MemoryDealers RogerVer scamming people again

[notblox1]

One new guy joined r/btc thinking it was place where he can find out more about Bitcoin and how to buy it,
but he got an answer from MemoryDealers (RogerVer) telling him to go and buy it on his BCH marketplace local.bitcoin.com
You can only buy or sell BCH there!

MemoryDealers (RogerVer) should never be trusted!

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/ijksed/where_can_i_buy_bitcoin/
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/ijksed/where_can_i_buy_bitcoin/g3ew0kp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Archived:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200831132812if_/https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/ijksed/where_can_i_buy_bitcoin/
https://web.archive.org/web/20200831132958/https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/ijksed/where_can_i_buy_bitcoin/g3ew0kp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[Little Mouse]

This is nothing new. I think everyone at least one people getting scammed by Roger. Newbies usually trust dotcom domain than any other extension. As long as Roger has access to bitcoin.com domain, you can expect it to be happened all the times. He is a fraud.

[AB de Royse777]

He wants everyone to read Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin. He is been doing it since the fork. Misleading newbies buying into his alt shit. There is a positive site though, the same person who were misguided by him at the first place later realize and identifies the real Bitcoin and Fs his S :-D

The most pathetic fact we are living with is - in a domain named Bitcoin.com he is shilling Bitcoin Cash.

[o_e_l_e_o]

The most surprising thing about all this is that the comments on the /r/btc subreddit calling Ver out for being a scammer have neither been downvoted in to oblivion nor deleted. Are even BCashers getting fed up of Ver's lying and manipulation? Do even BCashers wish that their mighty BCH overlord would just try to sell BCH as BCH, and let it stand on its own merits (ha!), rather than relying on fooling newbies who don't know any better to prop it up? (Although at its current all time low against the price of BTC at 0.023, maybe his lies are starting to lose their effectiveness.)

The most pathetic fact we are living with is - in a domain named Bitcoin.com he is shilling Bitcoin Cash.

Of course he is. As above, he knows fine well that BCH marketed* as BCH will appeal to nobody. His only trick is fooling people in to buying an altcoin thinking it is bitcoin.

*I say marketed because that is exactly what bitcoin.com does. Compare bitcoin.org - a hub of impartial information and resources - to bitcoin.com's "Buy bitcoin" banners, branded casino games, branded wallet, branded exchange, etc. The whole thing is ran as a business to make Ver money, which is exactly what it is.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

He wants everyone to read Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin. He is been doing it since the fork.

Yeah, and that's why those not in the know are confused about this shit.

By the way, I actually tried buying BCH on local.bitcoin.com just for the hell of it a few months ago and I got scammed for about $40 if I remember correctly.  The site is so user-unfriendly that I didn't realize exactly how I was supposed to do transactions and thus the first offer I saw was from a scammer and I fell for it.  I almost started up a thread in the Scam Accusations section, but I figured it wouldn't do any good since it was off-forum and I don't know how many people actually use that shitty website.

I have a visceral dislike of Roger Ver, which is a result of every video I've heard him speak on.  It's unfortunate that crazed morons like him get wealthy.  Sometimes I think it's only the sociopaths and others with serious personality disorders who make fortunes--and that's probably why I respect Warren Buffett so much.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

When I was a noob back in 2014 I admired him, I kept my entire stash on blockchain.info (it was .info at the time).
I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him since he started all the nonsense surrounding the fork & I wouldn’t store a single sat on any wallet he owns.

[nutildah]

r/btc

This is the worst part of the whole thing... the subreddit is literally named "r/btc" but here you have Ver specifically directing someone to buy BCH... If anybody else did this, they would also be labeled a scammer.

[notblox1]

The most surprising thing about all this is that the comments on the /r/btc subreddit calling Ver out for being a scammer have neither been downvoted in to oblivion nor deleted. Are even BCashers getting fed up of Ver's lying and manipulation?

They are falling apart now, and I hear Amaury Sechet is creating his own vision of bch  

By the way, I actually tried buying BCH on local.bitcoin.com just for the hell of it a few months ago and I got scammed for about $40 if I remember correctly.

I also registered some time ago, but never did any trades, and I agree it is very user-unfriendly website.

This is the worst part of the whole thing... the subreddit is literally named "r/btc" but here you have Ver specifically directing someone to buy BCH... If anybody else did this, they would also be labeled a scammer.

