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May 20, 2020, 04:07:28 PM
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50 % premined  Cheesy

Yes, the entire basis of the quantitative adjustment for the currency is that there needs to be a money supply that can be tightened or eased at set intervals.  Where would these funds come from if we did not pre-mine?  This is explained in detail in Appendix B of the Official Whitepaper

These are the properties of the 50% pre-mine:

~33.33% (7,000,000 units) of the total money supply was pre-mined and is reserved for periodic OMO.   
~6.67% (1,400,000 XBR) of the total money supply was pre-mined and is allocated to team compensation.
  10% (2,100,000) of the total money supply was pre-mined and is allocated to ongoing operations (bounties, development, infrastructure, etc.). 

Here's a quick screenshot if you don't have time to download and review the whitepaper.



Obviously, it is tempting for a developer to print his or her own money; but the main benefits are lost if a development team overpowers market demand with its own self interested supply.  Strong control of ownership in our semi-centralized model is important since its almost certain that effective circulation will be reduced via quantitative tightening effort at some future point.  Lastly, it's important to compensate oneself and one's team with an amount more substantial than just walking around money should the project prove sustainable.

Lastly, Bitcoin Core was 0% "pre-mined" and Ripple Labs was 100% "pre-mined".  Both of those projects have found their niche and are objectively successful within the context of the modern cryptocurrency movement.  bitcoinR has merely split the difference and allocated the vast majority of the pre-mine to a long-run attempt to stabilize the price of XBR (+/- 15% from target) while allocating the minority of the pre-mine to sustaining operations via continued technical/procedural improvement and the motivation of the team.



Hi dev, this project sounds very interesting and quite new to cryptoworld. hope this project will get the success.I have an eye on it.

Thanks lorikate!  Keep an eye on the hashpower, it is not a perfect gauge of popularity, but it is at least a little nod to participation.  Here's the bitcoinR Block Explorer, the reason why the hashpower is important is because it represents a category of broader cost elements required for participation.

It stands to reason that one would not expend time, effort and cost-based electricity and machine depreciation to mine a currency that they did not assume would have a future monetary value.

So, by more than would be likely by just chance we think "this project will get the success."  Wink

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So far a Nice project,  It’s really good to see that this project is focusing on some risk factors along with manipulation of the currency price, let’s see how they could cover these factors.


Hey prettiestgirl,

Thanks for the kind words.  It should be noted that currency price "manipulation" and "stabilization" are very different objectives indeed, backed by wholly different intent.  A big advantage that we have is that we have been very transparent from the start and we have been careful not to commit any arbitrary actions.

We are telegraphing our actions far in advance via the outline of our Open Market Operations (OMO) in the whitepaper with the stated intent to adjust the currency for stability within a (+/- 15%) range of target to achieve the dual purpose of store-of-value stability and a triangular arbitrage price-range to encourage trading volume for liquidity purposes.   

For these reasons, I respectfully submit that our planned activities fall far outside the boundaries of "manipulation" and well within the boundaries of "stabilization".

So, thanks again for the nice post and sorry for the lecture.   Wink

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Why you don't make this cryptocurrency on CPU mining algo at first place?

Hey Kalin79-

Thanks for your continued interest.  We considered the possibility of a CPU-only algorithm like CryptoNight, but felt that widespread adoption of bitcoinR mining would be best accomplished by staying with SHA-256 for three reasons:

1.  Few individuals who mine with CPUs know much about hashing algorithms and are unlikely to prefer one over another.  They simply download and install a miner and await a block discovery.  The somewhat hesitant adoption of this in early April reinforced the case that most people weren't able to understand it.  We knew then we'd made the right decision using SHA-256 to eventually approach veteran miners.

2.  For those individuals who are veteran miners, we posited that they likely have access to equipment that they previously used to mine BTC and were unable to sell / liquidate via eBay or Amazon.  Due to the individually held backlog of SHA-256 mining equipment we envisioned a veteran mining cohort that could get going faster in the mining of XBR by redeploying this unused / obsolete BTC mining inventory.

