[Flag] Bruno AKA Phinnaeus Gage, Gleb Gamow, YuTü.Co.in, Bitcoin 100 & ???

[Timelord2067]

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Nice deflection.  Nothing responded to.

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[hilariousetc]

The real Bruno never did that to us. Supporting this flag for me is hurting the real Bruno. Sorry, I can not do that. The wording of this flag really do not go in a way to oppose it too.

The real Bruno did sell his accounts whilst he was alive though, so he certainly would do it if he knew he was dying. Now, the question is did he sell or give away the account or has his next of kin recovered it as someone else suggested in the other thread that was just locked. I find his next of kin deciding to post a scam here less plausible and the more likely scenario is he gave it to someone who he was in contact with behind the scenes.

One "can" be a subset of the other.

So who has the most to gain from destroying Bruno's reputation?

An unscrupulous individual. That's what scammers do. Some of them will steal money from the dying and needy. They don't care and have no morals, so taking over a dead man's account is probably nothing to them and ruining someone's reputation will be irrelevant.

Hopefully it was actually Bruno speaking with nutildah and not the hacker/compromised account pegging them as an easy mark for their upcoming bitcoin100 scam attempt.

I would take anything Nutlidah says with a pinch of salt as he's obviously bias and can't look at this situation objectively. You've got to be pretty gullible/niave to think all it takes to prove someones death is an online obituary that anyone can make for anybody. I think the most likely scenario is Bruno probably sold or gave away the account to someone he talked to privately. Either that or his next of kin recovered his funds and account which would make them an utter scumbag. Which is the most likely though? A scumbag family member or an opportunistic scammer who managed to get the account from Bruno before he died?

Bruno stated he had to dictate his posts through a voice to text generator.. do you really think he would be able to get onto an exchange, 2FA, password, email confirmation and everything else involved with trading BTC to USD and then log into his bank account and accept a deposit.. all with Google Voice to Text?

Assuming that it was Bruno who made that original post. That could have been the scammer for all we know. The pictures he used were old.

[ChuckBuck]

So who has the most to gain from destroying Bruno's reputation?

I believe that its purpose is not to destroy the reputation of Bruno. It is simply a scam to earn some other money in this difficult time. And this fraudulent intent destroys accidentally Bruno's reputation. The crook doesn't mind if he destroys someone's reputation. I see too much speculation around here. So my question is if Bruno decides to sell his account? Will he sell all or just this? Has his other accounts started working yet? Phinnaeus Gage is the most valuable, but the other accounts are also valuable, I think he will also sell them  Right?

[nutildah]

I would take anything Nutlidah says with a pinch of salt as he's obviously bias and can't look at this situation objectively. You've got to be pretty gullible/niave to think all it takes to prove someones death is an online obituary that anyone can make for anybody.

Since you won't let it be I feel compelled to respond. You can't make an obituary for "anybody" -- the obituary isn't published until a death certificate has been requested by the funeral home, which in this case is Boersma Funeral Home.  Obituaries aren't added to more general sites like Everhere until it has already been published by a funeral home elsewhere. I don't understand why you would call me "naive" when its obvious you didn't do the slightest bit of research on this issue.

[hilariousetc]

I would take anything Nutlidah says with a pinch of salt as he's obviously bias and can't look at this situation objectively. You've got to be pretty gullible/niave to think all it takes to prove someones death is an online obituary that anyone can make for anybody.

Since you won't let it be I feel compelled to respond. You can't make an obituary for "anybody" -- the obituary isn't published until a death certificate has been requested by the funeral home, which in this case is Boersma Funeral Home.  Obituaries aren't added to more general sites like Everhere until it has already been published by a funeral home elsewhere. I don't understand why you would call me "naive" when its obvious you didn't do the slightest bit of research on this issue.

Except I did do the slightest bit of research, at least to the extent that I went through Everhere's listing process myself. Anyone can seemingly create a listing there without legal verification. The only time I saw you needed to verify the death was if you were collecting donations.

Whilst you're here, do you know if Bruno's family were able to retrieve his coins from his wallet? That would at least cross off one possibility on what happened to his account/funds.

