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Question: Who will be the champion in 2024/25 season?
Manchester City - 32 (47.8%)
Liverpool - 10 (14.9%)
Arsenal - 21 (31.3%)
Chelsea - 0 (0%)
Manchester United - 3 (4.5%)
Totenham - 0 (0%)
Newcastle - 0 (0%)
Other - 1 (1.5%)
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December 18, 2023, 10:14:05 AM

TBH, Liverpool is not the Liverpool of last season so it's not something that should be surprising about their performance yesterday. You can imagine a club which had less of their good players in action could still hold Jurgen Klopp's men to a goalless draw can tell one a lot. Man UTD are the only club who haven't lost at the Anfield this season and while yesterday was a day to change the record, Liverpool went ahead to flop it.
 I also must commend Erik's tactic in the game yesterday as they defended more than they attacked. Infact the best way to describe their pattern was like that of a weak team which when overlooked can turn things around on the head and punish you for it as Liverpool were almost punished for their overconfidence.
This draw means they aren't at the first spot and for me I feel that was what Man UTD was hoping to achieve.

Actually Liverpool were much worse than this in the first half of the previous season. If you remember they started to perform much better in the second half of that season but even that wasn't enough for them to finish the league in top 4. Right now their first half performance in the season is much better. At least the number of points they have collected and their position are.

But it is true that their performance at finishing their goal opportunities was really poor against Manchester United as I also said in my previous post. They are still unbeaten for many weeks though but they had better improve their scoring performance again.

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December 18, 2023, 10:21:40 AM

The confrontation between Liverpool and Manchester United is always difficult and this match was no exception, especially after the defeat in the Champions League, ten Hag said that now they will try to do everything possible to finish the season in the top 4. I also expected that Liverpool would be able to win, but this has become a long-standing problem for Klopp, when his team top the table, they often drop points. I agree that Liverpool should have won this match, but I cannot say that Manchester United did not deserve a loss in this match.
It is not a failure for Liverpool because Manchester united have increased their focus on improving their performance in the Premier League. After being eliminated from the Champions League, Erik ten hag was of course under a lot of pressure to improve Manchester united so they could get points in the matches they played. Yes, they managed to withstand the attacks carried out by liverpool and managed to secure a point at Anfield. Even though it's not a good record, Manchester united can avoid defeat in this match because if their defense is not strong, Liverpool can certainly score goal in this match, but Onana performed better in this match by not conceding.

Unfortunately for Liverpool because last week they were able to lead the standing but they were not strong enough to maintain it. After watching the matches this week, I saw that many teams had swapped places with each other on the standing. Even in the lower teams, Everton is increasingly confident by winning consecutive match in the last 4 match which has kept them away from the relegation zone.

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December 18, 2023, 10:35:15 AM

However, Manchester United is the top Premier League team and they have quite a fierce rivalry with Liverpool so this draw is quite fair in my opinion.
And indeed the Manchester United players played quite disciplined in this match, especially their defense line which the Liverpool players were unable to penetrate so that no goals were scored in this match.
In fact, I want to say that the result of this match was unfair for Liverpool, because Liverpool appeared quite convincing in this match but unfortunately they couldn't score a goal because of Onana's best performance. However, whatever the developments, Man United was able to hold Liverpool to a draw at Anfield, namely Man United last season against Man United who were on fire and playing with a full team. Liverpool can beat Man United 7-0, now Man United is under performing and not yet full. Liverpool's team was only able to hold on to a draw. Hopefully in the future Man United can achieve positive results.

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December 18, 2023, 10:47:20 AM

However, Manchester United is the top Premier League team and they have quite a fierce rivalry with Liverpool so this draw is quite fair in my opinion.
And indeed the Manchester United players played quite disciplined in this match, especially their defense line which the Liverpool players were unable to penetrate so that no goals were scored in this match.
In fact, I want to say that the result of this match was unfair for Liverpool, because Liverpool appeared quite convincing in this match but unfortunately they couldn't score a goal because of Onana's best performance. However, whatever the developments, Man United was able to hold Liverpool to a draw at Anfield, namely Man United last season against Man United who were on fire and playing with a full team. Liverpool can beat Man United 7-0, now Man United is under performing and not yet full. Liverpool's team was only able to hold on to a draw. Hopefully in the future Man United can achieve positive results.
Even though Liverpool have played very, very well. But what can Liverpool do if they face an opponent who then becomes completely defensive. Although the formation used by Ten Heg is not a full defensive strategy. But with the playing conditions on the field where Liverpool continued to dominate the match, all Man United players inevitably had to help in defense. And this makes Liverpool difficult. And in this match, it looks like Ten Heg has Onana to thank. Because he made a lot of saves in this match. With the dominance and all the attacks built by the Liverpool squad, I also hope Liverpool can score at least 1 goal in this match. But unfortunately that didn't happen.