That is probably the reason why this newbie Jimmy_Polka joined that r/btc not knowing it is in fact r/bch
Deception again from Roger.

[Steamtyme]

Not surprised... Fuck'em.

I had a chance last year to voice my displeasure with him and his tactics. Clearly nothing ever rings through his thick skull. He knows he's right and everyone else is wrong. He knows his coin is pure, so why listen to the peons who disagree. He knows he is the only one that can usher in the prosperity BTC Bitcoin can bring, so why  lose his resolve when challenged.

This was the final thing i said to him I believe. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184848.msg52474246#msg52474246

I don't care that you have an altcoin, I don't care that you want to piggyback off the Bitcoin (BTC) BTC name, but stop trying to force your will upon the world 1 newbie at a time, and own your project for what it is.

Still clearly incapable of owning his project for what it is.

[AB de Royse777]

r/btc

This is the worst part of the whole thing... the subreddit is literally named "r/btc" but here you have Ver specifically directing someone to buy BCH... If anybody else did this, they would also be labeled a scammer.

subreddit r/btc
domain bitcoin.com
What else he has under the image of Bitcoin? Can anyone help to find them please.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I wouldn’t store a single sat on any wallet he owns.

I obviously agree, but nobody should own your wallet, period. If your wallet is closed source then it is effectively owned by the developers who can do anything they like with it. When that developer is a known scammer like Ver, then that's a recipe for disaster.

What else he has under the image of Bitcoin? Can anyone help to find them please.

Someone close to him used to use the @bitcoin twitter handle to shill BCash, but that changed hands not too long ago. He also has his finger in many anti-bitcoin companies, like blockchain.com and BitPay.

To be fair, not all BCH supporters are also Ver fans, few of them genuinely believe increasing block size is best solution rather than off-chain solution

They are currently failing (or perhaps just grossly outnumbered) to make themselves seen or heard over the cult of personality BCash has always been.

[cheezcarls]

I’ve met and talked with Roger Ver twice in separate blockchain conferences (Token News Conference 2018 and Blockchain Life 2019). He even gave me $10 worth of BCH that time in the Bitcoin Cash wallet. During that time, it was just the end of the hash wars between BCH and BSV. I don’t pick any of their sides by the way, because Bitcoin is the real Bitcoin (not BCH or BSV by faketoshi Wright).

I have to be honest with you guys. There was a time that my colleague got an offer from Roger Ver to become a global ambassador in making BCH a payment method for merchants. My colleague wants me to apply for that position instead of her, but when I heard that there was no retainer fee (but only commission), I decided to pass because I thought Roger Ver does have big budget to pay for our services.

If I did accept the offer, I would have wasted a lot of time not getting paid by Ver.  

[AB de Royse777]

What else he has under the image of Bitcoin? Can anyone help to find them please.

Someone close to him used to use the @bitcoin twitter handle to shill BCash, but that changed hands not too long ago. He also has his finger in many anti-bitcoin companies, like blockchain.com and BitPay.

Yes I remember Adam Back. Tahnks for this @Bitcoin handle too.

I do not care about other brands like blockchain.com or Btpay and who are behind them, but I am only thinking about to do something to protect the brand image of Bitcoin where those attentions' seeker are using the brand of something else to their own business.

Roger Ver is clearly using the Brand image of Bitcoin in his own ALTcoin.
Bitcoin.com to shill BCH
r/btc to shill BCH

As a community how long we will accept that? Can we not group together and make a petition about it? Once we have enough support then we can report it to reddit and namecheap. Thoughts?

PS: For the first time I visited https://www.facebook.com/bitcoin, I hope it's in control of a right person.

[M-BTC]

The fact that Roger thinks that 'electronic cash' means something you have to buy coffee with clearly shows that he doesn't understand what Bitcoin truly is.

[AB de Royse777]

The fact that Roger thinks that 'electronic cash' means something you have to buy coffee with clearly shows that he doesn't understand what Bitcoin truly is.

Who care what he thinks about his ATL to buy and sell or any other use case. I only care him not to use the brand image of Bitcoin with his shit ALT.

r/btc stop using it for BCH
Bitcoin.com stop using it for BCH

[mda]

BCH is all right, at least they don't have crazy BTC transaction fees but increased block size has been a mistake leading to centralization. I think only Roger Ver and Jihan Wu would be able to implement this and to bury Blockstream and their Lightning Network in the process:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5109561

[notblox1]

BCH is all right, at least they don't have crazy BTC transaction fees but increased block size has been a mistake leading to centralization. I think only Roger Ver and Jihan Wu would be able to implement this and to bury Blockstream and their Lightning Network in the process:

Roger Ver and Jihan Wu can only bury they own shit in the ground and expect stinky flowers to grow up in future.
Go shill them and their shit somewhere else.

