Global untraceable phone calls - is it still a good idea?

[limikael]

Thank you so much guys for testing!

Will summarise some points here...

- Regarding the delay for the echo test. Depends on what you mean... The way that echo test works, is that it records for 5 seconds, then
reads back the recording. So that part of the delay is by design. But then also, I have noticed a bit of delay which I think is because of the location of my server. Ideally it should be close to where the caller is. Since I'm in Indonesia, I put it in Singapore. Which I don't think is close to where my costumers will be, so I think I will move it. Eventually have several servers in different continents, but should probably start with North America or Europe rater than Asia.

- I don't have a "rate table", because there are many different rates depending on the number you are calling. The way to get the rate for a number is to type it in the number input field and it will be shown. It is not 100% clear that it is supposed to work that way though, so will add a note about it.

- Yep there is an echo test by calling the number 801. But it is a bit hard to find, so will add a note about that too.

- The reason why you have to create an account is because I thought it will be too easy to lose your credit otherwise. If you don't have an account, the only way to associate you with your credit would be through a cookie in the browser, so if you clear your cookies, the credit will be gone. But then again, this is actually the way e.g. lightning-roulette.com works, i.e. with a cookie. And it is also the way good old phone booths worked, they didn't have an "account", you just paid the money for one phone call before you made it. So I think I will introduce a kind of signup-less temporary accounts, where the credit will be associated with a cookie. This is actually the way my old service worked, and I think this is OK as long as it is clearly stated. Either that, or I could add meta mask support, which will give a more anonymous signup. I have thought about both of these options, which one do you think I should prioritise?

- I don't know where that SSL error comes from... () I tried with Firefox just now, and it worked fine for me. I haven't done a lot of cross browser testing though, so I think I will get myself an account at Browsersack to do that.

Alright, thanks a lot for testing and feedback! This gives me a to do list which I will chip away at. Will let you know when there is something new to test!

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[dkbit98]

When you type in a correct/valid number, it'll show you the rates beneath the number ^{[not sure if it was added recently]}.

I just tested this and I can confirm that you are right, but rates are a bit higher than I expected for calls in Europe, maybe because server and everything else is based in United States.

This is actually the way my old service worked, and I think this is OK as long as it is clearly stated. Either that, or I could add meta mask support, which will give a more anonymous signup. I have thought about both of these options, which one do you think I should prioritise?

I don't want to use anything like this that is connected with metamask wallet, so temporary sign-up would be just fine.
Maybe you can create something like Chipmixer website is using with their Session Token that is used to restore last session.
I don't have anything against normal sign-up registration as long as I don't have to use email addresses or real phone numbers.

[DaveF]

2) You need to have a 'test call' option.

It seems that it already has that option ^{[you just have to dial "801" and it doesn't require having an account]}.

Missed that with it not being on the 1st page / main page. My bad.
Did a test and it did work, going to try it at a location behind a sonicwall and see if it functions. Some services do work others do not. We have never been able to figure out why and neither has sonicwall. Never cared that much since what they need to use works, but it's been my test to see how other services handle oddball configurations.

-Dave

[limikael]

I just tested this and I can confirm that you are right, but rates are a bit higher than I expected for calls in Europe, maybe because server and everything else is based in United States.

Well it is mainly because the operator I use for the trunking of the calls is an American company. This in combination with the EU roaming regulations from 2016 which makes calls within EU cheap, which in turn made the telcos charge more from calls from outside the EU. The solution would be to use a European company to trunk the calls, and there is no reason why I can't have several and chose the one that is cheaper for each call. I have a European one too, but I haven't been able to get my PBX software to work with that one yet. I will investigate this, to my defence I'll say that I think configuring VoIP servers and getting stuff to interoperate is way more complicated than it should be...

I don't want to use anything like this that is connected with metamask wallet, so temporary sign-up would be just fine.
Maybe you can create something like Chipmixer website is using with their Session Token that is used to restore last session.

Alright! Temporary signup it will be... The session token is also a good idea.

I don't have anything against normal sign-up registration as long as I don't have to use email addresses or real phone numbers.

Hm, but if the signup doesn't use email or phone number, what would you be using? You mean signup with username and password (but no email)?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

1. Pay some bitcoin to an address (or in this day and age, why not lightning network).
2. Cal any international phone number using WebRTC directly from your browser.

This is something absolutely new to me, and I think its a great idea, this is absolutely a unique concept and the fact that the calls are untraceable makes it even more amazing, But then, there has to be way to really verify that the calls are truly untraceable since if anybody is going to be trying this out, that would be one of the major reasons.

This also is my idea on further development of this project.
1. I think its worth giving it a try, it is an idea that i think would go places if its properly developed, you can have it as a side project which you work on on your spare time.
2. You should also have this on your roadmap, to develop the project into a simple mobile and desktop app simply for convenience, not everybody would want to keep visiting the website any time the need for this service arises, so having a mobile and desktop app will really help in encouraging people to use this service.

[JamyBalys]

It's true that global untraceable phone calls are still a concern for many people, and a service that provides this type of functionality could still be in demand. However, it's worth noting that there are now many free calls services available like freetring, which provide similar functionality, so competition in the space may be higher.
It's also worth considering the legal and ethical implications of providing a service that allows for untraceable phone calls.
It ultimately comes down to whether you believe there is still a need for this type of service and if you have the resources and expertise to develop and maintain it.

[Kakmakr]

Well, now that we have determined that the aim of the project are not to make the phone call untraceable... but rather to make the payment for the call untraceable, we need to dive into that. 

You need to educate the users on the correct methods to have pseudo anonymity for their transactions with Bitcoin... or this whole idea will be useless. (People should not re-use Bitcoin addresses or make payments via Exchanges or 3rd party wallets etc... so these things needs to be added as a "How to" guide on your site.)

Good luck with your project... it has some legal advantages.