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December 18, 2023, 11:12:05 AM

Chelsea hadn't won for 2 weeks and yesterday they put an end to that by beating Sheffield United, one of the weakest teams in the league, 2-0 at home.Chelsea is a team that I have doubts about even getting into the top 5 this season and it seems that they will not succeed despite such a transfer budget and a good squad.It is a bad experience for Chelsea that they still can't find out exactly what they did wrong.Pochettino's inability to get the team in shape and the continuous loss of points has put them far away from the top 5.
We already know that Sheffield didn't find many chances in this match and that they are very weak compared to their opponent.The statistics already tell us that.The first half ended goalless and the goals came early in the second half.
Chelsea don't need to get into the top five this season, because the main thing for Chelsea now is to stabilize the game and give the players confidence after the failure of last season. The team basically fell apart and every player was on his own, the level of play was awful, they lost to everyone, it was especially awful when Lampard was coaching. With the arrival of Poccetino the situation changed for the better, they started scoring, playing as a team and some players even showed why they were paid such money for them. The win over Sheffield also helps Pocchetino to gradually put the team in order and keep the despair at bay. Mudrick has finally started scoring and Cole Palmer is developing into a serious player that Chelsea should not miss.
This team looks so weird. Chelsea is always performing so badly against the small team but it was good enough against the big team. I think that chelsea shall not put top 5 as its main target. It's too good to be true with the current performance of chelsea.
Chelsea was not so bad but it's not strong enough to compete in the top 5. The performance of club is very inconsistent right now. Mudryk was always performing so badly.
I think that his goal was pure luck. If we are seeing him from the average performance and he was very bad winger owned by chelsea. Over priced and over rated guy for sure.
Chelsea needs to buy a new winger again. Pochettino has been wasting a lot of money for noithing this season. He was getting so many young players without enough experience to help chelsea to perform better.
Pochettino shall be blamed here.
weird is a very good word to describe Chelsea.

Not only Mudrick is overrated, you can say that about half of the squad, even Enzo, for whom they gave 100 million, almost as much as for Bellingham, but he plays just as well as Bellingham. Most of the transfers came in the 21/22 season, the time before Pocchetino came and he had no influence on them, so now he is trying to build a team with the players he has. I think that a place from 5 to 8 will be lucky for Chelsea in the current state of the team.

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December 18, 2023, 11:17:33 AM

Chelsea don't need to get into the top five this season, because the main thing for Chelsea now is to stabilize the game and give the players confidence after the failure of last season. The team basically fell apart and every player was on his own, the level of play was awful, they lost to everyone, it was especially awful when Lampard was coaching. With the arrival of Poccetino the situation changed for the better, they started scoring, playing as a team and some players even showed why they were paid such money for them. The win over Sheffield also helps Pocchetino to gradually put the team in order and keep the despair at bay. Mudrick has finally started scoring and Cole Palmer is developing into a serious player that Chelsea should not miss.

You are right there is nothing we can expect from Chelsea this season everything seemed impossible to them moreover, having to fight for the top 5 positions is clearly more difficult, Pochettino will focus more on finding ways to stabilize the team in every match like they did at the end of last November we still remember when Chelsea recorded 4 positive results in a row, when Chelsea has done it the next step is how to find it in every match. Chelsea have a good squad and great players but somehow they haven't been able to collaborate with each other although recently they are slowly starting to find it, Basically, in my opinion, Chelsea is a team that can soar at any time because they already have complete basics next is just waiting for time.

By the way Liverpool messed up my parlay yesterday Liverpool played very convincingly from the first half and continued in the second half but unfortunately there were no goal, I don't know what happened even though they dominated the match from the first half. With this draw, Liverpool had to drop to 2nd place but yeah Liverpool has a chance to take over the standings when the two teams have to fight each other on December 24, I hope Liverpool as the home team does not waste this opportunity or they will find it increasingly difficult to retake first place.

