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We will make sure to keep you posted!
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I want to own Tagion token. What should I do?
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June 09, 2020, 04:33:01 PM
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Hi @Dinhvinhson

Great to hear. We are not pursuing an ICO so, the easiest way to get Tagion is part take in the soon to be released bounty hunt. We are testing the final features to make sure the program is as good as possible before we launch. 

Stay tuned for more information here or join our Telegram Group: @TagionChat - the entire team is there and can provide more information.
You can also join forum.tagion.org and become an active part in the project Wink

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Interesting project and concept #PoC

Will follow the progress
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Thanks! Happy to have you watching - and maybe one day joining, who knows Wink



Tagion FAQ #1

Who governs #tagion?

The users of the system by a reputational trust score model and Proof of Community model. More, we are trying to extend the governance model to reward all actors in the model, which could be divided into four main categories:

• Sense-makers: core concept developers
• Value-makers: programmers and nodes
• Relation makers: evangelists and services on top
• Decision-makers: core developers and node operators

See more FAQs on www.tagion.org and join our Telegram Group: @TagionChat



Tagion FAQ #2

What is DART (Distributed Archive of Random Transactions)?
DART is built to store and keep track of transactions in the Tagion network. The database efficiently handles the removal and addition of transactions in a secure and distributed manner.

Why is DART better than Legacy or other distributed databases?

In comparison to other distributed ledger technologies, DART is optimized for token transfers. It creates cryptographic bills which makes it extremely efficient for searching, reading and storing. It also contains a fingerprint for the state of the database, another feature that is missing in classic distributed hash tables.

See more FAQs on www.tagion.org and join our Telegram Chat: @tagionChat



Tagion FAQ #3

What is HTLC (Hash Time Locked Contract)?
A Hashed Timelock Contract (HTLC) is a type of smart contract used in cryptocurrency channels to eliminate counterparty risk. It enables the implementation of time-bound transactions.
In practical terms, this means that recipients of a transaction have to acknowledge payment by generating cryptographic proof within a certain timeframe. Otherwise, the transaction does not take place.

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Tagion FAQ #4

Does Tagion have a DEX?
Yes - soon. Pay with anything anywhere. Tagion DEX is an open protocol that enables a trustless exchange of any digital currency that supports HTLC (Hash Time Locked Contract). Thanks to the fair ordering of transactions enabled by Hashgraph, Tagion DEX also provides automatic ‘on-chain’ pair matching.
Once completed, Tagion’s DEX will be able to seamlessly exchange between all common crypto and FIAT currencies (semi-decentralized). Read more in the White Paper.

FAQ post:https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-faq/81/7 and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat

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June 12, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
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Thanks! Happy to have you watching - and maybe one day joining, who knows Wink

Let's watch and see what can benefit many people here. it's time to find out about that. Hopefully change something new.

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June 12, 2020, 07:00:26 PM
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I am sure this will benefit a lot of people. Hopefully, in the looooong run, it can even play a part in bringing the money power back to the people.

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I am sure this will benefit a lot of people. Hopefully, in the looooong run, it can even play a part in bringing the money power back to the people.

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nice hope
and i believe your hope will become true if you and your team seriously develop this project
i will watching this project too  Wink
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@republicrypto

Great to have you watching. Hope to make you get involved soon as well Wink



Tagion FAQ #5


What is a shard?

A database shard is a horizontal partition of data in a database or search engine. Each individual partition is referred to as a shard or database shard. Each shard is held on a separate file system to spread the load.
Tagion’s database, DART, supports sharding on a single DART where the DART is divided between nodes in the network. This means that only a fraction of the data is stored in a node’s local file system.
One of the examples is having a sub-DART for a video game, so that in-game transactions don’t stall the main network - and ensures the data as it is only the owner of the data that can modify or erase it. This is not the case for a torrent file system.

Some data within a database remains present in all shards, but some appear only in a single shard. Each shard (or server) acts as the single source for this subset of data. A node always has a copy of the data to secure data in case a node is lost. It also improves the load speed because you can load data from several nodes at once. It also reduces distributed denial-of-service (DDoS).

FAQ post:https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-faq/81/7 and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat


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June 15, 2020, 07:25:20 AM
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hi dev
do you have a plan for bounty campaign ?
to spread the word about tagion
thank you

@coinswebid

We do. We are just putting the final touch on the program. We will announce it here as soon as it is ready.

thanks for your respond,, i hope i can be a part on it
because my signature space is waiting  Wink

well, will keep eye on it  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

anyway this is coin with own blockchain right? not a token?

