China US Trade war next level

[akram143]

China might be winning the current "economy battle" as a result of Covid, there's no chance they'll win a trade war with the US, and they know it.  The technology in question is American, but China is not the only country where American companies can manufacture stuff affordably.  Any retaliatory measures the Chinese can take will only cause more damage to their economy in the long run.

China has the upper hand in all instances.
Even if there is an economy battle China is the biggest manufactured-producer in the world so this economic start for all countries is going to make a positive impact at China at first.

But most of the companies are not from China, so they will move to other countries if this things get into extreme so China will be getting more affected compared to US if companies started to move out.

[Vod]

You are entitled to you own opinion. You are not entitled to your own reality.

Billions of people live in their own reality Dr. Techy, as you do.  Again, it's "do as I say, not as I do". 

[DireWolfM14]

You're the one desperately trying to make a connection, where none exists.  Let me spell it out for you: It's quite possible for me to suspect that the Obama administration conspired to fabricate a crime to pin on Michael Flynn without believing there's some super-secret, uber-powerful, international mafia pulling the strings.  There's reasonable evidence to support the former, but only fantasy supporting the latter.  Despite your efforts to make it appear otherwise, there's no contradiction in my position.

You're like a child who's stubbornly digging in his heals once his argument has been dismissed.  Now you're following me around the P&S board, making off-topic posts in every thread in which I've made a post, desperately trying insinuate a contradiction.

It's not all about you and your ignorant theories.  And, please do keep in mind; I am entitled to disagree with you.

Yes, who ever heard of The Triads, or Chinese tongs right? Certainly just a myth. Mafias certainly aren't secret or powerful, and the CCP certainly isn't a gangster organization. This all is just as much of a myth as all the times the US was sold out for kickbacks under the Obama administration (not to mention the Clintons). After all, them selling out US national security to Chinese interests is unimaginable.

You are entitled to you own opinion. You are not entitled to your own reality.

Are you fucking kidding me?  Street gangs?  So which one of them was after General Flynn, the Triads or the Tongs, buahahahahahahaHA?  Okay, just keep digging those heals in deeper.  If you had brought up the Chinese government or business interest like Huawei, or something with SOME credibility I would actually engage in a meaningful discussion with you.  But it's obvious you're too stubborn to admit you were wrong and would rather continue fantasizing.  Now that you've gone off the deep end your just sounding like a complete moron.

[TECSHARE]

Are you fucking kidding me?  Street gangs?  So which one of them was after General Flynn, the Triads or the Tongs, buahahahahahahaHA?  Okay, just keep digging those heals in deeper.  If you had brought up the Chinese government or business interest like Huawei, or something with SOME credibility I would actually engage in a meaningful discussion with you.  But it's obvious you're too stubborn to admit you were wrong and would rather continue fantasizing.  Now that you've gone off the deep end your just sounding like a complete moron.

Calling the Triads a street gang is like calling Kraft a street vendor because ice cream trucks sell their products on the streets. These organizations are international, they are not like the Bloods, the Crips, or the Latin Kings. You want another good example? How about MS-13, another widely known international criminal organization that serve as criminal mercenaries and often do hit jobs for some of the scummier politicians here domestically.

The fact that you feel the need to  compare the CCP with a street gang demonstrates your intellectual dishonesty and your need to obfuscate the reality of international criminal organizations just so you can feel right rather than be correct. Pretending those huge corporate interests don't overlap with international criminal organization interests is just retarded, and I seriously doubt you believe that.

[BADecker]

The whole plan of the last few presidents was to take away American ability to manufacture for ourselves. Time to bring the jobs back.


A COVID Wakeup Call: Bring Essential American Industries Home from China

The COVID-19 pandemic is the straw that broke the camel's back. From ventilators and personal protective equipment to medicines, we've come to learn that China controls the production and distribution of these essential items. Large swaths of our economy are left without an industrial base to ramp up in times of crisis, even when doing so is a matter of life and death. Scrambling to have auto manufacturers produce ventilators during a pandemic has certainly clarified the crisis.

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The CCP has chosen the path of command agression without providing any form of recourse.  This means erstablishing state monopolies in order to tax the globe.

Our answer to this is real easy and it is not just about the USA as the threat is global.

We must confront the CCP with an extensive list of demands that include real recourse for all foreign partners.  While they are deciding what to do, we need  to transition all Global indiustry away from China.  This process takes time, but full access tp global credit systems for transiting industries will speed this up.  We want to also include clearly chinese owned industries as well.  Our opponent is the  CCP.

At the same time we must also confront Chinese faux ambitions in the South China Sea while also establishing a global UN operated continental shelf management commission that integrates the various stake holders.


By the way, do not sweat rare earths.    It is common for military thinkers to focus on this type of strategic shortfall.  Actual inventories are only at risk in the short term.  In an emergency, we can scare up known deposits overnight and begin mining mineral overnight.  Raw processing can drum up useful concentrates.

The problem with rare earths is in the final processing and this is what the Chinese have concentrated  under their control.  Again  they are now the main market as well.

Creating a backup is as simple as investing in it.  Inasmuch as it is done science, replication is quick at most.

My key point is that the global mining industry can do this rapidly in an emergency which sets regulations aside.  India alone can do this, Australia can do it and Canada can as well.  so can the USA and it already has an operating history somewhat in place.

[antonytar81]

Corporate warfare again

[Subbir]

I don't think this war goes to happen again We don't comply with war. Usually involves war to revive the country's economy but China is liable for all this If war breaks out China will suffer the foremost because there'll be nobody with China during this war. it'll do more damage to the economy and have a negative impact on the entire world.

[squatz1]

China US Trade War was in the news the other day before the market open on Tuesday (so Monday night). Peter Navarro (one of Trumps advisors on Trade) came out and said that the China trade deal was dead (or it a close source said it, whatever the media is using these days) --> Futures obviously plunged on the news.

I think around 15-20 mins later news came out that Trump is saying the deal is fully intact.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/china-trade-deal-is-over-says-white-house-adviser-navarro-amid-coronavirus-anger

God -- this is just a shitshow that shakes out some investors. Real interesting.

[madnessteat]

I don't think this war goes to happen again We don't comply with war. Usually involves war to revive the country's economy but China is liable for all this If war breaks out China will suffer the foremost because there'll be nobody with China during this war. it'll do more damage to the economy and have a negative impact on the entire world.

I think that this war has been going on for a long time, not only in terms of trade but also in terms of information. It can also not be completely ruled out that one of the powers does not use prohibited weapons such as bacteriological.