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December 18, 2023, 11:18:48 AM

Pep Guardiola already won the treble for Manchester United, if he really wants a break and he discovered that his tactics aren't effective, then, it's okay to.take a break with the coaching system for a while.
He's repeatedly drawn games I felt like he should have won honestly. But this years Premier League Competition? I would love to see Arsenal winning. Manchester City seems to have something going wrong. Last season even without Kevin De Bruyne, they made sure to still win games.

I think what you mean here is Manchester City.

In the last few matches City have not had Haaland and this has had a big influence on their goal conversion. I saw in the last 3 matches where City dominated so much but they missed many opportunities to score goals. Maybe there is no finisher like Haaland at City at the moment. This is homework that Pep Guardiola must complete. I agree with you that for now it's good for Pep to rest after last year they worked very hard to win the treble winner.
Manchester City's last 5 matches have experienced bad things after losing Haaland who suffered an injury and for me this condition is very normal, an injury prevents a player from being able to make the best contribution, it is even a nightmare for all players.
But I see from the written data that Haaland will be able to appear again in a few days and also De Bruyne at the end of this month will definitely appear again with MC and this is a sign that if these two players return to appear again we will definitely see MC getting rid of him again. the club is above him and reclaims first place and that will definitely happen because we can see evidence that when Haaland is absent, MC's performance declines and if he returns the situation will definitely become brighter.
For Pep Guardiola, I know that last season he worked hard to bring the club to the title of triple winner, but if I look at it now, it seems like he is a little tired, but still he wants to chase that title and try to break the record for the best coach.
But if a coach forces him to continue contributing to the club even though he is a little tired, usually the results are not satisfactory and could even be worse and I agree that he should take a short break.

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December 18, 2023, 11:40:47 AM

In fact, I want to say that the result of this match was unfair for Liverpool, because Liverpool appeared quite convincing in this match but unfortunately they couldn't score a goal because of Onana's best performance. However, whatever the developments, Man United was able to hold Liverpool to a draw at Anfield, namely Man United last season against Man United who were on fire and playing with a full team. Liverpool can beat Man United 7-0, now Man United is under performing and not yet full. Liverpool's team was only able to hold on to a draw. Hopefully in the future Man United can achieve positive results.
A good achievement for Manchester United for not losing against Liverpool with defensive statistics maintained throughout the match.
Of course it is not appropriate to consider a draw as a success if the playing pattern is like that, friend.
We are targeting a win and Manchester United is targeting a draw. It really doesn't make sense for a team as big as Manchester United to set that target if they consider themselves a top team.
Even though we can only share points at Anfield, we are satisfied with Liverpool's performance.

 
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December 18, 2023, 11:51:03 AM

I watched the Liverpool-M.United game, to be honest, I didn't enjoy it very much. Both teams were careful and it ended in a draw.
The English Premier League game between Liverpool and Manchester United didn't produce the kind of result that was expected of, the performance of the two clubs made the boring and unable to live up to the expectations of football fans across the globe. Liverpool with all their quality attacking players couldn't score a goal in that match even when they were tipped to rip Manchester United apart before the game kicked off. Manchester United manager Erik Ten Hag would definitely be happy with the result because in recent weeks, his team has lost crucial games which made many football fans to believe that they were gonna be whitewashed by Liverpool yesterday. The draw sees Liverpool drop from the the top spot of the league standings.



Arsenal won 2-0 and are top of the league. I hope they become champions this year because they should be now, we want the old Arsenal.

Earlier in the beginning of the season when Manchester City were still at the top of the English Premier League table, many were of the opinion that they were gonna win English Premier League title at the end if the season again which if achieved will see them lift the trophy in each of the last four seasons. However, I was of the opinion then that Arsenal who were close to winning the league title last season before they were pipped to the trophy by Manchester City will have a better contender for the English Premier League title than they were last season because after I saw how tactically disciplined the entire team was, I made my conclusion about the team. Their consistent results since then has gone a long way to validate my opinion about the team. On Saturday, they defeated Brighton by two goals to nil but could've have had a better scoreline if they converted most of their clear chances in the game. The win keeps them at the top of the league table after the final games of match week 17 has been played as former league leaders Liverpool failed to beat Manchester United yesterday at Anfield.