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June 15, 2020, 05:40:44 PM
Last edit: July 09, 2020, 03:26:34 PM by mprep
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hi dev
do you have a plan for bounty campaign ?
to spread the word about tagion
thank you

@coinswebid

We do. We are just putting the final touch on the program. We will announce it here as soon as it is ready.

thanks for your respond,, i hope i can be a part on it
because my signature space is waiting  Wink

well, will keep eye on it  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

anyway this is coin with own blockchain right? not a token?

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Yes, we are building everything from scratch. You name it, we build it Wink
To increase speed, throughput etc. we are building on our own hashgraph, our own database etc. And to ensure the network becomes a common we also developed the governance model.

Principles from Elinor Orstrom and with thoughts going in this direction.
https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-governance-1-1/41/2


 



Tagion FAQ #6


What is a Directed Acyclic Graph?

The Directed Acyclic Graph (DAG) DLT is a solution that offers the benefits of blockchain with better performance.

The idea of a Directed Acyclic Graph is by no means a new one. In mathematics, a DAG is a graph that travels in one direction without cycles connecting the other edges. This means that it is impossible to traverse the entire graph starting at one edge. The edges of the directed graph only go one way. The graph is a topological ordering, that keeps each track of each node. Imagine a collection of individual transactions where each transaction is linked to at least one other transaction in the following way:

Directed

The links point in the same direction with earlier transactions linked to later transactions, and so on.

Acyclic
Loops are not possible. A transaction cannot loop back on itself after linking to another transaction.

Graph

The mesh of connected transactions can be represented as nodes in a graph network, in which nodes are joined to each other by links.


FAQ post:https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-faq/81/7 and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat




#Tagion FAQ #7

How is a #DAG different from other #DLTs (distributed ledger technologies)?

Practical differences between a DAG and a DLT typically include greater scalability and lower transaction fees for a DAG. They offer much higher validation speeds. In fact, whereas #Bitcoin-style blockchain slows down as traffic increases.

A blockchain is a long list of blocks, so in order to find the last transaction, you need to search backward through the whole block (this is time-consuming). To minimize this issue, a #database searches for the unspent output from bitcoin transactions (UTXO) instead.

There is no #mining on DAGs and therefore no need to incentivize miners through mining reward systems and thus, no need to charge users high transaction fees. No mining also means no mining equipment, the sort that you’ve undoubtedly heard uses more energy than entire nations.

With little or no transaction fees, DAGs can be used in situations where blockchain would not be feasible. A prime example is micro or nano-transactions between devices and sensors. DAGs however often contain a fee to reduce spam and to control the supply of money.

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June 18, 2020, 04:29:04 PM
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Question is what is more secure DAG or other DLTs?
Low volume of transactions will make it vulnerable to attacks, or they are often heavily centralized.
Decentralization has not be achieved with DAG so far.
Also none of the DAG projects so far had any significant traction and attention in the world.

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@noteblox1

To be honest the comparison might be a bit off. DAG is a graph structure, DLTs is a more general term for several technologies put together.
Most blockchains use a DAG structure, including Bitcoin. Bitcoin then uses a collection of transactions in a block to do a "clearing" of the transactions.
But transactions can still be on the same as a DAY.

Example: IOTA uses a DAG structure directly without a blockchain for clearing. This means that you need to connect to the server that has your transactions in its database for you to view your coins. This has meant that IOTA uses a centralized server to solve this problem...

In short, most DLT uses a DAG structure, but they use different "Clearings" solutions.



We are going opensource!  Smiley Smiley

Check out our first module on GitHub! More will follow soon...

Find it here https://github.com/tagion/tagion_basic

#release #altcoins #developers #developercommunity



CEO, Theis Simonsen "We have always wanted to be open source. Tagion_basic is our first release and hopefully, it is the first seed to a growing community"

#Tagion has gone #opensource. Our first module is available on #GitHub!

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CTO, Carsten Bleser Rasmussen: "The Tagion_basic release is not much in its self, but it is the foundation for all our future releases"

#Tagion has gone #opensource. Our first module is available on #GitHub!

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Tagion FAQ #5


What is a shard?

