Netherlands pilot scheme to allow women to play in senior men's team

[stomachgrowls]

Men's league is simply too much for women. Not that I'm saying that they're weak or whatever but it's just that men tend to get more physical and more aggressive in their play style against anyone in the field in a contact sport such as football. Also, one reason I see why this would not pan out very well is through fan objection. Men usually hold back when they are pitted against women, giving them some form of 'handicap' on matches which isn't really enjoyable and fair to bettors and fans alike. If this is a non-contact sport then I would definitely agree, especially if it requires more skill and decision-making, but on a highly-physical game such as football, this is not a good idea.

We would really able to see that kind of hesitance for men that do play together with a women nor having an opponent in different gender. Football is indeed a heavy physical type of game which would really
require strength of a man that a women cant even achieved no matter how hard they do train up into their body.

If they do able to do so then its quite odd on having a women in the field.Also its stated that they do approved on letting an amateur to set-in into a game? that wont really be appealing in any angle
for fans and bettors of course.

Basing up on the poll then we can see that majority is highly opposing this idea.

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[Daniel91]

I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years,  I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.  
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

[mersal]

I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years,  I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.  
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

There are girls who are stronger than men as well but athletic woman and man cannot compete each other in the game like soccer because it will lead into more injuries for the women due to many reasons.I only found women referee videos on internet who themselves injured on many occasions so how it is going to be mixing girls and boys for the same game.

[AmoreJaz]

I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years,  I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys. 
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

There are girls who are stronger than men as well but athletic woman and man cannot compete each other in the game like soccer because it will lead into more injuries for the women due to many reasons.I only found women referee videos on internet who themselves injured on many occasions so how it is going to be mixing girls and boys for the same game.

it's not that i dont want women on this sports. but i just dont want to have another #MeToo movement here in the future. lets just keep it the way it should be. whether these women can cope up with the guys, but with this kind of movement these days, in some ways even if it is not intentional something will arise in the future.

[Lakai01]

Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

This data exists, I have posted excerpts of it on page 1. Here again as a quote:

However, there have been matches of very good women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams, for example in 2016 the national team of Australia (then ranked fifth in the world) played against a U15 delegation from Newcastle. The women lost very clearly with 0:7:

In quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.

'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.

Source

Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.

[FIFA worldcup]

With this soon we can watch mixed football matches same as that we have with the tennis. Another thing women won't get much exposure to the international play same as the men do. With the initiative taken by Netherlands Football Authority more young girls who are good in football will be known to the world.

Will this be allowed offically for women to play in mens team ? In tennis we have sepeate matches for mens, womens, double, single and mixed.
You will not find a match of double where at one team is playing with two males and other team is playing with a male and female.

If they want to introduce this in football, they first need to introduce mixed matches where  the teams consists of both male and female players.

[Daniel91]

Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

This data exists, I have posted excerpts of it on page 1. Here again as a quote:

However, there have been matches of very good women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams, for example in 2016 the national team of Australia (then ranked fifth in the world) played against a U15 delegation from Newcastle. The women lost very clearly with 0:7:

In quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.

'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.

Source

Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.

When I talked about the statistics, I meant the specific data of Elle Fokkem from her football career so far, considering that she has been playing with boys for 14 years.
This is a long enough period of time that some valid conclusions can be drawn.
If we could know her concrete contribution to the men's football club until now (14 years already), how many successful dribbles for example, how many balls taken, how many assists for goals or goals scored, only then could we definitely say whether this girl deserves a place in the team with boys or she is just mascot.
Do we have a member from the Netherlands here who can try to find this information?

[livingfree]

I'm stuck between no and little chance.

We're seeing the mixture of male and female in some contests although it's not that near to this. But as much as I want, they should retain it for all boys and all girls.

This will only create inequality, they can have their own and stay to their category.

[Rosilito]

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Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.

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If we could know her concrete contribution to the men's football club until now (14 years already), how many successful dribbles for example, how many balls taken, how many assists for goals or goals scored, only then could we definitely say whether this girl deserves a place in the team with boys or she is just mascot.
Do we have a member from the Netherlands here who can try to find this information?

I am not from Netherlands, but I did try to find some information about it, however I couldn't find one. I think, such records of her hasn't been yet published online.

Well I somehow agree with you (considering some stuff whether if they can make a blow to a certain team or not). But I must admit... sir @Lakai01 shared information is something we should not disregard, since they were still women, after all. Not tryin' to be superio or drag somebody down here or what, but each have huge differences in terms of physicality. And as mentioned, football is a contact sport which requires strong build.

And so, I voted for "no way"  .

[YOSHIE]

What do you think of this?
If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?

It sounds fun, I can't wait to watch their match in the Champions League, if you tell me I remember some of the female soccer players, who have good skills in the football arena.

Such as: Alex Morgan, who comes from America, he is also a model and has scored five goals in the match against Thailand 2019.
And also another one from the Dutch national team "Vivianne M" this is amazing. She is a beautiful woman and a soccer player by scoring 60 goals throughout her career.

For me that's great, if the Netherlands has an example of female players, after all there is basically a women's football team from the Netherlands, I can only say, I hope the world can do one more rule about the women's football world cup, to be fair.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I have always opined that politics must be kept out of sports. It is not beneficial for the greater good of sports. Here radical feminism is being mixed with sports and I am afraid that the outcome may not be good. Already we have ridiculous occasions where men were allowed to compete in women's sport, just because they claimed that they "identified as female". This caused a lot of harm to the genuine female athletes.

