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June 23, 2020, 03:04:34 PM
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Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors, many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.
Encouragement is the back bone of learner's we need a massive support from the seniors to grow like others. remember that class one is the beginning of education.
Before account of two,one must be counted.
We lost hope to continue this journey because we assuming that our posts are irrelevant no appreciation from Seniors.
I begin to wonder how millions of people in the forum accelerates and obtained a higher rank.
We the newbies needs to be upgraded from this level to another level.
We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.




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June 23, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
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Come on, this is not like a cult or something, there are a lot of members who support the deserving newbies. Growing an account on here was a very easy thing years ago before the Merit system, but now it's much harder to rank up without at least a little bit of effort.

Many posts coming from newbies do not get support because they're posted just to fill up threads without much of a substance if any at all. When a new user comes in and posts something valuable, there are times when they get enough merit to rank up not only once but twice. The thing is, many expect to get merits from writing their own opinions no matter they're right or wrong, relevant or irrelevant to the topic etc.

Take your time, be patient. If one wants to hurry a rankup, the only reason I see they'd do it is if they wanted to desperately join a signature campaign. When the time comes, you will be able to be part of one too if that's what you will, although if you're only here for sig campaigns and bounties then I'm not sure you'll last too long in one. Remember that many of us were like you at one point.
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June 23, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
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Have you joined the forum with a goal to rank up or joined the forum in order to enhance your knowledge on cryptocurrency? If the later one, I see on problem with that, you can ask any question and community will gladly help you. But if the case is the first one, I think you will face huge trouble to rank up.

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June 23, 2020, 03:20:24 PM
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Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors, many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.
Encouragement is the back bone of learner's we need a massive support from the seniors to grow like others. remember that class one is the beginning of education.
Before account of two,one must be counted.
We lost hope to continue this journey because we assuming that our posts are irrelevant no appreciation from Seniors.
I begin to wonder how millions of people in the forum accelerates and obtained a higher rank.
We the newbies needs to be upgraded from this level to another level.
We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.


I guess you are talking about merits here  
There is no universal rule or standard formula how to advance in this forum.
When you register in this forum you are allowed to write posts,  join different discussions, join different paid projects etc.
If you want to advance in the forum it's completly different matter and depends on other members and their opinions about you, your reputation,  quality of your posts etc.
I'm sorry if you feel neglected here or that other members don't appreciate your contribution here but you can't force anybody to give you reward for your posts,  merits if they don't feel you deserve it.
Try your best and it's all you can do it about this matter.
Don't complain because it will not help you much but try to do something what can help community here.
BTW I really know a lot senior members here who really support newbies with merits.

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June 23, 2020, 03:25:47 PM
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You join the forum because you want to be a part of the community imo. If you have no interest in cryptocurrency then you have no interest joining here. What else would you be here for?

How can we support also, information is generally readily provided and to gain notice from other members you have to exert yourself to write something other members are going to recognise you for... The isn't greatly inviting for newbies but this is a large community so what do you expect you have to exert and asert yourself somewhere. Rank is fairly meaningless anyway, this forum could be gone tomorrow only stay here if you're wanting and willing to contribute.

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June 23, 2020, 03:33:48 PM
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For those to whom Rank is of any concern (many I figure), the game board is pretty open, and ranking-up is not that tough, but it does require some effort (and setting some time aside) which many are not prepared to do. Newbie and other lower ranked posts are read, just the same as any other rank’s posts, but content is the driver in general, and the better content will get more attention.

The forum does have 2.805.814 accounts (as of a moment ago), but don’t let that deceive people into thinking that this is an impossible realm, where only the crème de la crème rank-up. The number of accounts that are active is way less, and even smaller is the number of people that post on a regular basis.

You asked for the data: This is the number of people that have ranked-up on this forum, needing Merits to do so. Displayed rank is the current rank:


https://public.tableau.com/views/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/Ranked-up?:language=es&:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link

Looking at the above data, it’s seems that the mid to high ranks suffer a fair share more to rank-up.


