It's F'n happening ----- Polk VS. Negreanu HUNL Grudge Match

[Steamtyme]

I can't say I've ever really been to invested in "Celebrity Personalities" Sports/Entertainment.. never really cared. This though I have to admit has peaked my interest huge.

So 2 all-time greats are going to throw down out of, I guess what you can call Hate and Spite... I'm pretty sure that covers all feelings they have for each other... maybe disdain. If you need background on them just punch their names into google and there is 4 years of back and forth jabs. Some are hilarious.

What really kicked this off was Doug Polk putting out a solid and eviscerating dis-edit video on Youtube - It's now taken down no surprise. In  response to a minor petty shot Daniel Negreanu took at him on twitter. So much of this over the years truly. Then Joe Ingram got into it on his podcast a bit and decided to prod a bit and try and get these two to settle it finally - He's getting tired of covering them lol through Twitter.

Then you have it today. A bunch of back and forth and what looks to be some terms firming up nicely. In Polks favor I might add

200$/400$ Heads up No limit Hold'em

2 Tables online

Side bet of 100K-300K

These terms are just what I grabbed from their twitter a bit to get the scope of the back and forth. It could change.

I do think Polk antagonized Daniel to playing HUNL, as that is what Polk is known for. If I'm not mistaken he's considered the GOAT of that format. Turning a comment Daniel made about being the MJ of poker into a jab about him not being willing to play HUNL.
HUNL - Heads Up No-Limit

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[figmentofmyass]

daniel should have taken him up on his offer to play half NLHE and half a game of his choice. all online, all high stakes NLHE? my money is on polk.

when is this happening? i can barely follow all the back and forth on twitter.

[Steamtyme]

From what I could tell it sounds like mid September to early August. It was a hard follow but I imagine they will firm it up in the next week.

daniel should have taken him up on his offer to play half NLHE and half a game of his choice. all online, all high stakes NLHE? my money is on polk.

Couldn't agree more. Although I'm not sure what other game Daniel could pick to give himself an edge, maybe something to level it a bit more. Maybe PLO or short deck holdem.
I don't recall him ever playing much PLO but I remember a video where Doug discussed wanting to learn it more, but eventually gave it up. Short deck is fairly new in popularity so I don't imagine Doug played to much if any.

[tokeweed]

Lol.  Yup finally..  these two battling it out after 4 years of going back and forth at each other.

And I doubt Dnegs has an edge at short deck.  Doug prolly could adjust better than Dnegs can.  PLO maybe...  I think Stud or Triple Draw is where he has a huge edge.

Edit:  Pokershares should lay action imo.  Drop a line in their thread.  

And I got Doug too.  And it's hilarious how Joe Ingram is even trying to make it look like it's an even match on the Twitterz. 

[Steamtyme]

And I doubt Dnegs has an edge at short deck.  Doug prolly could adjust better than Dnegs can.  PLO maybe...  I think Stud or Triple Draw is where he has a huge edge.
Edit:  Pokershares should lay action imo.  Drop a line in their thread.  
And I got Doug too.  And it's hilarious how Joe Ingram is even trying to make it look like it's an even match on the Twitterz. 

Yeah not sure the strategy here in just going straight HUNL. At first I assumed he just let his anger get the better of him, much like his twitch rant that got him banned. Then there was the thought - He can always say "Of course I lost it's his specialty". He's already tossing out the I'm giving the fans what they want.

Hard to say what the logic was.

Pokershares didn't miss a beat... I did though. I caught a blog post here. That site also grabbed most of the relevant twitter posts.

Betting site PokerShares installed both players as close to even money in a prospective match, but the betting public has come in on Polk so far, moving the line to -119, about a 54% implied probability of winning.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/07/the-muck-daniel-negreanu-doug-polk-grudge-match-37703.htm

Side note found out Doug bought his BTC in 2013... not to shabby. I thought it was closer to 2015/16 based on a post from his supposed account on forum. Not very active.

[figmentofmyass]

Pokershares didn't miss a beat... I did though. I caught a blog post here. That site also grabbed most of the relevant twitter posts.

Betting site PokerShares installed both players as close to even money in a prospective match, but the betting public has come in on Polk so far, moving the line to -119, about a 54% implied probability of winning.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/07/the-muck-daniel-negreanu-doug-polk-grudge-match-37703.htm

dang, missed our shot at even odds. i had no idea where to look for action on this. the odds on polk are up to 1.42. https://www.pokershares.com/market/poker/6ee2a4d8-df3a-4c0b-bee2-1b14b727751f

have you guys used pokershares before? trustworthy?

