China is winning the Economy Wars

[Vishnu.Reang]

Words such as "What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag " are relevant rather for the period of the Cultural Revolution (then really terrible things happened). Now China is gradually becoming what the rest of the time was the United States-an industrial and scientific world hegemon that everyone fears only because of such a huge force. Whether this is good or bad is unclear but the fact remains that China is the engine of the world economy and if it stops it will happen "new 2008" when the US collapsed. Here is and think that better-apples or pears.

A decade back, everyone were talking about China overtaking the United States to become the no.1 economy in the globe. But that has not happened, because Chinese economic growth has slowed down. American brands such as Apple, Boeing, Amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft remains a step ahead of their Chinese competitors. It will take decades for the Chinese corporations to compete with them.

[abhiseshakana]

China know how to play games, just search how many countries that has a debt to China, As I am guessing, I think China will give some debt deduction when the country opens their exportation of their product and that means getting a profit for China while paying the debt for another countries. America has a trillion $ debt to China which will likely be paid FOREVER coz it will keep rising and that's a trap by China. Disclaimer only fools would believe that the virus is made scientifically by China, America already stated that it existed and born naturally from strains. I mean, I hate China from different reason but not this one. LOL

China is very good at propaganda and wraps colonialism 5.0 with the OBOR program. BRI only promises development in all countries but does not guarantee growth because the wealth of a country is siphoned off by China through the tribute that these countries have to pay to China. Through OBOR China uses its sharp power to ensure food, economic, and social security for its large number of citizens. OBOR provides guaranteed employment, guarantees the circulation of money in China and what is very interesting is an additional guarantee of foreign exchange dollars going to China.

Unfortunately, many government officials and statesmen in many countries do not understand China's strategy, instead they give a welcome to China.

[Eugenar]

It became obvious during the pandemic. Even if the problem exist, their production is non-stop in the aspect of services and more. This I think is the reason why many countries had/ are having thoughts that the virus is intended to be made and to be used against others regions. Unlike other countries wherein if one area is negatively affected by a phenomenon, many things are making the adjustment, hence the whole country is affevted perhaps in this case. The way how they cope up with problems and development simply boosts their economy to be on top of other countries.

No one really knows if the problem we are all experiencing is part of their economic strategy except the country itself. Making an assumption will just more likely move the focus away from what should be done, which is to engage with solving the problem right now.

[50 Cent]

The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

think China wants to beat the domination of the USA as a superpower,
Without a doubt who has the money and power, he will win.
as we know, the population of china is more than 6 billion,
and they need resources, land, food, and perhaps land for their new place.
so they take advantage of that "money" moment to benefit themselves.

[Lorence.xD]

the population of china is more than 6 billion,

Get your facts straight boy, no country has exceeded the 2 billion population mark, what are you smoking?

It became obvious during the pandemic. Even if the problem exist, their production is non-stop in the aspect of services and more. This I think is the reason why many countries had/ are having thoughts that the virus is intended to be made and to be used against others regions. Unlike other countries wherein if one area is negatively affected by a phenomenon, many things are making the adjustment, hence the whole country is affevted perhaps in this case. The way how they cope up with problems and development simply boosts their economy to be on top of other countries.

No one really knows if the problem we are all experiencing is part of their economic strategy except the country itself. Making an assumption will just more likely move the focus away from what should be done, which is to engage with solving the problem right now.

Let me widen your perspective on why I believe China is winning the economy wars, one of them is their exclusive stock market, they do not allow foreign investments get out of the confines of their stock market which means that the money is circulating inside. Another is the real estate bubble, they have built so many ghost cities that will help make the bubble expand(I do not know much about real estate bubble but I know that there are a lot of ghost cities in China), they are pioneering high-end technology with specialization towards surveillance and the growth of tech cities increased over the decade. Now I do not believe too much on the conspiracy that the virus spread intentionally, I think that it is a lousy way to point fingers and blame rather than solve the problem at hand.

[Reatim]

The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

think China wants to beat the domination of the USA as a superpower,
Without a doubt who has the money and power, he will win.
as we know, the population of china is more than 6 billion,
and they need resources, land, food, and perhaps land for their new place.
so they take advantage of that "money" moment to benefit themselves.

Thats why there are a Trade war against USA and China because none of these country wants to lower their belt and make peace instead they choose to continue this war that affect the economy of both parties though i believe that the most affected is USA.
China can stand on their own because there are so many countries that asking for their help also considering that their ally now is Russia that we also know one of the growing country now.


I support OP for this since it is obvious that Chinese is winning all the wars they are engaging now.

But i hope without taking advantage about the weakness of other small countries.

[Cvetik56]

Words such as "What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag " are relevant rather for the period of the Cultural Revolution (then really terrible things happened). Now China is gradually becoming what the rest of the time was the United States-an industrial and scientific world hegemon that everyone fears only because of such a huge force. Whether this is good or bad is unclear but the fact remains that China is the engine of the world economy and if it stops it will happen "new 2008" when the US collapsed. Here is and think that better-apples or pears.

