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June 01, 2020, 07:45:31 PM
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Is the shares  bought online? Then counties with faster network will always out muscles those that there network is not as fast. The game is not fairly balance if things goes like That


Yes shares are bought online, to be accurate they bought in a smart contract on tron blockchain.


I'm sorry but I don't understand : why do you think players with faster network would out muscles those with slower networks ?

In this game the last player to bought a share can win the jackpot not the fastest.


The downside I imagine with a faster network could be, if 2 players decide to buy a share at the exact same moment the one with the fastest network will get his shares first.

But they both gonna get their share anyways.

If the jackpot get hit right after their purchase the one with the slower network indeed get an hedge as he is the last player to had play in the contract.



- www.madoffsgame.com -
Madoff's game is a Tron gambling dapp where new player try to win the jackpot.
While losing players win new players money.
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June 01, 2020, 07:56:35 PM
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Some websites have similar jackpot like this.

IMO, this kind of jackpot more profitable to a user who can be using a bot transaction every time someone deposits/buying the tickets then the bot will react to buying the ticket too. It makes him become the last person who buying the share, now the question how you can handle this kind of activity. I mean this is not really fair who someone who buying a share/jackpot by manually.

Cause of that is, I more like it a jackpot using a random generate random from the smart contract to determine the winners.

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June 02, 2020, 12:11:47 AM
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Some websites have similar jackpot like this.

IMO, this kind of jackpot more profitable to a user who can be using a bot transaction every time someone deposits/buying the tickets then the bot will react to buying the ticket too. It makes him become the last person who buying the share, now the question how you can handle this kind of activity. I mean this is not really fair who someone who buying a share/jackpot by manually.

Cause of that is, I more like it a jackpot using a random generate random from the smart contract to determine the winners.


Which website do you refer to ? ( other than fomo3d )


I understand, but their is not much we can do, it is about the game design it self, we don't have much options here.

For early levels bots have no interest but they could have one if the games goes into very late stages.

The problem with using a bot is ( from a game theory perspective ) you need to be the only one doing so because if 2 players use bots it doesn't work for neither of thoses players. So maybe we can count on the fact players will not try bot just in case some one else could do it and it would ruin the whole strategy.

Also even if only one player use a bot he can't know where the game session is gonna end he can only make sure game session not gonna end if is not the winner as long as he have enough money so if you use a bot you expose yourself to bet a huge amount without being sure to win ( except with an infinite amount of money of course ).


- www.madoffsgame.com -
Madoff's game is a Tron gambling dapp where new player try to win the jackpot.
While losing players win new players money.
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June 02, 2020, 01:15:47 PM
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The problem with using a bot is ( from a game theory perspective ) you need to be the only one doing so because if 2 players use bots it doesn't work for neither of thoses players. So maybe we can count on the fact players will not try bot just in case some one else could do it and it would ruin the whole strategy.

Also even if only one player use a bot he can't know where the game session is gonna end he can only make sure game session not gonna end if is not the winner as long as he have enough money so if you use a bot you expose yourself to bet a huge amount without being sure to win ( except with an infinite amount of money of course ).

Well,,, it would always make sense for a bot if the player is a whale confident that he is the biggest whale ready to play. I have a feeling a lot of whales are very techie in this space, they have bots and they also monitor other whales. They know when each other are active. So if I was a whale,,, I would definitely use bots in all these fomo3d games to stretch the game out longer than anyone else can. Make them tire or make them submit.

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June 02, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
Last edit: June 03, 2020, 05:06:17 AM by madgames42
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The problem with using a bot is ( from a game theory perspective ) you need to be the only one doing so because if 2 players use bots it doesn't work for neither of thoses players. So maybe we can count on the fact players will not try bot just in case some one else could do it and it would ruin the whole strategy.

Also even if only one player use a bot he can't know where the game session is gonna end he can only make sure game session not gonna end if is not the winner as long as he have enough money so if you use a bot you expose yourself to bet a huge amount without being sure to win ( except with an infinite amount of money of course ).

Well,,, it would always make sense for a bot if the player is a whale confident that he is the biggest whale ready to play. I have a feeling a lot of whales are very techie in this space, they have bots and they also monitor other whales. They know when each other are active. So if I was a whale,,, I would definitely use bots in all these fomo3d games to stretch the game out longer than anyone else can. Make them tire or make them submit.


Yes once again you right but their is not much we can do if a user decide to do so, but if you have any recommendation on something we could do I'm ok to try it.

