Bitcoin Forum
May 13, 2024, 09:21:27 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
Author Topic: Btc/eth denominated mortgage or borrowing for miners in cryptocurrency?  (Read 274 times)
bearexin
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1162
Merit: 168


View Profile
August 26, 2020, 03:46:09 PM
 #21

Well, right now they are doing this type of DeFi stuff but it makes no sense. You are paying 120 dollars in bitcoin and getting 80 dollars ethereum loan, so if you pay it back you pay it back and if you do not you lose money anyway. However let's say I do not have any money, or maybe just a bit of money, I want to buy a house and it worths 120 thousand dollars and I have 40 thousand dollars saved up, I need 80 thousand dollars to actually buy that house right?

In the banking world I go out and get the loan and buy the house and then pay loan instead of rent and that way I own a house. However at the end of the day bitcoin is not as legal just yet, when banks get into it with time, they will find a way to make sure they can seize your things if you do not pay your crypto loan.
1715592087
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715592087

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715592087
Reply with quote  #2

1715592087
Report to moderator
1715592087
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715592087

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715592087
Reply with quote  #2

1715592087
Report to moderator
"Bitcoin: mining our own business since 2009" -- Pieter Wuille
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1715592087
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715592087

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715592087
Reply with quote  #2

1715592087
Report to moderator
1715592087
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715592087

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715592087
Reply with quote  #2

1715592087
Report to moderator
1715592087
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715592087

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715592087
Reply with quote  #2

1715592087
Report to moderator
Spaffin
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1316
Merit: 108



View Profile WWW
August 26, 2020, 04:25:40 PM
 #22

Well, right now they are doing this type of DeFi stuff but it makes no sense. You are paying 120 dollars in bitcoin and getting 80 dollars ethereum loan, so if you pay it back you pay it back and if you do not you lose money anyway. However let's say I do not have any money, or maybe just a bit of money, I want to buy a house and it worths 120 thousand dollars and I have 40 thousand dollars saved up, I need 80 thousand dollars to actually buy that house right?

In the banking world I go out and get the loan and buy the house and then pay loan instead of rent and that way I own a house. However at the end of the day bitcoin is not as legal just yet, when banks get into it with time, they will find a way to make sure they can seize your things if you do not pay your crypto loan.
I have always been against loans in any form, even a mortgage in cryptocurrency is not attractive to me. I am also confident that I will have to pay my debts in any case, even if the ownership of cryptocurrency funds is anonymous. the relevant financial structures have always had security services and they will act accordingly Even with the legalization of cryptocurrencies. Nobody will be able to use their secret means if they have large debts or even declare themselves bankrupt.

FXBOX    [TelegramTwitter ]  ▞  GAMEFI  ◼  NFT  ◼  DEFI  ◼  CURRENCY TRADING
██████████████████  PLAY 2 EARN FINANCIAL GAMES  ██████████████████
INVESTINGTRADINGLOTTERYMARKET PREDICTIONS     ◖ READ MORE
ytrezq (OP)
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 285
Merit: 27


View Profile
August 26, 2020, 06:19:11 PM
 #23

Well, right now they are doing this type of DeFi stuff but it makes no sense. You are paying 120 dollars in bitcoin and getting 80 dollars ethereum loan, so if you pay it back you pay it back and if you do not you lose money anyway. However let's say I do not have any money, or maybe just a bit of money, I want to buy a house and it worths 120 thousand dollars and I have 40 thousand dollars saved up, I need 80 thousand dollars to actually buy that house right?

Yes, beside tax reasons in some states, this makes no sense. What I think is I should find a startup/fintech like blockfi offering multi years term loans for off chain use and discuss with them opening the opportunity for unbacked loan.

In the banking world I go out and get the loan and buy the house and then pay loan instead of rent and that way I own a house. However at the end of the day bitcoin is not as legal just yet, when banks get into it with time, they will find a way to make sure they can seize your things if you do not pay your crypto loan.

Correct, this is exactly what I want to do but using cryptocurrency. I’m thinking however the solution would come from from a pure online service/fintech or start up instead of going at the nearest branch of a bank.
ytrezq (OP)
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 285
Merit: 27


View Profile
August 26, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
 #24

Well, right now they are doing this type of DeFi stuff but it makes no sense. You are paying 120 dollars in bitcoin and getting 80 dollars ethereum loan, so if you pay it back you pay it back and if you do not you lose money anyway. However let's say I do not have any money, or maybe just a bit of money, I want to buy a house and it worths 120 thousand dollars and I have 40 thousand dollars saved up, I need 80 thousand dollars to actually buy that house right?