3.  A substantial aggregate network hashpower, evenly spread over a great number of individuals or entities has a better chance of decreasing the probability of a 51% attack.

Once serious miners can get their heads around the hashpower and difficulty going up and up, they can assess what individual hashpower requirements will be necessary to mine a block individually or as part of a pool.  Smart miners will make an attempt to jump the queue at a discount by going to a place like eBay, Craigslist, Ganji, Xianyu and pick up a used Antminer S9 for less than $200 USD which should, at present, be adequate to mine XBR.  Some vendors on Alibaba will give miners a discount (<$100 each) if they buy massive quantities of 10 or more.

CPU mining of XBR is now largely a lost cause I'm afraid.  I updated and uploaded v.29 of the Official Whitepaper today to reflect this.

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The crypto concept has been a decentralized one from the start, i must confess your innovative centralized part of the project might be a hard nut to crack but with the tight team and hard work this may just be the idea we all have been looking for in the crypto space.
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pool  bitcoinR coin  https://smithpool.net

conf for miners (-a sha256 -o stratum+tcp://stratum.smithpool.net:3830 -u yourwalletaddress -p c=XBR)

example -a sha256 -o stratum+tcp://stratum.smithpool.net:3830 -u yourwalletaddress -p c=XBR,d=500000  or whatever you want

block explorer https://smithpool.net/explorer/XBR
 
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I am happy to contribute to this coin, I believe it can have a good future
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Read the whitepaper and deatailed everything.Belivable. how many people do you have in your team? all are the parteners?
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Pool Huh?


 My god man, years later your still on these shitcoins with the    " When Pool? When Pamp?" Cheesy   


Talk about dedication Cheesy



SHA-256? you wont get any long term miners, noobs will rent huge hash, raise your diff and leave you stranded unable to bust a block

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-a sha256d -o stratum+tcp://pool.bsod.pw:2664 -u <WALLET>.<WORKER>

You can mine this coin SOLO (what is it?) and PARTY (what is it?) on https://bsod.pw

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NOTICE: You can use eu for Europe, us for North America, asia for Asia and ru for Russia instead of pool in your .bat file or config

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May 20, 2020, 08:09:15 PM
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The crypto concept has been a decentralized one from the start, i must confess your innovative centralized part of the project might be a hard nut to crack but with the tight team and hard work this may just be the idea we all have been looking for in the crypto space.

Hey Moreen_ico,

Thanks for the encouragement.  I think we have the right team, we have Harvard trained economists and law scholars and MIT educated distributed computing experts.

They 100% believe in the project and are being paid in part with XBR.  We've been working together for two years before we made this ANN thread.  We are here to stay. 



I am happy to contribute to this coin, I believe it can have a good future

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but it doesn't appear as though your pool is targeted for XBR.  Your links indicate a currency called XRB.






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This is interesting, thank you for your enthusiasm.  Looks like a fairly well put together site.

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Read the whitepaper and deatailed everything.Belivable. how many people do you have in your team? all are the parteners?

Thank you.  Everyone that is on the bitcoinR team currently are on the bitcoinR.org website and are listed in the whitepaper. 

We had three former advisors who are no longer with the project, we are still on good terms with all three.  One was the former CTO of a large credit card company in the US, another was the Chief Information Officer of a high-frequency hedge fund who was a founding quant on the Goldman prop-trading desk and the last was a finance specialist from a publicly traded telecommunications company.  Since they are no longer with the project in any official capacity, they are no longer listed on the website or in the whitepaper.  In any event, our entity is not structured as a partnership.

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SHA-256? you wont get any long term miners, noobs will rent huge hash, raise your diff and leave you stranded unable to bust a block

RIP


Hey CjMapope,

Thanks for your note.  I appreciate you raising this concern; however, I don't understand entirely.

Our difficulty retargeting algorithm is set to 15 minutes; so even if the hashpower increases or decreases drastically, the difficulty will retarget within 15 minutes (every three blocks) and the miners who continue mining XBR will retain the ability to mine a block in approximately the same standard five-minute period.

This is all explained on page 10 of the Official Whitepaper.