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June 23, 2020, 04:25:57 PM
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You asked for the data: This is the number of people that have ranked-up on this forum, needing Merits to do so. Displayed rank is the current rank:


https://public.tableau.com/views/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/Ranked-up?:language=es&:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
This.

This is solid proof that there are tons of newbies rank up and it suffers from members upward because of the merit requirement, but there are some members who have been reached Legendary rank from the new era newbie, which means that they proved that merit system isn't a barrier to rank up and they deserved of what they achieved because of their hard work.

So, now OP.
If you're willing to learn just do it your self and prove that you deserve to rank up. If you're here thinking how to rank up there's nothing happen to you, instead, focus first on learning and educating your self and then contribute to what you've learned. For sure someday, you might be proud of your self of what you achieved. I know you aren't motivated this of what I have said but at least you have an idea.

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June 23, 2020, 05:19:26 PM
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Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors, many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.
Encouragement is the back bone of learner's we need a massive support from the seniors to grow like others. remember that class one is the beginning of education.
Before account of two,one must be counted.
We lost hope to continue this journey because we assuming that our posts are irrelevant no appreciation from Seniors.
I begin to wonder how millions of people in the forum accelerates and obtained a higher rank.
We the newbies needs to be upgraded from this level to another level.
We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.




It seems you are blaming people here for not appreciating your posts, you are are very demanding so many newbies here already ranking because of their contribution, members knows how to appreciate posts, it's just you who is very insecure that you think it's impossible to rank when it's not the case, people here do not have obligation to rank you, you have to worked for it.

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June 23, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
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Firstly i wanna suggest you to keep positive thinking about this forum and its members. For your kind information i want to let you know that most member of this community help each other without expecting benefit. I don't know exactly who told you that forum seniors don't like to inspire newbies and newbies left this place due to lack of encouragement. Its a complete wrong self made thinking from your end and hopefully most people gonna disagree with you. Bitcointalk is the place where people easily get free advice, knowledge and proper guidelines. Some newbies have lack of patience and no interest about earning knowledges. For that reason they usually don't enjoy their journey here and as a result left the forum with bitter experience. If they don't have any thrust for getting knowledge and sharing with others then its pretty much clear that their only intention is to make some easy money.

In a situation like this i don't think including me anyone else will love to help someone who wants to know the way of earning bitcoin from the first day of his forum journey. So if you begin with the Intention of earning from the first day and having no interests of helping others then how can you expect someone will come to give you encouragement.      

Every single high ranked member of this forum started their journey as a newbie and all their current position is the sign of their seniors inspiration and encouragement. You just have to be worthy of having it from community users.  
            


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June 23, 2020, 06:44:19 PM
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We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.
You can use the search engine, It'll help you a lot if you use it everytime you want to know something.
We do either use it all the time.
Look at @DdmrDdmr posted data, make it as motivation.
Just keep learning and make your contribution worthy someday.

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June 23, 2020, 07:15:41 PM
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If you lose hope just because of "lack of encouragement" then I can't imagine how you deal with your real-life concerns.

Come on OP, just go with the flow while learning new things here. No need to rush on your target. Why are you here in the first place?

Think outside a box how can you deal with your concern. Or might better if you will totally removed the box. Step by step soon you will be "there".

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June 23, 2020, 08:26:37 PM
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If you you organise a survey for the so called beginners that needs encouragement, I think their encouragement will be about getting merit. Like common, the seniors too were once a beginner and they made a lot of effort to get there. No one here has a cult or something, there's no rule to who can send or can receive merit here. Here's like a mini world, many here are known to have met each other because IRL because they have maintained a good reputation here. Find a better side thing to do to help forum users too. You can be a spam burster or a scam buster, you can help other newbies on helpful posts.