In the banking world I go out and get the loan and buy the house and then pay loan instead of rent and that way I own a house. However at the end of the day bitcoin is not as legal just yet, when banks get into it with time, they will find a way to make sure they can seize your things if you do not pay your crypto loan.
I have always been against loans in any form, even a mortgage in cryptocurrency is not attractive to me. I am also confident that I will have to pay my debts in any case, even if the ownership of cryptocurrency funds is anonymous. the relevant financial structures have always had security services and they will act accordingly Even with the legalization of cryptocurrencies. Nobody will be able to use their secret means if they have large debts or even declare themselves bankrupt.

My intent is to pay them in full as I would had been able to borrow in fiat. Though there is wide gap between how borrowing before fiat existed using gold (something I accept to do) and the existing system allowing main street of anywhere in the world to borrow at negative rate without justifying the purpose.
ytrezq (OP)
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 285
Merit: 27


View Profile
August 27, 2020, 09:30:04 AM
 #25

BitMex pointed out in an excellent article that the preferred use case would be Mining farms who earn in Bitcoin and currently borrow in fiat for purchasing their hardware.
stompix
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2884
Merit: 6323


Blackjack.fun


View Profile
August 27, 2020, 10:32:37 AM
 #26

But you stated you found some legit services offering such loans against collaterals!

Yes, but services that would require collateral worth at least 120% of the value you want to borrow.
So you deposit 100eth and they lend you 30k usd. But you need 100 eth in the first place! Ther are quite a few of them, some which brag about the companies backing them, like nexo or celsius, not that I would recommned any of it as I have never used them.

~

First in such case, this is the company which borrows, not the owner whereas what I’m needing is for solving a familly problem and my lack of having tacking college seriously. Then, I’m don’t think borrowing in Cameroon or from a European bank while in the country is a good option.
Of course, I declare everything what I can convert to fiat. But for most of the remaining this is exchanging with chineese Ethereum address and obscure websites, which means no names, no address which completely prevents proper billing/invoicing.

I had the impression you're a French citizen and you're trying to help your brother who is not, now that you've posted more details about your situation, well, this is beyond my current knowledge about lending, to be honest I see now way to solve this

Well, right now they are doing this type of DeFi stuff but it makes no sense. You are paying 120 dollars in bitcoin and getting 80 dollars ethereum loan, so if you pay it back you pay it back and if you do not you lose money anyway. However let's say I do not have any money, or maybe just a bit of money, I want to buy a house and it worths 120 thousand dollars and I have 40 thousand dollars saved up, I need 80 thousand dollars to actually buy that house right?

It makes sense only if you're expecting your collateral to grow x10 in the future, so you don't want to sell it now at 11k but  10 years from now on when they are worth 100k a piece. Ironically, once cryptos become more used and as value stabilize and volayility goes away, this type of loans will become less and less attractive.

.
.BLACKJACK ♠ FUN.
█████████
██████████████
████████████
█████████████████
████████████████▄▄
░█████████████▀░▀▀
██████████████████
░██████████████
████████████████
░██████████████
████████████
███████████████░██
██████████
CRYPTO CASINO &
SPORTS BETTING
▄▄███████▄▄
▄███████████████▄
███████████████████
█████████████████████
███████████████████████
█████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
███████████████████████
█████████████████████
███████████████████
▀███████████████▀
█████████
.
ytrezq (OP)
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 285
Merit: 27


View Profile
August 27, 2020, 10:39:44 AM
Last edit: August 27, 2020, 01:04:10 PM by ytrezq
 #27

But you stated you found some legit services offering such loans against collaterals!

Yes, but services that would require collateral worth at least 120% of the value you want to borrow.
So you deposit 100eth and they lend you 30k usd. But you need 100 eth in the first place! Ther are quite a few of them, some which brag about the companies backing them, like nexo or celsius, not that I would recommned any of it as I have never used them.


Yes my point is why not talk to them about opening the possibility of such non pawnbroker/collateralized loans. I’m thinking this would be the best option. However pawnbroker loans with multi years terms and off chain use are more rare. In fact, I only found one.
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!