Thread starter deleted my post because project can't prove their legitimacy?

[cheezcarls]

This is the bounty thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5272589.0

Website: https://bfine.io
Whitepaper: none (just Powerpoint presentation)

I am trying to make some valid demands here to make sure that their IEO (P2PB2B) and bounty program are legit and worth of our time. But it looks like that instead of confronting me professionally, he deleted it instead because he can't simply prove any legitimacy or responding to my demands such as revealing the team members and their verified LinkedIn accounts, no whitepaper, no escrow, etc.

Here's my deleted post:



It would consider it respectful if he did replied to my demands rather than deleting it. As I've checked his post history, he was just an occasional poster. I think he was just hired to create the bounty thread and the ANN thread of Winsshi, in which he didn't reply to the customers' queries (or maybe later). Maybe he's working with them, and I think the BFine team just tasked him to delete my response.

If the participants get really paid for their efforts, then good for them. Because they have no reputation yet, so escrow can make them prove that they are for real. It's just that we need some sort of transparency like escrow, team, ANN, etc. I wouldn't promote any IEO without proving how legitimate they are.

And I just also find out that they are using a possible MLM scheme because of the "binary commission" term: https://bfine.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001714875-Binary-commission-will-be-paid-at-4-AM-UTC-on-13th-August-2020

They had a statement like:

"Please note that binary commission maximum of income of 300% and after reaching the maximum binary income, you need to reinvest to continue to earn a binary commission."

I smell potential ponzi here. Hmmm......

Unfortunately when registering an account, it needs an invitation code. Just trying to make my points here. Any thoughts?

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[Steamtyme]

There's not much you can do about it. Feel free to leave them negative feedback if you feel that they're refusal to answer questions to validate their legitimacy, should give pause to people engaging in business or trade wit them.

When i would patrol the Marketplace I would put a warning similar to this in Self-modded sales topics.

"If deleted without responses I will leave negative feedback to warn users."

[cheezcarls]

There's not much you can do about it. Feel free to leave them negative feedback if you feel that they're refusal to answer questions to validate their legitimacy, should give pause to people engaging in business or trade wit them.

When i would patrol the Marketplace I would put a warning similar to this in Self-modded sales topics.

"If deleted without responses I will leave negative feedback to warn users."

I won't leave a negative feedback or tag to the thread starter because I believe he was just hired by the company to manage it. So he was just following orders. Correct me if I'm wrong later.

I just created this thread to make awareness about getting my post deleted by the thread starter (tasked by the company) without even confronting me in a nice and professional way. It's all about respecting the opinions of others, but it seems that the company he's working with ain't professionals at all in response to negative opinions or criticisms. Just saying.

[Rikafip]

I just created this thread to make awareness about getting my post deleted by the thread starter (tasked by the company) without even confronting me in a nice and professional way. It's all about respecting the opinions of others, but it seems that the company he's working with ain't professionals at all in response to negative opinions or criticisms. Just saying.

Just looking at your deleted posts, those are all legit concerns you raised, and I must say that is really suspicious, that they just  deleted it without giving any explanation.

I won't leave a negative feedback or tag to the thread starter because I believe he was just hired by the company to manage it. So he was just following orders. Correct me if I'm wrong later.

It is true that he is probably just hired to make their ANN thread, but he still has  responsibility towards bitcointalk members, not just the company that hired him so he shouldn't just delete legit questions, no matter what bfine tells him to do. That is, if he cares about his reputation here.


Beside lack of any info what they are all about, they also have weird promotion that looks like something ponzi scheme would do, giving away cars, motorcycle and Macboocks  etc.


https://archive.fo/NVRad

You should see their Telegram group,. Its been shilled by sock puppet accounts writing nonsense, giving illusion of some activity there.
https://t.me/Bfineofficialgroup

[Steamtyme]

I won't leave a negative feedback or tag to the thread starter because I believe he was just hired by the company to manage it. So he was just following orders. Correct me if I'm wrong later.

I would repost your comment with the warning about feedback.

They chose to represent this company on the forum and it's their responsibility to vet them before they become the "face" of the company here. If nothing else maybe they realize it's a scam (if it is) and then don't help promote it or waste peoples time advertising for it. Either way your choice.

[Little Mouse]

I won't leave a negative feedback or tag to the thread starter because I believe he was just hired by the company to manage it. So he was just following orders. Correct me if I'm wrong later.

I would repost your comment with the warning about feedback.

