ALL EYES ON SWEDEN

[BADecker]

Hot mic at the White House!; Sweden’s gamble pays off; Scientists, Doctors, Journalists, and Politicians agree on the Lockdown Calamity.

EDIT: Thanks, tvbcof.

and meanwhile
at 43minutes into the video. bigtree does bad maths
even at bigtree's 50x factor
firstly 43million of GUESSED infected(untested) is only 13% population

so 48k deaths of 13% =369k deaths of 100%
also you need to factor in that if isolation didnt slow it down to 13% currently
if more and more people got it. hospitals would be over run. meaning even more deaths because people are unable to get a hospital bed to get air and treatment. so the numbers would be higher than 369k

..
big tree is trying to use the effectiveness of self isolation. as the reason why its not bad. but saying it was never going to be bad.
he has no clue about maths

and he will be eating his own words when ACTUAL studies show that its not a 50x factor. but a lower factor meaning less people have it asymptomatically than he projects. meaning more people yet to get it. meaning more people yet to get sick and potentially die

learn the whole point of the self isolation
its not some magic pil of assymptomatic magic. its slowing/preventing the spread because loads of people were getting sick

its kind of funny how even if bigtree multiplies numbers by 50. its still leaves alot of dead people

People dead? When did such a thing as death ever stop? But probably far less than the standard flu year.

[franky1]

badecker just answer this one personal question

what business not running has hindered you personally.
i mean dont go grabbing a script about general liberties of general population
be specific and independantly thinking for once.

explain a few things that you done in january/february. which you cant yourself now do.
again dont go grabbing info of there experience. tell me what lifestyle changes has impacted you..


ill give you an example
i used to travel the world alot. but now im stuck in the UK, and predict to be for most of the year. i have not visited family because i dont want to pass anything to them and i dont want them passing anything to me.

but i can still go to the store, yep i went to a store recently and bought new pillows, and gardening stuff. some clothes, a new microwave. and i had a haircut

now give me some of your own independant and personal experiences. of what in your life are missing, enough to put other people at risk for


and one last thing. ohio protestors at 12th-april+ and ohio has a hospital admission spike of ~300 a day march-april13th
to 1300 april 19th

yep i seen that coming

[Gyfts]

Not sure how the "truth" can be uncovered when we won't truly know whether herd immunity actually works compared to social distancing. The U.S. will be the world's largest guinea pig in regards to social distancing because whether it works or not is the question about a second wave resulting in an influx in cases in the winter time. Trump's coronavirus task force press conference introduce some research today indicating that sunlight is able to kill the virus so presumably the summer will see a large decrease in confirmed cases.

My money's on herd immunity. Second wave is inevitable.

[franky1]

depends what you define as 'works'
herd immunity with no isolation will cause mega deaths.
hospitals wont cope

isolation delays the spread. it doesnt make people immune. it just delays when people get it. just to take pressure off hospitals in 4 month and spreads it across many months.

the thing is. if people do become immune. no one knows if thats just for 3months or a year
meaning this whole thing can happen again next year or even just a few months

yep some people get the flu a few times a year

also people who recovered.. but done so with damaged lungs. this makes them weaker next year and less able to fight it off again next year

but ofcourse some silly fools think that there is no issue no one is hurt and no more problems for another decade.

[Saisher]

I can see that they are more disciplined people than the rest of the world. I have a relative living in Sweden and they are safe and sound. I hope all the countries are like this or we need to chip humanity just to contain another pandemic.

Their is stat is not that good
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Coronavirus Cases:
16,755
Deaths:
2,021
Recovered:
550

No one can live in a safe and sound environment as long as there is no cure for this virus they are not flattening the curve, if this goes higher they cannot cope up, even if they have a good medical system.

[franky1]

also to add
sweden decided on lax restrictions based a model where by for every positive test 1000 were asymptomatic(untested)..
but this was debunked 2 days ago when they realised. based on real maths that a city of 1 milion people.. would have 6 million people infected..
yep bad math you cant have 6 million people infected if there are only 1million physical people.

so now they are revising the maths.
and yet to do actual proper antibody tests...

but i still laugh at california's antibody test
"A California serology study of 3300 people released last week in a preprint also drew strong criticisms. The lead authors of the study, Jay Bhattacharya and Eran Bendavid, who study health policy at Stanford University, worked with colleagues to recruit the residents of Santa Clara county through ads on Facebook. Fifty antibody tests were positive—about 1.5%. But after adjusting the statistics to better reflect the county’s demographics, the researchers concluded that between 2.49% and 4.16% of the county’s residents had likely been infected. "

so america 330m has 5mill infected not recorded
or doing playful maths of 2.49-4.16
is 8.29m-13.7m

yep no where near badeckers influencer bigtrees numbers of 40mill

its real funy because
even as far back as january february it were estimating
30% asymptomatic. 50% mild <- not tested due to not sick enough to go to hospital

which is much closer math than bigtree's bad math.

