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[pikkie]

Yes, and I have seen this in almost all betting/forex/invest/gambling forums. I came to the conclusion that if a strategy exists and works, then it should show the same results regardless of who uses it. A custom bot is ideal. But I have not yet come across profitable strategies (

I think no one will ever share a really profitable strategy, because it will stop working. Almost all paid strategies and strategies that are in the public domain do not work or work for a very short time, showing negative results in the long run. Because the sellers and distributors of such strategies are just interested in the player's negative outcome.

well, if you are aware, some gambling places may still use some scripts that make the players at the gambling place suffer losses, perhaps by replacing the dealer card so that it looks like the dealer always wins and we as players often lose.

[k@suy]

Yes, and I have seen this in almost all betting/forex/invest/gambling forums. I came to the conclusion that if a strategy exists and works, then it should show the same results regardless of who uses it. A custom bot is ideal. But I have not yet come across profitable strategies (

I think no one will ever share a really profitable strategy, because it will stop working. Almost all paid strategies and strategies that are in the public domain do not work or work for a very short time, showing negative results in the long run. Because the sellers and distributors of such strategies are just interested in the player's negative outcome.

well, if you are aware, some gambling places may still use some scripts that make the players at the gambling place suffer losses, perhaps by replacing the dealer card so that it looks like the dealer always wins and we as players often lose.

Those who are not aware about that cheating issues of the dealer are pitiful because they thought that its their unlucky day or maybe there is something wrong the way they play that's why they kept on losing their games but they don't know that sometimes it is the dealer who cheats just to trick them.

[delfastTions]

Of all the strategies given in the first post, the most interesting for practice is of course the Martingale.
But as here in the topic some players note the main problem is not in the chosen strategy, but in strict adherence to the rules by gamblers.
And it is precisely because of the desire to win back that all the problems of such players arise. Their inability to stop on the other hand is the driving force of all gambling establishments, allowing them to have good profits.
Azart - as they say "delicate matter"
And the entire system of strategies is aimed precisely at educating gambling players, so that they, with a huge effort of will, can stop at the right moment.
And this is very difficult, I know from myself.

[kryptqnick]

Categories Of Betting Systems

- Positive Progression Betting: This is the most popular betting system purely because gamblers don’t need to have a big bankroll to start the casino game. With the positive progression betting technique, gamblers progressively increase their bets after each win and progressively decrease their bets with each loss.
The theory behind the positive progression betting technique is that you have the greatest opportunity to maximize your profits when you are experiencing a winning streak at the casino game. Additionally, if you are experiencing a losing streak, employing a positive progression betting method will help you to minimize your losses. Positive Progression Betting is a relatively harmless betting technique that offers the opportunity to strike it rich when you are enjoying a winning streak. Always remember that you are not guaranteed a winning streak and should not expect one when playing at the casino.

- Negative Progression Betting: This is a more risky betting system, purely because gamblers require a bigger bankroll at the beginning and a strong will to put this system into practice. With the negative progression betting technique, gamblers progressively increase their bets after each loss with a hopeful expectation of recovering their losses with a single winning bet. Gamblers also decrease their bets when they experience a win.
The theory behind the negative progression betting technique is that even though you have lost the last wager, you are destined to win in the near future. And when that win eventually comes, you would have covered up your losses and made a handsome profit in the process. As enticing as this strategy sounds, it is not suggested for gamblers as it may encourage a risky downward spiral in your casino experience.

Although it is quite plausible that a gambler may employ this technique and walk away with a superb profit, this system is not designed to facilitate great profit for a gambler. Notwithstanding the heavily favored casino odds, there is a great probability that gamblers may lose all or a significant amount of their dedicated bankroll, or at best break even.
Many gamblers are of the opinion that the negative progression betting technique is a flawed method of gambling, as there is a lot of uncertainty as to when your losing streak will come to an end. The negative progression betting technique is not recommended to gamblers due to the volatility of the technique.
This method would suit those gamblers who are high rollers with an extremely strong financial caliber.

- Insurance Betting Systems: This is a relatively neutral gambling technique and is considered as a safer system. With the insurance betting system technique, gamblers progressively decrease their bets after each loss.
Bear in mind that the above techniques are not a sure-fire way to strike it rich, and these should be used with caution at all times.