[tokeweed]

^  Nope...  I think it looks legit tho.  And a cool concept.  But read their ToS on withdrawals and rollovers. It should have a 1x rollover as it is mostly standard for most books.  Not a lot of people in these parts get that.

[DarkDays]

FYI the thread isn't self moderated.

Definitely looking forward to see if Polk can back up all of his talk against the likes of the beast that is Negreanu.

I'd be more interested in seeing him up against Phil Ivey though, or even Tom Dwan. I have a feeling Polk would get trounced by all three heads up.

Doesn't look like the event is set in stone yet, there's still some back and forth between the two on Twitter:

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/25183-retired-poker-pro-doug-polk-challenges-daniel-negreanu-to-heads-up-grudge-match

[Steamtyme]

dang, missed our shot at even odds. i had no idea where to look for action on this. the odds on polk are up to 1.42. https://www.pokershares.com/market/poker/6ee2a4d8-df3a-4c0b-bee2-1b14b727751f
have you guys used pokershares before? trustworthy?

I hadn't heard of them until I saw their Sig campaign actually.

FYI the thread isn't self moderated.
Definitely looking forward to see if Polk can back up all of his talk against the likes of the beast that is Negreanu.
I'd be more interested in seeing him up against Phil Ivey though, or even Tom Dwan. I have a feeling Polk would get trounced by all three heads up.

Yeah I noticed afterwards, not sure what happened. Left it in, seems to be working lol.

I think it would be cool if a lot of these big names just threw down in some heads up matches.Maybe make it a series event or something.

[Steamtyme]

So the event has firmed up some what.

Start date of Nov, 1
25,000 hands         Option to quit after 12,500   -  Option to raise stakes after 12,500 if both players agree
200/400     -    100BB stacks with an automatic top-up

No firm info on sidebet, or the site they will be playing on as of yet. Stream commentary will be done by Kane Kalas. The schedule should be interesting, minimum 2 hour session - with Polk looking for 4-5 hours a day, and Daniel saying something like playing 4-5 days a week until done.

Understandable but a little disappointing from a viewer/fan perspective was that Daniel said he won't be showing hold cards on delay. I completely understand that he doesn't want to get looked up and researched throughout the duration of the challenge. Funnily enough Polk has no trust in Daniel, and has an inspection request clause to ensure no RTA is being used.


Should be a good one, I watched what little Polk put out in August as he had open challenges out to get some practice in. Nothing spectacular and you could tell he knew he had to put some work in. Which I think he's happy with his progress the last month and a half, as he started pushing for a start date again.

[figmentofmyass]

Should be a good one, I watched what little Polk put out in August as he had open challenges out to get some practice in. Nothing spectacular and you could tell he knew he had to put some work in. Which I think he's happy with his progress the last month and a half, as he started pushing for a start date again.

i saw him getting crushed at the low stakes tables a few weeks ago. i wasn't sure if it was mainly cuz he's out of practice or because nobody respects raises at 1/2 or whatever stakes they were.

is there gonna be any live streaming of DN and polk, or is it just gonna be Kane Kalas providing commentary watching online tables? i'd love to see them talking shit in real time.

Funnily enough Polk has no trust in Daniel, and has an inspection request clause to ensure no RTA is being used.

lol.

[arallmuus]

200/400     -    100BB stacks with an automatic top-up

Is this $200/$400 or 200/400 chips?

Understandable but a little disappointing from a viewer/fan perspective was that Daniel said he won't be showing hold cards on delay. I completely understand that he doesn't want to get looked up and researched throughout the duration of the challenge.

We tend to repeat the same pattern with the same hand so its understandable if they will play 25,000 hands

Funnily enough Polk has no trust in Daniel, and has an inspection request clause to ensure no RTA is being used.

I had to google the keyword of " RTA in poker" for this lol. I totally have no idea what it means until I saw from youtube. Seems like a great tool, you know where I could get one for our game this weekend?  ( Ignore my silly jokes lol)

Daniel wouldnt put his whole reputation just to use RTA for this game

Should be a good one, I watched what little Polk put out in August as he had open challenges out to get some practice in. Nothing spectacular and you could tell he knew he had to put some work in.