[TECSHARE]

Except I did do the slightest bit of research, at least to the extent that I went through Everhere's listing process myself. Anyone can seemingly create a listing there without legal verification. The only time I saw you needed to verify the death was if you were collecting donations.

Whilst you're here, do you know if Bruno's family were able to retrieve his coins from his wallet? That would at least cross off one possibility on what happened to his account/funds.

I called the funeral home to confirm he passed, which I looked up independently of the listing just to be sure. Are you suggesting that they made up a fake funeral home complete with a manned phone and or the funeral home is in on it? That is the only way that would happen.

[nutildah]

Except I did do the slightest bit of research, at least to the extent that I went through Everhere's listing process myself. Anyone can seemingly create a listing there without legal verification. The only time I saw you needed to verify the death was if you were collecting donations.

The creation of Bruno's obituary on Everhere was automated and taken from data provided by the Boersma funeral home, who did file and receive a copy of his death certificate. This should be evident based on the first line of the obituary:

Here is Bruno Kucinskas Jr.’s obituary. Please accept Everhere’s sincere condolences.

It just happened to appear in the search results ahead of the Boersma one, which is why I grabbed it first. A few posts later ibminer posted the Boersma one, which should have been good enough for any unbiased person to conclude for certain that he was deceased.

I tried to create an obituary there to test out what you said and upon completion it was met with this message:

The obituary will now be reviewed and verified by a member of our team. Once approved, it will be online and visible to all visitors. Please note that we reserve the right to delete all obituaries with fictitious or inappropriate content.

So practically you should apply as much rigor to your theory about not knowing the truth about something without firm evidence that you did with Bruno's death as you would to understanding how the obituary creation process works.

For whatever reason you are continuing to overlook common sense in order to pursue a long-standing grudge against a now deceased individual. As a moderator you should be able to be a bit more objective in your approach to these issues, even if you are writing about it from your shitposting account.


I don't know for sure if his family collected the funds from his account, they never got back to me about that, and it's not my place to pry any further.

[ChuckBuck]

Excuse me, can you tell me why you doubt Bruno's death? We can completely find out information about the disease he is suffering from. It seems that there is no cure for it, sooner or later, he will die for it. So why be suspicious? I believe he really died with those obituaries. Bruno may have some bad points, but if he's really dead, we just need to ignore those bad things, right? And now, the best solution is to lock his accounts. Avoid abuse from anyone. We're done here, why do we have to argue about what happened? We have accepted donations before, now just ignore it, don't argue about it.  Come on, don't argue over it 

[hilariousetc]

Except I did do the slightest bit of research, at least to the extent that I went through Everhere's listing process myself. Anyone can seemingly create a listing there without legal verification. The only time I saw you needed to verify the death was if you were collecting donations.

Whilst you're here, do you know if Bruno's family were able to retrieve his coins from his wallet? That would at least cross off one possibility on what happened to his account/funds.

I called the funeral home to confirm he passed, which I looked up independently of the listing just to be sure. Are you suggesting that they made up a fake funeral home complete with a manned phone and or the funeral home is in on it? That is the only way that would happen.

No, that's not what I'm suggesting.

I tried to create an obituary there to test out what you said and upon completion it was met with this message:

The obituary will now be reviewed and verified by a member of our team. Once approved, it will be online and visible to all visitors. Please note that we reserve the right to delete all obituaries with fictitious or inappropriate content.

Well there you go. It's seemingly quite easy to fake an account on there, and that's all my concern ever was and that we shouldn't be merely accepting them as absolute proof of death.

For whatever reason you are continuing to overlook common sense in order to pursue a long-standing grudge against a now deceased individual. As a moderator you should be able to be a bit more objective in your approach to these issues, even if you are writing about it from your shitposting account.

It's common sense to not just blindly believe something that can easily be faked or hasn't been verified. And I don't have a grudge. My concern was always about the damage that could or was being done with his account. You even used the fact that the account hadn't posted in weeks as 'proof' that he was dead but Bruno's account is still alive and kicking regardless of whether he is or not. I mean, I'd love to never mention him or his account(s) again but if they keep popping up trying to scam people then it's going to be a little hard to ignore.

