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June 26, 2015, 05:39:20 AM
Last edit: June 26, 2015, 02:50:41 PM by HagbardCeline
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I personally would very much like to see the microscope back.  I really liked the old wallet, simple, clear, stylish and very obviously Unobtanium.

You're in luck my friend:

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Windows: https://23skidoo.info/Unobtanium-blueschist.zip
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I've finished putting the Vault back the way it should be, and the microscope returns! Now that I'm a bit more comfy with the QT5 design (not too much different), I'll start fiddling with some new design ideas based on some of the images in thread--slowly though, I'm not a graphic designer. Should have a Mac version next.

I've pushed a pull request to the main Un github, don't know how/when BW will merge it: https://github.com/unobtanium-official/Unobtanium/pull/22 In the meanwhile, just use mine at https://github.com/thegreatoldone/Unobtanium. I made a couple other small updates, replaced coinworks seednodes, removed 'Core' branding, updated some visual stuff, set coincontrol features to be on by default. May be a bit before I get back around to the 9th digit--most of the light groundwork I started on is gone in the 0.10x branch--but that's ok, I wasn't too far along with it quite yet and as someone mentioned above, it was only a placeholder for the moment.

Enjoy--I know I am getting back in to the swing of things. An upgrade to OFF is coming up next. Nice to see the Blazr2 coins featured at Cryptopia today--thanks! Also mad thanks to you all for the OFF Un tips (doh, it was late--though I am certainly up for Offerings). I do ever so appreciate every single one, though I must admit I may buy some Skidoo, Flax, and Offerings with them on Cryptopia ;-) Cheers to you all, a brilliant community!

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Awesome to see.
I too liked the simple and clear style.

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Glad to hear OFF tips carry tender for PRO dev work.  Blazr2 coins.  Support the cause.

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June 26, 2015, 12:25:09 PM
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Regarding 'giving coins to people'

I don't see any value in Faucets. Its giving coin to people who don't grow the community of benefit the value of the coin.

The time it takes for someone to receive a faucet coin of 5c or half a cent or whatever amount is not justifiable. If its less than a cup of coffee or a beer then what is the point.

Faucets are the equivalent of rich people throwing pennies at beggars. It's insulting, cheapens the coin and does nothing or at least very little for value (IMHO). The time of getting rich off faucet coin has come and gone and nobody with any coin history is seriously collecting faucet coin and we should treat our new users with some respect.

Combined with a marketing strategy or a promotional giveaway I'll concede the worth of a faucet (IBM's raining money was pretty awesome) but just throwing shrapnel at beggars isn't productivity, its not business, its just a gross display of personal wealth.

Lets not forget that not all beggars are poor either, some exploit the system just as some exploit faucets. Exploitation is rife within the coin communities on multiple levels through multiple means.

If we want to distribute coin without some kind of socialistic benevolent wonder outlet we need to do it through commercial productivity. We need to buy and sell services and products because trading can't be the end game. Trading is zero sum, and if we keep 'trading' at the expense of other avenues we will eventually only trade against each other. A big circle jerk of traders pretending to be rich with each others coin, commodity, currency or otherwise.

Trading is great, its where I make my pennies right now, but it is not a pittance of what the technology embodies. Why waste all that potential.

I do not advocate, nor have I ever engaged in faucets.  Your entire response had nothing to do with what I did discuss:  doing things instead of talking about things which you suggest somebody else should do.

I did a rain on /r/dogecoin where I educated, engaged and taught people about UNO and opened over 20 new well educated wallets.  I kept a record of those wallets and can see if they bought more.  I am too busy.

The other issue I addressed, and you ignored to discuss "Faucets" was all of the insistence on promoting what is essentially a monopolistic insider trading scheme, based on physical assets like precious metals, which have no basis for utility in an online world.

Then Sloppy came and verbally abused me.  You ignored my charges and talked about something else.  Are you in Politics?

Address the issues I brought up.  The "Guild" is an embarrassing low tech insider trading scheme against the law in most jurisdictions. You can not "back" crypto with metal, since you can't make me whole if you can't give me metal.  You and IMZ are spinning your wheels on something silly and insisting it be front and center on the unobtanium.uno page.

I propose all references to it be banished from that page, and I know for fact many others agree.  Do what you want, but insider trading is not part of the UNO branding.

