Even More Evidence of Coronavirus as Financial Reset

[BobK71]

Latest news!

The Lancet recently published a major attack on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as Covid-19 treatment (which has really been shown around the world to be an excellent treatment).

The study has just been retracted by its authors because the data seems to be totally fraudulent.  E.g. the authors couldn't even name the hospitals which provided them with data, when their Australian data looked suspicious to some researchers.

Of course, since the mainstream media relied heavily on this study to attack HCQ just recently, we can now expect a full, immediate and highly visible announcement of their error.  

Why would anyone do something like this?  Think of the enormous consequences in human lives.  Why would any perpetrator expect to get away with this?  So, what kind of power is behind this attack?

Think, and you will understand.  (For details see my original piece on HCQ.)

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[crwth]

I am trying to think but I can't understand, why?? I'm kidding.

Anyways, the reasoning behind this IMO is anything related to money or power. If they somehow have this financial reset, it could kickstart some projects in different parts of the world and the one who benefits from it the most is probably the one who is orchestrating this so-called "reset".

Maybe those fraudulent extents towards the public, to make the masses feel comfortable but the truth is still important IMO.

[jackg]

I don't know why people bother with The Lancet given its many controversies...

HCQ seemed to be proven not to work by other studies and even the original one, there were people saying it had heart and brain side affects but it is a drug licensed for pregnancy so it shouldn't be that bad...

(I should say the study I'm referring to is patients given the drug and some recovered faster but some recovered slower afaik and deteriorated more too).

[exstasie]

Regardless of the politics and conspiracy theories, the results backing HCQ's efficacy just aren't that promising. It's a band-aid solution that might help some people. The fact that early detection and treatment is likely required for any sustained efficacy reinforces that it's not the magic treatment it was once touted as.

The markets don't seem to care either way. 13% unemployment is apparently cause for a rally. Stock indices are edging back near pre-pandemic levels.

What do you make of this price action, BobK71? How does it fit into the financial reset scenario?

[CaVO32]

Regardless of the politics and conspiracy theories, the results backing HCQ's efficacy just aren't that promising. It's a band-aid solution that might help some people. The fact that early detection and treatment is likely required for any sustained efficacy reinforces that it's not the magic treatment it was once touted as.

The markets don't seem to care either way. 13% unemployment is apparently cause for a rally. Stock indices are edging back near pre-pandemic levels.

What do you make of this price action, BobK71? How does it fit into the financial reset scenario?

You are right about HCQ being the band-aid solution for this virus. Researchers just look at it as immediate solution for the moment while waiting for the real one because it is readily available. Since it shows relatively positive effect on some patients, they are developing it as a potential medicine for these COVID patients. Because most people around the globe is in panic mode for the past couple of months, scientists are also in a race to find a potent medicine to cure these infected persons as the vaccine is still far from the horizon.
HCQ may show promising results to other patients but since it is not really developed to address this disease, then, you will really find other unfavourable side effects to some patients. This kind of medicine needs long years of study to various types of individuals to know possible effects and what to expect upon the use of it.

[carter34]

I won't be surprise if more politics starts playing again with the drugs to help in supporting covid-19 patient to survive. As I know that many countries have mentioned
hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as what they use on patient, but the high politics of the world would start a twist on this as time moves.

[momchilandonov]

Why you are so sure that HCQ really works? There are absolutely no relevant data about it.

[BobK71]

I'm not surprised that so many people seem to be negative about HCQ.  This is understandable.  The mainstream media is indeed a powerful story-telling machine.  I'm only lucky to find independent voices who understand the science of it.  (Chris Martenson and Didier Raoult.)

What we have to remember is:

- HCQ is safe and has been around for decades.  Travelers to poor countries used to take it routinely as a prevention against malaria, before the trip.  Only now are we told it is unsafe.  Even in this media climate of criticism against HCQ, only one study can cite significant issues with side effects, and that turns out to be the one with fraudulent data.  (Martenson has shown other studies that show HCQ is ineffective are not based on administering it properly.)

- HCQ is very effective if administered properly.   See reports here, here and here.  Also, studies and experience in China and India are generally positive.  There is other evidence, that I might be able to dig out later.

- HCQ is a generic drug -- there's no real money to be made.  I keep hearing how Trump is going to profit from HCQ.  The only way I know he can profit is by fixing the Covid problem to a large extent, by election time.

- HCQ is under constant attack, and only this side of the story is covered in the media.  We really have to ask why.  (Because it will interfere with the financial reset?)  There are more than enough data to support its use, especially in life-or-death situations, but apparently no data are good enough for establishment scientists like Dr. Fauci, who demand formalized, slow studies, before wanting HCQ used in any generalized way.  Formalized study might be good in and of itself, but, guess what, Martenson reveals that all major HCQ studies have been designed without making sure the drug is taken early and with zinc -- meaning the studies are designed to fail HCQ.