I have no clue about this guy but I would love to watch anything with Daniel on it. I learnt alot from him

[Steamtyme]

i saw him getting crushed at the low stakes tables a few weeks ago. i wasn't sure if it was mainly cuz he's out of practice or because nobody respects raises at 1/2 or whatever stakes they were.
is there gonna be any live streaming of DN and polk, or is it just gonna be Kane Kalas providing commentary watching online tables? i'd love to see them talking shit in real time.

From the few articles I've checked, it sounds like Webcam on delay with the commentary coming through on twitch. So I'm guessing table footage, with Doug and Daniel able to talk in real-time. Hoping so anyway. Typing this I realized that either or could also fire up their streams if they decide they don't want to talk realtime.

One article that wasn't essentially a clone, did point out they are playing on WSOP.com

Yeah his first few matches were pretty rough. I didn't watch many of them but I did wonder how many of them made plays for the sake of making a play on Doug. Not long after I updated this thread I found a story in my "news" feed, Polk and Phil Naggy had a 1.5 hour session. 10/20 and Polk came out ahead 7K. Phil made it sound like Doug is back in fighting form.

Polk controlled the tempo of the game, making pots happen as he wanted, when he wanted.

Is this $200/$400 or 200/400 chips?

$ - It's a straight up cash game

We tend to repeat the same pattern with the same hand so its understandable if they will play 25,000 hands

For sure, and at this level picking up on tendencies and making adjustments is an essential part of the game. I'm ho9ping when it's all said and done that there will be a release with all hole cards shown.

I had to google the keyword of " RTA in poker" for this lol. I totally have no idea what it means until I saw from youtube. Seems like a great tool, you know where I could get one for our game this weekend?  ( Ignore my silly jokes lol)
Daniel wouldnt put his whole reputation just to use RTA for this game

Agreed. I almost think it was more of a jab, maybe an attempt to antagonize Daniel again.
The way I've been playing I might be the one who needs the assistance. 

I have no clue about this guy but I would love to watch anything with Daniel on it. I learnt alot from him

Yeah Polk made his name playing this format. He has a ton of youtube content teaching and analyzing poker strategy. He is definitely one of the reasons I took an interest in improving my game.

[tokeweed]

I fear for Doug.  I don't think Dnegs is gonna be easy pickin's for him.  Dnegs is prolly doing some practice of his own...  Pokershares has the match at 1.14 for Doug and 6.15 for Dnegs tho.

Anybody wanna bet against me for fun?  I'll take Dnegs at a discounted 5.  Just 10 bucks for your 50.  Open to anybody trusted or with a decent sig campaign.

I really wanted to make a bet at Pokershares but I have to go thru KYC no matter what..  Not willing to go thru all the hassle just for a 10 USD bet.  Lol.

[Steamtyme]

I'll take Dnegs at a discounted 5.  Just 10 bucks for your 50.  Open to anybody trusted or with a decent sig campaign.

I'll bite. Just to keep it fair I also promise not to give Doug any coaching. I also don't think it's going to be a walk in the park, but I still think Doug will pull it off in the end.

On a side note I've been trying to dig a bit and see what I can find on either of their training/practice schedules and I'm there isn't much.

I think Daniel is actually trying to goad Polk into a twitter spat or something. Could be some mental gameplay but he's tweeting

I am open to either allowing or disallowing the use of any RTA including charts during play.

A little concerning but more likely a red herring. He's only now looking to set up some 2$/4$ HU tables for practice. My only guess is that it would make sense if he's been doing more theoretical/coaching behind the scenes and now wants to put it to practice.

I didn't even really think about it but there is also no HUDS, during the match.

Edit: Bet wise I am confirming USD, and BTC as the payment method for squaring up. Do we do BTC value as of today or the day the match winner is determined?

[figmentofmyass]

I'll take Dnegs at a discounted 5.  Just 10 bucks for your 50.  Open to anybody trusted or with a decent sig campaign.

I'll bite. Just to keep it fair I also promise not to give Doug any coaching. I also don't think it's going to be a walk in the park, but I still think Doug will pull it off in the end.

i think doug will win too.... but at those odds? i'm taking negreanu all day. lemme know if you feel like taking another little bet.

I think Daniel is actually trying to goad Polk into a twitter spat or something. Could be some mental gameplay but he's tweeting

I am open to either allowing or disallowing the use of any RTA including charts during play.

he's 100% fucking with doug's head IMO.