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Address the issues I brought up.  The "Guild" is an embarrassing low tech insider trading scheme against the law in most jurisdictions. You can not "back" crypto with metal, since you can't make me whole if you can't give me metal.  You and IMZ are spinning your wheels on something silly and insisting it be front and center on the unobtanium.uno page.

I propose all references to it be banished from that page, and I know for fact many others agree.  Do what you want, but insider trading is not part of the UNO branding.

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You're making asumptions, nobody insisted (or even requested) anything. I put up information on the (then still called Un-Ex) Guild on my own, because I thought it was an interesting aspect to this community. Note I have never participated in Un-Ex, I just saw many core and long term members of this community start using it and thought it would make a good addition. I was/am actually a bit concerned about the placement on unobtnaium.uno being a bit too prominent for an "un-official" piece of content, but decided to keep it close to the exchange section, as it fits well there thematically.

If there are any concerns about that and/or the placement on the website in the community, please by all means lets discuss this (or send me a PM). So far not a single soul has mentioned something to me about this. Since you are obviously educated on the legalities regarding these matters, care to elaborate your concerns for a hobbyist with little trading/financial background?

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Address the issues I brought up.  The "Guild" is an embarrassing low tech insider trading scheme against the law in most jurisdictions. You can not "back" crypto with metal, since you can't make me whole if you can't give me metal.  You and IMZ are spinning your wheels on something silly and insisting it be front and center on the unobtanium.uno page.

I propose all references to it be banished from that page, and I know for fact many others agree.  Do what you want, but insider trading is not part of the UNO branding.

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You're making asumptions, nobody insisted (or even requested) anything. I put up information on the (then still called Un-Ex) Guild on my own, because I thought it was an interesting aspect to this community. Note I have never participated in Un-Ex, I just saw many core and long term members of this community start using it and thought it would make a good addition. I was/am actually a bit concerned about the placement on unobtnaium.uno being a bit too prominent for an "un-official" piece of content, but decided to keep it close to the exchange section, as it fits well there thematically.

If there are any concerns about that and/or the placement on the website in the community, please by all means lets discuss this (or send me a PM). So far not a single soul has mentioned something to me about this. Since you are obviously educated on the legalities regarding these matters, care to elaborate your concerns for a hobbyist with little trading/financial background?

I propose, quite vigorously, that it be removed, no blame upon you sir.

As to the illegality in proper markets of insider trading and exclusive "cliques" permitted to trade "off Floor" in a club atmosphere, where only certain "types" of people are permitted to benefit from the secret prices, I give you this exchange:



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It is outright fraud.

Community Announcement:

I have learned this week that participation in "UN-Ex" and it's "Trusted Trader" program relies not on your integrity, nor does it rely upon your financial solvency.

It simply relies on whether IMZ likes you or not.

And that is more than a flaw.

It is outright fraud.

Details?  PM me for copies of IMZ's communications with me.

You were bounced because you were not a fit, it was not IMZ's call.

As a community we chose not to take your money, not to include you in the process because fears you were or might become a fraud or a chaotic rogue element. We are protecting our reputations and the reputation of our community by rejecting you before you were in a position to damage it.

Your personality is chaotic, your behaviour unprofessional and your calling us out as "fraud" is validation of this. healthy communities require community involvement and solidarity not individual mavericks. There are plenty of communities that endorse and embrace that kind of behaviour, I try not to be part of them. We are real people, investing our lives and finances into a serious project. Should Un-Ex move to that kind of environment I would move on, as I expect would many. The personalities within the community are large and vocal but they share respect even over disagreements.

My reason was your vitriol, justified or not there is a way to communicate amongst peers that is mutually respectful, despite opposing ideologies and viewpoints.

At the end of the day it is our community and we have a right to manage and maintain it at our discretion.
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And how was I not "fit"?  I executed and had to wait 24 hours for IMZ to deliver.  Nice system.

So you simply don't like me.  You are running a private club.  You are not developing some sort of paradigm shattering trust system to facilitate trading.

You are just forming a private cartel to collude and manipulate prices (Coretanium).

You are raising funding and forming an organization to engage in "insider trading".