Another factor to be wary of is called Gambler's Fallacy, where gamblers become fixated with particular casino games based on their characteristics and what stimulates their attention. Gamblers tend to create fallacies in their mind that have weak foundations based on rumors or their perception of reality. These fallacies can cloud the judgment of gamblers, which in turn enables the house edge to prevail easier.

It's a nice and useful thread because it is very informative. However, I don't think there's evidence that betting systems work to help winning. The negative progression option is very addictive and extremely risky because it makes you lose a lot, fast and gives intuitive hope that the net bet will cover all these losses which it often doesn't. I liked positive progression betting, however, because at least it doesn't stimulate losing more money. I don't think I've tried it, but maybe I will. And the insurance betting seems like the safest option, but it's clearly not profit-oriented, it focuses on reducing the money one spends.

[adzino]

You know if those betting "system"/strategies actually worked, all casinos would go bankrupt. They would make using those strategies illegal and a bannable offence (like the way they don't allow people who card counts to play. I mean it is not illegal to count cards, but if you get caught, they will politely tell you to leave and won't let you play anymore on those casino).
People should know that all those strategies are nothing. Game of chances are all about your luck. If you are lucky, you win. But in the long run, it is always the house that wins.

[DarkDays]

Excellent post right here, but I don't think it goes far enough into the drawbacks of betting systems.

Realistically, in most games of chance you stand your best chance of making a profit by dropping an extremely large bet once, and then taking the profits first time around.

The more you play, the closer to the expected result you move. As such, if you're playing thousands of games using some strategy, odds are your win/loss ratio will be close to expected.

Systems will not help in the long run. I'm not even here they help short-term either.

Anybody have any statistics showing the effectiveness of systems in the short vs long-term? (+ merit)

[Questat]

Anybody have any statistics showing the effectiveness of systems in the short vs long-term? (+ merit)

There's a lot we can find online, that's the reason I experiment some of the betting system mentioned in the OP which is the martingale, but unfortunately, the result was opposite, so I quit.  ..... This only means, that a system would not work for everyone.

[Bezobraznike]

Anybody have any statistics showing the effectiveness of systems in the short vs long-term? (+ merit)

There's a lot we can find online, that's the reason I experiment some of the betting system mentioned in the OP which is the martingale, but unfortunately, the result was opposite, so I quit.  ..... This only means, that a system would not work for everyone.

   I searched for these kinds of stats for dices, but I didn't find anything useful. What OP shared can be found on most of the sites,
the same lines, and the same strategies. I try my own strategies, I usually bet manually because for auto-betting you need bigger
bankroll. With manual betting I feel I have more control.   
   There're some sites with dice calculators, but you need to do your own calculations. They have basic info about dices, the same
strategies that OP shared. Search in google dice strategies and calculators and you will have many results, I checked few sites,
except interface they are almost the same.

[Waffen]

The biggest gambling myth is that an event that has not happened recently becomes overdue and more likely to occur. This is known as the “gambler’s fallacy.” Thousands of gamblers have devised betting systems that attempt to exploit the gambler’s fallacy by betting the opposite way of recent outcomes. For example, waiting for three reds in roulette and then betting on black. Hucksters sell “guaranteed” get-rich-quick betting systems that are ultimately based on the gambler’s fallacy. None of them work.

[Sanitough]

Anybody have any statistics showing the effectiveness of systems in the short vs long-term? (+ merit)

There's a lot we can find online, that's the reason I experiment some of the betting system mentioned in the OP which is the martingale, but unfortunately, the result was opposite, so I quit.  ..... This only means, that a system would not work for everyone.

Whether it is martingale or something else, the strategy will give effective results only if you're with good luck.

If you only think luck would make you win, then I think gambling is not fun anymore, I mean there's no need to analyze the data you get since you just rely on luck. No, I don't agree with luck alone, betting system is just part of the system needed to win, but in the end, it's still your consistency that is needed in order for you to win.

Consistency means you win most of the time, and you'll only know that if you are maintaining a record of your gambling activities, also, as long as you are betting on skilled based games, not luck based.

Apart from this, most of the strategies can be succeeded if you've got good volume of backing to spend. As said, there'll be users who have been successful and failed out of gambling. So, methodologies aren't a factor in one's winning.