A database shard is a horizontal partition of data in a database or search engine. Each individual partition is referred to as a shard or database shard. Each shard is held on a separate file system to spread the load.
Tagion’s database, DART, supports sharding on a single DART where the DART is divided between nodes in the network. This means that only a fraction of the data is stored in a node’s local file system.
One of the examples is having a sub-DART for a video game, so that in-game transactions don’t stall the main network - and ensures the data as it is only the owner of the data that can modify or erase it. This is not the case for a torrent file system.

Some data within a database remains present in all shards, but some appear only in a single shard. Each shard (or server) acts as the single source for this subset of data. A node always has a copy of the data to secure data in case a node is lost. It also improves the load speed because you can load data from several nodes at once. It also reduces distributed denial-of-service (DDoS).

FAQ post:https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-faq/81/7 and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat



This should help against blockchain bloat for sure and will make it much less ressource intensive to run a full node i guess.

Do you have an estimate how big shards will become with time?

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Let me give you an example of how this will work, to clarify further:

Firstly, my answer above is as correct, but technically there is more to it. In the Tagion network, users do not have one or more wallets in the system. Instead, each user owns one or more private spend keys that can unlock their Tagions on the network for use.
Now, for shards - in Tagion, we call a Shard a Sub-DART, as this is technically more correct, as there is more to it than what you have going for traditional database shards. So, I'll be using the term Sub-DART in the following. And now, let's get to it:

As a rule, all Tagions exist in the Main DART. When - for various reasons - it makes sense to have some Tagions assigned to a particular Sub-DART (an example could be Alice's wallet assigning 10 Tagions to Sub-DART A that covers a certain geographical region, optimizing this for transaction speed), the 10 Tagions in the Main DART are locked and then assigned to the Sub-DART.

Now, when Alice, through her wallet pays 5 Tagions to Bob, her own 10 Tagions are destroyed, 5 new are made for herself, 5 new are made for Bob, and Sub-DART ledger entries (anonymous) are updated accordingly. Only once Alice or Bob, or anyone else that may have received Tagions out of Alice's original 10, have their wallet (or software), making a transaction out of Sub-DART A, the Main DART is updated.

This - rather complex setup - helps optimizing transaction speed and reduces the number of required transactions to move funds around, to a minimum.

The transactions that take place and the split of the Tagions in the Sub-DART are all secured by the use of cryptographic signatures, and the Sub-DART ledger makes sure that the locked Tagions in the  Main DART ends up in the right place, once transactions happen through it.

Luckily, the above is invisible to the end-user. The user experience will be that you, through your wallet or other software, request to make a payment or transfer of Tagions to another, and then this happens within a few seconds.

This is - btw - also the same pattern that is used for our DEX (decentralized exchange).

There is not a function that allows for sharing a high transaction workload with other Shards. As the above explains, it will take a transaction out of the Sub-DART, to move Tagions. And then, why not just use the transaction to finalize what needs to be done?

Another thing is that it would be a very positive situation, if we have a "Sub-DART tx overload" situation, as each Sub-DART will be capable of handling thousands of transactions per second and have a transaction fully processed within a few seconds.
We are looking very much forward to test exactly how many thousands of transactions shortly, as we've made quite some updates to the protocols. Our simulations will take place on the Alpha network, and we're hoping to hit only easy solvable bottlenecks - but let's see Smiley
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Let me give you an example of how this will work, to clarify further:

Firstly, my answer above is as correct, but technically there is more to it. In the Tagion network, users do not have one or more wallets in the system. Instead, each user owns one or more private spend keys that can unlock their Tagions on the network for use.
Now, for shards - in Tagion, we call a Shard a Sub-DART, as this is technically more correct, as there is more to it than what you have going for traditional database shards. So, I'll be using the term Sub-DART in the following. And now, let's get to it:

As a rule, all Tagions exist in the Main DART. When - for various reasons - it makes sense to have some Tagions assigned to a particular Sub-DART (an example could be Alice's wallet assigning 10 Tagions to Sub-DART A that covers a certain geographical region, optimizing this for transaction speed), the 10 Tagions in the Main DART are locked and then assigned to the Sub-DART.

Now, when Alice, through her wallet pays 5 Tagions to Bob, her own 10 Tagions are destroyed, 5 new are made for herself, 5 new are made for Bob, and Sub-DART ledger entries (anonymous) are updated accordingly. Only once Alice or Bob, or anyone else that may have received Tagions out of Alice's original 10, have their wallet (or software), making a transaction out of Sub-DART A, the Main DART is updated.

