[SCAM] bitcoinmixer.org is a SCAM

[TookDk]

We have another mixer scam to the list:
 
bitcoinmixer.org is a SCAM

Reference Link:   bitcoinmixer.org

Amount Scammed:  2.6 BTC

Payment Method: Bitcoin

What happened:
I have been in bitcoin since 2012, I have gone through the first 8 years without getting scammed. Last week did my luck ran out.
bitcoinmixer.org was running a campaign last year on bitcointalk, since then have I used the service for small amounts.
I have always supported new bitcoin startups, bitcoinmixer.org seams like nice project since i believe mixers is much needed in the future due to nature of the bitcoin design.

Unfortunately is bitcoinmixer.org a long haul scam, he has used 6-7 month to build up reputation, through online articles and campaigns.
All made to catch a user that one day will send a large amount of BTC through their mixer.
They certainly build up my trust, since they have been reliable for last 7 month for me.

This is how they scam:
If you send smaller amounts through the mixer, then everything works normally, the coins are mixed without problem.
I have e.e mixed up to 0.5 BTC without any problems.

HOWEVER, if you send larger amounts, then is the money stolen from you.
Its simply build into the algorithm to steal deposit over a certain amount, I don't know exactly the limit, but its between 0.5 and 2.6 BTC.
 
It is difficult to legally prove that they stole the bitcoins unless you can have access to their server source code.
They use a clever trick where they alter the mix information AFTER the deposit is confirmed.
When you look up the deposit address using the mix id, then is the deposit address correctly shown.
However as soon as your deposit is confirmed, then is the deposit address changed, so it looks like you never deposited any funds.
The money you deposited is then later moved to another address, and you will never see them again.

The "support team" is close to impossible to get in touch with and if you do get them, you will get a standard reply:


Dear customer,
we took a look at the mix. Currently there is no deposit yet. From what you describe you might have visited a site that poses as our service. Please make sure that you always visit the correct site at
btcmixnqyq7kljrr.onion or bitcoinmixer.org
You might also want to check if your system has been compromised.
Best regards, Bitcoinmixer


This is not a man-in-the-middle attack, since a hacker would never be able to know what mix that will have large amounts, since the deposit information based on the mix id is changed at large deposits AFTER they are confirmed.
In my case did I of cause check the SSL connection, and I did a "small" transfer just before (0.5 BTC), to make sure I was not being fished. I must admit, I did expect this algorithm, it pretty clever,
the behavior of mixer depend on the deposit size. Its clever since there is not much sense in stealing the small amounts.  

Nevertheless, I have accepted this loss, life goes on.
I just sincerely hope that no one else will get scammed

The only thing I really regret is that bitcoin is still wild-wild-west, like we haven't evolved much since 2012, that is sad...

I have decided not to post the evidence, since bitcoinmixer.org is fully ninja anyway, there is zero percent chance of catching him.
Obviously I have all the evidence saved; address, screenshots etc.  
But I see no reason to have my sensitive bitcoin addresses to be public for nothing.

So you just have to trust me on this one, I have no reason to lie or spread false accusations, I am 100% sure this is a scam.

Please spread the word when you have a chance that bitcoinmixer.org is a scam.

Thank you.

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[Murat]

Sorry to hear about your loss!

You may tag & create a flag against them - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2723736

I got scammed over $20k last year, I feel your pain. What i learned is we need to be very very careful while dealing with Bitcoin/Crypto. In your case that was quite unfortunate as those scammers were very naive. They earn your trust first then scam you for big amount. this type of scammers are very dangerous. I hope they burn in hell.

[TalkStar]

This is how they scam:
If you send smaller amounts through the mixer, then everything works normally, the coins are mixed without problem.
I have e.e mixed up to 0.5 BTC without any problems.

HOWEVER, if you send larger amounts, then is the money stolen from you.
Its simply build into the algorithm to steal deposit over a certain amount, I don't know exactly the limit, but its between 0.5 and 2.6 BTC.

Most probably its their own algorithm setup by which they detect all large amount and it works when the deposited fund hit uper than a specific amount. It seems to me that their actual plan was to create reputation by giving hastle free service for small amounts which will create trust among users but finally they start hunting after getting  large amount.

