Football in China - The Chinese Super League

[Cacingkemi]

Many people do not see this competition as very strong. Still, there are still some strong players around.
I am always confused if those ex world players like Iniesta are going to Japan to improve financially or was that now China?

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[tyKiwanuka]

Jiangsu - Tianjin Teda -> Tianjin +0.25 @1.90

1-1 FT, half won, better than half half lost A bit annoying, since the equalizer from Jiangsu was an own goal, but well. To my surprise there is actually a second leg for this one, so I had some wrong information here; chinese sports never fails to surprise.

I am always confused if those ex world players like Iniesta are going to Japan to improve financially or was that now China?

Iniesta plays in Kobe/Japan.

99% of players go there to have a last big contract and this is often the biggest contract they ever got in their whole career Money is no problem in China - and as it seems in Japan not as well, since Iniesta is said to earn 30mln p.a. there - and thus even average players for european standards can earn tons of money there. I remember when Sandro Wagner (no top player by no means) went to Tianjin from Bayern Munich and basically tripling or even quadrupling his salary. And he was very honest with it and said it was a financially driven decision.

I guess no player goes there for the challenge, at least not for the football-ish one. But there are maybe some who like the challenge of living in a very different country, getting to know another culture, other people and a completely new lifestyle. And they are getting well paid for this adventure

Here is a little article and overview about what the very top players earn in China. Please notice that this is weekly salary


Source: https://financefootball.com/2020/05/03/top-highest-paid-football-players-in-china-2020/

And on top of that they get VIP treatment as well. Like cars, houses/flats.....

[iTradeChips]

I checked on that yesterday and saw that there are actually many foreigners already that participated in the Super League. I just wonder what their careers were before going it big time in China. Did some of them actually played in the European leagues? If so, would their experiences in Europe have made their decision to join China. Or is it the other way around, Europe doesn't have the place for them so they went to China and played there? It is no secret that China wants to win the World Cup so the foreigners are there for a reason, and that is to inspire millions to play football and eventually 100,000 of them will be pros in 10 years.

[tyKiwanuka]

95% of the players earning their money in SuperLeague now had some kind of a career at a bigger european club. Once you are done in Europe and have a good name, you will get an offer from a chinese club and play there as some kind of an advertisement for this league and to raise domestic interest in it. 

The chinese national team is still poor, they even often struggle against smaller asian countries (not talking about Japan or South Korea). Football just has no roots there, so you have to push it artificially, which only works to a certain extent (see USA as well). The foreign players are good and bad for the chinese players. They do learn from them, but they also often rely on them to do the work, so it's hard for them to develop properly. And in the end the CSL is still too weak to produce good chinese players, who can make international noise and then also help their national team.
Do you know any chinese player in Europe who is successful there ? I only know Wu Lei who plays for Espanyol in LaLiga2 and LaLiga before. He is doing ok there, but nothing more.

The chinese Football Association is trying a lot to form younger players, like teams having to use a fixed number of U23 players, but it's just not working. I think these players need to go to lower leagues in Europe and get developed there. The problem is, that this is a huge step for a young athlete with no guarantee of success. And you don't earn as much money there as in China.....

Big problem in China is, that everything is only measured in success/numbers. And this success has to come as fast as possible, thus giving it no time to grow organically. They just try to grow by injecting loads of money into the system without a real plan to build a strong foundation - this is fortunately not working (yet).

[lxiaoh]

In retrospect, it's been a few years since I was crazy about watched  the Chinese Super League，remembering the most fantastic was Evergrande in 2013，that year Evergrande was virtually invincible in Asia，and the Champions of the Chinese Super League was as easy as winking.

[iTradeChips]

95% of the players earning their money in SuperLeague now had some kind of a career at a bigger european club. Once you are done in Europe and have a good name, you will get an offer from a chinese club and play there as some kind of an advertisement for this league and to raise domestic interest in it. 

The chinese national team is still poor, they even often struggle against smaller asian countries (not talking about Japan or South Korea). Football just has no roots there, so you have to push it artificially, which only works to a certain extent (see USA as well). The foreign players are good and bad for the chinese players. They do learn from them, but they also often rely on them to do the work, so it's hard for them to develop properly. And in the end the CSL is still too weak to produce good chinese players, who can make international noise and then also help their national team.
Do you know any chinese player in Europe who is successful there ? I only know Wu Lei who plays for Espanyol in LaLiga2 and LaLiga before. He is doing ok there, but nothing more.

The chinese Football Association is trying a lot to form younger players, like teams having to use a fixed number of U23 players, but it's just not working. I think these players need to go to lower leagues in Europe and get developed there. The problem is, that this is a huge step for a young athlete with no guarantee of success. And you don't earn as much money there as in China.....

Big problem in China is, that everything is only measured in success/numbers. And this success has to come as fast as possible, thus giving it no time to grow organically. They just try to grow by injecting loads of money into the system without a real plan to build a strong foundation - this is fortunately not working (yet).

That is right that China has been trying hard to artificially insert football at the heart of Chinese sports. They have been trying to start interest in football to many young people and so far there has not been any good result. The part of their plan is to create 100,000 football professionals that can play the big leagues and eventually be able to give China it's first World cup win. China as far as I am concerned, seems to want to dominate on all sports.

[tyKiwanuka]

They are less interested in physical sports such as football, cricket, or basketball.

Hehe, no, they are as much interested in physical sports like any other country. It's just that they are mainly interested in other sports, which do not get that recognition in the western world, like for example Table Tennis and Badminton - these sports are huge there. And these worldwide big sports like Football and Basketball gather more interest, due to the CCP putting more emphasis on making these sports big in China via their domestic leagues. With a population of ~1.4 billion you probably have more Football and Basketball fans there than in a lot of other countries just by the absolute numbers. This is a big country, with lots of money floating around and to be made, but it takes time. Time the CCP normally doesn't have or doesn't take


And please guys don't do a full quote unless it's absolutely necessary, thanks

[tyKiwanuka]

New season has started, so some good odds to be found again (hopefully ).

Tianjin - Shanghai SIPG -> SIPG -2.25 @1.8x 8/10

Tianjin basically lost all their all players, they have always been in financial trouble and the global crisis didn't help with that matter. They have a super weak squad, only two very mediocre import players and are more or less a lock to relegate this season. SIPG as usual has a strong squad with those very good import players for Super League standards (Oscar, Arnautovic etc.). This should be an easy win for SIPG and -2.25 looks easily beatable. H2H from the last matches also looks good:


Source: https://www.flashscore.com/match/dYbZ6Vus/#h2h/overall

[Trofo]

Tianjin - Shanghai SIPG -> SIPG -2.25 @1.8x 8/10

Sounds like value for me, great to have you back for this season as well. I will not be watching Chinese league nowhere near as last season but I will gladly take a value tip here and there. Last season was great to fill my time in the morning while I was working from home but now I am back to working from workplace so no time for exotic leagues. I think I watched more than half of all games from China and Australia during that time. Never thought I will know that much about their football.

[Joca97]

This league is the best for betting on.If i earned big it is on this league

So easy to predict goals.I think all games in this round were over 1.5 goals and only 3 matches were just 2 goals
all other games were over 2.5 goals
and the avg odd for over 2.5 goals is 1.75 so this is an amazing odd .Most people dont bet on this over 2.5 goals but this league is perfect for this and to make quick money