[BobK71]

Regardless of the politics and conspiracy theories, the results backing HCQ's efficacy just aren't that promising. It's a band-aid solution that might help some people. The fact that early detection and treatment is likely required for any sustained efficacy reinforces that it's not the magic treatment it was once touted as.

The markets don't seem to care either way. 13% unemployment is apparently cause for a rally. Stock indices are edging back near pre-pandemic levels.

What do you make of this price action, BobK71? How does it fit into the financial reset scenario?

'Some people,' as in a large majority of those with symptoms?

There is no need for 'early detection' as if it was cancer.  Just take HCQ when you have Covid symptoms.  And trust me, when you have Covid symptoms, you know.  What advocates suggest is to take HCQ as soon as you suspect Covid, even before your Covid test comes back positive.  If you turn out to be negative, you can always stop.

HCQ is effective enough that Dr. Raoult considers it unethical to conduct placebo studies at this point.  That is, unfair to patients who are given placebo.

Once touted, but not any more, by the power of the media.  (At some point, people are just going to stop listening to lies, if they haven't already done so.)

These are early days indeed for a financial reset.  Even something as drastic as the Great Depression took from 1929 to 1934 before the system was fully reset. A controlled demolition like this might take even longer.

[cabron]

- HCQ is a generic drug -- there's no real money to be made.  I keep hearing how Trump is going to profit from HCQ.  The only way I know he can profit is by fixing the Covid problem to a large extent, by election time.

I thought the one who'd profit are the ones who have more BTC because they are resetting the financial system with blockchain

Whether this HCQ is just a band-aid solution for Covid patients, its still giving them time to live until their body resistance can fight the virus. If its easy to buy this drug, it would be good to buy some for now. There are people treating Covid with just Aspirin actually and some of them survived. There's also Intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG) I think I have read this on youtube where they claimed it works for them.

[Sanugarid]

So what will Trump going to do with his 29 million HCQ tablets that he ordered from India? lol

This retraction is a massive news, obviously there is a political and business agenda behind this one. There has been no reliable data for HCQ to cure corona virus yet we already seen the demand for it like what the hell?
And Lancet as world's credible medical journal is going to be in a deep freak after this, they might face a sanction for this, and the authors for the HCQ findings will surely be arrested for unethical data gathering.

[exstasie]

Regardless of the politics and conspiracy theories, the results backing HCQ's efficacy just aren't that promising. It's a band-aid solution that might help some people. The fact that early detection and treatment is likely required for any sustained efficacy reinforces that it's not the magic treatment it was once touted as.

'Some people,' as in a large majority of those with symptoms?

That's a very weak claim without control groups.

There is no need for 'early detection' as if it was cancer.

That's not what your boy Martenson says. He tried to discredit studies that failed to show HCQ's efficacy on the basis that treatment wasn't administered early enough.

HCQ is effective enough that Dr. Raoult considers it unethical to conduct placebo studies at this point.  That is, unfair to patients who are given placebo.

That's perfectly fine for his patients but it's insane to offer as scientific evidence. Without control groups, there is no way to distinguish between HCQ treatment and the ordinary course of the disease.

Here is a recently published randomized and controlled study that shows HCQ is barely more effective than a placebo, if at all: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-placebo-study-finds

The researchers enrolled 821 mostly younger and healthy adults with an average age of 40 who had no symptoms at the time. Within four days of exposure, each received a delivery from a courier of a package containing either placebo or hydroxychloroquine. The pills were to be taken over five days, starting with a stronger dose on day one.

About one in eight (107 out of 821) of the participants developed Covid-19 over the 14-day follow-up period. Both confirmed cases and probable cases – those not tested but judged on symptoms – were included in the study owing to some lack of availability of diagnostic testing in the US.

Among those who received hydroxychloroquine, 49 developed Covid-19 (or compatible symptoms such as fever or cough), compared with 58 in the group that received the placebo. The difference is not considered to be significant. Two patients had to treated in hospital, one in each group and there were no deaths.

People given hydroxychloroquine were more likely to report side-effects such as nausea and stomach pain – 40% v 17%. But there were no serious reactions and no heart rhythm disturbances, which is a known issue with the drug.

“While we had hope this drug would work in this context, our study demonstrates that hydroxychloroquine is no better than placebo when used as post-exposure prophylaxis within four days of exposure to someone infected with the new coronavirus,” said Dr Todd Lee, an associate professor of medicine, division of infectious diseases at McGill University in Canada and one of the lead authors of the study.

“Our study’s results set politics aside and provide unbiased evidence to guide practice in the prevention of Covid-19 and reinforce the importance of randomised clinical trials as we work together nationally and internationally to combat the novel coronavirus,’’ said Dr Ryan Zarychanski, an associate professor of internal medicine at the University of Manitoba, Canada.

These are early days indeed for a financial reset.  Even something as drastic as the Great Depression took from 1929 to 1934 before the system was fully reset. A controlled demolition like this might take even longer.

What if stock indices go to new ATHs from here? Will that change your view?

