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i've been doing a lot of reading about DeFi's lately, but i can't seem to wrap my head around rewards and where do they come from? at first i thought that rewards are given just like in proof of work coins, like btc so basically, if one stake a coin, he'll be getting rewards for helping the network, meaning from the blockrewards and transactions fees.

but i then came across some new coins like Swipe, which i'm confident that it does not generate that much in transaction fees, and yet the rewards are high? the coins in question are: Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0.

i would appreciate any explanation. thank you
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the coins in question are: Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0.
Tezos is a good altcoin to stake and it's been on different exchanges and added that feature of staking for Tezos. Even ledger wallet which is one of the most known hardware wallet has also added the feature.
Ethereum 2.0 isn't yet there but soon it will.



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September 08, 2020, 01:06:09 AM
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but i then came across some new coins like Swipe, which i'm confident that it does not generate that much in transaction fees, and yet the rewards are high?

Let me explain in simple terms. When it comes to rewards, POS is like POW but you just need to hold your coins in a wallet that can stake. In general, the rewards doesn't necessarily comes from transaction fees alone, rewards can also include new coins that is mined from staking and is added to the circulating supply. Though reward distribution method varies from different projects.

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September 08, 2020, 01:56:38 AM
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but i then came across some new coins like Swipe, which i'm confident that it does not generate that much in transaction fees, and yet the rewards are high?

Let me explain in simple terms. When it comes to rewards, POS is like POW but you just need to hold your coins in a wallet that can stake. In general, the rewards doesn't necessarily comes from transaction fees alone, rewards can also include new coins that is mined from staking and is added to the circulating supply. Though reward distribution method varies from different projects.

Difference between POW is and POS coins are huge.  POW ypu need hardware (miners/gpus/cpus) to generate new blocks.  If you happen to hit a block you get the block reqard and tx fees, with POS coins you stake coins in your wallet and get block rewards based on your weight compared to the entire network weight.

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September 08, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
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Let me explain in simple terms. When it comes to rewards, POS is like POW but you just need to hold your coins in a wallet that can stake. In general, the rewards doesn't necessarily comes from transaction fees alone, rewards can also include new coins that is mined from staking and is added to the circulating supply. Though reward distribution method varies from different projects.

so aside from transaction fees and rewards from newly mined blocks, are there any other methods to generate these earnings? and do you happen to know what are the methods used in the projects i mentioned in my original post please?
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September 08, 2020, 04:35:28 PM
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i've been doing a lot of reading about DeFi's lately, but i can't seem to wrap my head around rewards and where do they come from? at first i thought that rewards are given just like in proof of work coins, like btc so basically, if one stake a coin, he'll be getting rewards for helping the network, meaning from the blockrewards and transactions fees.

but i then came across some new coins like Swipe, which i'm confident that it does not generate that much in transaction fees, and yet the rewards are high? the coins in question are: Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0.

i would appreciate any explanation. thank you

All these coins and their pos system is legit other than swipe as far as i know because they simply return you coins for locking the tokens and no actual security of nodes or transactions happen in that case like in other coins.

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i've been doing a lot of reading about DeFi's lately, but i can't seem to wrap my head around rewards and where do they come from? at first i thought that rewards are given just like in proof of work coins, like btc so basically, if one stake a coin, he'll be getting rewards for helping the network, meaning from the blockrewards and transactions fees.

but i then came across some new coins like Swipe, which i'm confident that it does not generate that much in transaction fees, and yet the rewards are high? the coins in question are: Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0.

i would appreciate any explanation. thank you

Personally i am not a fan of staking coins because it causes inflation in the system and mostly these coins have to face massive sellers who are there to take profit.
I think there is no need to lock coins in staking when you can make bigger and better profit by trading, flipping or even by holding.

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September 08, 2020, 05:00:37 PM
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i've been doing a lot of reading about DeFi's lately, but i can't seem to wrap my head around rewards and where do they come from? at first i thought that rewards are given just like in proof of work coins, like btc so basically, if one stake a coin, he'll be getting rewards for helping the network, meaning from the blockrewards and transactions fees.

but i then came across some new coins like Swipe, which i'm confident that it does not generate that much in transaction fees, and yet the rewards are high? the coins in question are: Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0.

i would appreciate any explanation. thank you


Any high % yield without clear explanation on how it's achived is suspicious as hell, borderline scam.
And many new defi's today use people's greed, offering high %. Those can probably be classified as ponzi's.

But we will see what happens and the bubble deflates. The ones left standing are the ones with something behind it

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Ethereum 2.0 is not yet launched and you can't even put ethereum in your list as it's still a POW coin that was running by the miners.

I personally prefer try to take cosmos as my main consideration and swipe should be on the second place after cosmos. This consider cosmos has offered a better annual yield for the stakers.

You must also consider how big the liquidity that owned by the coin. It's not about how much the annual yield that has already offered.

https://blog.chorus.one/cosmos-staking-reward-primer-reward-calculator/#:~:text=Staking%20means%20you%20are%20locking,a%20cut%20of%20the%20rewards.

It's better if you read the article above to know how cosmos was possible giving huge yield for the validators.

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If you are interested in pos and farming and stuff , I suggest you take a look at Bella , the new project coming to binance yield farming from 9 Sep , and you can farm in by staking BNB , Arpa or Busd , farming duration would be for 30 days and from 16 of Sep you can trade Bella in binance , It is a project with the cooperation of Arpa and I think it really worth it!
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September 09, 2020, 04:27:47 AM
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i've been doing a lot of reading about DeFi's lately, but i can't seem to wrap my head around rewards and where do they come from?

For most of them, the rewards come out of nowhere for doing nothing. You get about 5-10% per year and the coins lose about 40-60% of their value year by year. Not a good deal if you ask me.