I showed you successful examples of exactly what you are trying to do (/r/Dogemarket)

Here is my reputation for over a year there:  http://www.reddit.com/r/dogemarket/comments/1tk8o8/official_verification_thread_ii/ceaxnco

I suggested that Uno itself could be an excellent escrow vehicle to manage trade insurance between members here.  This really pissed off IMZ, Because it is not convoluted enough.

Listen, I give no shits.  I do think that I will stick to trading on the exchange, where I Know nobody, nobody knows me, I am only as good as my money and I have never been robbed.

I see no real advantages to your whole project.  The deals on display here are generally higher than market prices, and this whole thing is you and IMZ trying to get some access and control over other people's coin.

Like me.  Dislike me.  Whatever.  But I will not have you two maniacs anywhere near my coin.  If you are doing what I charge, eventually when regulation comes to these markets, there's a joint cell reserved in the market manipulation wing of crypto prison for you and IMZ.
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Insider trading is against the Law in every juristiction with mature markets on earth.  Which is, despite being in Crypto land, where we trade.

"Un-Ex" is a cartel, designed to interfere with free market price discovery, including "liked" traders, excluding "disliked" traders.  It has nothing to do with solvency, execution or any other business considerations.

Un-ex exists for those who kiss IMZ and Ian Ridgewells asses.

I executed my one trade there immediately.  IMZ took 24 hours, leaving me sleepless in Saigon.

Then he tossed me because he doesn't like me.

Get "Un-Ex" the insider cartel off the OP to this thread, the official website, and any future publicity.

It is dirty, corrupt, and untoward.  Let them do that scummy shit in private.  But do not promote it.  Clean up this coin.

FM
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(Ever wonder why me and a few other people sign off "FM"?  It means "Fuck Mark" because he's weird and verbos about his weirdness.)
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Morning, Gecko!

The situation has come sharply in focus.

[I personally was equivocal. Wanted to present a bright face. The crack about ‘forest for the trees’ was injudicious.]

Even your presence on the Un-Ex thread looks likely to collapse the project. The opportunity to become a member of this trust-alliance is not open to you.

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Number 1 priority should be to preserve longevity at the first place. Those people that were supporting cryptos of the last wave are broken now and can't afford to support more clones while those who have the ability to see what is a really good opportunity and what not will not be broke and can continue to support good fairly distributed cryptos. Actually stupid capital flows towards intelligent capital.
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Some private comments about Un-EX from your thread mates, identifiers removed:  this is what some people besides me think of splashing Un-Ex all over the place:

Gekko, you really crack me up.  You also (apparently) cause a goddamn bunch of trouble!  Smiley  

But also, you are saying what I've been feeling for some time.  Yeah, yeah, Un-Ex, "Coretanium" (whatever that is) and all that -- it's probably a good thing, but it's also too much all over the goddamn place.  As you say, "Do it.  Knock yourself out."  But please don't throw it in our faces every 24/7.  Really, it's like a frikkin' infomercial.

I didn't want to say anything, and I don't want to say anything publicly.  I think IMZ is a very well-intentioned guy.  He's even got a real Emu bird named UNO (or something like that).  So you gotta give him that.  But I just can't take too much of this Un-Ex shit for ever and ever ad nauseum.

Anyway, please do keep stirring up the pot, tastefully -- as you always do.  It really keeps thing interesting.  Oh, and this one is a jewel ...

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Neither Mark Twain nor Winston Churchill (the latter who was often both extremely drunk AND a dick) could maybe (possibly) hold a candle to you, well, at least when it comes to crypto currencies...

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Lady Astor: "Why don't you come sober, Prime Minister?"

Lady Astor to Churchill: "If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea,"
Curchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I'd drink it!"

Lady Astor to Churchill: "Winston, you are drunk."
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Hey there,
 curious of the interactions you had with imz, I have concerns of him being the godfather of un ex in the background and denouncing ownership in the public eye


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And my comment from last night?  Yet another of your thread mates said this:

Very well said.

I do like you (or at least your online persona), good grief there's some dreamers on the UNO thread.


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Point is, get all the cartel insider trading crap out of the Marketing material.

I will sit Back and see how this works out. If it doesn't work out the way I want, raise BTC to buy me out at 15.  Because I will put 2200 kilos there on Cryptsy in 72 hours and leave it to rot or be bought.  You have 3 days from now.

Now, I am on radio silence for 72 hours. Timer set. Joker costume pressed and ready. (The Nurse one, with the Heath Ledger make-up).