i think a 10%-20% severity is about right. and it depends if its in an area of younger population or high density population which can increase the viral load, and ofcourse those that suffer and die at home avoiding hospital/having a DNR on care plan

but if you take this 10-20% that need hospital and realise that there is not enough hospital beds for 10-20% .. people need to see the reason for isolation to delay the influx of severe patients

[franky1]

the pro's and cons of face masks are this

pro:
1. if someone is within 2 metres of you and coughs on your face with mouth open. a mask will stop it entering your mouth
2. if you have corona and you cough. the mask you wear catches it

now to explain.
1. by not being within 2 metres of someone negates the need
2. if you have corona and symptomatic. stay home or go to hospital if severe

now the cons
1. supply/demand makes it hard to get/expensive. thus less supplies for nurses that need it because they cant avoid being near the sick
2. regular people are stupid they will adjust it for comfort and when talking to people to not muffle their voice
3. adjusting it/taking it off means your hand is touching your face more often then usual
4. those wearing a mask suddenly think they are immortal and safe to take other risks like standing close to people
5. they stop washing hands and touch things because they think the mask blocks it from entering their mouth. but(see con 2)

so the best advice is
stay 2 metres apart. dont touch random things or if you do wash hands regularly. plus the thing you touch. and if sick. stay home or go to hospital if severe

only urban area's where its hard to stay away from people should wear it.
EG a city block of apartments where hundreds of people take their daiiy exercise has a more pro than say someone living in the open air land of arizona

feel free to make your own mask. but just remember this one rule. STOP TOUCHING YOUR FACE

[greenlanternlight01]

Is Sweden throwing caution to the wind and ignoring social distancing or are they being reasonable during the pandemic? The HighWire went to Sweden to get to the truth.


ALL EYES ON SWEDEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78HEUFjzOW4

Sweden has always been one of the top countries to live in. Even in this pandemic, Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. I think the government has done a great job and its people are really disciplined I can say that.

[franky1]

Sweden has always been one of the top countries to live in. Even in this pandemic, Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. I think the government has done a great job and its people are really disciplined I can say that.

sweden are about a month behind. they didnt really get many infected until march where as america had them in february..
just this week sweden are seeing their numbers rise and starting to realise they might need to tighten the rules

[BADecker]

I had always considered Sweden to be an unfree country because of their socialism. But now I see that they are a smart country because they recognized that Coronavirus is simply a common flu type of disease. So they didn't go to all kinds of extremes like most other countries.

The problem with their numbers of cases and deaths from Covid-19 is, their doctors still recognize the world medical community. This means that their doctors are reporting a whole lot of CV deaths that aren't really CV deaths, just like the rest of the world. How do we know? Because they have admitted, worldwide, their tests are inaccurate. And they have admitted, worldwide, that their medical heads have told the doctors to report Covid-19 no matter what the disease is.

[Jeremy Franklin]

I can see that they are more disciplined people than the rest of the world. I have a relative living in Sweden and they are safe and sound. I hope all the countries are like this or we need to chip humanity just to contain another pandemic.

What we see in Sweden is a highly dangerous experiment. No one can know at this point what the outcome will be. We might see less deaths, but we might also see a huge raise in a second wave this fall. So don't judge to early guys.

[franky1]

I had always considered Sweden to be an unfree country because of their socialism. But now I see that they are a smart country because they recognized that Coronavirus is simply a common flu type of disease. So they didn't go to all kinds of extremes like most other countries.

The problem with their numbers of cases and deaths from Covid-19 is, their doctors still recognize the world medical community. This means that their doctors are reporting a whole lot of CV deaths that aren't really CV deaths, just like the rest of the world. How do we know? Because they have admitted, worldwide, their tests are inaccurate. And they have admitted, worldwide, that their medical heads have told the doctors to report Covid-19 no matter what the disease is.

badecker i already debunked your conspiracy about the ICD-10 death certificates. you are so ignorant.

heck even bigtree debunked himself by featuring the document that talked about how a death certificate was to be filled out and it actually said list the symptoms in order of last first and also include as much info as possible and test samples, results scans etc

but hey blind people cant even read the very info presented to them. they just believe stupid idiots that say 'its fake'

[BADecker]

I had always considered Sweden to be an unfree country because of their socialism. But now I see that they are a smart country because they recognized that Coronavirus is simply a common flu type of disease. So they didn't go to all kinds of extremes like most other countries.