A decade back, everyone were talking about China overtaking the United States to become the no.1 economy in the globe. But that has not happened, because Chinese economic growth has slowed down. American brands such as Apple, Boeing, Amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft remains a step ahead of their Chinese competitors. It will take decades for the Chinese corporations to compete with them.

But I don't think that USA has taken over the world economy either. I mean USA is strong, but China is strong as well. I don't see whole world dominancy from any country at the moment.
It may be impossible at the moment in current world state where real wars and conquering is not a thing anymore

[carlisle1]

China is under  communist political leaderships, expect that they control everything under their jurisdictions, they are now starting to extend their powers and the tactics is how OP is trying to explained, a very good strategy that they don't need to go to war in order to control another countries but instead they are using their money to penetrates and have the power to control whatever poor countries that will fall to this tactics.

Not only China though, there are tons of other country that does this as well even US. It may not seems as harsh as how China does this but you do know for a fact that if a country put up a good amount of money in another country, those country will receive some privilleges. So how does this different from China?

this is  the problem now as even US has been lend by china of some amount in the past and there are humors that this is the reason why US is now creating trade war against Chinese government.
but of course this are only humor and none can proof it right or wrong.

Besides that I dont really see how is that an issue though. Basically China wont be giving you free money without signing any deal to repay them. If the country sign them, that means they should already know the consequences incase they wont be able to pay. If they have no ability to pay, then they shouldnt be taking those money in the first place

Of course thats the main objective of china to lend money as many as they can so each country is under their control because of the debt.
this is how China is very smart in some ways.
and they are now taking the fruit of their actions.

[el kaka22]

If you really are worried about China becoming too powerful because they are a dictatorship and you would rather not see them that much powerful I would say you should stop buying stuff that are made in China, I have started doing that most recently and try to go full local and even though it is a bit more pricey it is not as pricey as you might think, maybe 10% to everything you spend but that is it. Obviously who would want 10% more spending but that also means if the whole world does that China suddenly becomes a very poor country once again.

Also if you are worried that China is killing people, you should check all the other big nations as well, even USA kills natives right now with poisoned water instead of directly shooting them. I say your own nation is much better than any other nation, at least your atrocities are your own.

[jademaxsuy]

What do we expect. They are good in business and the disease comes from their place so they know how to react with it including on how make business with the disease coming from them. I hate this people taking advantage on everything when in fact they are the reason why pandemic happen. Anyway, I do hope that china will somehow help on some countries like poor countries to somehow recover or to help the people that get sick with thw virus. This to make something great in times of this hardships for other are trying to survive while them trying to get more riches.

[BrewMaster]

If you really are worried about China becoming too powerful because they are a dictatorship and you would rather not see them that much powerful I would say you should stop buying stuff that are made in China, I have started doing that most recently and try to go full local and even though it is a bit more pricey it is not as pricey as you might think, maybe 10% to everything you spend but that is it. Obviously who would want 10% more spending but that also means if the whole world does that China suddenly becomes a very poor country once again.

the problem is that most things that look to be locally made are either importing parts from China or are made in China but under a local license so they have a different "made in xxx" written on them.
the fact is that most industries already rely on China and other similar countries. that is why everything in most big countries like US destabilized the day Chinese boarders were closed!

[jostorres]

Of course a lot of people has been pointing out to this and it annoys me a lot whenever I see it. African leaders are just worthless fools, they are putting their subjects in difficult situation. What pisses me off a lot is that Africa is blessed so many natural resources, but their leaders are misusing what they have and looting their money and sending their own kids abroad to developed countries this is pure wickedness and shows how evil these African leaders can be.

Africans are not doing anything about the situation their leaders have led them into, they should really be reacting about this and looking for ways to stop their leaders. The funny thing is that their leaders will collect these loans and put the people the country in debt and then steal those money they got from the loan and the country won’t achieved anything with it, not to talk of paying back.

[jrrsparkles]

If you really are worried about China becoming too powerful because they are a dictatorship and you would rather not see them that much powerful I would say you should stop buying stuff that are made in China, I have started doing that most recently and try to go full local and even though it is a bit more pricey it is not as pricey as you might think, maybe 10% to everything you spend but that is it. Obviously who would want 10% more spending but that also means if the whole world does that China suddenly becomes a very poor country once again.

It is not really possible to live without made in China products, almost everything was produced and exported to each corners of this world and the solution to stop them is to build and encourage the national company and products but pricing may not be affordable for everyone so they always looks for cheaper that is why China is getting bigger in terms of exportation.

[verita1]

As China was able to get out of the Coronavirus pandemic and as a powerful country it is in advantages especially with the USA. What we could say China is winning the economic war. In the 2008 crisis, the most developed countries came together to get out of the crisis quickly.
It is possible that another agreement will happen now as it worked in the past but adapted to the needs of today.