[marlboroza]

Good old Ver, never disappoints you

I almost started up a thread in the Scam Accusations section, but I figured it wouldn't do any good since it was off-forum and I don't know how many people actually use that shitty website.

That's what forums are for, it might help someone.

Go shill them and their shit somewhere else.

Well, that's quite ironic, my registration being 6 years older than yours.

Being "older" than someone doesn't make you smarter than someone, you know...

[mda]

Go shill them and their shit somewhere else.

Well, that's quite ironic, my registration being 6 years older than yours. Maybe even older than you.

[suchmoon]

Well, that's quite ironic, my registration being 6 years older than yours. Maybe even older than you.

What does that have to do with shilling a blatant scam?

[notblox1]

Well, that's quite ironic, my registration being 6 years older than yours. Maybe even older than you.

Wow. 6 years older and total 141 posts writing shit.
Expert 100% like his idol Roger  

The fees aren't a problem but the lack of block space is. I have proposed a way to scale the bitcoin network on chain https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2381234.0 , so far the development team is afraid to make radical moves. Meanwhile BCH and co. slowly but surely creep up https://coinmarketcap.com .

[AB de Royse777]

Rumour says, Ver has this record of paying shills to speak up for his shitcoin.

[JollyGood]

That issue with newbies being confused because of the .com and .org domains will always be problematic especially now since Ver has his exchange there.

This is nothing new. I think everyone at least one people getting scammed by Roger. Newbies usually trust dotcom domain than any other extension. As long as Roger has access to bitcoin.com domain, you can expect it to be happened all the times. He is a fraud.

[mindrust]

If Roger was selling copper coins that are being advertised as gold coins, he would be in jail (again).

(Scamming people with fake gold coins is a serious crime)

Then how can he get away with this?

Because in the world of crypto, nothing is official. In the world of Roger and his followers, BCH is the real bitcoin...

That's also the reason why bitcoin will be never recognized officially as a currency by many countries and will be seen as play money. If the governments start to acknowledge bitcoin, then they would be taking sides in this war. Some countries may find Roger's offers more appealing and they may decide to acknowledge BCH as the real bitcoin too and that wouldl create a mess.

Nobody can pull that kind of retarded shit on Gold or Silver thankfully

[suchmoon]

Because in the world of crypto, nothing is official. In the world of Roger and his followers, BCH is the real bitcoin...

That's also the reason why bitcoin will be never recognized officially as a currency by many countries and will be seen as play money. If the governments start to acknowledge bitcoin, then they would be taking sides in this war. Some countries may find Roger's offers more appealing and they may decide to acknowledge BCH as the real bitcoin too and that wouldl create a mess.

Nobody can pull that kind of retarded shit on Gold or Silver thankfully

Quite the opposite. You can't verify gold or silver on the blockchain. It takes a few seconds to verify that Roger Jesus Ver is full of shit.

[mindrust]

Quite the opposite. You can't verify gold or silver on the blockchain. It takes a few seconds to verify that Roger Jesus Ver is full of shit.

You don't need a blockchain to identify gold or silver.

It takes a few seconds to verify that Roger Jesus Ver is full of shit.

According to which authority? You?

Nobody can punish him for what he is doing. Crypto is a free scam pass.

That's what would happen if he was selling fake gold:
Man arrested for selling fake gold bars now behind real jail bars

[suchmoon]

According to which authority? You?

According to the blockchain. If he says he sent you 1 BTC you can see immediately that he's lying using just e.g. your phone. If he gives you a kilo of gold you probably wouldn't be able to tell if it's real or just a gold plated rock using just your phone.

Man arrested for selling fake gold bars now behind real jail bars

The point is that you don't need authorities to put someone in jail if that someone can't pass you fake bitcoins. Isn't that the whole point of the blockchain, be your own bank?

[mindrust]

According to which authority? You?

According to the blockchain. If he says he sent you 1 BTC you can see immediately that he's lying using just e.g. your phone. If he gives you a kilo of gold you probably wouldn't be able to tell if it's real or just a gold plated rock using just your phone.