Excuse me, can you tell me why you doubt Bruno's death? We can completely find out information about the disease he is suffering from. It seems that there is no cure for it, sooner or later, he will die for it. So why be suspicious? I believe he really died with those obituaries. Bruno may have some bad points, but if he's really dead, we just need to ignore those bad things, right? And now, the best solution is to lock his accounts. Avoid abuse from anyone. We're done here, why do we have to argue about what happened? We have accepted donations before, now just ignore it, don't argue about it.  Come on, don't argue over it 

That's not what we're arguing here. This is a thread about Bruno's account(s) being used to scam. The discussion above isn't about whether he's deceased or not but whether an online obituary that seemingly anyone can create is sufficient proof or not.

[nutildah]

Well there you go. It's seemingly quite easy to fake an account on there, and that's all my concern ever was and that we shouldn't be merely accepting them as absolute proof of death.

"Having a fake account on there" has nothing to do with anything. None of this matters because the obituary from the funeral home (which the Everhere one grabbed its data from to generate its generic, form letter-type obituary) couldn't be published without a death certificate in hand. Obtaining a death certificate is part of the legal obligations of the funeral home.

It's common sense to not just blindly believe something that can easily be faked or hasn't been verified.

It's also common sense to have an inkling of what you are talking about before you start talking. The process can't "easily be faked" and it has been verified. You are still choosing to employ a ridiculous standard for "verification" in order to avoid having to admit you've been wrong on this issue since April.

And I don't have a grudge. My concern was always about the damage that could or was being done with his account.

Given your attitude toward him in the past and your persistent pushing of baseless conspiracies damaging to his reputation I find this hard to believe.

You even used the fact that the account hadn't posted in weeks as 'proof' that he was dead but Bruno's account is still alive and kicking regardless of whether he is or not.

Now you have taken to straight up lying. This is what I actually said. I didn't say it was proof of anything -- I said its all you could go by to see if anyone had access to his account or not. I never thought for a second there wasn't a chance his account could be reactivated.

I mean, I'd love to never mention him or his account(s) again

Then don't. Nobody asked for your opinion in the first place.

Excuse me, can you tell me why you doubt Bruno's death?...

That's not what we're arguing here. This is a thread about Bruno's account(s) being used to scam. The discussion above isn't about whether he's deceased or not but whether an online obituary that seemingly anyone can create is sufficient proof or not.

It's what you've clearly suggested several times based on nothing but rather insidious-minded speculation. I get it -- you always assume the worst in people. That's fine. Its your outlook on life, but we don't all have to share it, and it certainly doesn't aid you in navigating what is "common sense" and what isn't.

Have the last word if you must. I'm out.

[suchmoon]

whether an online obituary that seemingly anyone can create is sufficient proof or not.

Ignore the everhere site. It doesn't matter. It's an aggregator site like many others. The funeral home obit is the original and it's extremely unlikely to be fake. Can we let this go now.

[ChuckBuck]

but whether an online obituary that seemingly anyone can create is sufficient proof or not.

The question here is why does someone have to create a fake obituary? I don't see any effect when someone fakes it  I suppose this obituary is fake, then everyone  believe that Bruno died. As soon as Bruno's account was active and posting, people reacted violently to it. What are the benefits of fake obituary? Who will benefit from counterfeiting it? Nobody, I just see the disadvantage here, so I suppose no one tries to fake it without any benefit, am I wrong?

[Pffrt]

but whether an online obituary that seemingly anyone can create is sufficient proof or not.

The question here is why does someone have to create a fake obituary? I don't see any effect when someone fakes it  I suppose this obituary is fake, then everyone  believe that Bruno died. As soon as Bruno's account was active and posting, people reacted violently to it. What are the benefits of fake obituary? Who will benefit from counterfeiting it? Nobody, I just see the disadvantage here, so I suppose no one tries to fake it without any benefit, am I wrong?

No ChuckBuck, you just got hilariousetc wrong. If the death certificate is fake, someone is taking advantages here. Why would someone would fake his death? If it's fake, it means Bruno's previous thread was also kind of fake, to get donated some money.
I don't think Bruno's death is fake although.