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I am happy to contribute to this coin, I believe it can have a good future

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but it doesn't appear as though your pool is targeted for XBR.  Your links indicate a currency called XRB.


I am mortified I have changed the initials of the coin .. but the coin and your coin will fix the error immediately



all miners please change the abbreviation in the configuration from XRB to XBR for trouble-free mining



pool  bitcoinR   https://smithpool.net

conf for miners (-a sha256 -o stratum+tcp://stratum.smithpool.net:3830 -u yourwalletaddress -p c=XBR)

example -a sha256 -o stratum+tcp://stratum.smithpool.net:3830 -u yourwalletaddress -p c=XBR,d=500000  or whatever you want

block explorer https://smithpool.net/explorer/XBR
 
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now it's correct and all miners need to update their configuration

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is there any country restriction.those country who have banned crypto could they(country's people)
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I am happy to contribute to this coin, I believe it can have a good future

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but it doesn't appear as though your pool is targeted for XBR.  Your links indicate a currency called XRB.


I am mortified I have changed the initials of the coin .. but the coin and your coin will fix the error immediately

No problem, as you can see I made a mistake linking to the wrong github repository earlier in the thread. 

You might also check your links, as when I click on them, my browser indicates that it the site is blocked?

Lastly, if you could please limit your posts a bit so as not to overwhelm the thread. 

Thanks again for your enthusiastic participation, good luck mining XBR!

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As I read thid thread i think this is worthy enough.
By reading a lot of threat my mind is blowing.Many are shit .very few are reliable.The concept is amazing.
Because the regulation of goverment it will more reliable. Smiley

Thank you RUOFERTT-

We are hoping that our proactive compliance with the U.S. Government will show our commitment to integrity and transparency.

It certainly has not been simple trying to navigate the regulatory environment in the United States, but I do think the regulators have an open mind about crypto and are doing their level best to ensure people are not being scammed.

We appreciate and commend their work.

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is there any country restriction.those country who have banned crypto could they(country's people)
 invest in it?

Hi PARIVEENN,

This is a bit of a loaded question, so I'll preface my answer with the disclaimer that my response is not legal advice.

With that said, if a country has banned crypto then I imagine the citizens of that country cannot purchase or mine XBR since XBR is a cryptocurrency and they are ostensibly citizens of a country in which cryptocurrency is banned.  Either way, if they somehow purchase XBR from an AML/KYC exchange, they will necessarily need to divulge their identity and contact information.  So, at best, it seems very risky for a person in a country that has banned crypto to attempt to acquire XBR or any other crypto like XRP, ETH or BTC.

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With Bitcoin mining becoming highly centralized to miners who have expensive hardware, we certainly need new projects where people who don't have these expensive miners can still mine the coins. The thing I liked about coins like bitcoinR is that they allow you to quickly get started with mining and that too with your ordinary electronic gadgets. There is technically zero risks involved in mining such coins.
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With Bitcoin mining becoming highly centralized to miners who have expensive hardware, we certainly need new projects where people who don't have these expensive miners can still mine the coins. The thing I liked about coins like bitcoinR is that they allow you to quickly get started with mining and that too with your ordinary electronic gadgets. There is technically zero risks involved in mining such coins.

But they don't have any value right now as I checked their site and its not on any exchange. Why would I mine a coin that is yet to have any value?
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With Bitcoin mining becoming highly centralized to miners who have expensive hardware, we certainly need new projects where people who don't have these expensive miners can still mine the coins. The thing I liked about coins like bitcoinR is that they allow you to quickly get started with mining and that too with your ordinary electronic gadgets. There is technically zero risks involved in mining such coins.

But they don't have any value right now as I checked their site and its not on any exchange. Why would I mine a coin that is yet to have any value?