The "support team" is close to impossible to get in touch with and if you do get them, you will get a standard reply:


Dear customer,
we took a look at the mix. Currently there is no deposit yet. From what you describe you might have visited a site that poses as our service. Please make sure that you always visit the correct site at
btcmixnqyq7kljrr.onion or bitcoinmixer.org
You might also want to check if your system has been compromised.
Best regards, Bitcoinmixer

Its nothing but a careless reply from their end. As you have mentioned that they smartly change the deposit address after the confirmation because due to this reason victims will.not be able to take stand against them with strong evidences. Although i am not seeing any problem to share related evidences here but choice is yours.    

[Asuspawer09]

I tried using this website for small amount of transactions and I didn't encounter issues or any problem.

But I guess when it comes to big transactions like this there are so many problems that you encounter, Maybe because of its a good opportunity to scam since its a big amount. I'm not going to use this mixer again.

[TookDk]

I tried using this website for small amount of transactions and I didn't encounter issues or any problem.

But I guess when it comes to big transactions like this there are so many problems that you encounter, Maybe because of its a good opportunity to scam since its a big amount. I'm not going to use this mixer again.

Yep, I did maybe 40-50 small transaction this year on the scam page bitcoinmixer.org - with no problems! I even mixed 0.5 BTC without any problem.
After I mixed 0.5 I really started to trust them - its a clever scam.  

Money is lost - but if I can save others from loosing money to them, then will I be happy, so happy to hear you will not use them again  

Yes looking back it was stupid to mix 2.6 in one go - I was actually about to mix a larger amount, but then I decided to divide it up - at least I was happy about that decision  

Also:

Shoutout to TheCoinrise.com

They had an article about bitcoin mixers where the scam page bitcoinmixer.org was mentioned, they removed them from the article after I made them aware they are scammers, good to see some responsibility.

[andrei8787]

Reported to CryptoScamAlert
https://cryptoscamalert.com/crypto_scam_report/486

[TookDk]

Reported to CryptoScamAlert
https://cryptoscamalert.com/crypto_scam_report/486

Great job! Thanks for the support.

[logfiles]

One of the best things we can do around here is to try and report the domain to the registrar so that the website get taken down once and for all.

Code:

Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@namecheap.com

Have you tried to report domain abuse or fraud to namecheap.com yet?

[XmasJohn08]

Reported to CryptoScamAlert
https://cryptoscamalert.com/crypto_scam_report/486

Great job! Thanks for the support.

Why did you jump with that amount?   

[Assface16678]

I'm using the bitcoinmixer.org for a long time because they have the lowest minimum transaction to be mix and right now I'm getting shocked because the minimum deposit must be

0.0044 BTC and the funds I already sent are 0.001864 only and now I experience this.



At the start, I think it looks like a scam now because I don't have enough funds to make an additional deposit but BTC is BTC so I borrow some money just to complete this transaction. I'm glad I got my BTC.

[XmasJohn08]

I'm using the bitcoinmixer.org for a long time because they have the lowest minimum transaction to be mix and right now I'm getting shocked because the minimum deposit must be

0.0044 BTC and the funds I already sent are 0.001864 only and now I experience this.



At the start, I think it looks like a scam now because I don't have enough funds to make an additional deposit but BTC is BTC so I borrow some money just to complete this transaction. I'm glad I got my BTC.

You are supporting a scam.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Sad to see this OP, I hope the 2.6BTC wasn’t a lot of your stash. There's nothing you can do except help to try & ruin their reputation so they can’t keep doing it to other people.

Can you start a flag against them?

Go to their profile, click trust, click add flag, then follow the steps for a type 3 flag ——>



Make sure you provide the link to this thread as evidence. Let us know when you’ve done it so we can support tye flag.


 

[TookDk]

Reported to CryptoScamAlert
https://cryptoscamalert.com/crypto_scam_report/486

Great job! Thanks for the support.

Why did you jump with that amount?   

As I also wrote, I did 0.5's with no issues so I did not expect to get scammed, I had a larger amount to mix so it would go too slow with very small batches.
Looking back I am just happy I did not loose more.