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June 23, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
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We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.
Are you trying to say the criteria to rank up, buddy?
If you want to know more about the criteria, you just need to visit the meta section and read the pinned threads there.
Here is one of the important threads related to rank, merit, and activity.
- Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit

By the way, I want to remind you that don't blame the seniors for the beginner's failure. The top ranks on this forum have tried much to help the beginners. For example, you can see in this thread: TOP-200 Members who support newbies. It is one of the proofs that the seniors have big encouragement to newbies. So, how can you blame the seniors?  Huh

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Don't tell me that newbies are not supported here, dude.
People (including me) have done merit giveaway threads, one of the most easiest ways we provided to newbies only in order for them to get ahead with a new rank and put much better efforts in order to excel in the subject of BTC and crypto in general.

Sometimes, we also get criticized for doing such giveaways because some newbies are alts of other accounts who have been nuked from the forum.

 I don't think I'd want to argue any more than this on this topic.  Undecided
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Don't tell me that newbies are not supported here, dude.

 I'm not disputing the fact that newbies are not recognized here or their not given much audience to discuss matters in the forum. Noo we are trying the way we can to ensure we make a standard post but we need to  be encouraging by the seniors,
So that newbies will not degrade their selves or posts.

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Last edit: June 23, 2020, 10:01:21 PM by gentlemand
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Nobody needs 'guidance' here. What you need to be to progress is plain to see for everyone - just be a decent user who is interested, interesting and informative. You don't need to be an expert. You don't need to be virtuous. Just don't be yet another google translate zombie who writes nothingness.

It's not very demanding and many senior users have stated their preference to help rank up decent members rather than reward existing senior members. The newcomers don't half make it hard to do so.

Anyway, from my observations here's what people should do -

Be yourself. Don't write what you think others want to read. It'll be totally obvious and will reflect in the emptiness of your posts. If you treat it as some sort of grim task that MUST be accomplished you're not going to come over well.

A good question is just as worthy of attention as a good answer, and vastly more so than a clueless answer. Lots of times a total newcomer's point of view has made me think of things differently.

If you spend your entire life in the alt section the chances of ranking up are very low. Hardly anyone who'll be willing to merit you ever goes there.

If you haven't gotten anywhere in months it's obvious that your current approach isn't working. You can click on the merit scores of everyone. Read the posts that are merited and consider what's different about them compared to yours.

Making most excellent profitings is not a god given right here, but good on you if you can manage it as a total noob. Most of the time it's a privilege that's earned by being a worthwhile member. Becoming worthwhile is what comes first.

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The encouragement you mean, is it any post that newbies make deserve a merit whether shitting or not for them to be able to know that senior members are in support of them all (lols).

Sorry to burst your bubble, the forum doesn't operate in such manner. Every good post will be merited whether it's from newbie or not. The merit system works for everyone that deserve it not minding the ranks.

Fall in love with the forum by posting good post and try hard to build yourself intellectually about crypto, you will find yourself getting merits easily without much complaints   

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With 'encouragement' you mean to say that senior members would shower them with many merits for every post?   Roll Eyes
Not going to happen like that.
Many people rank up very fast with good posts, and you can read their stories and how they did it.

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Encouragement is the backbone of learner's we need massive support from the seniors to grow like others. remember that class one is the beginning of education.
Before account of two, one must be counted.

I agree that Newbies should be encouraged but what do you mean by massive support from the seniors? How can the seniors support the Newbies in posting or in educating them? It is the responsibility of the newbies to learn by themself. Even Seniors were once upon a time a Newbies. They have learned by themself, they have struggled to come to this level.

Good posts are anyways encouraged by the forum members by giving them merits even if it is posted by a Newbie or a Senior member. Merits are not given based on the rank he is holding, we give merits by looking at their posts or threads created.

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June 24, 2020, 10:54:56 AM
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I agree that Newbies should be encouraged but what do you mean by massive support from the seniors? How can the seniors support the Newbies in posting or in educating them? It is the responsibility of the newbies to learn by themself. Even Seniors were once upon a time a Newbies. They have learned by themself, they have struggled to come to this level.

Maybe some sort of yearly residential gathering? Lots of star jumps, branded T shirts, shouting and whipped buttocks.

I feel no sense of grandfatherly duty to less awe inspiring members. I did not look to be breast fed by anyone on arrival here and the idea of searching for a nipple to latch on to did not occur to me.
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