[Hueristic]

/Enlighten me

You don't know??  The thread you posted a link here doesn't know either?  Goodness gracious me oh my!


Getting back to reality though, what efforts have you made to track the bitcoins that have been stolen?

I have made zero effort to do any investigation into this, all I have noticed is unsubstantiated opinions being put forward as facts and have noticed you paramount in spewing those forth.

So why don't you try putting all your comments into a post with proper supporting evidence and then maybe your posts will receive the respect you think they deserve. Until then they will be ignored as the rant that they are.

[Timelord2067]

I have made zero effort to do any investigation into this,

Hence your sustained criticism.

all I have noticed is unsubstantiated opinions being put forward as facts and have noticed you paramount in spewing those forth.

As the creator of the Flag, that's my job.

So why don't you try putting all your comments into a post with proper supporting evidence and then maybe your posts will receive the respect you think they deserve.

You're a mind-reader now?

Until then they will be ignored as the rant that they are.

But not by you as you continue to reply.  Time to come down off of that fence.

[Hueristic]

But not by you as you continue to reply.  Time to come down off of that fence.

Its not a fence and I am just pointing out you are spouting off opinions as if they are facts (and creating conclusions based on those non facts that you then try to force an action from us) so the onerous is on you to provide evidence while I have made no statements other than there needs to be an investigation which I think the supporting evidence of that is self evident.

[Timelord2067]

But not by you as you continue to reply.  Time to come down off of that fence.

It's not a fence and I am just pointing out you are spouting off opinions as if they are facts (and creating conclusions based on those non facts that you then try to force an action from us) so the onerous is on you to provide evidence while I have made no statements other than there needs to be an investigation which I think the supporting evidence of that is self evident.

Go right ahead and investigate.

So, outline where I'm wrong then.

[Hueristic]

But not by you as you continue to reply.  Time to come down off of that fence.

It's not a fence and I am just pointing out you are spouting off opinions as if they are facts (and creating conclusions based on those non facts that you then try to force an action from us) so the onerous is on you to provide evidence while I have made no statements other than there needs to be an investigation which I think the supporting evidence of that is self evident.

Go right ahead and investigate.

So, outline where I'm wrong then.

Well I just checked and you have edited the OP so I am not going to waste time digging just to point out where your disconnects were.

Go ahead and act like you were not jumping to conclusions if you want, all your doing is lowering your credibility.

I'll not waste any more time on you, if you put something coherent together then feel free to pm me and i'll check it out.

Just struck that out as I had a bad link.

I have just seen this thread and discovered Bruno is alive and kicking.  That can only mean he scammed me when I donated personal funds (and Known Alts funds) to his "Plead" to cover funeral costs.

If Bruno is not dead then the funds were taken under false pretences.

Known alts of Bruno (there could be more):

Phinnaeus Gage  -  Flag:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1911

Gleb Gamow  -  Flag:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1912

YuTü.Co.in  -  Flag:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1913

Bitcoin 100  -  Flag:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1915

Right there you state he is alive, how you can possible come to that conclusion from the facts available is beyond me.

Feel free to lay that out.

[Timelord2067]

Right there you state he is alive, how you can possible come to that conclusion from the facts available is beyond me.

Feel free to lay that out.

Childish part of your post aside, the discussion has moved on from there.  I can't recall seeing other Flags where the OP gives a running commentary in their OP of the discussion that follows.

If I change it to read:

I have just seen this thread and discovered "Bruno" is alive and kicking.  That can only mean he scammed me when I donated personal funds (and Known Alts funds) to his "Plead" to cover funeral costs.

If "Bruno" is not dead then the funds were taken under false pretences.

Would that stop you frothing at the mouth?

[ChuckBuck]

If it's fake, it means Bruno's previous thread was also kind of fake, to get donated some money.

If "Bruno" is not dead then the funds were taken under false pretences.[/i]

So if Bruno is not really dead and what's going on here is a scam of him, like the title he put, the final exit scam. What will we do next? I want to know what we can do when we are fooled that way? It really took place, many people have donated large sums of money. It would be sad if it was a scam