[Debonaire217]

Perhaps, it would be okay if a woman joins a team of sr men playing. But let's try to reverse it. If a man joins a team of women would it still be fun to watch seeing the single man dominating the entire match? I guess not. But if the games aren't that competitive I think it would also still good to watch a mix gender playing sports. Or both teams should have a mixed gender player so that the match will still looks balanced.

[bitcoinisbest]

Its not a good idea, and football is war like game and most furious injuries happens too often due to the collision between player and if this happens between male and female then female could get more brutal injuries and more often death as well.Why not bring women's football as well into a popular game, all players are women means we can actually find more male audiences.

This will be a real test because chances of getting injured from male to female increases as while running or tacking the ball without knowing there is a female the hit could hurt more to female than male. So, this would be a really a test how are they going to do and handle it. Only thing safety of women is main concern in the sports in such testing.

[Naida_BR]

This is a great initiative.
We are searching for equality in this world so we need to be equal in sports as well.
Obviously women and men are different physically but mixed teams are a good point in bringing sports to equal levels between men and women.

[Ucy]

Teams in sports like Tennis, Badminton, etc. play on different sides of the net. So it is possible to conduct mixed matches in such sports. Although, even in such sports Men's double team having let say 205th ranking can easily defeat world number one women's double team.

But in physical sports like football, it is impossible. Even fourth division men's team can play better than the first division women's champion because men are physically stronger and better than women.

I don't want to watch a match where Traorè makes a shoulder challenge and girl bounces and lands 2 meters away. Sorry for sounding too patriarchal but that's a truth.

I don't know why there is a need to play girls in men's team! We already have women leagues where top teams like Barca Femini, Ajax, PSG play. Those leagues have high viewership too and people enjoy watching them too.

I guess they mean well but probably didn't take what we have highlighted into consideration. Difficult decisions like this need to be well researched before they are allowed.
Ofcourse, male and female can play together as team in competitions "if that won't affect them in the bad ways" (may be few unintentional problems here and there maybe tolerated). I wonder what team can achieve this without allowing the immoral "things that should not be done" to be done intentionally

[MCobian]

This is not a good idea to realize, as we all know the difference in the vital parts between men and women can be the reason men
and women cannot play on one field. Imagine if a man clashed physically when fighting over the ball with a woman and accidentally
touched a part vital woman's body there will definitely be awkward moments. And this interferes with the course of the match, to my
knowledge women's bodies are weaker. So if women get tackled, they can get badly injured. It should be like now, women's and men's
football should be separated, except just for practice it doesn't matter.

[shoreno]

This is not a good idea to realize, as we all know the difference in the vital parts between men and women can be the reason men
and women cannot play on one field. Imagine if a man clashed physically when fighting over the ball with a woman and accidentally
touched a part vital woman's body there will definitely be awkward moments. And this interferes with the course of the match, to my
knowledge women's bodies are weaker. So if women get tackled, they can get badly injured. It should be like now, women's and men's
football should be separated, except just for practice it doesn't matter.

 dont know if you have seen girls that body build or on the olympics . they are muscular and have high endurance compare to most of us mens  . if that that type of women are going to enter on the game then we shouldnt be worry about here . this also a game and no malice involved here but if the guy will touch the private parts of the girl i think that would be obvious and anyone will notice that  . thats an easy win for the opposing team but it also bring embarassment and damages to the team that do it

[samcrypto]

This is not a good idea to realize, as we all know the difference in the vital parts between men and women can be the reason men
and women cannot play on one field. Imagine if a man clashed physically when fighting over the ball with a woman and accidentally
touched a part vital woman's body there will definitely be awkward moments. And this interferes with the course of the match, to my
knowledge women's bodies are weaker. So if women get tackled, they can get badly injured. It should be like now, women's and men's
football should be separated, except just for practice it doesn't matter.

This will be a big change and it might hard to accept to anyone because of thinking that men and women should be separated. We know that this generation changed a lot and many Women can really compete to anyone and the fact that they are being accepted on a specific team, that only means they are gold for them and can help the team. We can't know if we are not going to try it, let's give the chance and give a fair feedback later on.

[kotajikikox]

This is a great initiative.
We are searching for equality in this world so we need to be equal in sports as well.
Obviously women and men are different physically but mixed teams are a good point in bringing sports to equal levels between men and women.

Oh, with this kind of sport equalities shouldn't be applied. You already mentioned that physically
they ain't equal it will only damaged those womens physically, the strength of men is far greater

than women, even they've going to have same trainings and physical activities, the development
of mens body is far greater than women.

[Mahanton]

This is a great initiative.
We are searching for equality in this world so we need to be equal in sports as well.
Obviously women and men are different physically but mixed teams are a good point in bringing sports to equal levels between men and women.

Oh, with this kind of sport equalities shouldn't be applied. You already mentioned that physically
they ain't equal it will only damaged those womens physically, the strength of men is far greater

than women, even they've going to have same trainings and physical activities, the development
of mens body is far greater than women.

Its not really that we are underestimating womens but thats what the reality shows out.When it comes to physical body and even in emotion part where
men would be always tough and if you do try to mix em up on a sport then i cant imagine on how a women would able to handle a robust situation
where her body cant able to cope up and as you mentioned where development of body between genders is totally different.So in the question about
allowing women to play in seniors mens team then i cant say that this would be effective nor helpful at all.