Yet even if you are a big whale and you are the only bot user you could lost more than the jackpot amount using a bot. Bots don't guarantee a win, it just guarantee ( with enough tron ) you are not gonna lose the jackpot but you could bet more than jackpot amount making you a loser even if you win it at some point.


- www.madoffsgame.com -
Madoff's game is a Tron gambling dapp where new player try to win the jackpot.
While losing players win new players money.
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June 02, 2020, 08:44:01 PM
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We reach level 2  Wink Jackpot > 50 000 tron - On the road for level 3

Congrats to all first players already in the money.






I find concept interesting I wanted to play but I saw that there are players playing at least every 4-5 hours so very hard for this stage to have any chance to win (I had watch some times and I never see timer under 6 hours) and I almost confident game will go stage 5 or 6. I think there's good chance it may go at stage 8.
Don't think that jackpot can get win before minimum stage 4 > 6hours timer or stage 5 > 3hours timer (still a lot).
The problem is: why should I bet now and not wait the game get to stage 5 or 6 and start playing since I have lot more chances winning because timer will be far lower? the only thing the share price is cheaper but I think I have zero chance to win yet so share price not very important.
Even if share price is more I prefer play when only 60min and less on timer maybe lot of players think like me and wait to start playing no?

Why you not start with smaller timer for early stages it will give players better chance to win so maybe more players as I would attempt to play and jackpot get bigger faster ?


Well if you certain the game will reach level 5 or level 6 why you don't bet 10k-20k or 50k right now ?

Let's imagine you right : it go to level 5 and you bet 20k tron right now.

So you get 500 shares. If you right and game reach level 5 at worst, you will earn at least 40.48.. tron per share you own, so you will get refunded ( even win some little extra ). This just when level 4 end it don't include level 5.

If it go further you will earn a lot more :

 - If you right and it reach level 6 ( level 5 end ) you will win at least 92.77..tron per share you own : 500 x 92 = 46 000tron you get a 26k+ net profit.

 - If as you think it could reach level 8 ( level 7 end ) you will win at least 221.88 tron per share 500 x 221 = 110 500Tron  you get a 90k+ net profit.


*This calculation is a derivative from the board in the website you can find [here] it doesn't include your cut from the 20% of the jackpot and also assume all shares will be purchase one by one if it is not the case, you could even win a bit more.
Finally it assume you buy the last 500 shares from level 2 if you buy them now you will also earn during the level 2.

So if you right, you can only win more than the projection or my calculation say.



But it is not sure it will go to level 8 nor level 5 nor even level 3 and in this case you would lose money, so only bet money you can afford to lose because nobody can know for sure when it will stop. It is a bet you would do : If you right you earn but if you wrong you lose.


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Ok; i didn't understood it like that before thx for explanation. Will not bet 20k now but maybe be 1-2k, and i'll also play for jackpot if game don't go this far i'll win jackpot!!! Still a problem: it could take months or even years going at level 6-7 with the timer you chose. why not get smallest timer for first steps?


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June 02, 2020, 10:53:02 PM
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So is this just a gameified Ponzi scheme or what? Pretty much seems like a multi-level marketing scheme with a game element to it.

That said, the gameplay does actually look fun, though I doubt the game will pick up the momentum to deliver the jackpot rewards you've got in your ANN post.

Can you tell us how many users you currently have?
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Ok; i didn't understood it like that before thx for explanation. Will not bet 20k now but maybe be 1-2k, and i'll also play for jackpot if game don't go this far i'll win jackpot!!!


That's the spirit !


Still a problem: it could take months or even years going at level 6-7 with the timer you chose. why not get smallest timer for first steps?



Well we chose to do it like this at start in order to let players try and see and keep the game going even if only few player try it at start. Game have an interest.

Also at start jackpot is not big enough to attract a lot of players so we think the jackpot amount / time ratio is good to let time to first players to try it.

It allow the game to potentially deliver a big jackpot even if it is in a long time, still all along jackpot have an interest to be attempted early even if it is still quit small 55000+ tron for a 40 tron participation you will win a part back if you lose is I think acceptable. It keep the game attractive even with few players at start.


So is this just a gameified Ponzi scheme or what? Pretty much seems like a multi-level marketing scheme with a game element to it.

That said, the gameplay does actually look fun, though I doubt the game will pick up the momentum to deliver the jackpot rewards you've got in your ANN post.

Can you tell us how many users you currently have?



Well it is the other way around a jackpot game in which you can win back your money or even more if you lost early. The goal here is to reward first players that attempt the jackpot but didn't make it. It will also allow them to play again without paying full price if they want too.

It is kind of a rake back we wanted to create : you lost but you help the jackpot getting bigger by trying to win so it will attract new players so you get a reward for it.