The problem with their numbers of cases and deaths from Covid-19 is, their doctors still recognize the world medical community. This means that their doctors are reporting a whole lot of CV deaths that aren't really CV deaths, just like the rest of the world. How do we know? Because they have admitted, worldwide, their tests are inaccurate. And they have admitted, worldwide, that their medical heads have told the doctors to report Covid-19 no matter what the disease is.

badecker i already debunked your conspiracy about the ICD-10 death certificates. you are so ignorant.

It's okay. Since you mostly debunk yourself with your so-called debunking, we can accept your ramblings easily enough.

[BADecker]

I never cared much for Sweden because of their liberalism and socialism. But you can admire them for "sticking together" in this fake-CV pandemic, which is really a media-caused pandemic. Watch the video in the linked site below.


If Sweden is so wrong to keep pubs open why is its health chief's face the tattoo everyone wants? ASKS IAN GALLAGHER

There were endless pints of Guinness and London Pride bitter, while rules about not standing at the bar and ensuring a 5ft distance between tables were scrupulously observed.

Unsurprisingly, Covid-19 monopolised conversation, but it was a convivial evening nonetheless. Wobbling slightly, an elderly customer sauntered off at closing time with a tune on his lips.

Those minded to dial a shop- a-neighbour hotline should rest easy, for this Tudor Arms is not in the UK, but is a British-themed pub in Stockholm. In Sweden, the rules are different. It refuses to join the rest of the world in harsh quarantine.

Children are still in school, bars and restaurants are open, as are garden centres and shops; crowds of up to 50 are allowed, and no one is chastised for sunbathing, sitting on park benches or daring to flee to countryside boltholes.

It is a strategy aimed at allowing some exposure to the disease to build immunity among the general population, while protecting the vulnerable and ensuring hospitals are not overwhelmed.

[BADecker]

While the lockdown isn't officially over in Arizona, people can do just about anything that they want. An underground market is springing up. The only bad part for Sweden is, they will have to quarantine their whole nation from the rest of the world just to avoid the world lockdowns.


GAME OVER: The Swedish - Belarus COVID Herd Immunity Strategy Has Won

They had no symptoms or so little they did not even know they had it. Some 1,500 died, mortality 0.25%. In tough competition, the seasonal flu is still leading. 0.25% is share of those infected, the mortality to the whole population would be 0.015%, which would make the seasonal flu win hands down.

Hope when Putin hears about this today he orders Mayor Sobyanin to tear down his cybergulag, as fun as he might have in experimenting in hype technology and people's lives.

Today, the Public Health Authority presented a new study that estimates that one third of everyone in Stockholm County will be infected with sars-cov-2 on May 1st this year. There will be about 600,000 people.

Many unconfirmed cases

The study is a mathematical modeling of the spread of the virus in Stockholm County. It is based partly on the so-called Stockholm study that was conducted a few weeks ago when randomly tested 700 Stockholmers and partly the new infected cases that are reported daily.

[fortunecrypto]

I can see that they are more disciplined people than the rest of the world. I have a relative living in Sweden and they are safe and sound. I hope all the countries are like this or we need to chip humanity just to contain another pandemic.

What we see in Sweden is a highly dangerous experiment. No one can know at this point what the outcome will be. We might see less deaths, but we might also see a huge raise in a second wave this fall. So don't judge to early guys.

Yes it is dangerous but they already reach the highs of it and they are trying to build the herd immunity in their own words this virus cannot be eradicated but they can only be managed, check this very interesting article on how Sweden managed this virus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8257353/Swedens-virus-expert-popular-people-getting-FACE-tattoo.html

[franky1]

randomly tested 700 Stockholmers and partly the new infected cases that are reported daily.

2.5% tested positive
so the mortality rate is 0.x% but thats just while only 2.5% of people have got covid.
this means the number of deaths will rise with the more people that get it. to the tune of 40x
so that turns a 0.x% mortality into a x.x% mortality

yes the whole was that the percentage of 'mild symptomatic'/assymptomatic would be higher. whereby people developed antibodies without any/severe symptoms.. but now they are realising that not many are getting it.
this is because people are social distancing
now with the death rate being what it is at 2.5% spread. multiply the death rate by 40 and thats what you'll expect at full population spread.

infact. with there being more 'sufferers' that need hospital, than that of those that die.. multiply it by 10 and thats how many hospital admittances (400x of current deaths). and you start to grasp the concept of hospital bed/supply/capacity issues.

and if a hospital does become over whelmed. guess what more people end up dying untreated

i know badecker cant google and definetly cant google translate
so here it is
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/f/forekomsten-av-covid-19-i-region-stockholm-26-mars3-april-2020/
"The report reports the result of a self-sampling of covid-19 in the Stockholm region during the period March 26 and April 3, 2020. The results show that approximately 2.5% of Stockholmers carried SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes covid-19. , in the upper respiratory tract at the time of the examination. The survey included 738 invited participants aged 2 to 86 who performed self-sampling at home and reported any symptoms via a survey."