If the project is not legit, I think you should tag the thread starter until they delete the thread, he is directly helping scammer to scam bitcointalk users. I have been tagged by lovesmayfamily for posting ANN of a project, I was hired by them. Because the project was scam, lovesmayfamily has tagged me and showed me the project was scam. I had deleted the thread. I think that's how it should be.

[AB de Royse777]

All I am seeing is bounches of newbies are posting, "Yes sir", "Good project" in the thread. If anyone do some homework and make a summary then I am sure the summary will be for a red tag. I will be happy to tag.

[Jawhead999]

I'm confused which is the right name of the token, it's BRI or BFI Creating self moderated thread and deleting a good question about legitimacy of his project, he's showing a suspicious behavior.

I already tagged the user to warn any members, let's see if they can answer your question.

[cheezcarls]

I'm confused which is the right name of the token, it's BRI or BFI Creating self moderated thread and deleting a good question about legitimacy of his project, he's showing a suspicious behavior.

I already tagged the user to warn any members, let's see if they can answer your question.

Okay so I'm now convinced to tag him until he can prove about BFine.io's legitimacy. I wouldn't mind removing the tag if I'm fully convinced with all of the answers I'm looking for. Thanks for tagging him too.

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Okay so I'm now convinced to tag him until he can prove about BFine.io's legitimacy. I wouldn't mind removing the tag if I'm fully convinced with all of the answers I'm looking for. Thanks for tagging him too.

to me, this seems very suspicious and honestly, I don’t even have much patience for things like this. OP, I support you here and tagged this user. Now because I am DT2, a red tag is more visible and maybe this user will react to this. Maybe you can send them through PM link to this topic, just to be sure that he is informed.

I will withdraw my feedback if there is a reasonable explanation.

[JeromeTash]

I have added my negative feedback to the thread starter. What he portrayed was nothing short of a scam promoter. Deleting questions and concerns from anyone who tries to inquire about the legitimacy of the project means that they are trying to hide something and therefore are not to be trusted.
I hope genuine newbies don't fall for the suspicious project and bounty.

[Rikafip]

Okay so I'm now convinced to tag him until he can prove about BFine.io's legitimacy. I wouldn't mind removing the tag if I'm fully convinced with all of the answers I'm looking for. Thanks for tagging him too.

Maybe you should write the same post again, to see what will happen this time? Hopefully he comes to his senses are realise that it's not worth it to throw way an account over some dodgy project so he lets those questions stay, or answers to some of them. And if proven scam, to delete the content of the thread and stop the bounty.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It is true that he is probably just hired to make their ANN thread, but he still has  responsibility towards bitcointalk members, not just the company that hired him so he shouldn't just delete legit questions, no matter what bfine tells him to do. That is, if he cares about his reputation here.

Plus he's effectively the face of that project on bitcointalk, and a neg on him is one that members will definitely see. 

I think cheezcarls had some legitimate concerns that shouldn't have been deleted, and it's a big red flag in my mind that they were.

All I am seeing is bounches of newbies are posting, "Yes sir", "Good project" in the thread.

Of course, that's standard practice for ANN & bounty threads, right?  That's a separate issue altogether, though.

"Please note that binary commission maximum of income of 300% and after reaching the maximum binary income, you need to reinvest to continue to earn a binary commission."

That sounds like a load of mumbo-jumbo to me, and it's probably designed to obfuscate the real meaning, within which lies the method that they're going to scam you.  I could be wrong, but if anyone can explain what the above statement means, I'm all ears.

I smell potential ponzi here. Hmmm......

Me too.  And I learned from the ICO days that projects like these should be considered scams until they're proven otherwise.

[cabron]

Cheezcarls is asking pretty basic that we normally ask here in the forum. If these questions are already ignored by the team right when they needed the marketing the most while they are just starting,  what more will they avoid from the investors later on?

For not answering questions, now he's been tagged. P2PB2B exchange is full of scam projects, its best that people will thoroughly be watchful to the projects in this exchange.

[cheezcarls]

Okay so I'm now convinced to tag him until he can prove about BFine.io's legitimacy. I wouldn't mind removing the tag if I'm fully convinced with all of the answers I'm looking for. Thanks for tagging him too.

Maybe you should write the same post again, to see what will happen this time? Hopefully he comes to his senses are realise that it's not worth it to throw way an account over some dodgy project so he lets those questions stay, or answers to some of them. And if proven scam, to delete the content of the thread and stop the bounty.

For now, I would like to see how he react when his account already received negative tags (and maybe more when either me or someone reports a Scam Accusation with the full details of the incident later on). If he does, he may DM me or respond to this thread if he truly cared about his reputation here on Bitcointalk. If he doesn't care about his reputation at all (but cares more about his job and getting paid working under a potential scammer), that's on him and he would pay the big price later on once they are going to perform an exit scam soon.