[dothebeats]

The early reports regarding HCQ isn't really well-documented, or those who have received the said treatment are very few for it to be considered on a large scale. Upon further research, testing and monitoring of the said drug on COVID-19 patients, there are those that actually survived, although there are many who experienced side-effects that are then jotted down for republishing purposes. By then, people are just desperate for a cure since vaccines are still a year away, then came the hype re: HCQ by few doctors who claimed its miracles. I might have been swooned by the hype few months back (sometime in March) as well since it's been a while since I encountered the name hydroxychloroquine and just knew that it was an effective anti-malarial agent with dizziness and loss of appetite as its initial side-effects, and thought that it could work potentially as an inhibitor to SARS-CoV-2 once the drug binds to the ACE2 receptors of our cells--which, to its own merit, actually work. I never knew that it has side-effects more haunting than what it was originally advertised for, hence why I hated Trump and myself for claiming it to be the temporary savior while we find a vaccine.

While later studies show that HCQ + azithromycin combo might be deadly on immunocompromised patients, I don't think that it was intentionally done such that it serves as a subtle way of culling the population further. Things like this often happen in the medical world, and that's why confirmatory analysis paired with different independent researches much produce the same results or the study isn't going to be as solid as people think it actually is.

So what will Trump going to do with his 29 million HCQ tablets that he ordered from India? lol

It can be repurposed to treat malaria cases, or can be sold cheap to countries where malarial outbreak still happens so as to recoup some of the money invested on such a stupid move.

This retraction is a massive news, obviously there is a political and business agenda behind this one. There has been no reliable data for HCQ to cure corona virus yet we already seen the demand for it like what the hell?
And Lancet as world's credible medical journal is going to be in a deep freak after this, they might face a sanction for this, and the authors for the HCQ findings will surely be arrested for unethical data gathering.

There are reports from big names although they cannot provide the actual numbers and the hospitals which actually used the treatment successfully. HCQ is effective on other things, but not really COVID-19, which I think is a placebo since most of those patients are already receiving other treatments for pneumonia, which is the virus' deadliest complication on its latter stages.

Also, the Lancet has been in controversies big and small before, so I don't think they don't know how to handle the backlash if there ever is one.

[BobK71]

Guys, the issue is really very simple.

Without any medical knowledge, we know we have two camps of a medical debate.

One camp has the support of the media (as evidenced by the media having used a fraudulent study to land its most serious blows on the other camp, and then failed to visibly report the retraction of that study, plus previous bias.)  The other camp has no power and influence, and must depend on being right.

The camp having support of the media feels both emboldened and desperate enough to make up data for a study with major impacts on public opinion.  The authors of the study themselves eventually apologize 'deeply' when they have been caught, and tried and failed to argue their way out.

Without knowing anything medical, which side is more likely to be right?

[plvbob0070]

But according to this article that it is not really the main solution or vaccine for the virus.

More than 11,000 patients with Covid-19 are taking part, with 1,542 patients given hydroxychloroquine.

Due to mounting controversy about the drug, the UK's drug regulator last night asked the Oxford researchers to review their data.

The results showed 25.7% of people taking hydroxychloroquine had died after 28 days. This compared with 23.5% who were given standard hospital treatment.

Source:

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-52937153

There is no assurance that this medicine will treat COVID patients. If this medicine worked with other patients, there are also patients who tested this drug but didn't work out. So they can't just let everyone use this as a treatment because it will put all patients at risk with no 100% assurance that they will get treated when they intake this drug.

HCQ is being used even before to treat other illnesses but COVID-19 is new so they can't just let the patients use it without further study on how this will help to stop the pandemic.

[davis196]

Latest news!

The Lancet recently published a major attack on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as Covid-19 treatment (which has really been shown around the world to be an excellent treatment).

The study has just been retracted by its authors because the data seems to be totally fraudulent.  E.g. the authors couldn't even name the hospitals which provided them with data, when their Australian data looked suspicious to some researchers.

Of course, since the mainstream media relied heavily on this study to attack HCQ just recently, we can now expect a full, immediate and highly visible announcement of their error.  

Why would anyone do something like this?  Think of the enormous consequences in human lives.  Why would any perpetrator expect to get away with this?  So, what kind of power is behind this attack?

Think, and you will understand.  (For details see my original piece on HCQ.)

I read some conspiracy theories about the US liberal media attacking HCQ only because Trump supports that medicament.This sounds ridiculous,but I'm not surprised how crazy the US liberals can become.
HCQ is highly effective in the treatment of the early stage of the coronavirus infection.
After the patient gets hospitalized and has difficulties with breathing,HCQ is not very effective at all and has damaging side effects.This is my conlusion based on the stuff that I read.I'm not an expert.

[Latviand]

So what will Trump going to do with his 29 million HCQ tablets that he ordered from India? lol

This retraction is a massive news, obviously there is a political and business agenda behind this one. There has been no reliable data for HCQ to cure corona virus yet we already seen the demand for it like what the hell?
And Lancet as world's credible medical journal is going to be in a deep freak after this, they might face a sanction for this, and the authors for the HCQ findings will surely be arrested for unethical data gathering.