That's how you identify gold:
Acid Test Kit Gold 10K 14K 18K 22K Silver Platinum Testing Stone Jewelers Tool

It is not really that hard. If somebody gives me  a kilo, I am pretty sure I can verify it by myself.

The point is that you don't need authorities to put someone in jail if that someone can't pass you fake bitcoins. Isn't that the whole point of the blockchain, be your own bank?

According to Roger's fanbase, these are not fake and there is nothing you can do to stop them from acting like the way they do.

I wonder how many times he sold bch as the real bitcoin to the newbies till now. With the media channels like the .com domain and r/btc he has, he will keep doing it for years. If the law enforcement cannot do anything about this, then it means he is allowed to scam. (because according to the law, he is not technically scamming anyone)

If his only connection to the world was his btt account here, our job would be easy but guess what... Outside of this forum, nobody cares what he does.

Bitcoin's best selling point and strength is also its biggest weakness.

[suchmoon]

It is not really that hard. If somebody gives me  a kilo, I am pretty sure I can verify it by myself.

Awesome, more people like you would mean less need to rely on the government to jail sellers of fake gold. The great thing about bitcoin is that you don't need to carry bottles of acid to verify transactions.

The point is that you don't need authorities to put someone in jail if that someone can't pass you fake bitcoins. Isn't that the whole point of the blockchain, be your own bank?

According to Roger's fanbase, these are not fake and there is nothing you can do to stop them from acting like the way they do.

I wonder how many times he sold bch as the real bitcoin to the newbies till now. With the media channels like the .com domain and r/btc he has, he will keep doing it for years. If the law enforcement cannot do anything about this, then it means he is allowed to scam. (because according to the law, he is not technically scamming anyone)

My point is that it's trivial to avoid scammers like Ver, at least for people who care enough to educate themselves about it, and you don't need chemistry or government to do that. Prevention always trumps police/arrest/court/jail.

However if someone actually got sold BCH as BTC they should definitely sue Ver.

[JollyGood]

Well the war is over, it was over a long time ago maybe just as it started it ended because apart from a short-lived flourish the price of BCH declined and is never going to replace Bitcoin.

Instead of taking sides those that remain neutral will simply see Bitcoin as Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin Cash - two different options for transactions as well as thousands of alts and tokens out there but I like the way you mentioned nobody can pull this sort of thing on gold or silver 

If Roger was selling copper coins that are being advertised as gold coins, he would be in jail (again).

(Scamming people with fake gold coins is a serious crime)

Then how can he get away with this?

Because in the world of crypto, nothing is official. In the world of Roger and his followers, BCH is the real bitcoin...

That's also the reason why bitcoin will be never recognized officially as a currency by many countries and will be seen as play money. If the governments start to acknowledge bitcoin, then they would be taking sides in this war. Some countries may find Roger's offers more appealing and they may decide to acknowledge BCH as the real bitcoin too and that wouldl create a mess.

Nobody can pull that kind of retarded shit on Gold or Silver thankfully

[mindrust]

However if someone actually got sold BCH as BTC they should definitely sue Ver.

Why would anybody sue Ver, spend their precious time and money even though they already know that Ver's going to dodge it like a pro?

It doesn't make sense at all.

What you don't understand is, Ver has created an alternate universe. In that universe he is still the Bitcoin Jesus and his product BCH is the real bitcoin and anybody who doesn't believe that are infidels. And there are many people knowingly or not-knowingly pushing this.

In our universe, BTC is the real shit.

In the end there will never ever be a central authority that'll decide who is right in this and there shouldn't be.

Actually I am glad they doing this because it is the only way to test bitcoin's strength. So far, I did't like what I see. It turns out if you acquire enough media power you can re-write the history and create your own cult and it is impossible to get punished for doing this.

No media power in the world is enough to brainwash countries as whole and make them believe that copper is the real gold. If a person genuiely starts to believe that his copper is gold and try to peddle them to people, it is jail time for him. Again, it won't work like this with crypto.

Most people are too stupid to make their own research and they may believe whatever Roger says. These people need help from the central authority that'll teach them what's right and what's wrong.

Well the war is over, it was over a long time ago

He already have won. He has a lot of coins on both chains. His coin is listed on many major exchanges and he has many strong media channels to support his narrative.

[o_e_l_e_o]

In the end there will never ever be a central authority that'll decide who is right in this and there shouldn't be.