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December 18, 2023, 12:03:08 PM

Pep Guardiola already won the treble for Manchester United, if he really wants a break and he discovered that his tactics aren't effective, then, it's okay to.take a break with the coaching system for a while.
He's repeatedly drawn games I felt like he should have won honestly. But this years Premier League Competition? I would love to see Arsenal winning. Manchester City seems to have something going wrong. Last season even without Kevin De Bruyne, they made sure to still win games.

I think what you mean here is Manchester City.

In the last few matches City have not had Haaland and this has had a big influence on their goal conversion. I saw in the last 3 matches where City dominated so much but they missed many opportunities to score goals. Maybe there is no finisher like Haaland at City at the moment. This is homework that Pep Guardiola must complete. I agree with you that for now it's good for Pep to rest after last year they worked very hard to win the treble winner.

Exactly!! Thank You for the correction.

They have seen themselves conceding too many goals in the last six to seven games in the Premier League Competition they have played. I didn't see the game against Crystal Palace but one would know they've been playing around with the defense.
The absence of Erling Haaland and his chances creator Kevin De Bruyne is also out Injured and not ready to play, it has thus affected them in ways they don't quite understand. The Champions League draws out already, I'll go see who they be up against. This is the best timing to see Jack Grealish showing his worth, he's busy playing around like a drunk monk.

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December 18, 2023, 12:05:07 PM

The EPL is always a surprising competition because matches that could have been won ended in a draw. Here, Liverpool is clearly the favorite to win against Manchester United, but it seems that even against their rivals, Manchester United doesn't want to be careless and also pay attention to their back line so they don't concede easily. Even though in the end both teams did not score a single goal in this match, they both played very well. Maybe initially everyone thought that Manchester United would lose badly to Liverpool, but Andre Onana's performance in this match was silenced because he was seen repeatedly making saves when Liverpool had a chance to score.

On the other hand, Manchester United also seemed to be using a bus parking strategy and in fact they realized that was the only thing they could do against Liverpool who were in their best performance. For Manchester United, being able to still get 1 point is a good thing, but for Liverpool this is clearly a loss because they failed to maintain the top position this week and the top position is now occupied by Arsenal.
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December 18, 2023, 12:05:16 PM

A good achievement for Manchester United for not losing against Liverpool with defensive statistics maintained throughout the match.
Of course it is not appropriate to consider a draw as a success if the playing pattern is like that, friend.
We are targeting a win and Manchester United is targeting a draw. It really doesn't make sense for a team as big as Manchester United to set that target if they consider themselves a top team.
Even though we can only share points at Anfield, we are satisfied with Liverpool's performance.
Erik Ten Haag realizes that their opponents will not be easy to beat at Anfield and also the fact that their opponents are one of the most productive teams this season, so Manchester United will face big difficulties if they play more openly to be able to create opportunities against Liverpool which will open up their defense side that has been very weak this season.
Quite disappointed with this result because Liverpool has a big chance to maintain its position at the top of the standings and with the next match which is no less tough it will be very difficult for Liverpool, but Liverpool will try to maintain their unbeaten stats at Anfield this season but not with a draw against Arsenal may therefore allow Aston Villa to take over first place in the standings.
If Liverpool can handle Arsenal well and get the three points then they will take the top spot again and the last game this year against Burnley shouldn't be a difficult game to overcome.

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TBH, Liverpool is not the Liverpool of last season so it's not something that should be surprising about their performance yesterday. You can imagine a club which had less of their good players in action could still hold Jurgen Klopp's men to a goalless draw can tell one a lot. Man UTD are the only club who haven't lost at the Anfield this season and while yesterday was a day to change the record, Liverpool went ahead to flop it.
 I also must commend Erik's tactic in the game yesterday as they defended more than they attacked. Infact the best way to describe their pattern was like that of a weak team which when overlooked can turn things around on the head and punish you for it as Liverpool were almost punished for their overconfidence.
This draw means they aren't at the first spot and for me I feel that was what Man UTD was hoping to achieve.