[Lorence.xD]

If you really are worried about China becoming too powerful because they are a dictatorship and you would rather not see them that much powerful I would say you should stop buying stuff that are made in China, I have started doing that most recently and try to go full local and even though it is a bit more pricey it is not as pricey as you might think, maybe 10% to everything you spend but that is it. Obviously who would want 10% more spending but that also means if the whole world does that China suddenly becomes a very poor country once again.

Also if you are worried that China is killing people, you should check all the other big nations as well, even USA kills natives right now with poisoned water instead of directly shooting them. I say your own nation is much better than any other nation, at least your atrocities are your own.

Supporting your local entrepreneurs is a good thing but in my opinion, it will not be easy to overturn China via trade embargos, the reason for that is most of the raw materials and essential products are produced in their country. The only thing that could make a dent to this unstoppable juggernaut is by relocating the factories of many foreign products to other countries and sanctioning trade embargo for raw materials. But that will not be enough because there is still a real estate bubble in China with their ghost cities and their state backed companies that rake in billions upon billions of dollars, these companies can't be easily removed as it has its roots so deep in many other companies that it will topple if they ever pull out their investment.

Regarding the killing of natives in America, the reason that they are different is that they have people who help defend them while in China, thousands have been missing ever since without any reason for them to be taken away, the so-called re-education camps are just a front to oppress the minorities in China, and families of these prisoners can't appeal to anyone as everyone sees this camp as a good thing thanks to life long propaganda and police state, this camps will stay there to oppress more minorities.

[The cure]

China is known for such kind of strategies, they will help other countries specially those they know they can manipulate easily and then they will begin to deceive and seize territory. Just like what happened in my country.

[bits4books]

Words such as "What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag " are relevant rather for the period of the Cultural Revolution (then really terrible things happened). Now China is gradually becoming what the rest of the time was the United States-an industrial and scientific world hegemon that everyone fears only because of such a huge force. Whether this is good or bad is unclear but the fact remains that China is the engine of the world economy and if it stops it will happen "new 2008" when the US collapsed. Here is and think that better-apples or pears.

A decade back, everyone were talking about China overtaking the United States to become the no.1 economy in the globe. But that has not happened, because Chinese economic growth has slowed down. American brands such as Apple, Boeing, Amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft remains a step ahead of their Chinese competitors. It will take decades for the Chinese corporations to compete with them.

Yes, but Apple manufacture everything in China. Second, look at Xiaomi, Huawei, or Alibaba, which are no longer just Chinese domestic giants, but quite confidently hold a decent share of the world market. If in the "first world" countries this is not strongly felt, then in the same Russia, India, and some countries on the periphery, these companies sometimes hold leading positions.
We can say that if earlier the "cold war" was between entire countries, now it is between corporations, the battleground of which is the market and the fight for the consume

[Sapphire915]

China has a lot of ambitions to invade ever. they always copy other people's ideas to enrich themselves. in addition they are very populous and can produce a lot of goods to get rich easily. they are slowly manipulating in the Middle East and it is very effective.
That is also why Donald Trump must stand up to stop this ambition of China. If China becomes the number one power, there will be a lot of political instability in the future. Do you guys agree with me?

Yes, I agree. Even here in our country, Chinese people are scattered everywhere and doing a lot of business, trying to copy the goods from others just to produce more and get more profits from it. I really commend their capability on imitating almost all kinds of products even those medicines that can be sold in the market at a lower price. But can really harm the people's health. Indeed they were so ambitious to be on top that they even wanted to get our island territory which is still under the arguments between our Government and them. I hope the powerful countries could really stop them, they become so much greedy and really don't care how much people are at risk now because of their ambitious thoughts.

[abhiseshakana]

Yes, I agree. Even here in our country, Chinese people are scattered everywhere and doing a lot of business, trying to copy the goods from others just to produce more and get more profits from it. I really commend their capability on imitating almost all kinds of products even those medicines that can be sold in the market at a lower price. But can really harm the people's health. Indeed they were so ambitious to be on top that they even wanted to get our island territory which is still under the arguments between our Government and them. I hope the powerful countries could really stop them, they become so much greedy and really don't care how much people are at risk now because of their ambitious thoughts.

There is no superiority in this world that exists only repetition, but practice makes perfect. Imitating was once required in China, thus transforming China from an imitating country to a modifying and innovating country.

The majority of Chinese production is intended for export, if Chinese goods are dangerous and detrimental to health then it is not China that is completely wrong, but the drug and food control centers, in an importer country that make a mistake, how can goods that are harmful to health can be imported and circulated in a country.

I am not a supporter of China, but I am happy with China's courageous spirit to fight against the world hegemon and put national interests and the interests of its people first.

[int03h]

The Chinese are very good at building the economy into social manipulation. The Chinese are many and they are very united to become a network. They have different ways of economic development, they are closely organized together.
The belt and road initiative was theirs, and they stuck smaller countries into debt by lending them money. China's debt recovery is difficult and they ask to be exchanged by renting an area for 50 years-100 years. This happened in African countries. I think they will let their people travel the world and gradually take over the world.