Edit:  sorry, 2200 Uno's.  Found some behind the couch.  Doubt me?  I will start flashing them at 25 tomorrow.
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Welcome, Oniromancia! ‘Dream interpreter’? Cool!

“I was/am actually a bit concerned about the placement on unobtnaium.uno being a bit too prominent for an "un-official" piece of content”

Hey, Learminer. I agree with you. Shouldn’t be ‘official.’

“I executed and had to wait 24 hours for IMZ to deliver.”
Really?

“This really pissed off IMZ . . . “
Really? Did I reply angrily or abusively?

“The deals on display here are generally higher than market prices . . . “
Really? If any coiner here has ever paid 'higher prices' on Un-Ex, now is the time to say so. If anyone has ever scored discount Uno, now is the time to say so.

‘the secret prices”
So, the ‘secret prices’ are ‘generally higher than the market prices’? Dang! I’m a genius.

“this whole thing is you and IMZ trying to get some access and control over other people's coin.”
So, Person A sells some coin to Person B on an otc exchange. And I am controlling other people’s coin how?

“But I just can't take too much of this Un-Ex shit for ever and ever ad nauseum.”
That was a good while ago, perhaps back late last year, when spirits and prices were low. I apologise. But check the last forty or fifty pages. Are there still ad nauseum mentions?

“I have concerns of him being the godfather of un ex in the background and denouncing ownership in the public eye”
There is no ‘ownership'! The point of the experiment is that coiners pool resources.

“You and IMZ are . . . insisting it be front and center on the unobtanium.uno page.”
Reference?

“The "Guild" is an embarrassing low tech insider trading scam . . . “

For the record, its membership  includes Falling Knife, BlazR, Arkh, Baars, Balu2, Big Time Spaghetti (one of our merchants), Bitcoin Charlie, Bitcoin National, Edgar, Guyinanutshell, Blue Man, Sabretooth, SgtMoth, Shinohai, Tacktic, Vector, Wickedsick, Zelig, cragv (one of our merchants), Sirsmokesalotta, and Gustav.

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June 26, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
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I personally would very much like to see the microscope back.  I really liked the old wallet, simple, clear, stylish and very obviously Unobtanium.

You're in luck my friend:



https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/56c39a4f9318bddba9a3f848907048049040a696a08de22dacc2684b529dcab2/analysis/1435296868/

Windows: https://23skidoo.info/Unobtanium-blueschist.zip
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I've finished putting the Vault back the way it should be, and the microscope returns! Now that I'm a bit more comfy with the QT5 design (not too much different), I'll start fiddling with some new design ideas based on some of the images in thread--slowly though, I'm not a graphic designer. Should have a Mac version next.

I've pushed a pull request to the main Un github, don't know how/when BW will merge it: https://github.com/unobtanium-official/Unobtanium/pull/22 In the meanwhile, just use mine at https://github.com/thegreatoldone/Unobtanium. I made a couple other small updates, replaced coinworks seednodes, removed 'Core' branding, updated some visual stuff, set coincontrol features to be on by default. May be a bit before I get back around to the 9th digit--most of the light groundwork I started on is gone in the 0.10x branch--but that's ok, I wasn't too far along with it quite yet and as someone mentioned above, it was only a placeholder for the moment.

Enjoy--I know I am getting back in to the swing of things. An upgrade to OFF is coming up next. Nice to see the Blazr2 coins featured at Cryptopia today--thanks! Also mad thanks to you all for the OFF Un tips (doh, it was late--though I am certainly up for Offerings). I do ever so appreciate every single one, though I must admit I may buy some Skidoo, Flax, and Offerings with them on Cryptopia ;-) Cheers to you all, a brilliant community!

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HagbardCeline, thanks for the update!

I am now running the "Blueschist" wallet. It looks great and runs fine.

I'll be updating Unobtanium.uno this weekend making this the new default wallet.



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June 26, 2015, 09:16:59 PM
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Point is, get all the cartel insider trading crap out of the Marketing material.

I will sit Back and see how this works out. If it doesn't work out the way I want, raise BTC to buy me out at 15.  Because I will put 2200 kilos there on Cryptsy in 72 hours and leave it to rot or be bought.  You have 3 days from now.