It is not that instant to make a cure, vaccine or medicine for the Covid-19 because it should take a lot of time and budget to prove its effectiveness to human. Trump really did a bad decision for that, he really want to make things at instant, he did not plan this for sure. He should allocated those budgets or funds to the medical sector for medicines and facilities. The number of active cases in their country is extremely high and it is the highest so he should be accountable for that. Money really talks, The HCQ is really not that proven effective for a long term medicine for this virus, he should contributed to the making and discovering of the vaccine to the laboratories, instead of that wrong decision.

[mnporter2001]

You should know how to read newspapers. What you read only reflects a small part of the truth. No one wants to stop Lancet's invention, it's just that his invention has not been tested and it needs to be tested before making an official announcement. In many countries, they take advantage of the opportunity to make fake drugs to combat corona virus. they made hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars by selling fake goods at high prices. That's why the government has to get in quickly to stop this.

[meto012]

I am trying to think but I can't understand, why?? I'm kidding.
Anyways, the reasoning behind this IMO is anything related to money or power. If they somehow have this financial reset, it could kickstart some projects in different parts of the world and the one who benefits from it the most is probably the one who is orchestrating this so-called "reset".
Maybe those fraudulent extents towards the public, to make the masses feel comfortable but the truth is still important IMO.

Perhaps, its just a bunch of unrealistically rich people which just did this "reset" right after they sold every coin/token/asset/stock out there, then waited for big march dump and re-bought everything. No start-up or other business needed to make profit from this "reset"

[sana54210]

Resetting the economy wouldn't be a problem if we could just get better without crashing once a decade. Look at 2008, it hurt so many people and so many business' that it was known as one of the worst ever crashes in history (I still say 1927 was worse by stats but I wasn't alive so I can't say for sure) and just 12 years later we have another.

If we had 2008 and didn't have this 2020, we would be fine. Or if we didn't had 2008 and only had 1987 we would have been fine.
But what happens is, economy constantly crashes and rebuilds, that is not something we can cover for too long, the more it happens the worse we get. Big companies gets bailed out, but the small ones and regular workers do not get a bail out, so they just get worse over time with every single crash and never recover from it.

[BobK71]

Here is a recently published randomized and controlled study that shows HCQ is barely more effective than a placebo, if at all: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-placebo-study-finds

The researchers enrolled 821 mostly younger and healthy adults with an average age of 40 who had no symptoms at the time. Within four days of exposure, each received a delivery from a courier of a package containing either placebo or hydroxychloroquine. The pills were to be taken over five days, starting with a stronger dose on day one.

About one in eight (107 out of 821) of the participants developed Covid-19 over the 14-day follow-up period. Both confirmed cases and probable cases – those not tested but judged on symptoms – were included in the study owing to some lack of availability of diagnostic testing in the US.

Among those who received hydroxychloroquine, 49 developed Covid-19 (or compatible symptoms such as fever or cough), compared with 58 in the group that received the placebo. The difference is not considered to be significant. Two patients had to treated in hospital, one in each group and there were no deaths.

People given hydroxychloroquine were more likely to report side-effects such as nausea and stomach pain – 40% v 17%. But there were no serious reactions and no heart rhythm disturbances, which is a known issue with the drug.

“While we had hope this drug would work in this context, our study demonstrates that hydroxychloroquine is no better than placebo when used as post-exposure prophylaxis within four days of exposure to someone infected with the new coronavirus,” said Dr Todd Lee, an associate professor of medicine, division of infectious diseases at McGill University in Canada and one of the lead authors of the study.

“Our study’s results set politics aside and provide unbiased evidence to guide practice in the prevention of Covid-19 and reinforce the importance of randomised clinical trials as we work together nationally and internationally to combat the novel coronavirus,’’ said Dr Ryan Zarychanski, an associate professor of internal medicine at the University of Manitoba, Canada.

Most importantly, the whole aim of this study was to evaluate HCQ as a preventive measure.  I have not claimed or read that HCQ works well as a prevention (with the possible exception of Trump!)  Its power to cure Covid once serious symptoms appear (but before hospitalization) has been fully documented around the world.

Martenson also points out that this study suffers from a few major shortcomings: patients were given the treatment up to 4 days after exposure -- this might be too late.  Also, the dosage seems too high, so side effects can be expected.

[BobK71]

Resetting the economy wouldn't be a problem if we could just get better without crashing once a decade. Look at 2008, it hurt so many people and so many business' that it was known as one of the worst ever crashes in history (I still say 1927 was worse by stats but I wasn't alive so I can't say for sure) and just 12 years later we have another.

If we had 2008 and didn't have this 2020, we would be fine. Or if we didn't had 2008 and only had 1987 we would have been fine.
But what happens is, economy constantly crashes and rebuilds, that is not something we can cover for too long, the more it happens the worse we get. Big companies gets bailed out, but the small ones and regular workers do not get a bail out, so they just get worse over time with every single crash and never recover from it.