No pain, no gain.
My friend once the coin is on exchange the price will jump up and we then say, its too late now. 
I have seen so many projects that were not taken seriously in there initial days (when value is low) and they made good price later on exchange. The biggest example of such coin is Bitcoin. 
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I just have a question. We see every coin can be mined on laptop and PCs in initial days but once it finds a good price, its complexity increase and we need expensive miners to mine that coin or we can say reward on PC goes too low that we need more PCs/laptop to mine the coin. Whats your future plan, the complexity to mine bitcoinR over time will increase with its value or not?
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The team is from Harvard & MIT  Shocked
They have a professional and intelligent team for sure. Do you have any plan to increase your team member? Any opportunity for us?
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The team is from Harvard & MIT  Shocked
They have a professional and intelligent team for sure. Do you have any plan to increase your team member? Any opportunity for us?

If you have skill mate then you will definitely get any job to somewhere. You can contact them to this address team@bitcoinr.org
I wish you good luck.
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With Bitcoin mining becoming highly centralized to miners who have expensive hardware, we certainly need new projects where people who don't have these expensive miners can still mine the coins. The thing I liked about coins like bitcoinR is that they allow you to quickly get started with mining and that too with your ordinary electronic gadgets. There is technically zero risks involved in mining such coins.

Hey ToothlessCoin,

Thanks for the note.  We started with CPU mining in late March with little coordination, simply letting friends and family know via text message and Facebook posts that they could mine XBR with their hardware at home.  At that time, difficulty was <1 and we proved that a 1.8GHz processor and as few as 4GB RAM worked well enough whether it was Mac or Windows.  The announcement was met with varying interest and most people were plagued by short term thinking (how much is it worth, where is it traded) thinking that they could just flip out of it quickly.  The allure of easy money has a very strong appeal; but, when you add the necessity for people to wait between investing effort and reaping reward the number of initial participants becomes vanishingly small.

bitcoinR is not unique in this way, all PoW coins go through this same adoption curve.  Those who are early in (CPU/GPU and early ASIC) prior to a price being established are the obvious long run winners.  This method has the disadvantage of zero immediate gratification, but then there are legitimate examples of those who achieved success by taking an early PoW risk for a subsequent, non-guaranteed payoff.

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With Bitcoin mining becoming highly centralized to miners who have expensive hardware, we certainly need new projects where people who don't have these expensive miners can still mine the coins. The thing I liked about coins like bitcoinR is that they allow you to quickly get started with mining and that too with your ordinary electronic gadgets. There is technically zero risks involved in mining such coins.

But they don't have any value right now as I checked their site and its not on any exchange. Why would I mine a coin that is yet to have any value?

Hi RomiM,

This is a great question; and the answer is one that is socioeconomic in nature.

Look around in your life at the people who are successful and those who are not successful.  Those who are not successful are generally paid more frequently than those who are successful.  Here are some simple examples to illustrate the traditional model of socioeconomically determined monetary velocity:

Daily Pay:

A laborer who in exchange for his or her physical effort in digging a hole in the earth or carrying scrap metal is paid daily.  This person uses his pay to pay for food and shelter for the night, with a little bit of funds left over to buy a small breakfast and lunch the next day.  There is no concept of saving, just work to survive.  This person does not plan for the future.

Weekly Pay:

A foreman who supervises the manual laborers in the field is paid weekly.  This person has a bit longer of a time horizon and can generally afford to save a little to pay for a used car and rent an apartment.  While the foreman generally has an easier life than the laborer, often there is little difference in their ability to save or plan for the future.

Bi-Weekly or Semi-Monthly Pay:

This is where most of the middle class is, they get paid on the 1st and the 15th of every month, or every other Friday.  They generally have had some success planning for the future, attending at least some college and are a bit more comfortable with the idea that they must invest time and effort without the happy result of immediate gratification.  Many in this category finance new automobiles and obtain mortgages for comfortable homes for their families. 

Monthly Pay

These are most self-employed individuals or small business entrepreneurs.  They must plan for the future every single month, carefully calculating how much time, effort and money they can invest in their business activities.  At the end of each month, they pay their laborers, foremen and managers along with overhead for the month, saving some funds in reserve and pay themselves from whatever profit is left over.  Many of these individuals have the ability to pay cash for their automobiles and homes.