[tokeweed]

I'll take Dnegs at a discounted 5.  Just 10 bucks for your 50.  Open to anybody trusted or with a decent sig campaign.

I'll bite. Just to keep it fair I also promise not to give Doug any coaching. I also don't think it's going to be a walk in the park, but I still think Doug will pull it off in the end.

On a side note I've been trying to dig a bit and see what I can find on either of their training/practice schedules and I'm there isn't much.

I think Daniel is actually trying to goad Polk into a twitter spat or something. Could be some mental gameplay but he's tweeting

I am open to either allowing or disallowing the use of any RTA including charts during play.

A little concerning but more likely a red herring. He's only now looking to set up some 2$/4$ HU tables for practice. My only guess is that it would make sense if he's been doing more theoretical/coaching behind the scenes and now wants to put it to practice.

I didn't even really think about it but there is also no HUDS, during the match.

Edit: Bet wise I am confirming USD, and BTC as the payment method for squaring up. Do we do BTC value as of today or the day the match winner is determined?

Cool!  Lezz go! 

We just do USD value in BTC of whatever the price of BTC is at.  So if BTC is at 12k or so we just do amount of bet/BTC price. 

I think the most fair way of going about the match is just make it as close to a live HU match as possible.  No HUD, RTA, spreadsheets and charts.  Just the players and their wits.

[Steamtyme]

i think doug will win too.... but at those odds? i'm taking negreanu all day. lemme know if you feel like taking another little bet.

I'll consider it a victory when compared against all my other marginal gambles. This way
I've time travelled to mid-September for better odds. Really just what I get for being lazy and not jumping on a bet early on.
Sorry this was pretty much my cap for this bet; I might look around and drop a small bet on Daniel now though.

he's 100% fucking with doug's head IMO.

Weird enough Doug's response somewhere in there stated he's like to use Preflop charts, but nothing postflop. Not going to lie found it surprising, but what do I know.

Cool!  Lezz go! 
We just do USD value in BTC of whatever the price of BTC is at.  So if BTC is at 12k or so we just do amount of bet/BTC price. 
I think the most fair way of going about the match is just make it as close to a live HU match as possible.  No HUD, RTA, spreadsheets and charts.  Just the players and their wits.

Sounds good. Yeah the ideal would be the 2 of them separated by Plexiglass across the table from each other. I'll take what I can get but I found this exchange to be weird and unexpected. I did notice Max Silver offering them 100BB Shove charts lol.

Bahaha, so I was reviewing their twitter feeds as it's now my morning laugh, and thought I'd be showing something new here and I stumble upon your tweet back to Doug lol. BEat me to it. I don't know what happened and how Daniel went from I'm okay with charts to calling them out as RTA, and saying they ruin the game.

Just seems funny to me that preflop charts are now such a big discussion. I know when I play I tend to have some open on the laptop, because I like to look back after I make my decision to see if I'm making the "right" plays.

[tokeweed]

^  Lol.  I mean yeah...  It's just better that way imho.  They're both elite pros and not a couple of microstakes noobs who need a cheat sheet.

I'm actually surprised why Doug just wouldn't let it go since he has a huge edge over Dnegs.

Edit:  And like Dnegs said..  'your best game, your format, your approved platform.'.  And Doug can't agree not to use his pf chart?

And I'm pretty sure it's not just a chart, it's a spreadsheet that auto computes ranges vs opponents' range and raise sizes.

[Mauser]

^  Lol.  I mean yeah...  It's just better that way imho.  They're both elite pros and not a couple of microstakes noobs who need a cheat sheet.

I'm actually surprised why Doug just wouldn't let it go since he has a huge edge over Dnegs.

Edit:  And like Dnegs said..  'your best game, your format, your approved platform.'.  And Doug can't agree not to use his pf chart?

And I'm pretty sure it's not just a chart, it's a spreadsheet that auto computes ranges vs opponents' range and raise sizes.

Yeah Doug has a completely different way of analysing the game than Dnegs. Apparently he has been grinding lower stakes tables for month now is sharpening his game. But he will not be on the top I think as a few years ago. Poker is evolving so fast these days and more and more young kids are coming up crushing the pros. Where as Doug has an edge over Dnegs, younger players have an edge over Doug. I watched  the Heads Up session of Doug vs Landon Tice, he lost like $500 or so until he gave up.