Yes, totally agreed.  The boom-bust cycle is built into the fabric of our modern financial system.

The reason is quite simple, really.  Since the central authorities (governments, big banks and central banks) control how much money and credit get created, and are the primary beneficiaries of such creation, they are incentivized to create more assets than justified by how much the economy grows naturally.

Over time, the state-supported bubble in the value of money and debt will always crash, especially because the major beneficiaries are incentivized to use deception, war, etc. to support the bubbles.

This is not only because, objectively, lying and killing simply can't last forever, but also because bigger and bigger lies and killings must occur to cover up the instability caused by the previous lying and killing.

So, even from the elites' point of view, eventually, the exercise in muddling through (as has happened at least since 2008 -- a big part of which has been the inequality you mention) becomes more trouble than it's worth, and it becomes better to do a big reset once and for all (or at least until the next big bust, hopefully long into the future.)

[bearexin]

How sure are you that hydroxychloroquine can cure the Coronavirus? When the virus started spreading earlier this year I was seeing claims from some articles (though they were not 100% sure about it) that hydroxychloroquine can cure Coronavirus. I started doing some research and following up with researches on the drug to know if it can really cure Covid-19 as said.

But from what I have got to understand, the case got serious for those patients that were given the hydroxychloroquine. So, this is not a cure for the Covid-19. Let's have patience and wait for the vaccine that's already on the way because almost 500 different suggestions were made to be used some existing medicine for curing covid19 but no solid proven results.

[BobK71]

How sure are you that hydroxychloroquine can cure the Coronavirus? When the virus started spreading earlier this year I was seeing claims from some articles (though they were not 100% sure about it) that hydroxychloroquine can cure Coronavirus. I started doing some research and following up with researches on the drug to know if it can really cure Covid-19 as said.

But from what I have got to understand, the case got serious for those patients that were given the hydroxychloroquine. So, this is not a cure for the Covid-19. Let's have patience and wait for the vaccine that's already on the way because almost 500 different suggestions were made to be used some existing medicine for curing covid19 but no solid proven results.

Regarding the effectiveness of HCQ, see reports here, here and here.  I have more evidence, if allowed time to dig it out.  (E.g. go to Didier Raoult's Twitter feeds.)

We have to be very careful searching the web for HCQ related information.  Major studies have shown and will show that HCQ is not effective.  These have also been reported extensively by the mainstream media, so you can see their contents repeated all over.

As Martenson points out, however, these studies seem to be designed to fail, because the treatment is not given properly (not early enough, and/or not with zinc.)  When the treatment is done right, overwhelming evidence suggests HCQ is *very* good at suppressing the virus before it does damage, and curing the patient of Covid.  (As the links above show.)

Why would anyone deliberately undermine an excellent treatment?  Who has the power to do such a thing and expect not to be punished?  (E.g. the fraudulent study in Lancet.)  As I mentioned, these are yet more circumstantial pieces of evidence that Covid is a cover for financial reset by blowing up the global asset bubbles eventually.

Let us rename Covid Coverid 

[BobK71]

The early reports regarding HCQ isn't really well-documented, or those who have received the said treatment are very few for it to be considered on a large scale. Upon further research, testing and monitoring of the said drug on COVID-19 patients, there are those that actually survived, although there are many who experienced side-effects that are then jotted down for republishing purposes. By then, people are just desperate for a cure since vaccines are still a year away, then came the hype re: HCQ by few doctors who claimed its miracles. I might have been swooned by the hype few months back (sometime in March) as well since it's been a while since I encountered the name hydroxychloroquine and just knew that it was an effective anti-malarial agent with dizziness and loss of appetite as its initial side-effects, and thought that it could work potentially as an inhibitor to SARS-CoV-2 once the drug binds to the ACE2 receptors of our cells--which, to its own merit, actually work. I never knew that it has side-effects more haunting than what it was originally advertised for, hence why I hated Trump and myself for claiming it to be the temporary savior while we find a vaccine.

While later studies show that HCQ + azithromycin combo might be deadly on immunocompromised patients, I don't think that it was intentionally done such that it serves as a subtle way of culling the population further. Things like this often happen in the medical world, and that's why confirmatory analysis paired with different independent researches much produce the same results or the study isn't going to be as solid as people think it actually is.

So what will Trump going to do with his 29 million HCQ tablets that he ordered from India? lol

It can be repurposed to treat malaria cases, or can be sold cheap to countries where malarial outbreak still happens so as to recoup some of the money invested on such a stupid move.

This retraction is a massive news, obviously there is a political and business agenda behind this one. There has been no reliable data for HCQ to cure corona virus yet we already seen the demand for it like what the hell?
And Lancet as world's credible medical journal is going to be in a deep freak after this, they might face a sanction for this, and the authors for the HCQ findings will surely be arrested for unethical data gathering.

There are reports from big names although they cannot provide the actual numbers and the hospitals which actually used the treatment successfully. HCQ is effective on other things, but not really COVID-19, which I think is a placebo since most of those patients are already receiving other treatments for pneumonia, which is the virus' deadliest complication on its latter stages.