If you are realistic with your approach, bankroll would depend on what you can afford to lose only, you won't seek for big bankroll that you can't afford to lose as that would give a negative effect on you in the long run.

Your bankroll is suppose to last longer to withstand a cold streak which is possible, so regardless of the size of your bankroll, you need to manage it effectively.

[iv4n]

Excellent post right here, but I don't think it goes far enough into the drawbacks of betting systems.

Realistically, in most games of chance you stand your best chance of making a profit by dropping an extremely large bet once, and then taking the profits first time around.

The more you play, the closer to the expected result you move. As such, if you're playing thousands of games using some strategy, odds are your win/loss ratio will be close to expected.

Systems will not help in the long run. I'm not even here they help short-term either.

Anybody have any statistics showing the effectiveness of systems in the short vs long-term? (+ merit)

I think we had thread here about people who made extremely large bets at very low odds, and they got busted! If you don't have for another bet in games of chance you are screwed! And this "for another bet" read like for many more bets, where you will have to even rise bets/odds to return what you lost and eventually make some profit.
There are systems you can run all day and night! I am doing that with auto betting, and usually I make dust, sometimes I make something more... and there's always chance to get busted.
I have statistic in my head! I am playing dices for +5 years, I tried so many strats for long run, many times it was just fun. I can help you, but you need to tell me what exactly you want to know.
First to say my main place in last months is wolf.bet, they have awesome settings for auto, from recently they have flash too. I can run any odd, from x1.1 to x990, and I tried most of them. In the last few days I mostly play x3 and x4, or something in between. When I let auto overnight I have +120k rolls with my internet and lap top, for some it's faster. Max reds I saw for x3 is 37, and for x4 I had 44 max red streak. Your base bet will depend on your bankroll and goals of course, these max reds happen once in a million rolls, usually it's lower!
If you can be more specific maybe I can give you more info.

[Twentyonepaylots]

Yes, and I have seen this in almost all betting/forex/invest/gambling forums. I came to the conclusion that if a strategy exists and works, then it should show the same results regardless of who uses it. A custom bot is ideal. But I have not yet come across profitable strategies (

I think no one will ever share a really profitable strategy, because it will stop working. Almost all paid strategies and strategies that are in the public domain do not work or work for a very short time, showing negative results in the long run.

Strategies should suite the game that you are playing, you can't just use a single strategy on the entire casino games coz you'll be losing.
But I must say that the martingale strategy won't let you lose as much as you have a backing money to bet for another round.

Because the sellers and distributors of such strategies are just interested in the player's negative outcome.

Paying to get strategy is for a whack and brainless. Imagine paying for someone's interest, like paying for your own grave.

[Stedsm]

I have tried applying some basic rules on my games that I play and even made a set of hard rules to be followed (and I also have my own strategies or ways to deal with losses), but trust me, when you start winning, you just forget those rules and strategies immediately and start focusing on winning more. This creates an addictive environment where I lose my patience as well as my control on myself and that's where I start losing. I won't say that control and patience brings me constant wins and 0 losses, but these 2 really help in not losing what you'd have lost if you'd have played in an addictive manner.

[jademaxsuy]

Whether it is martingale or something else, the strategy will give effective results only if you're with good luck. Apart from this, most of the strategies can be succeeded if you've got good volume of backing to spend. As said, there'll be users who have been successful and failed out of gambling. So, methodologies aren't a factor in one's winning.

Luck yes of course and I can sense that there are really few people that are always lucky and always winning in gamble. Though most of them do not like to gamble as since they were just being influence or just passing by and then do gamble. It is rare case though to happen and I can see also that most gamblers that are addicted to play in gambling usually end up in losing their money. So, I can only see two kinds of gambler here. The lucky and the unlucky one. LOL, In my case, I am.not lucky in gambling I always end up losing my money when I gamble though I could also win but not that much compared to lossing.