This - rather complex setup - helps optimizing transaction speed and reduces the number of required transactions to move funds around, to a minimum.

The transactions that take place and the split of the Tagions in the Sub-DART are all secured by the use of cryptographic signatures, and the Sub-DART ledger makes sure that the locked Tagions in the  Main DART ends up in the right place, once transactions happen through it.

Luckily, the above is invisible to the end-user. The user experience will be that you, through your wallet or other software, request to make a payment or transfer of Tagions to another, and then this happens within a few seconds.

This is - btw - also the same pattern that is used for our DEX (decentralized exchange).

There is not a function that allows for sharing a high transaction workload with other Shards. As the above explains, it will take a transaction out of the Sub-DART, to move Tagions. And then, why not just use the transaction to finalize what needs to be done?

Another thing is that it would be a very positive situation, if we have a "Sub-DART tx overload" situation, as each Sub-DART will be capable of handling thousands of transactions per second and have a transaction fully processed within a few seconds.
We are looking very much forward to test exactly how many thousands of transactions shortly, as we've made quite some updates to the protocols. Our simulations will take place on the Alpha network, and we're hoping to hit only easy solvable bottlenecks - but let's see Smiley

This sounds awesome!

When can we expect the start of the alpha network and will normal users also be allowed to play around with the alpha network?

Thousands of tx per second would be incredible and several magnitudes higher compared to BTC and ETH... Smiley

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June 30, 2020, 09:01:05 AM
Last edit: July 09, 2020, 03:38:19 PM by mprep
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When can we expect the start of the alpha network and will normal users also be allowed to play around with the alpha network?We do our best not to promise releases before we have tested them thoroughly and are satisfied with them our selves. We have an internal date that we will make public at a later stage

Thousands of tx per second would be incredible and several magnitudes higher compared to BTC and ETH...
It is. We are running some simulations at the moment to present the calculations to the community asap



#Tagion FAQ #8

What is a #Dapp?
A #decentralized application is a computer application that runs on a distributed computing system. Dapps have been popularized by distributed ledger technologies such as the Ethereum Blockchain, where Dapps are often referred to as smart contracts.

Can I build a Dapp on Tagion?
In the classical sense: no. Tagion is optimized for token transfers and is therefore not equipped with a stateful machine. It is, however, possible to build #smartcontracts contracts and run the transfer through Tagion.

Thinking out of the box: yes. It is possible to use #stateless smart contracts, and they have to be compliant with Tagion. Ethereum supports state full smart contracts which makes it simple to write a smart contract that could be used.

FAQ post: https://[Suspicious link removed]/dHp9gZr and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat


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Tagion FAQ #9

Elinor Ostrom was an American political economist whose work was associated with the New Institutional Economics and the resurgence of political economy.

In 2009, she was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in #Economic Sciences for her “analysis of economic governance, especially the #commons”, which she shared with Oliver E. Williamson. To date, she remains the first of only two women to win the #nobelprize in Economics, the other being Esther Duflo.

#Tagion has based much of its governing on the principles for a common that Elinor Orstrom developed.
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Tagion FAQ #9

Elinor Ostrom was an American political economist whose work was associated with the New Institutional Economics and the resurgence of political economy.

In 2009, she was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in #Economic Sciences for her “analysis of economic governance, especially the #commons”, which she shared with Oliver E. Williamson. To date, she remains the first of only two women to win the #nobelprize in Economics, the other being Esther Duflo.

#Tagion has based much of its governing on the principles for a common that Elinor Orstrom developed.


Quick Update:

Last month, we had the first Open Source release, on Github, called Tagion Basic Module.
You can read more about it here: https://landing-i25s.ambassify.com/post/22583?


GitHub Link: https://github.com/tagion/tagion_basic

Note: Every month, we're doing small releases in which we open source the code on our Github repository.
The next big release is the Alpha TestNet Release.
We will post here more details once the content is ready (press release, social media announcements, other landing pages, Github Link).

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Are there potential companies or organizations that are interested in deploying your system? Have you reached out companies that will benefit your ecosystem, if in case they will integrate it in their operations? What set of people are going to be attracted by your system?

And who are your major competitors in your chosen field, can you name popular platforms? What do you think is your edge over them?
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