Actually Liverpool were much worse than this in the first half of the previous season. If you remember they started to perform much better in the second half of that season but even that wasn't enough for them to finish the league in top 4. Right now their first half performance in the season is much better. At least the number of points they have collected and their position are.
What? liverpool was able destroying manchester united with seven goals. It's unlike the performance of liverpool this time. There are many things that are not going so well. It likes when liverpool was trying so hard to score against manchester united it was failed.
Liverool has been wasting so many golden chances. I would not be surprised that if liverpool will be trying even better in upcoming match. Varane has been showing his true performance, which is amazing.
That's very sad to see that liverpool was missing opportunity to get three points from manchester united and this is a win for ten hag coz he was able stealing point from anfield.


But it is true that their performance at finishing their goal opportunities was really poor against Manchester United as I also said in my previous post. They are still unbeaten for many weeks though but they had better improve their scoring performance again.
I don't know what's wrong with liverpool during the game but the attacking lines seems being so wasteful with any opportunities that came to the club. Even salah was unable help liverpool to score the game against manchester united.
Manchester united has been showing amazing performance for sure. Yeah that;'s shit to see how MU's defensive line is always going up and down.

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December 18, 2023, 12:40:03 PM

However, Manchester United is the top Premier League team and they have quite a fierce rivalry with Liverpool so this draw is quite fair in my opinion.
And indeed the Manchester United players played quite disciplined in this match, especially their defense line which the Liverpool players were unable to penetrate so that no goals were scored in this match.
Jurgen Klopp was shocked to see the heavy defendlines from Manchester United. I blame Liverpool for drawing points with Manchester United, the Reds got solid spot to win but couldn't convert their chances to goals. Mere watching Luis Diaz overrated performance and couldn't net a goal, instead he was dribbling and failed to pass the ball to his teammates. A goal-less draw we watched. Manchester United was probably not able to withstand the pressure from Liverpool at Anfield. They just got lucky, and this might not happen next time.

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However, Manchester United is the top Premier League team and they have quite a fierce rivalry with Liverpool so this draw is quite fair in my opinion.
And indeed the Manchester United players played quite disciplined in this match, especially their defense line which the Liverpool players were unable to penetrate so that no goals were scored in this match.
In fact, I want to say that the result of this match was unfair for Liverpool, because Liverpool appeared quite convincing in this match but unfortunately they couldn't score a goal because of Onana's best performance. However, whatever the developments, Man United was able to hold Liverpool to a draw at Anfield, namely Man United last season against Man United who were on fire and playing with a full team. Liverpool can beat Man United 7-0, now Man United is under performing and not yet full. Liverpool's team was only able to hold on to a draw. Hopefully in the future Man United can achieve positive results.
You can say the results was unfair  because Liverpool literally didn't score any goal and it was denied them neither was there anytime a foul or penalty was denied them and moreover they were playing from their home so definitely everything was literally fair they only failed to score and win the game even at their home Manchester was just better yesterday.

The defense line of Manchester united yesterday was really different and didn't at any point gave Liverpool a chance to be able to penetrate their defense line and get a goal, personally I was impressed by the performance Manchester united did performed yesterday but then I'm not convinced yet until they will be able to add consistency to it then I could be sure they can maintain such form over a long period and hope to probably make something out of the premier league this season.

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Everyone believed (you can check the poll) that City will win this season as well, and don't get me wrong they still do have a chance to win the league that's true but they are getting worse and worse.

The injured and missing players are making a huge huge difference, Gvardiol was a great transfer, Doku was just a future transfer and didn't really feel like he is a must get, but compared to that, Laporte who was there for a long time left, Ilkay left, Riyad wasn't playing much anyway but left, Cole Palmer left, Mendy left, De Bruyne injured, Doku now injured, they are really having trouble putting up a decent eleven on the field and that's making them lose way too many points where they shouldn't against teams they were expected to win.

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December 18, 2023, 01:01:48 PM

It is not a failure for Liverpool because Manchester united have increased their focus on improving their performance in the Premier League. After being eliminated from the Champions League, Erik ten hag was of course under a lot of pressure to improve Manchester united so they could get points in the matches they played. Yes, they managed to withstand the attacks carried out by liverpool and managed to secure a point at Anfield. Even though it's not a good record, Manchester united can avoid defeat in this match because if their defense is not strong, Liverpool can certainly score goal in this match, but Onana performed better in this match by not conceding.