Also, the Lancet has been in controversies big and small before, so I don't think they don't know how to handle the backlash if there ever is one.

I don't think the survival of Lancet is a major concern for most people.

Again, the issue is really simple: why was it necessary to fabricate data in order to wage a major campaign against HCQ in the media?  And why are there no consequences for those involved?

These are a matter of record, not just conspiracy theories.

These questions will hopefully, directly and indirectly, unravel a lot of truth in the minds of the thinking.

[exstasie]

Again, the issue is really simple: why was it necessary to fabricate data in order to wage a major campaign against HCQ in the media?  And why are there no consequences for those involved?

There was an obvious political element. Trump pushed hydroxychloroquine (resulting in a huge national stockpile) on the basis of very flimsy evidence, so there was a natural backlash from his political opponents. There have been questionable studies published on both sides.

Regardless, the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine appears modest at best, and hasn't been demonstrated in any clinical trials. It carries known cardiac risks which also need to weighed against that modest efficacy.

Why the obsession with hydroxychloroquine? If it were some magic cure for COVID-19, I get it, but it's very clearly not. It feels like people are just desperate for economic relief, or in other terms, an effective treatment that can end the need for social distancing and business closures.

[BobK71]

Again, the issue is really simple: why was it necessary to fabricate data in order to wage a major campaign against HCQ in the media?  And why are there no consequences for those involved?

There was an obvious political element. Trump pushed hydroxychloroquine (resulting in a huge national stockpile) on the basis of very flimsy evidence, so there was a natural backlash from his political opponents. There have been questionable studies published on both sides.

The anti-Trump political forces alone don't have that kind of power.  It was the power to silence or engage all major media outlets, including the pro-Trump Fox network, plus mainstream virology scientists, plus all the politicians, including pro-Trump ones.

Regardless, the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine appears modest at best, and hasn't been demonstrated in any clinical trials. It carries known cardiac risks which also need to weighed against that modest efficacy.

Why the obsession with hydroxychloroquine? If it were some magic cure for COVID-19, I get it, but it's very clearly not. It feels like people are just desperate for economic relief, or in other terms, an effective treatment that can end the need for social distancing and business closures.

HCQ is close to if not the silver bullet in terms of treatment.  If you read the OP in my other threads on this topic it would be clear.

Here is a summary of the evidence.

Again I ask, if as you say HCQ is such a lame technique, why the necessity to make up a 5-continent data set out of thin air, plus engage the entire mainstream media, just to discredit it?  Why such urgency?  Maybe because the technique was on the brink of going 'viral' around the world (pardon the pun?)  This last bit is just a conjecture.

[Negotiation]

Needless to say, no one was ready for this special situation. Technology has the potential to play a major role in coronavirus control. Grameenphone has been working with various governmental and non-governmental organizations including A2I, Ministry of Health, Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications, BTRC, NTMC, World Health Organization, UNICEF, BRAC from the very beginning.

If we really want to deal with an epidemic that we believe in, we must all come together. And there is no substitute for a concerted effort to stand by the people. Trump is already working with China and India for economic development.

[jrrsparkles]

Trump is already working with China and India for economic development.

I don't think so based on the recent activities of India and US against Chinese government.Even WHO is preparing a team to analyse and find what is the actual reason for this covid 19 in China but China didn't allow them to do yet.So countries like China is not really interested to cure this disease, they just see this as an opportunity to become super power of this world when all other countries are struggling in pandemic.

[ChiBitCTy]

I really don't think there is anything more to all of this other than it's unfamiliar ground to everyone and there is a good bit of trial and error.  The coronavirus effects everyone, as well as all governments. If things end up getting worse stock market wise, it's going to hurt even the elite. This drug has been deemed not safe, and it's more so conjecture that it's actually helping people on a wide scale.

[BobK71]

I really don't think there is anything more to all of this other than it's unfamiliar ground to everyone and there is a good bit of trial and error.  The coronavirus effects everyone, as well as all governments. If things end up getting worse stock market wise, it's going to hurt even the elite. This drug has been deemed not safe, and it's more so conjecture that it's actually helping people on a wide scale.

This is not just a medical debate.  Where there is foul play, it should raise eyebrows.

Yes, a stock market drop would be a problem for the rich and powerful.  But the top elites probably realize that a financial reset is needed at this time, to keep the system stable, and to avoid a crash, which would be worse.

[Febo]

Trump is already working with China and India for economic development.

I don't think so based on the recent activities of India and US against Chinese government.Even WHO is preparing a team to analyse and find what is the actual reason for this covid 19 in China but China didn't allow them to do yet.So countries like China is not really interested to cure this disease, they just see this as an opportunity to become super power of this world when all other countries are struggling in pandemic.

Everyone is interested in finding vaccine for covid-19 and everyone is interested in reducing its spread as much as possible. It is a global cause.   WHO is doing its job. Let them do it. It is their job to do it, that is why it was made and exist.

