporting mega-spam threads and also reporting duplicate topics while there are discussions on both of topics.  

[GazetaBitcoin]

I understand now. Thank you again for your kind explanation. Most likely, the same happened with these topic reported by me.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Does anyone have any idea how this can happen?



As you can see, I reported some (of the ridicule) posts of Excimer. All but one have been marked as good. Several of them were from the topic flag @suchmoon / proof that suchmoon is a Chinese communist that trolls users, including the one flagged as bad. All the good reports are already deleted and the aqppear now with strikethrough font.

However, the bad one appears also with strikethrough font and, very interesting, it has also been deleted. Is it possible that the mod which analyzed this particular post by mistake flagged it as bad instead of good, considering that the post was deleted after the report and that it appears now with strikethrough font

[Chikito]

Does anyone have any idea how this can happen?

Maybe you had already reported before, I mean you did twice.

[GazetaBitcoin]

No, all the posts from that topic are included in this screenshot. And all the posts are different...that's why I was wondering how that could happen. Actually, the screenshot contains all the reports I made for this user.

Yesterday the post wasn't deleted yet (it didn't appear with strikethrough), but it was flagged as bad and I could access it. Meanwhile it was deleted, but the flag remained set to "bad".

[Rikafip]

Does anyone have any idea how this can happen?

Is it possible that the mod which analyzed this particular post by mistake flagged it as bad instead of good, considering that the post was deleted after the report and that it appears now with strikethrough font

I've seen things like that happening in my report history too. Sometimes it was the opposite thing, report was marked good, but post not deleted. To be honest, I wanted to ask about that before, but then somehow I forgot. Eventually I stopped noticing those little "glitches" or whatever you want to call them.

I think that you might be right that it's simply a mistake. Afaik, posts are deleted manually so I wouldn't be surprised if mods make a mistake once in a while, marking reports wrong or not deleting posts that they planned to delete. Especially considering the amount of reports they review each day.

[Chikito]

Yesterday the post wasn't deleted yet (it didn't appear with strikethrough), but it was flagged as bad and I could access it. Meanwhile it was deleted, but the flag remained set to "bad".

Seems the moderator has changed her mind and deleted that post today but forget to mark as good.

Do not worry about your accuracy too much; one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports.

[hosseinimr93]

Does anyone have any idea how this can happen?

This has happened to my reports many times.
I guess that a moderator marked your report as bad and didn't delete the post. After a short time, that post was reported by another user and this time was deleted.

As stated by Rikafip, it can be a human error as well.

[GazetaBitcoin]

To be honest, I wanted to ask about that before, but then somehow I forgot.

Actually I asked that too, a few posts upper than this one Apparently, in that case of mine, as hosseinimr93 observed, the reported topics got locked by mods.

Besides, I observed also another instance when posts are flagged as good but they are not deleted: this also seems to happen when the respective user gets banned. I reported many users which got banned and they reported posts were flagged as good, but got never deleted. Perhaps it was work in vain, since the users were already banned.

And yes, I also observed cases when the users don't get banned, the reported posts are flagged as good but still don't get deleted -- but these cases were rare though.

As stated by Rikafip, it can be a human error as well.

Oh well, if the mod which analyzed this report of mine sees these posts, maybe he will change the status of that particular post. Let's hope for the best

Thank you all for sharing your opinions again.

[malevolent]

Oh well, if the mod which analyzed this report of mine sees these posts, maybe he will change the status of that particular post. Let's hope for the best

Thank you all for sharing your opinions again.

Only Adminstrators can change report statuses. Could have been a mis-click, or perhaps another mod visited that thread later and decided to remove the post.

[suchmoon]

Yesterday the post wasn't deleted yet (it didn't appear with strikethrough), but it was flagged as bad and I could access it. Meanwhile it was deleted, but the flag remained set to "bad".

Is it in modlog? Maybe the user deleted it.

[hosseinimr93]

Is it in modlog? Maybe the user deleted it.

That's not the case.
I just checked modlog and found out why that report was marked as bad.

The post in question had been made in this topic.
According to Loyce.club, Excimer had made two posts in that topic. (Look at the image below.)


Loyce.club

And both of them have been deleted by moderators. (Look at the image below).  


modlog

Given the image posted by GazetaBitcoin, he had reported at least three posts made by Excimer in that topic.
So, that report has been marked as bad due to being duplicate.

[hilariousandco]

However, the bad one appears also with strikethrough font and, very interesting, it has also been deleted. Is it possible that the mod which analyzed this particular post by mistake flagged it as bad instead of good, considering that the post was deleted after the report and that it appears now with strikethrough font

If a post is handled then the report cannot be changed after that other than by an admin, so one mod could mark it as handled or bad and another mod could then remove the post but the originally handling of it won't change. It's possible a mod made a mistake or maybe even the user removed that post (probably less likely though). Either way I wouldn't worry about one report.

[suchmoon]

So, that report has been marked as bad due to being duplicate.

That would make sense. It's interesting though that the post was flagged as bad but not deleted at first.

[GazetaBitcoin]

So, that report has been marked as bad due to being duplicate.

That would make sense. It's interesting though that the post was flagged as bad but not deleted at first.

Uhm...prior seeing this I could swear it wasn't a duplicate... Very interesting. It was my mistake then. Thanks for finding this out, hosseinimr93!

Either way I wouldn't worry about one report.

It seems it was my mistake after all, although I still don't realize how this was possible. But I'll follow your suggestion and not worry too much about it.