[bobyhodob]

I have tried applying some basic rules on my games that I play and even made a set of hard rules to be followed (and I also have my own strategies or ways to deal with losses), but trust me, when you start winning, you just forget those rules and strategies immediately and start focusing on winning more. This creates an addictive environment where I lose my patience as well as my control on myself and that's where I start losing. I won't say that control and patience brings me constant wins and 0 losses, but these 2 really help in not losing what you'd have lost if you'd have played in an addictive manner.

well, the conclusion of what you say is that there is no strategy that always gives you victory, which must be needed to be able to regulate your emotional state, don't be too passionate about gambling because it can make you lose instantly when you can't control your emotions.

[imstillthebest]

Whether it is martingale or something else, the strategy will give effective results only if you're with good luck. Apart from this, most of the strategies can be succeeded if you've got good volume of backing to spend. As said, there'll be users who have been successful and failed out of gambling. So, methodologies aren't a factor in one's winning.

Luck yes of course and I can sense that there are really few people that are always lucky and always winning in gamble. Though most of them do not like to gamble as since they were just being influence or just passing by and then do gamble. It is rare case though to happen and I can see also that most gamblers that are addicted to play in gambling usually end up in losing their money. So, I can only see two kinds of gambler here. The lucky and the unlucky one. LOL, In my case, I am.not lucky in gambling I always end up losing my money when I gamble though I could also win but not that much compared to lossing.

if we are only among those who are born to have an unlimited luck and winning  we are now millionaires and we arent here already but i wonder if there are or its really possible to posses a gift like that ? because they can abuse every casinos they came across with  . theres no balance if that happens .

thats why i wont easily believe on those but two things are for sure and those are winners and loosers

[Botnake]

if we are only among those who are born to have an unlimited luck and winning  we are now millionaires and we arent here already but i wonder if there are or its really possible to posses a gift like that ? because they can abuse every casinos they came across with  . theres no balance if that happens .

It's not possible, that didn't exist and  no person is so lucky to have experience winning all the time.
Best we can do is to be realistic, work our method the hard way and try to figure out how to win in the long run as it's possible.

thats why i wont easily believe on those but two things are for sure and those are winners and loosers

We only need to have more winning bets over losing bets, that would already make us profitable if we are discipline in managing our bankroll at the same time.

[Stedsm]

well, the conclusion of what you say is that there is no strategy that always gives you victory, which must be needed to be able to regulate your emotional state, don't be too passionate about gambling because it can make you lose instantly when you can't control your emotions.

That's true, you can win an X amount in gambling (n times or m % actually) but you need to focus on that amount that you've already made up, and see that you've already made more than what an average Joe makes if he'd have put his money in a bank's FD and waits for years to double it whereas if you manage to even gain 50% of your total capital (not the bet size of a bet but your entire bankroll), then I guess there's no need to keep your money over there. Just withdraw and use it. If not, and you're into doubling your money, sure go ahead but do understand that there could be losses ahead which might make you bet more by flowing under your emotions and lose even more than what you'll have at that time.

[KTChampions]

Yes, and I have seen this in almost all betting/forex/invest/gambling forums. I came to the conclusion that if a strategy exists and works, then it should show the same results regardless of who uses it. A custom bot is ideal. But I have not yet come across profitable strategies (

I think no one will ever share a really profitable strategy, because it will stop working. Almost all paid strategies and strategies that are in the public domain do not work or work for a very short time, showing negative results in the long run. Because the sellers and distributors of such strategies are just interested in the player's negative outcome.

I do not think that they are interested in losing the player, the only reason is that they cannot sell a profitable strategy because they do not have it. And, by the way, the sellers of these strategies are trying to delay as much as possible the moment of bankruptcy of the one who buys their goods. If you paid attention, then in all these strategies a very large emphasis is placed on money management. And this money management is delaying the moment of bankruptcy as much as possible.

[illetyus]

3. The Martingale Betting System: This is a negative progression betting technique and is often used as a method to double up your wagers after each losing bet. This makes calculating progressions relatively simple and attempts to maximize winning streaks. Its foundations lay on instructions to double your bets when you lose and wager standard bets when you win.
The Martingale Betting System is great for short term play, and is not recommended for long term strategy. Gamblers find that they often make great risks for little reward when employing this system.
This system is most popular when playing Roulette, Blackjack, Online Craps, and Baccarat.

The Martingale system is essentially like betting on a match with odds of x1.10 with your entire balance.
You can earn money multiple times in the Martgingale system. But this money is small amounts. If you lose once, you can lose all your money.