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August 14, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
Last edit: August 14, 2020, 02:23:58 PM by dkbit98
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Ledger is again trending in Twitter and for all the bad reasons.
One guy reported 100k of his erc20 tokens have been missing from his Ledger wallet, and Ledger is investigating this.
https://twitter.com/StackingUSD/status/1294254623591739392

It could be he was a victim of phishing attack, but I would not suggest anyone using eth or any other erc20 shit for now.




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It is possible that he used a fake MEW or something like that, that could lead to some other exploit similar to that one from last week:
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015738179

I don't know if the two incidents are related.

I am worried about my ledger now....

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August 14, 2020, 02:28:15 PM
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It is possible that he used a fake MEW or something like that, that could lead to some other exploit similar to that one from last week:
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015738179

I don't know if the two incidents are related.

I am worried about my ledger now....

I was thinking the same thing. Probably related with pervious bug that was reported.
Lucky for me, I don't hold any altcoins on Ledger wallet.

More updates for this case:
https://twitter.com/StackingUSD/status/1294274025213112322


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I was thinking the same thing. Probably related with pervious bug that was reported.
Lucky for me, I don't hold any altcoins on Ledger wallet.

More updates for this case:
https://twitter.com/StackingUSD/status/1294274025213112322



Everything he is saying like "I just reseted my ledger", "I said it was here" doens't mean anything.

 he could have just reseted and went into a fake MEW, or wrote his SEED in phising website...

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August 14, 2020, 02:35:16 PM
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Everything he is saying like "I just reseted my ledger", "I said it was here" doens't mean anything.

 he could have just reseted and went into a fake MEW, or wrote his SEED in phising website...
Probably, and I wouldn't be surprised.
When people can send bunch of Bitcoins to twitter hacker and youtube scam videos, then anything is possible.
However he does have his own TG group with over 4600 members, twitter with over 30k followers, and I don't think he is some naive newbie.

I am waiting for Ledger final reply.

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August 14, 2020, 04:14:52 PM
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Everything he is saying like "I just reseted my ledger", "I said it was here" doens't mean anything.
Maybe, maybe not.  It certainly could be that he was vulnerable to a phishing attack that he's not aware of, but now I'm a bit worried and I'm curious to see what Ledger's response is.  

You guys think this is just an ETH-related thing?  I don't own any ETH or tokens, but hearing news like this is unnerving.

Edit:
What do you mean? If you say it's a vulnerability in erc-20 code, then I doubt it. Nobody can just take tokens away from someone's hardware wallet.
I don't know exactly what I mean.  I'm just wondering whether there's a real vulnerability that could affect everyone or just this member or a particular coin/token.  Never mind my question, as it's just my ignorance of how these things work speaking.

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Not Ledger's fault but good on them on trying to figure out what happened. My initial thought was he bought a tampered HW from a scammer but he says phrase was reset a week before. We can't be sure if that resetting was true though.   

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What do you mean? If you say it's a vulnerability in erc-20 code, then I doubt it. Nobody can just take tokens away from someone's hardware wallet.



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August 14, 2020, 10:28:59 PM
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New update:
Hacker moving large amounts of coins from his wallet to OKEx exchange
No he is asking exchange to freeze the funds and going to contact police for investigation.
No reply from Ledger yet.

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August 14, 2020, 11:24:38 PM
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Hacker moving large amounts of coins from his wallet to OKEx exchange
No he is asking exchange to freeze the funds and going to contact police for investigation.
No reply from Ledger yet.


This is a very stupid move from a hacker.

If the "hacker" knows a zero day bug on ledger and how to sploit it, he would certainly also know how to keep the funds anonymous using a mixer or coin join etc.. he would never send that to an exchange where he could be easily identified and reported and frozen.

Looks like he was scammed by some idiot. Phising site, or someone close etc.

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August 15, 2020, 01:23:33 AM
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Let's assume what he says is correct - he reset his Ledger and set up a new seed phrase a week ago, and his Ledger has been in his possession in a safe since and no one has had access to it.

  • If the Ledger device had generated a non-random seed or there was some other flaw allowing an attacker to brute force the seed without having access to the device, then we would be seeing millions of a variety of coins and tokens being stolen
  • If there was a flaw with the Ethereum app or interface, then again, we would be seeing millions of different ERC20 tokens being stolen

As with the vast majority of hacks, the most likely cause here is user error - insecure seed back up, entering seed in to inappropriate place, fake/malicious wallet or app, etc.

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August 15, 2020, 05:49:03 AM
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This made me worried about my Ledger but after analyzing it and reading the thoughts of o_e_l_e_o and everyone, I'll agree that it could be the guy's fault. Does the victim don't hold bitcoin? or he's just mainly into erc20 tokens? where's the TXIDs?