..
reference of the study also includes a study in austra of over a 1300 samples. of which only 0.32% had antibodies.

all of this just shows what i have said for many weeks. this is the calm before the storm.

so santa clara california 1.5%
so stockholm sweden 2.5%
so austria 0.32%

and yet badecker thinks 99% of people have and it and its time to go back to business as usual and the whole pandemic is over with (facepalm)

badeckeker if you were warned of 100mph winds. and so far only felt 2.5mph would you say the storm hasnt started yet or try to convince yourself the storm is over

as for belarus
well china was reporting from their 50th case in a day early january.. america was reporting their 50th case feb 24th
belarus only has its 50th case in a day on march 19th
yep belarus is not even feeling the breeze yet
in comparison swedens 50th case per day was march 4th

so belarus is not ahead of sweden in recovery. its actualy a couple weeks behind
belarus is actually tightening up not loosening.
as is sweden

[BADecker]

randomly tested 700 Stockholmers and partly the new infected cases that are reported daily.

2.5% tested positive
so the mortality rate is 0.x% but thats just while only 2.5% of people have got covid.
this means the number of deaths will rise with the more people that get it. to the tune of 40x
so that turns a 0.x% mortality into a x.x% mortality

Thanks again, franky1, for advertising for me. Did you notice in your article you found? Did you see the word "self-sampling?" So, the people sampled themselves at home, and decided if they had or didn't have CV.

I just want to thank you for using this kind of self-examination type of checking for CV, to show that the university studies that showed antibodies in thousands that were tested, has to be accurate, because it was done by professionals looking for the truth.


And this message is for any of franky1's peers. Please don't be too hard on him. After all, he is really working in your best interest... right franky1?

BTW, we are finding out that we are "cleaner," even, than Sweden...


Pennsylvania Forced To Remove HUNDREDS Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count...

The PA health department decided to include "probable" coronavirus deaths, or an assumed COVID-19-related death without testing for the virus, to their death tolls, dating back days and even weeks ago. But the death toll spike raised questions from coroners who came forward to highlight a discrepancy in death totals, which were not adding up to the number of all-cause deaths.

The scrutiny triggered multiple revisions and statements from the department, including the removal of 200 "probable" COVID-19 deaths and a claim of computer "glitching."

"Pennsylvania started to include 'probable deaths' in its fatalities. As a result, the total number of coronavirus deaths grew by 276, then 360, in successive nights, almost doubling the number of deaths in the state in two days," a Fox News report explained.

[franky1]

and that debunks your other topic claim..
the things like hospices. most countries and states dont include the hospice deaths. pensylvania temporarily did then retracted it . and instead sticking to only included covid19 positive tests.

thus debunking your whole premise that no one in stats is tested.

this is getting funny that you end up using a second claim that debunks the first claim.
maybe try to catch up on which script your reading and pasting so you dont trip up on yourself as much

[BADecker]

and that debunks your other topic claim..
the things like hospices. most countries and states dont include the hospice deaths. pensylvania temporarily did then retracted it . and instead sticking to only included covid19 positive tests.

thus debunking your whole premise that no one in stats is tested.

this is getting funny that you end up using a second claim that debunks the first claim.
maybe try to catch up on which script your reading and pasting so you dont trip up on yourself as much

I know. It's difficult for you. But thank you, franky1, for advertising for me anyway.

It's almost embarrassing for me when you put words into my mouth. I know that you have to do this sometimes, just to hide from the fact that you are really supporting me. So, should I contradict you, or embrace you? Mostly I am showing people what others have said. I might make a remark about it. But just because others say something, doesn't mean anybody has quizzed me on my personal beliefs.

The point about testing isn't that nobody is tested. The point is that the tests are inconclusive for several reasons, including the one in the website that I think you are referring to - https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=145574. If you are referring to some other website, please clarify.

Actually, I don't think anybody really knows if you are referring to me at all with your above quoted post. Maybe I shouldn't be so assuming. But, if you were, thanks for the advertising. We know how hard it is to remain formally against the idea that CV is a hoax, and yet advertise on behalf of people who understand it is a hoax. You are doing a remarkable job of this.