[Alobo Realer]

There are many things behind the retraction of HCQ
Both political and otherwise. Trump already spent enough ordering for the tabs and not even in the next life would Trump give up his money. Still allot to come in the news about this.

[LeGaulois]

...

Doing its job?

At first, they said it wasn't serious and it wasn't a health emergency. A few days later they said the opposite, advising us to wear masks and everything. How could they say it wasn't important when we don't even know about this disease.

It is good to remember that Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus did the same thing with Ebola when he was minister of health in Ethiopia. Finally, it was discovered that this was so as not to scare investors in the country.

I'm sure it's the same thing with covid-19, so as not to damage the world economy. You see, money first, your life comes second.

WHO can not do its job properly when it has governance problems by the way.

And since we're talking about a financial reset, it's interesting to know that countries collected a lot of gold recently and I don't remember from where it was coming but there were even 400 tons of gold transferred to New York in the last 3 months...

[dentolas]

I think this HCQ issue is a clear demonstration of the economical powers that rule stuff behid the scenes... on one hand someone wants to sell HCQ to covid-19 patients and this would be an imense deal, and on the other hand there is the competiton that wants to get HCQ out of the scene...
only time will tell if any of these thesis are actually true

[exstasie]

HCQ is close to if not the silver bullet in terms of treatment.  If you read the OP in my other threads on this topic it would be clear.

Here is a summary of the evidence.

A reduction of 50% in mortality (which could be caused by a large number of different factors in an observational study) is definitely not this:

sil·ver bul·let
a simple and seemingly magical solution to a complicated problem.

The additional caveat that early treatment is seemingly necessary for efficacy is another issue. I just don't see why anyone would pin all their hopes on this drug, especially absent any clinical trials that suggest significant results. Can it be a placeholder until a better treatment is found? Sure, and that's the position of the some of the more reasonable sources in that article. Basically, that something is better than nothing.

That is no silver bullet and I certainly hope much more effective treatments are found, because Americans seem to have no interest in controlling the spread of the virus.

Again I ask, if as you say HCQ is such a lame technique, why the necessity to make up a 5-continent data set out of thin air, plus engage the entire mainstream media, just to discredit it?  Why such urgency?

Ask the tiny data analytics company and the 3 scientists behind the discredited studies. Not sure why you're trying to paint this as some huge conspiracy.

[kawetsriyanto]

Then, how is the correlation with Coronavirus as Financial Reset? Is this talking about treatments for COVID or its impact on global finance? I do agree, maybe for some parties, COVID-19 has become one of the financial resets at several points. however, if their income does not depend on daily activities and routines, then it might not have much effect. And related to COVID-19 treatment, I personally do not fully believe before the treatment is proven.

[Febo]

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Doing its job?

Yes I directly replied on jrrsparkles post. He said that WHO "is analyse and find what is the actual reason for this covid 19 in China"    Doing this is their job. That is why we have WHO.

[Rengga Jati]

Well, let's point out the thread here. So, are you informing and promoting about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as Covid-19 treatment or infirming us about the negative impact of COVID-19 virus on the financial system?
About the treatment of this virus, there are several similar cases that claim the treatment for this virus but until now this is not happening. So, probably we will need more evic=dences to ensure that this is the exact treatment that can be used by all people in all countries in this world.

Second, about the financial reset because of the coronavirus pandemic. yes, it can be one of the factors. As we know that many countries face crisis financially and moreover globally. Many industries collapse, closed, and also many of them are bankrupt because of this virus. Many people in the world lose their jobs, lose their income and also get poor because of this pandemic, they can work again to fulfil their needs. they only have money for food but no money for other necessities. After this virus ends, I cannot think how they can reset their income and also financial from the start.

However, it may not influence all people. Many people working by online likely in the crypto world may still be able to get the income and also no need to reset the financial system.

[audaciousbeing]

Latest news!

The Lancet recently published a major attack on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as Covid-19 treatment (which has really been shown around the world to be an excellent treatment).

The study has just been retracted by its authors because the data seems to be totally fraudulent.  E.g. the authors couldn't even name the hospitals which provided them with data, when their Australian data looked suspicious to some researchers.

Of course, since the mainstream media relied heavily on this study to attack HCQ just recently, we can now expect a full, immediate and highly visible announcement of their error.  

Why would anyone do something like this?  Think of the enormous consequences in human lives.  Why would any perpetrator expect to get away with this?  So, what kind of power is behind this attack?

Think, and you will understand.  (For details see my original piece on HCQ.)

The real question is why would anyone really do anything and the answer to that is because of money or power. In this case, while it might not be directly related to making money, it is directed to someone else losing money thereby directing the attention of the world to another area entirely probably another drug that can be used to tackle the disease which in this case makes money for the people concerned. I just hope a cure is found or a drug discovered to allows thins back to normal.

[BobK71]

HCQ is close to if not the silver bullet in terms of treatment.  If you read the OP in my other threads on this topic it would be clear.