As much as you had bet early and help the jackpot grow as much as you get back. A reward for early adopters even if they lose they believe in the contract, so the contract reward them.

We also think it allow players that think it gonna go far ( as elmuria think for example ) to bet some money early as it will help the jackpot get bigger tho it will attract more players and he could still play the game later with the money he will win by attracting new players in it and so on.
But it is a bet, not an investment there no guarantee returns and return only depend on how much players will play after you. So if you think it is attractive enough for players to go far you can play it this way.
Yet it is not the main goal, the main goal is to win the jackpot. We could see this as a side game : you can win money with it but always less than playing only the jackpot.

Finally we think it is a great mechanism to attract new player while keeping older players involved in the game. It will help players more easily talk about it even if they lost as they kind of still playing the game.


For the moment we only had 37 unique users but some had already play several times you can watch our stats on dapp radar : [here]. It just started so it is not big but it keep growing.

Jackpot is currently at 55 024 Tron and keep growing ! I hope the momentum will come with the jackpot getting bigger giving more momentum and so on. But could take more or less time we don't know.


Would you like to try it ?


- www.madoffsgame.com -
Madoff's game is a Tron gambling dapp where new player try to win the jackpot.
While losing players win new players money.
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Current jackpot for 50k tron is already finished off?  As count down timer shows zero everywhere, you must update to the latest thing more prominently. I am not seeing these kinds of delay in any of highly reputed gambling houses. Due to the same reason, am I unable to select main chain for mainnet tronlink?

So is this just a gameified Ponzi scheme or what? Pretty much seems like a multi-level marketing scheme with a game element to it.
I do not think so; just because of having multi-level referral earning does not mean it could be a ponzi. If you have at least one element as the actual business then that will not be a ponzi anymore. A ponzi is usually having "money/investment " as a the main business Grin.

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June 03, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
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Current jackpot for 50k tron is already finished off?  As count down timer shows zero everywhere, you must update to the latest thing more prominently. I am not seeing these kinds of delay in any of highly reputed gambling houses. Due to the same reason, am I unable to select main chain for mainnet tronlink?


So in order to see the game and get "live info" from it you need to unlock your tronlink, even if you do not have tron on it.
For the moment the website only get info from your tronlink it cannot explore the blockchain by himself yet.

We it is not the best way and we should evolve this in a near future but for the moment website is just a basic interface between tronlink and the contract.


Current jackpot is 55 088 Tron and timer is 6h13min left at the moment where I post this reply.

If you have any troubles connecting with tronlink please let know. I'll see what I can do.


So is this just a gameified Ponzi scheme or what? Pretty much seems like a multi-level marketing scheme with a game element to it.
I do not think so; just because of having multi-level referral earning does not mean it could be a ponzi. If you have at least one element as the actual business then that will not be a ponzi anymore. A ponzi is usually having "money/investment " as a the main business Grin.


Yes you right also there is no multi level referal in our game : once you lose your earnings depends on players behind you but even if you do no referal at all and if players play after you will earn.

You do not earn more if you refer players and not less if you do not.

You earning once you lost depend on how much share you got, how much share are already in the contract and how much new players play after you regardless if you are the one bringing new players or not.


- www.madoffsgame.com -
Madoff's game is a Tron gambling dapp where new player try to win the jackpot.
While losing players win new players money.
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Ok; i didn't understood it like that before thx for explanation. Will not bet 20k now but maybe be 1-2k, and i'll also play for jackpot if game don't go this far i'll win jackpot!!!


That's the spirit !


Still a problem: it could take months or even years going at level 6-7 with the timer you chose. why not get smallest timer for first steps?



Well we chose to do it like this at start in order to let players try and see and keep the game going even if only few player try it at start. Game have an interest.

Also at start jackpot is not big enough to attract a lot of players so we think the jackpot amount / time ratio is good to let time to first players to try it.

It allow the game to potentially deliver a big jackpot even if it is in a long time, still all along jackpot have an interest to be attempted early even if it is still quit small 55000+ tron for a 40 tron participation you will win a part back if you lose is I think acceptable. It keep the game attractive even with few players at start.




ok; got it still think smallest timer is more attractive.
I havn't bet yet i keep watch how game go before making a big bet.
question: jackpot is 40% from share price; meaning total amount bet in your game = jackpot * 2.5 = 55136 * 2.5 = 137,840 TRX total? but why balance only 124,033.979651 TRX (https://tronscan.org/#/contract/TVLdijjw8aryn2sF7KqNS4KtUnKHAGnaGZ/code) where are missing trx ?
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