Now, I am on radio silence for 72 hours. Timer set. Joker costume pressed and ready. (The Nurse one, with the Heath Ledger make-up).

Edit:  sorry, 2200 Uno's.  Found some behind the couch.  Doubt me?  I will start flashing them at 25 tomorrow.
Hello "chaotic rogue element" - fulfilled any other prophecies lately?

Listen, I am generally a reasonable person I think my history here proves that. No idea why you suddenly feel the need to lash out. Personally I've had a long week, I'm not going to lift a finger for the next 72 hours. I'm going to sleep long, play with the kids, eat some BBQ and enjoy my weekend.

I suggest you do the same (or whatever you do to relax). You've raised your concerns, no need to turn this into a drama.

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Last edit: June 26, 2015, 10:15:35 PM by sirsmokesalot
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Lol Ho Lee Shit. We made it over a year without any real flame war taking place. It is sorta what made Uno's thread stand out from a lot of the rest of them. I know i don't get along with everyone all the time, no one should get along with everyone all the time. How fuckin boring would that be?

Obviously feelings were hurt, otherwise there would be no resentment or any grudge about what has transpired. Emotions sorta make things real, if you never get feeling involved it is much easier to detach from things. Claiming you don't care about this or that, but harboring resentment or some type of grudge, perhaps it is the subconscious or something that is deeper in there, uncontrollable? Who knows.

It sucks to see valuable assets to the community creating more obstacles to overcome.

Really, the Guild should have a link at the bottom under the "more unobtanium" section as the guild doesn't make Uno, Uno makes the guild. Or so would members of the Uno community like to think, we are all Unonians first, then we can break it down. Kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species. Kingdom of Un lol

I think the guild has good intentions, i think they seek to try to stabilize the market in some way. Call it what you will. The fact that it isn't mandatory is what ever. I see where the issue arises then as to why there is such mention of the guild on the website if it is a selective and unofficial thing. I am sure those issues will be rectified in a manner that satisfies everyone. General things like shout outs and what people do, yeah it is cool and all, but that leads to hurt feelings. Egos are frail, the weakest part of being human. Not to diminish what anyone is doing, but that is sorta what happens with stuff like that. Asian invasion manager - Gekko then a paragraph about what a nut he is. I personally think it should be just the devs there, not that falling knife doesn't deserve his spot, but at least if it was devs only, feelings would be less hurt as the reason why would be, because you aren't a dev, that is why you don't go on the main page. Otherwise i see little things coming up like "well my project did better, why am i not on the site?" people get so caught up with that stuff. I would love to see the original blue color on the site too, instead of the little yellow un periodic table thing.

It would have been much more compelling to see an argument along the lines of "why the guild should be removed from the main site" instead of what ever happened here. There would then at least be a solution.

Point is, get all the cartel insider trading crap out of the Marketing material.

I will sit Back and see how this works out. If it doesn't work out the way I want, raise BTC to buy me out at 15.  Because I will put 2200 kilos there on Cryptsy in 72 hours and leave it to rot or be bought.  You have 3 days from now.

Now, I am on radio silence for 72 hours. Timer set. Joker costume pressed and ready. (The Nurse one, with the Heath Ledger make-up).

Edit:  sorry, 2200 Uno's.  Found some behind the couch.  Doubt me?  I will start flashing them at 25 tomorrow.

Lol, Or else! If you guys don't do as i say i am going to go Radical Islamist and start choppin heads! Was this irony intentional, that you make mention of a cartel, then act like a cartel with the threats?  

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June 26, 2015, 10:50:15 PM
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I would love to see the original blue color on the site too, instead of the little yellow un periodic table thing.
I get it. There will be a redesign of the site at some point, don't worry. Will take a little time though...

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June 26, 2015, 10:54:36 PM
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No shortage of drama for sure but soon China and the biebercoin market will be UNO's salvation.  Roll Eyes


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June 26, 2015, 10:56:23 PM
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I would love to see the original blue color on the site too, instead of the little yellow un periodic table thing.
I get it. There will be a redesign of the site at some point, don't worry. Will take a little time though...
No rush, the yellow reminds me of warning or caution sign i suppose. I am trying to think about why it doesn't feel right to me and that is the best i can come up with. Ya know when ya see something though, and it just isn't it? That is how i feel about the yellow. Small beans in the grand scheme but the effort is appreciated Smiley

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