I quickly read and scroll through the replies of the people interested in that tweet. Most questions were asking for the TXID but the author seems to ignore it.




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August 15, 2020, 07:10:23 AM
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I'll agree that it could be the guy's fault.

 must say fault resulted from his carelessness and  inattentiveness. Even if he was caught up on the hook of the fishing  site Ledger had displayed him the receiving address  to check before signing transaction. Likely he didn't do that  and paid the price.


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August 15, 2020, 07:20:20 AM
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According to Andreas Antonopoulos he believes that it could be an inside job rather than something else. Someone close to him who had access to the safe robbed him. His tweet came as a response to some other user's question who asked if it was possible there could have been a seed collision with a seed already used by someone else.

This is the tweet.

More bad press about Ledger. Maybe it's not their fault this time but karma is a bitch. They decided to focus on their clothing assortment and overprices crypto buying service instead of fixing security bugs and now the problems are pilling up.

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To me, this seems like a little more adding fuel to the fire in an attempt to further damage Ledger's reputation. The tweet that appeared after the alleged hacking raises even more suspicions that this is the case - one person was allegedly hacked, and another reportedly received the same amount on his Ledger.

I noticed that both messages end identically : "What the actual fnck @Ledger". Of course neither of those two Twitter users posted their addresses or transactions, which could only help to at least determine where the tokens ended up and whether the alleged hacker would try to sell them.

Users report hacking their HWs every week, and in the end it turns out that they are victims of phishing or that they kept the seed in unencrypted digital form. I'm 90% sure that's the case here too, the remaining 10% goes to some real unknown vulnerability or to an attempt of bad PR.

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Could this be somehow connected to resent Ledger security breach, when about 10k users private data was stolen?  Could this stolen private info help “current topics hacker” to stole 100k usd?



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August 15, 2020, 11:21:14 AM
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Hacker moving large amounts of coins from his wallet to OKEx exchange
No he is asking exchange to freeze the funds and going to contact police for investigation.
No reply from Ledger yet.


This is a very stupid move from a hacker.

If the "hacker" knows a zero day bug on ledger and how to sploit it, he would certainly also know how to keep the funds anonymous using a mixer or coin join etc.. he would never send that to an exchange where he could be easily identified and reported and frozen.

Looks like he was scammed by some idiot. Phising site, or someone close etc.

I doubt there are any mixer or coinjoin for ETH-20 token, but the hacker still could try to use DEX.

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August 15, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
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Could this be somehow connected to resent Ledger security breach, when about 10k users private data was stolen?  Could this stolen private info help “current topics hacker” to stole 100k usd?

No and yes and no.
No, there is no way that knowing that info will get you into someones PC or Ledger.
Yes, in the fact that it might make you more vulnerable to Spear Phishing or a more targeted attack.
No, in the fact that if the above did happen the user would still have to "do something wrong" somehow.

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August 15, 2020, 11:55:02 AM
 #18

Without disclosing what actually happened, the guy has apologized to Ledger

I want to take a moment to apologize to the @Ledger team. @Ledger_Support was very swift & helpful, despite my attitude. I let my emotions get the best of me, reacting w/o thinking. Rationale & respect went out of the window, and for that I apologize.

Thank you, Team #Ledger.

It's definitely a user error. He probably asked Ledger's support not to disclose the findings in exchange for his apology because it's embarrassing.

He's moving on now and continue with his shills.
I reached out to a lot of exchanges & contacts today, unfortunately they were unable to assist.

I quickly contacted @TomMarchi from @Sentivate & the team was ready to assist instantly. With that being said, I'm content moving onwards and consider this matter concluded.

I guess its time to end the discussion here.




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August 15, 2020, 01:31:33 PM
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It's definitely a user error. He probably asked Ledger's support not to disclose the findings in exchange for his apology because it's embarrassing.

Or it is the most common attempt to attract attention in order to promote something else, such as some shitcoins that the user normally promotes. People are not so stupid as not to see what is happening, and when someone avoids giving an answer to the simple question "What actually happened" everything can be reduced to this tweet :

Since you aren't telling people what happened and how it got resolved, this whole shitshow starts to sound like a cheap marketing campaign for the shitcoin you are promoting.

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August 15, 2020, 01:55:07 PM
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What utter nonsense. He had the equivalent of $110,000 stolen, and in the space of less than 12 hours went from threatening Ledger with "you will repay me", to "I'm content moving forward". He has also been completely silent on what actually happened.

This is one of three things:
  • He did something so monumentally stupid that he is embarrassed by the whole thing, such as type his seed phrase in to a website
  • He fabricated the whole thing for tax evasion or money laundering purposes
  • He fabricated the whole thing to advertise a shitcoin

Regardless, almost certainly nothing to do with Ledger and no security vulnerability of the hardware device.

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