What can I say, we all make mistakes - its how we learn from them and how we move on in life that counts.
I have accepted my loss

However this thread will be kept alive as long as scam site bitcoinmixer.org is operating.

[TookDk]

Sad to see this OP, I hope the 2.6BTC wasn’t a lot of your stash. There's nothing you can do except help to try & ruin their reputation so they can’t keep doing it to other people.

I will be OK, thank you however I would rather have donated this money to charity than to some scammer.

Can you start a flag against them?

Go to their profile, click trust, click add flag, then follow the steps for a type 3 flag ——>

Make sure you provide the link to this thread as evidence. Let us know when you’ve done it so we can support tye flag.
 

I have supported your flag - thanks!

However, it looks like they have abandoned their account in May 2020, so it will probably make little difference.


Thanks to TheCoinrise.com, for removing another article that promoted the scam site bitcoinmixer.org

[LoyceV]

The "support team" is close to impossible to get in touch with and if you do get them, you will get a standard reply:

I checked the site, and it doesn't offer a Letter of Guarantee. That should be reason enough not to use them. I know only one mixer that has a good reason not to give a LoG (because they give you private keys), any other mixer should provide one.
Unlike a signed message, screenshots can never be conclusive evidence.

I've seen this scam before, and because of the lack of LoG, they can create a smoke screen about phishing. If they'd be honest, they could have prevented any fake scam accusations by providing for a LoG. But they didn't.

They copied the 4 step design from ChipMixer.

Quoting myself:

Others have mentioned it already, but you really need a Letter of Guarantee signed from a Bitcoin address mentioned on your site and archived here on Bitcointalk. That's the only thing someone could use to prove foul play without any doubt.

I'm pretty sure selective scamming was the plan from the start. I'm considering a neutral warning on any new mixer without LoG from now on.

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I'm using the bitcoinmixer.org for a long time because they have the lowest minimum transaction to be mix and right now I'm getting shocked because the minimum deposit must be

0.0044 BTC and the funds I already sent are 0.001864 only and now I experience this.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/Zx3mH.jpeg

At the start, I think it looks like a scam now because I don't have enough funds to make an additional deposit but BTC is BTC so I borrow some money just to complete this transaction. I'm glad I got my BTC.

It should probably be the last time you use them or else you will be the next victim. You were lucky because you mixed small amounts of BTC.

OP I insist you report the domain for fraud giving details of how you were scammed. Smartmixer.io pulled off the same scam tactic, the domain was reported and it was taken down

[TookDk]

I'm using the bitcoinmixer.org for a long time because they have the lowest minimum transaction to be mix and right now I'm getting shocked because the minimum deposit must be

0.0044 BTC and the funds I already sent are 0.001864 only and now I experience this.

https://i.imgur.com/L6Jc0R4.jpg

At the start, I think it looks like a scam now because I don't have enough funds to make an additional deposit but BTC is BTC so I borrow some money just to complete this transaction. I'm glad I got my BTC.

It should probably be the last time you use them or else you will be the next victim. You were lucky because you mixed small amounts of BTC.

OP I insist you report the domain for fraud giving details of how you were scammed. Smartmixer.io pulled off the same scam tactic, the domain was reported and it was taken down

Well if you insist... 
PM send.

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PM send.

Hey bud, I have seen it. I will also try to create one possibly by Sunday so that namecheap can have action to take it down after reviewing the evidence because so long as it remains only. Some won't even bother searching for scam accusations like the one you made until they get scammed.

[r34tr783tr78]

No one likes to publicly admit he was scammed so thanks for the warning. You could post a scan with your wallet number erased. The date and amount would confirm your story even if your reputation makes a good job. It would also be important evidence that the receiver address is theirs.
They look like a small mixer so probably they rather go down and open another mixer with the same software than return the money. But you can try to toast them for real over the net. Maybe they will return the money.

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But you can try to toast them for real over the net. Maybe they will return the money.

Not a chance. If they were a genuine bitcoin mixer. Maybe they would return the Bitcoins for fear of losing their reputation but when it comes to a mixer set to up simple scam large amounts of BTC, they don't care about reputation.