I agree there shouldn't be, but there also doesn't need to be. The community have decided:

BCH's price is currently 2.4% of bitcoin's price.
BCH's hashrate is currently 2.2% of bitcoin's hashrate.
BCH's daily transaction value in terms of USD is <1% of bitcoin's.

His coin is listed on many major exchanges and he has many strong media channels to support his narrative.

A lot of shitcoins are listed on a lot of major exchanges, and the majority of the media channels which support him are owned by him. Much like CSW, he has enough wealth to bankroll his own superiority complex, but that does not mean anything he says is true.

[notblox1]

It is funny how Roger is using word fork only when he wants.
When he forked Bitcoin to BCash he refused to call it a fork, but said Bcash is the real Bitcoin.
Now when people are forking his Bcash, he is calling it a fork and free airdrop:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1300908197113458688

People will decide what is real Bitcoin and what is real Bcash Roger, not you.

[o_e_l_e_o]

It is funny how Roger is using word fork only when he wants.

His post on Reddit is so close to being self aware:

ABC has minority hash rate.
ABC has minority price on the futures markets.
ABC is the one making a MAJOR change.
ABC is the one forking away.

Just replace ABC with BCash.

[suchmoon]

What you don't understand is, Ver has created an alternate universe. In that universe he is still the Bitcoin Jesus and his product BCH is the real bitcoin and anybody who doesn't believe that are infidels. And there are many people knowingly or not-knowingly pushing this.

His universe is tiny and getting smaller so it appears to be working as intended. Forks are part of the blockchain concept, even scammy ones sadly. There is a bunch of them, and arguably most shitcoins are forks one way or another.

[JollyGood]

In that case you are right, he has his doppelgänger coin listed on many exchanges and he has various media outlets trying to support his narrative so in that case yes he may have won but Bitcoin Cash will never replace Bitcoin.

Well the war is over, it was over a long time ago

He already have won. He has a lot of coins on both chains. His coin is listed on many major exchanges and he has many strong media channels to support his narrative.

[stompix]

People will decide what is real Bitcoin and what is real Bcash Roger, not you.

According to Coin.Dance, BCHN’s 126 nodes represent exactly 10% of the Bitcoin Cash network’s 1,260 total nodes, while Bitcoin ABC represents 42% of the network with 533.
However, the Bitcoin Unlimited (BU) implementation (that expands on the Bitcoin XT protocol) is also opposed to the coinbase rule and currently has the largest single share with 565 nodes or 44%. If it throws its lot in with BCHN, that would result in a slim majority of 54% of BCHN nodes rejecting the November upgrade — and potentially retaining the Bitcoin Cash brand.

While I was reading this paragraph I was making a mental note to not even try to understand who is who and what in this  , I have a feeling you won't find a soul who would get a pass during the rapture there. They've lost satoshi's true vision, lol, now they are fighting for whatever is left there, a coin that has nothing other than the name of bitcoin in it.

Too bad this jump in price helped also these shitcoins survive, I can't wait for karma to make it's move, payback for the fee attack in 2018, pretty soon just 1% of BTC hash rate would be able to send this crap to where it belongs.

[notblox1]

HACKED

I don't know if anyone notice but Tim Draper twitter account was hacked and started shilling Bcash crap.
It would not be impossible that Roger paid someone to hack him for temporary pump of BCash.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/was-tim-drapers-support-of-bch-the-result-of-a-hack
 

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I don't know if anyone notice but Tim Draper twitter account was hacked and started shilling Bcash crap.
It would not be impossible that Roger paid someone to hack him for temporary pump of BCash.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/was-tim-drapers-support-of-bch-the-result-of-a-hack
 

This must be the effect of the twitter hack they had few weeks or months ago. The shameless BCash shill whoever it is that made the tweet. 🤪
Roger Ver must be paying bag of cash to pump his shitcoin!

[notblox1]

This must be the effect of the twitter hack they had few weeks or months ago. The shameless BCash shill whoever it is that made the tweet. 🤪
Roger Ver must be paying bag of cash to pump his shitcoin!

Sure he is.
Now that his developer Amaury Sechet left him to create his better Bcash coin, Roger became more active on this front.
Even if he didn't do it personally, someone from his circle did it for sure.

[JollyGood]

If it were as simple as Ver paying an army of shills then surely there would be lots of people posting pro-BCH propaganda but in reality are there many fake accounts or many paid shills promoting BCH on social media?