Beside lack of any info what they are all about, they also have weird promotion that looks like something ponzi scheme would do, giving away cars, motorcycle and Macboocks  etc.

And these prizes are "too good to be true" from a potential scam company. Or should I say "scampany".

[coinism]

This is the bounty thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5272589.0

Website: https://bfine.io
Whitepaper: none (just Powerpoint presentation)

I am trying to make some valid demands here to make sure that their IEO (P2PB2B) and bounty program are legit and worth of our time. But it looks like that instead of confronting me professionally, he deleted it instead because he can't simply prove any legitimacy or responding to my demands such as revealing the team members and their verified LinkedIn accounts, no whitepaper, no escrow, etc.

Here's my deleted post:



It would consider it respectful if he did replied to my demands rather than deleting it. As I've checked his post history, he was just an occasional poster. I think he was just hired to create the bounty thread and the ANN thread of Winsshi, in which he didn't reply to the customers' queries (or maybe later). Maybe he's working with them, and I think the BFine team just tasked him to delete my response.

If the participants get really paid for their efforts, then good for them. Because they have no reputation yet, so escrow can make them prove that they are for real. It's just that we need some sort of transparency like escrow, team, ANN, etc. I wouldn't promote any IEO without proving how legitimate they are.

And I just also find out that they are using a possible MLM scheme because of the "binary commission" term: https://bfine.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001714875-Binary-commission-will-be-paid-at-4-AM-UTC-on-13th-August-2020

They had a statement like:

"Please note that binary commission maximum of income of 300% and after reaching the maximum binary income, you need to reinvest to continue to earn a binary commission."

I smell potential ponzi here. Hmmm......

Unfortunately when registering an account, it needs an invitation code. Just trying to make my points here. Any thoughts?

Dear cheezcarls.

I am sorry for deleting your comment on Bfine thread. It was a bounty thread where we were asking for videos regarding project. I deleted post just coz I thought it was not related to bounty. I shouldnt have done that.
Your question are legitimate. The project is in its initials stages and whitepaper is in progress, it will be updated on site soon. It's better to wait rather place a copied whitepaper on site. I have conveyed message to owner regarding placing team members profile on site.
Feel free to ask for anyother question you have here or on thread.
Regards

[cheezcarls]

This is the bounty thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5272589.0

Website: https://bfine.io
Whitepaper: none (just Powerpoint presentation)

I am trying to make some valid demands here to make sure that their IEO (P2PB2B) and bounty program are legit and worth of our time. But it looks like that instead of confronting me professionally, he deleted it instead because he can't simply prove any legitimacy or responding to my demands such as revealing the team members and their verified LinkedIn accounts, no whitepaper, no escrow, etc.

Here's my deleted post:



It would consider it respectful if he did replied to my demands rather than deleting it. As I've checked his post history, he was just an occasional poster. I think he was just hired to create the bounty thread and the ANN thread of Winsshi, in which he didn't reply to the customers' queries (or maybe later). Maybe he's working with them, and I think the BFine team just tasked him to delete my response.

If the participants get really paid for their efforts, then good for them. Because they have no reputation yet, so escrow can make them prove that they are for real. It's just that we need some sort of transparency like escrow, team, ANN, etc. I wouldn't promote any IEO without proving how legitimate they are.

And I just also find out that they are using a possible MLM scheme because of the "binary commission" term: https://bfine.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001714875-Binary-commission-will-be-paid-at-4-AM-UTC-on-13th-August-2020

They had a statement like:

"Please note that binary commission maximum of income of 300% and after reaching the maximum binary income, you need to reinvest to continue to earn a binary commission."

I smell potential ponzi here. Hmmm......

Unfortunately when registering an account, it needs an invitation code. Just trying to make my points here. Any thoughts?

Dear cheezcarls.

I am sorry for deleting your comment on Bfine thread. It was a bounty thread where we were asking for videos regarding project. I deleted post just coz I thought it was not related to bounty. I shouldnt have done that.
Your question are legitimate. The project is in its initials stages and whitepaper is in progress, it will be updated on site soon. It's better to wait rather place a copied whitepaper on site. I have conveyed message to owner regarding placing team members profile on site.
Feel free to ask for anyother question you have here or on thread.
Regards

So you're the one deleting my comment by yourself? Or the BFine team members asked you to do so?