Here is a summary of the evidence.

A reduction of 50% in mortality (which could be caused by a large number of different factors in an observational study) is definitely not this:

sil·ver bul·let
a simple and seemingly magical solution to a complicated problem.

If you even read the link in my quote, the efficacy is far more than 50%.  And not just to prevent death, but to cure the disease.

The additional caveat that early treatment is seemingly necessary for efficacy is another issue. I just don't see why anyone would pin all their hopes on this drug, especially absent any clinical trials that suggest significant results. Can it be a placeholder until a better treatment is found? Sure, and that's the position of the some of the more reasonable sources in that article. Basically, that something is better than nothing.

Yes, this is the standard line of the establishment: since we have no gold-plated studies to validate HCQ+ yet, all of the evidence in its favor counts as anecdotal (this is the word used by Fauci, BTW.) Of course the US government is designing proper clinical trials of HCQ.  But, guess what, since the trial designs don't account for timeliness of treatment and don't account for zinc, they're going to fail HCQ.  Oh, what a pity.

Again I ask, if as you say HCQ is such a lame technique, why the necessity to make up a 5-continent data set out of thin air, plus engage the entire mainstream media, just to discredit it?  Why such urgency?

Ask the tiny data analytics company and the 3 scientists behind the discredited studies. Not sure why you're trying to paint this as some huge conspiracy.

If the 3 or 4 people in this fake-data study got their 'results' broadcast around the world by the entire Western media, that is all you need for a huge conspiracy to succeed, isn't it?

Anyone who doesn't think this is a big deal should think of the following scenario: if and when you or one of your loved ones get covid 19 and begin to be hard of breathing, and you know this illness would have been stopped in its tracks, if it were not for the media widely broadcasting a hit-piece, fake-data study against HCQ, so that even if you want this treatment, you can't get it, either because there are rules against it, or you can't find a doctor who will prescribe it, or both, how are you going to feel?

[BobK71]

Then, how is the correlation with Coronavirus as Financial Reset? Is this talking about treatments for COVID or its impact on global finance? I do agree, maybe for some parties, COVID-19 has become one of the financial resets at several points. however, if their income does not depend on daily activities and routines, then it might not have much effect. And related to COVID-19 treatment, I personally do not fully believe before the treatment is proven.

Please see here for a summary of the evidence for and against HCQ-type treatment.

The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of HCQ.

[BobK71]

Well, let's point out the thread here. So, are you informing and promoting about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as Covid-19 treatment or infirming us about the negative impact of COVID-19 virus on the financial system?
About the treatment of this virus, there are several similar cases that claim the treatment for this virus but until now this is not happening. So, probably we will need more evic=dences to ensure that this is the exact treatment that can be used by all people in all countries in this world.

Second, about the financial reset because of the coronavirus pandemic. yes, it can be one of the factors. As we know that many countries face crisis financially and moreover globally. Many industries collapse, closed, and also many of them are bankrupt because of this virus. Many people in the world lose their jobs, lose their income and also get poor because of this pandemic, they can work again to fulfil their needs. they only have money for food but no money for other necessities. After this virus ends, I cannot think how they can reset their income and also financial from the start.

However, it may not influence all people. Many people working by online likely in the crypto world may still be able to get the income and also no need to reset the financial system.

I am stating my theory that the covid 19 virus was deliberately released onto the world by China and the Western establishment in order to reset the global financial system.  And I'm saying the brutal killing by the establishment of HCQ+ as a very effective treatment against covid is more evidence that this theory may be correct.

See here for a summary of the evidence for and against HCQ+ treatment.

The financial reset is not a reset of anyone's personal finance.  It will be a reset of the entire system, so that the claims to wealth will more closely match the the actual wealth in goods, services, commodities, etc.  These two values have become dangerously imbalanced over the last decades from a global asset bubble that was basically driven by central banks and politicians.

From the elites' point of view, proactively deflating a bubble is better than letting it burst, everything else being equal.

As you mention, there will be financial casualties among the population.  From the elites' point of view, as long as such casualties don't ultimately cause enough social unrest to endanger the major pieces of their agenda, they will have been successful.

[BobK71]

The real question is why would anyone really do anything and the answer to that is because of money or power. In this case, while it might not be directly related to making money, it is directed to someone else losing money thereby directing the attention of the world to another area entirely probably another drug that can be used to tackle the disease which in this case makes money for the people concerned. I just hope a cure is found or a drug discovered to allows thins back to normal.

I know this is a popular theory among people who know this Lancet fake-data issue.

The only problem I have with this theory is that the people looking to make future money off covid don't have that kind of power.  We're talking about the power to direct the entire Western mainstream media to report the hit-piece against HCQ but to make sure few people know the retraction of the study, and we're talking about the entire political establishment being at least silent while a great treatment is killed (and this includes not just pro-Trump politicians, but Trump himself, to a sufficient extent.)

[BobK71]

For the performance of HCQ, a picture may be worth a thousand words...

Case Fatality Rates by Country