There are yet no really good PoS coins, as PoS has not yet been tested in real large scale projects. The first attempt will be ethereum, but it is very late.

There is a very good FAQ about ethereum casper here:
https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/Proof-of-Stake-FAQ

It is important to notice that staking is a service. Similar to mine, where you put your processing power at stake, betting that those transactions are valid. If the transactions are invalid, you just lost your processing power as your chain will not be accepted.
The same thing goes with pos, as owners are literaterally staking their coins and "betting" that those transaction in a block are valid. If any of them is false, they lose their coins. The coins are at stake, this is why it is called Proof of Stake.

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September 10, 2020, 02:18:53 AM
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The first thing is important. The coin you want to make POS earnings from. Is he rewarding you to hold a coin? If so, fine. Some exchange coin stakes rewards for betting. Like  Binance and kucoin. These are very good.
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September 10, 2020, 02:46:18 AM
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so aside from transaction fees and rewards from newly mined blocks, are there any other methods to generate these earnings?
Are you ever hear about proof-of-person? this other methods where you can earn. but I don't know exactly works but when you running a node and open a wallet you can earning coin when the time of validation begins. you have to read this https://idena.io/#

and do you happen to know what are the methods used in the projects i mentioned in my original post please?
Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0?, you need a balance for staking and earning coin, this call it Proof of stake. If you try staking proof-of-person I have mentioned above, you don't need it.

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i've been doing a lot of reading about DeFi's lately, but i can't seem to wrap my head around rewards and where do they come from? at first i thought that rewards are given just like in proof of work coins, like btc so basically, if one stake a coin, he'll be getting rewards for helping the network, meaning from the blockrewards and transactions fees.

but i then came across some new coins like Swipe, which i'm confident that it does not generate that much in transaction fees, and yet the rewards are high? the coins in question are: Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0.

i would appreciate any explanation. thank you


I don't think you know how proof of work coins like bitcoin work.  You don't stake bitcoin you have to mine bitcoin with Asic machines and hope to hit a block (which you won't unless you are in a pool at this point), then share in the block rewards and tx fees.  You should take a look at all the algorithm, etc before you go any further before you lose money buying and selling something you don't know much about

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but i then came across some new coins like Swipe, which i'm confident that it does not generate that much in transaction fees, and yet the rewards are high?

Let me explain in simple terms. When it comes to rewards, POS is like POW but you just need to hold your coins in a wallet that can stake. In general, the rewards doesn't necessarily comes from transaction fees alone, rewards can also include new coins that is mined from staking and is added to the circulating supply. Though reward distribution method varies from different projects.

Difference between POW is and POS coins are huge.  POW ypu need hardware (miners/gpus/cpus) to generate new blocks.  If you happen to hit a block you get the block reqard and tx fees, with POS coins you stake coins in your wallet and get block rewards based on your weight compared to the entire network weight.

You are absolutely correct, with this explanation Sir, I definitely agreed about your statement regarding about
POW and POS, just all I know is that if ever you choose ETH to stake in, you need at least 32 ethereum for you to be able
to be part of their program in staking where that was a huge amount.

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I don't know if swipe rewards still high, but I suggest you choose tezos, cosmos, and ethereum 2.0.

If you have a Ledger wallet, you can stake that tokens in that wallet. But if you don't have, perhaps, you can try to stake at binance because I see that binance have those features besides the other coins. But I don't know how good to stake that coins at binance because I still learned it. If I can conclude that staking in binance is profitable in the long term, perhaps, I will try to stake at binance.

You need to search for more information before you decide so that you can minimize the risk and use the money that you can afford.

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the coins in question are: Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0.
Tezos is a good altcoin to stake and it's been on different exchanges and added that feature of staking for Tezos. Even ledger wallet which is one of the most known hardware wallet has also added the feature.
Ethereum 2.0 isn't yet there but soon it will.

I like XTZ as well I think they have done good so far , pos staking of that won't goove you better APR in compare to others but you know you are holding something won't hit parabolic candles and gives you some stroke!


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PoS and PoW are the old consensus types, now there are lots of new consensus, such as DPoPS, DPoW and others,
and PoS is a consensus made to solve the problem of PoW which consumes large electricity consumption,
with PoS you don't need electricity and big costs, because only holding a certain number of coins you will be rewarded with these coins, the amount of prizes depends on how much ROI applies, because every coin that uses PoS consensus has a different ROI ..

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the coins in question are: Tezos, matic network, cosmos, swipe and ethereum 2.0.
Tezos is a good altcoin to stake and it's been on different exchanges and added that feature of staking for Tezos. Even ledger wallet which is one of the most known hardware wallet has also added the feature.
Ethereum 2.0 isn't yet there but soon it will.

I like XTZ as well I think they have done good so far , pos staking of that won't goove you better APR in compare to others but you know you are holding something won't hit parabolic candles and gives you some stroke!
They are doing pretty good. It is like an underdog altcoin which isn't being talked about. But just look to its volume and ranking.
It's been staying there stably. This is like a balancer of someone's portfolio but still, all depends to the understanding and preference of the holder.



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not to be rude, but i honestly don't understand why most replies are off topic.

It is important to notice that staking is a service. Similar to mine, where you put your processing power at stake, betting that those transactions are valid. If the transactions are invalid, you just lost your processing power as your chain will not be accepted.
The same thing goes with pos, as owners are literaterally staking their coins and "betting" that those transaction in a block are valid. If any of them is false, they lose their coins. The coins are at stake, this is why it is called Proof of Stake.

thank you, I think you're the only one who actually read my post.

is it safe to assume that any coin listed on stakingrewards with a transaction fees slider is not generating rewards from nowhere?

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