I don't care if it's a bounty thread or not, my questions are still valid because it still focuses on the project and bounty program is just a part of that. This is to ensure that no investor or bounty hunter (especially newbies) gets scammed.

I don't find your reason in deleting my post without explanation as a valid excuse. You should haven't done that in the first place.

And I'm not convinced with your claims just yet, so don't expect that I'll remove my tag anytime soon. About your claims regarding the team members, whitepaper, etc., we will see then.

[coinism]

 

So you're the one deleting my comment by yourself? Or the BFine team members asked you to do so?

I did it myself.

I don't find your reason in deleting my post without explanation as a valid excuse. You should haven't done that in the first place

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I admit my mistake

And I'm not convinced with your claims just yet, so don't expect that I'll remove my tag anytime soon. About your claims regarding the team members, whitepaper, etc., we will see then.

I forwarded what bfine team told me. Let me know what else you need to know.

[Rikafip]

Let me know what else you need to know.

Can you ask the team are they serious about sending cars and motorcycles all over the world as a part of the giveaway ( and not just one, from i can see they plan to send several of each) and how exactly they plan to do that?

I've only seen offers like that in straightforward ponzi schemes, never in legit crypto project. Do you really believe them that they will actually do it that, or what is more likely that its just marketing trick to attract more people?

[coinism]

Let me know what else you need to know.

Can you ask the team are they serious about sending cars and motorcycles all over the world as a part of the giveaway ( and not just one, from i can see they plan to send several of each) and how exactly they plan to do that?

I've only seen offers like that in straightforward ponzi schemes, never in legit crypto project. Do you really believe them that they will actually do it that, or what is more likely that its just marketing trick to attract more people?

This is just a bounty thread n reward will be 20 to 30 usdt per video

[cheezcarls]

Let me know what else you need to know.

Can you ask the team are they serious about sending cars and motorcycles all over the world as a part of the giveaway ( and not just one, from i can see they plan to send several of each) and how exactly they plan to do that?

I've only seen offers like that in straightforward ponzi schemes, never in legit crypto project. Do you really believe them that they will actually do it that, or what is more likely that its just marketing trick to attract more people?

This is just a bounty thread n reward will be 20 to 30 usdt per video

You're completely avoiding @Rikafip's question and replied with a different answer that we're not expecting. You seem to be dodgy by taking a U-Turn. What are you and BFine trying to hide?

Why can't you answer his question straight to the point? This is why I'm still having doubts on you and the project.

[Rikafip]

This is just a bounty thread n reward will be 20 to 30 usdt per video

I know that you just made their bounty thread, but by doing that you are actively promoting them, and with that  comes some responsibility.

As I said before, claiming to give cars, laptops and motorcycles is a big red flag that makes bfine looks like a ponzi scheme, as only those will offer you something like the that. I'm telling you this for  your own sake, as if this proves to be a scam, you can say goodbye to your reputation here, (tbh you are already halfway there) so it's really in your interest to do due diligence and ask the team about anything suspicious, and sending cars all over the world definitely is.

[JeromeTash]

Dear cheezcarls.

I am sorry for deleting your comment on Bfine thread. It was a bounty thread where we were asking for videos regarding project. I deleted post just coz I thought it was not related to bounty. I shouldnt have done that.
Your question are legitimate. The project is in its initials stages and whitepaper is in progress, it will be updated on site soon. It's better to wait rather place a copied whitepaper on site. I have conveyed message to owner regarding placing team members profile on site.
Feel free to ask for anyother question you have here or on thread.
Regards

I am someone flexible with feedback. It's on case by case basis. I would like you to address the concerns that were raised by @cheezcarls. Shouldn't be hard if the project is legitimate.

If the project is in its initial stages, they why the hurry to promote it? Shouldn't people invest their time and money in something they can read and understand clearly about from the whitepaper?

[holydarkness]

This is their ANN thread, and someone alre already pointed out that their WP is filled with plagiarism.

Rikafip, I see that the thread starter of this ann thread was someone you marked as ponzi schemer back in June. Given that not only same user moderating both ANN thread amd that they're promising similar rewards on both Tcapital and this project, I would strongly think both project was directed by one same person

[JeromeTash]

Coinism has been pestering me to remove the feedback i left him, but he hasn't done what was requested of him, so feedback stays.

@Rikafip, The link you used to leave negative feedback and create the flag against  another profile that made an Announcement of BFine project is wrong. Please check it out and correct it if possible; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2815749

[Rikafip]

This is their ANN thread, and someone alre already pointed out that their WP is filled with plagiarism.