Quarterly Pay

Many investment managers are paid quarterly.  Compensation for the best investment managers range from the millions into the billions of dollars annually.  They are paid partially upon performance of their investment ideas and execution and partially upon the tallied dollars that they "manage" in any given quarter.  Generally these individuals hold advanced degrees and have invested significantly into their educations (often in the several-hundred-thousand-dollar range).  They have planned for the future since they were children and have often had the benefit of guidance from a capable family member or mentor.

Annual Pay

Founders and CEOs of publicly traded companies will often take a very small salary, sometimes as low as $1 a year.  This salary is obviously far lower than what our laborer examples can make in an hour, let alone an entire year; however, these individuals are visionaries, and they are willing to exert tremendous effort, energy and personal funds to ensure that they are paid handsomely at year-end through the exercising of their stock options, which could be worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.  While it varies whether or not these individuals have heavily invested in education, they are not adverse to risk and they do not expect immediate gratification of any kind.  Often, they have the discipline to live far below their means, driving used cars and living in small homes to save their focus, funds and energy to invest in a worthwhile effort that will pay them an outrageous sum once per annum or at some future time.


So, while I cannot promise that mining XBR will be a profitable endeavor and I cannot point to any exchange listing today to establish a price, I can tell you that there are some very smart men and women who have chosen to invest their time, effort, energy and personal funds into making bitcoinR a success and that it may behoove others to do likewise.

NS


PS- bitcoinR has had listing offerings from multiple exchanges, but since they were non KYC/AML compliant, we declined listing.



With Bitcoin mining becoming highly centralized to miners who have expensive hardware, we certainly need new projects where people who don't have these expensive miners can still mine the coins. The thing I liked about coins like bitcoinR is that they allow you to quickly get started with mining and that too with your ordinary electronic gadgets. There is technically zero risks involved in mining such coins.

But they don't have any value right now as I checked their site and its not on any exchange. Why would I mine a coin that is yet to have any value?

No pain, no gain.
My friend once the coin is on exchange the price will jump up and we then say, its too late now. 
I have seen so many projects that were not taken seriously in there initial days (when value is low) and they made good price later on exchange. The biggest example of such coin is Bitcoin. 

Bingo.

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I just have a question. We see every coin can be mined on laptop and PCs in initial days but once it finds a good price, its complexity increase and we need expensive miners to mine that coin or we can say reward on PC goes too low that we need more PCs/laptop to mine the coin. Whats your future plan, the complexity to mine bitcoinR over time will increase with its value or not?

This is a good question and one that is difficult to answer without making promises; so what I will do is present data so one can make their own inference:

Yesterday the bitcoinR network eclipsed the hashpower equivalent of Bitcoin on November 1, 2013 (3582 TH/s).   On 1-NOV-13, the value of BTC was $198.51.

You can verify this here on the bitcoinR Block Explorer.

We are approaching AML/KYC compliant exchanges soon so we can list.  The first quantitative easing / tightening function to attempt to stabilize to our target price is 1-JUL-2020, so we would ideally like to be listed prior to that time.

NS




The team is from Harvard & MIT  Shocked
They have a professional and intelligent team for sure. Do you have any plan to increase your team member? Any opportunity for us?

Thank you for the compliment.  Regarding traditional qualifications, we feel as though our team is without par in the crypto world with the possible exception of Ripple Labs.

Yes, we are constantly looking for smart, hardworking people to help us!  For ways to earn XBR without mining, please look at our XBR Bounty Hunter page:  https://bitcoinr.org/partners/xbr-bounty-hunters/

There's more work to do, certainly.

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My operating system is Ubuntu. Can I mine XBR with this operating system? I only found mining client for Windows,Mac & Linux.
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My operating system is Ubuntu. Can I mine XBR with this operating system? I only found mining client for Windows,Mac & Linux.

Hi tex173,

Thanks for the note.  Ubuntu is a standard Linux flavor, so you can most certainly download the Linux binaries.

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Great concept I must confess. The security in place reduces propensity for multiple accounts, this eliminates cheating and gives room for more people to participate.
I see a great future ahead. Good job Dev and team. Good luck!
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