How do you guys expected Manchester United to play well in Anfield when they couldn't protect their own house in Old Trafford against Bournemouth, I even expected Liverpool to deal with them seriously and get them on their kneels for coming to Anfield but it seems Liverpool wasn't that prepaid as I expected because I was more anticipating to see more than 2 goals in that match an 3 total goals but it is what it is, Klopp couldn't do what he did to Manchester City to Manchester United and now, they are back behind Arsenal which I'm very certain they wouldn't allow anybody to chance them again unless football do his thing.

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Unfortunately for Liverpool because last week they were able to lead the standing but they were not strong enough to maintain it. After watching the matches this week, I saw that many teams had swapped places with each other on the standing. Even in the lower teams, Everton is increasingly confident by winning consecutive match in the last 4 match which has kept them away from the relegation zone.

If not for the deducted points from Everton, I think with their current place in the table the substituted points, and this should place them behind West Ham nevertheless, they haven't given up because they are better than being lonely in the relegation zone but they should have done better in the match of the past week, they allowed cheap Burnley to beat them after flogging Chelsea in the earlier week. It is better for them to be at least not less than 15 place on the table.

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In fact, I want to say that the result of this match was unfair for Liverpool,

Well, there are 2 sides to this statment and both are true.

1. The match was unfair to Liverpool as they were the better team out of the two and dominated most proceedings. Meanwhile the truth remains that it was a poor performance from the Liverpool side; who could not defeat a Manchester United side that played nothing in the entire 90 minutes.

2. Also, Liverpool did not create notable chances to win the tie; the poor Manchester united side had the best chances to seal the game and steal the points; this is not a league winner performance from liverpool
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December 18, 2023, 01:23:20 PM

Everyone believed (you can check the poll) that City will win this season as well, and don't get me wrong they still do have a chance to win the league that's true but they are getting worse and worse.

The injured and missing players are making a huge huge difference, Gvardiol was a great transfer, Doku was just a future transfer and didn't really feel like he is a must get, but compared to that, Laporte who was there for a long time left, Ilkay left, Riyad wasn't playing much anyway but left, Cole Palmer left, Mendy left, De Bruyne injured, Doku now injured, they are really having trouble putting up a decent eleven on the field and that's making them lose way too many points where they shouldn't against teams they were expected to win.
Man City opportunity to defend the title this season is still quite open, because we know the difference in the standings is only 5 points behind Arsenal. Liverpool failed to return to the top after being held to a draw by Man United, and allowed the Gunners to take over their position temporarily. Regarding the situation faced by Pep Guardiola squad, I think City will recover quickly.

It cannot be denied that the absence of mainstay players in the main squad makes it difficult for Pep to carry out his strategy, some of the back up players are not yet capable enough to fill the positions left temporarily. Moreover, the departure of the old faces who won the treble winners last season is now starting to be felt, Pep must maintain the team spirit to be able to maintain its dominance this season.

I'm sure the competition will be tougher in the second half, and City will have to immediately dance their way out of their performance. Because I see Arsenal suppressing City dominance by beating them, and Liverpool forcing City to share points. That is why Pep must be more alert this season and must not think that Arsenal will lose their consistency again at the end of the season.

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What a pleasure to look at such quotes!

Manchester city 2.25

Arsenal 3.45

Liverpool 3.75

Aston Villa 15.00

Tottenham Hotspur 31.00

https://stake.com/sports/outright/soccer/england/premier-league/43600879-premier-league-23-24

In just three rounds, City's quotes fell from 1.1 to 2.25!  Shocked For a round-robin tournament, I think this is a record for how quickly bookmakers' opinions change.
I said back in the first quarter/third of the season that City had an anomalous calendar - at first all the easy games, then all the difficult ones, and the fact that at the beginning of the season they lost points even with outsiders is a sign that they could fail against strong competitors. And now this scenario has fully come true. Now (even though City are still favorites) these quotes seem adequate to me and I would call this a return to normality from being distorted.

An interesting nuance - after the previous round, Liverpool was in the lead, and Arsenal was behind, but the bookmakers quoted Arsenal as favorites over Liverpool. And literally within a round, the position of the teams became the way the bookmakers see it. Liverpool couldn't beat dead United (it's a pity that they couldn't) and probably destroyed a lot of bets from bettors who expected United's fall to continue. In fact, United's decline continued (33% is not what a team close to the top should score), but they took two important points from Liverpool.

I wonder if West Ham can beat United in the next round -> oust them from the European competition zone -> sack Ten Hag  Roll Eyes

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