Rikafip, I see that the thread starter of this ann thread was someone you marked as ponzi schemer back in June. Given that not only same user moderating both ANN thread amd that they're promising similar rewards on both Tcapital and this project, I would strongly think both project was directed by one same person

Yep, that could be the case, but honestly it doesn't make much sense to use @Cryptobull-in account for ANN as it has been both tagged and flagged, so that account is even more compromised than @coinism, that could save his account reputation if he removed that bounty thread. But then again, as you said both Tcapital and Bdefi are using  "marketing strategy", offering cars and other unrealistic rewards so I really doubt that's just a coincidence. Probably same people are behind those two projects, as scammers don't give up easily and usually come back with another attempt.

@Rikafip, The link you used to leave negative feedback and create the flag against  another profile that made an Announcement of BFine project is wrong. Please check it out and correct it if possible; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2815749

Thanks for letting me know. Link for flag is fine from what I can see, but reference link for trust feedback has been updated with the correct one.

Coinism has been pestering me to remove the feedback i left him, but he hasn't done what was requested of him, so feedback stays.

So he wants to have it all. Get the money and promote dodgy project while keeping his reputation clean. Well, it doesn't really work that way.

[cheezcarls]

This is their ANN thread, and someone alre already pointed out that their WP is filled with plagiarism.

Rikafip, I see that the thread starter of this ann thread was someone you marked as ponzi schemer back in June. Given that not only same user moderating both ANN thread amd that they're promising similar rewards on both Tcapital and this project, I would strongly think both project was directed by one same person

Yep, that could be the case, but honestly it doesn't make much sense to use @Cryptobull-in account for ANN as it has been both tagged and flagged, so that account is even more compromised than @coinism, that could save his account reputation if he removed that bounty thread. But then again, as you said both Tcapital and Bdefi are using  "marketing strategy", offering cars and other unrealistic rewards so I really doubt that's just a coincidence. Probably same people are behind those two projects, as scammers don't give up easily and usually come back with another attempt.

@Rikafip, The link you used to leave negative feedback and create the flag against  another profile that made an Announcement of BFine project is wrong. Please check it out and correct it if possible; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2815749

Thanks for letting me know. Link for flag is fine from what I can see, but reference link for trust feedback has been updated with the correct one.

Coinism has been pestering me to remove the feedback i left him, but he hasn't done what was requested of him, so feedback stays.

So he wants to have it all. Get the money and promote dodgy project while keeping his reputation clean. Well, it doesn't really work that way.

Same here with me. I don't have plans to remove my tag because coinism doesn't have enough balls to defend their plagiarism found in their whitepaper. If he is just here to get money for a scammy project rather than keeping his reputation clean. Even if he begs multiple times without me getting convinced of the answers I'm looking for, I won't remove it.

As of now, he is still answering replies from poor bounty participants and ignores our allegations against him, Cryptobull-in and BFine. If these bounty participants were indeed paid, then good for them but promoting a scam would hurt their reputation.

Reputation and integrity are much more expensive and valuable than our bank savings account.

[Rikafip]

If he is just here to get money for a scammy project rather than keeping his reputation clean. Even if he begs multiple times without me getting convinced of the answers I'm looking for, I won't remove it.

He obviously decided to sell and ruin his reputation for a few hundred dollars or whatever they at paying him to keep bounty campaign going on. Stupid decision, but it's his call.

If these bounty participants were indeed paid, then good for them but promoting a scam would hurt their reputation

Those that joined bounty campaign and made the videos for Bfinance are part of the problem to a they are actively and willingly promoting scam project. What's even worse they are doing that for a few dozens of dollars. They should be contacted to remove YouTube video from their channels. Based on the spreadsheet, 11 of them made video up until now.

[examplens]

If he is just here to get money for a scammy project rather than keeping his reputation clean. Even if he begs multiple times without me getting convinced of the answers I'm looking for, I won't remove it.

He obviously decided to sell and ruin his reputation for a few hundred dollars or whatever they at paying him to keep bounty campaign going on. Stupid decision, but it's his call.

If these bounty participants were indeed paid, then good for them but promoting a scam would hurt their reputation

Those that joined bounty campaign and made the videos for Bfinance are part of the problem to a they are actively and willingly promoting scam project. What's even worse they are doing that for a few dozens of dollars. They should be contacted to remove YouTube video from their channels. Based on the spreadsheet, 11 of them made video up until now.

Whatever, all bounty participants was warned. so there should be no complaints here for non-payment or payment in worthless tokens. I really don't know what to say to these bounty hunters, why participate in it when they will get nothing or some trash...

also, I will not delete my feedback here.